posted 16 September 2005 03:31 PM            

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This block came from a structure belonging to Ramses II at Memphis. He stands in the heroic pose holding an axe in one hand and grasping the tufts of three prisoners in another. They are: a Nubian, a Libyan and a Syrian. The last two beg for mercy, illustrating the only artistic liberty allowed in this strict iconography.

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sources:

http://www.egyptianmuseum.gov.eg/details.asp?which2=703

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/enemies.htm

posted 16 September 2005 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
I could never seen Tuaregs intermarrying with local females to pass the lineage since they are matrilineal people.

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Ausar's observation is directly supported by Sforza's genetic evidence.

Genetic distance between West African Tuareg and East African Beja: 135.

Between Beja and other West Africans: 500
Between Tuareg and other West Africans: 472

Note Cforza study is of Autosomal data, not Y chromosome lineages.

Semino [2004] found E3b2@30% among the Taureg in Mali, and in Nubia [Egypt], Sudan and Ethiopia [Underhill] as reported here by Dr. Keita.

Taureg most closely related to:
a) Beja 135
b) Sudanese 240
c) Amhara 278
d) Tigri 320
e) Cushitic 352

posted 17 September 2005 07:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
The original East African Berber were Black. [...] Touareg are Berber.

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Incorrect. Black Tuaregs are not true Berbers. They only have ~15% East African E3b. ~65% of their Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan E(xE3b), and their mtDNA is ~80% sub-Saharan as well. The real Berbers, who have high levels of E3b and no Negroid mtDNA, are fully Caucasoid.

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Produce indigenous whites of East Africa.

We're waiting.

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They're right here, no-answer nigger.

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What's funny about this graph from Sforza is that it was originally designed to show clear genetic distinctions between North/East/West Africans.

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posted 17 September 2005 08:28 AM            

from what i read, the white related characters cannot survive in the regions where the sun is burning and where there are diffirent peoples.

posted 17 September 2005 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Mazigh:
i read that the twareg of mali are considered to be fair-skinned, and even the twareg's region is sometime refered as "white mali" too.

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The Fulani are also sometimes referred to as 'whites' of Nigeria as well.

And yes, you can find lighter skinnned Taureg.

You can also find darker NorthWestern Berber in Morroco, and Tunesia:

You can even find darker features, curly hair and an Afro European appearance among the generally pale Kabyle, if you look hard enough

Kabyle Berber.

However, the picture show will not change any point of substance in our discussion.

The topic/article cited remains accurate and unrefuted on any point of fact.

Your statement: there are no Black Berber is falsified and cannot be redeemed by scouring the .net for pictures of lighter skinned Berber.

posted 17 September 2005 09:11 AM            

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Ausar wrote: The Tuaregs did not intermarry with local Western African females because they are matriarchical;thus I could never seen Tuaregs intermarrying with local females to pass the lineage since they are matrilineal people.

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Ausar, your statement is specifically supported by the following:

Genetic distance, per Luca Sforza's study of autosomes:

West African Taureg to East African Beja 135
Tuareg to other West Africans 472
East African Beja to other West Africans 500

Based on Sforza's data, Taureg are not substantially intermixed with other West Africans...if they were they could be much closer to West Africans than the Beja. But they are not.

Also Semino [2004] found E3b2 [the main Berber Y lineage] at 30% among Taureg of Mali, and Underhill, Cruciani et. al found E3b2 in Sudan and Ethiopia as well, and posit a possible Ethiopian/Sudan origin for the lineage, which would be consistent with the linguistic data.

posted 17 September 2005 09:45 AM            

the picture:

quetion: if the twaregs aren't mixed why can we find dark brown twareg, and light brow one ?

posted 17 September 2005 09:54 AM            

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this following picture is undesputed black, and it can convince me of the existence of the balck berbers, but, you have to prove it is typic berbers

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No, I only need to show that Black Berber as referenced in the topic article, exist.

Which, of course, I've done.

Toureg.

posted 17 September 2005 11:00 AM            

i don't have to prove that the berbers aren't black, you are the one who have to prove that the early berbers were black, and that those dark brown skinned berbers are unmixed.

posted 17 September 2005 11:27 AM            

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i don't have to prove that the berbers aren't black

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Again, you can't even quote yourself correctly.

You falsely stated that "there are no black Berber". Perhaps you misquote yourself because you know your claim is utterly silly and indefensible?

If you can't prove it, then there is nothing to discuss.

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may be she belongs to the berbers, but she is surely not typic for the berber

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If you mean that the Black Berber of Tunesia, and Morocco, and Mali, and Algeria and Niger and Egypt don't match your preferred stereo-TYPE of Berber....well, of course they don't.

But that's because your view of Berber is mythological, and sadly, racist.

There are Black Berber.

No modern scholar denies such an obvious fact.

Your racial hang-ups are your problem.

We can't help you with that.

Sorry.

posted 17 September 2005 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by walklikeanegyptian:
isn't there a type Berber called the Haratin (that lives mostly in Morocco, Algeria, and Mauritania) and they are mostly black?

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posted 17 September 2005 05:03 PM            

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Ausar wrote:
Speakers of Amazight go back 7000 years. They are the Imazigen
of Ta Mazgha (Berbers of North Afrika). Amazight is an Afrikan
language of the Afro-Asian group. The Afro-Asiatic linguistic
phylum developed somewhere between the south-eastern Sahara and
the Horn and began splitting at least 8000 years ago.

Branches and probable date of split:
Kushitic - 8th millenium BCE
Egyptian - before the 7th millenium BCE
Omotic - 7th millenium BCE
Hausa - 7th millenium BCE
Semitic - 6th or 5th millenia BCE
Amazigh - 6th or 5th millenia BCE
(I. M. Diakonoff, Afrasian Languages, Moscow 1988)

Herodotus described Libyans as indigenees of Afrika. Egyptian
records list Libyans or Lebou of two types, the Tehenou and the
Temehou (people created light/white skinned). This is simply
recognizing that there was no uniform phenotype in ancient
Tamazgha.

It is not saying there was only one phenotype among the Lebou.

Tehenou and Tamahou were not the same ethnic type. The first Lebou people that the Egyptians refered to were the Tehenou.
In color paintings they are dark brown.

They were the local blacks of Libya. They were not Nilotics nor Bantu nor Sudanese.
They were a local Libyan ethnic group. (G. Moller, Die Aegypten
und ihre libyschen Nachbaren, ZDMG, Liepzig 1924 pg 78.)

Oric Bates who wrote on the Eastern Libyans records Afrikoid
features. He says that before 12th dynasty Egyptians colored
Tehenou dark brown. The Eastern Libyans, London 1914, pp 43-45.

C. M. Daniels makes a similar report in The Garamantes of
Southern Libya, Wisconsin 1970, pg 27.

Later in time the Tamahou begin to appear in Egyptian paintings.
They are creamy colored often with light hair and eyes. This
is the type that absorbed and replaced the Tehenou.
(W. Holscher, Libyer und Agypter Beitrage zur Ethnologie und
Geschichte Libyscher Volkerschaften, AFU 5, Gluckstadt 1955)

Surely it is an injustice to the resurgance of Amazigh (Berber)
self-determination to deny this aspect of the ethno-history
of Tamazgha by writing the Tehenou out of history or denying
that they were dark and they were the first Libyan Imazighen.

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posted 17 September 2005 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by walklikeanegyptian:
isn't there a type Berber called the Haratin (that lives mostly in Morocco, Algeria, and Mauritania) and they are mostly black?

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but the answer is: no, because those people aren't of berber origin, they adapted "the berber language" => berberised.

i don't know if all of them were slaves, but i know they aren't of berber origin.

posted 17 September 2005 05:30 PM            

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Haratin: they adapted "the berber language" => berberised.

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And their 'original' language would have been?

Berber is derived from the Roman term for barbarians. Berbers are non-Arabic tribes. Throughout the centuries Berbers have mixed with many ethnic groups, mostly Arabs. Because of this, Berbers have come to be identified by linguistics instead of racial basis. The Berber language has 300 closely related dialects. A number of tribes have their own distinct language. Some of the largest Berber tribes are Rif, Kabyle, Shawia, Tuareg, HARATIN, Shluh, and Beraber.

Almost all Berber groups include some form of non-berber speaking ancestry - west european, arab. etc.. So that is not a basis for disqualifying them as Berber.

Disqualifying the Haratin from Berber language group due to their skin color is simple racism.

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Ausar wrote:
The Berbers[Imazgihen] are not a homogenous people. Contrary to your belief about them they range from southern European looking to black looking like the Haratin in southern Morocco. Haratin are not black slaves that became enslaved by the Berbers[Imaazghen] but are actually indigenous Saharan people that became assimilated into the Tuareg caste system.

Most so-called ''black'' slaves brought into Magreb were mostly around the city areas,and most often came as eunchs. This means they couldn't really produce that much offspring.

Much more white slaves were brought into Northern Africa than black slaves because the white slaves were much more desired for concubinage than was black slaves. [Sorry to get racial here but I am only repeating what I read in Arabic writings.]

There is a book etitled The Berbers by Michael Brett and Elizabeth Fentress that I recommend everybody go out and read. It seems according to this book that the coastal regions of Magreb[meaning areas like Tunisa and Morocco] had close contact with Southern Europeans and Iberians. This culture is commonly called the Ibero-Maurasian complex. Other cultures that exist in later periods were the Metcha-Aflou-Arbi and Capsian.

Most anthropologist have placed the Metcha-Aflou into every category from Khoisanoid to Cro-Magnoid. The Capsians have often been called a mixed ''caucasoid'' and ''negriod'' culture.

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posted 17 September 2005 05:47 PM            

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Mazig wrote: ausar said they are indegenous saharan people, but he didn't say they are of berber origin.

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Again what would their "original" language have been?

Who would they have gotten Berber from - the Taureg?

Why would they be any less Berber than NW Africans who have Arab and West European ancestry including from white slaves of Europe and from speakers of non Berber language?

It is clear that you apply a racist double-standard for Black Berber, in order to ramp up your myth of a "berber race", which has no basis in modern scholarship.

As for what "Ausar said", I notice you have no response to...

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Ausar posted: The first Lebou people that the Egyptians refered to were the Tehenou. They were the local blacks of Libya. They were not Nilotics nor Bantu nor Sudanese. They were a local Libyan ethnic group. (G. Moller, Die Aegypten
und ihre libyschen Nachbaren, ZDMG, Liepzig 1924 pg 78.)

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posted 17 September 2005 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Mazigh:
after your edition:
there also are some berber speakings who aren't black, but they are considered as berberized tribes.

that source is just silly.

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Nope, it accurately reflects the reality of modern scholarship that Berber are a multiethnic language group - not a race.

It's your mythologising of Berber into a race, that is silly, and so uniformly rejected by modern scholarship.

posted 17 September 2005 07:08 PM            

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They're right here, no-answer nigger.

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ROTFLMAO Sorry, dumb-mutt but I think the only place where indigenous East African whites exist is in within the realm of your ridiculously pathetic imagination!!

posted 17 September 2005 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by tdogg:
Who's Who? Looks like a Libyan without fair-skin. How could this be, I thought Libyans were always fair-skinned.

[QUOTE]
This block came from a structure belonging to Ramses II at Memphis. He stands in the heroic pose holding an axe in one hand and grasping the tufts of three prisoners in another. They are: a Nubian, a Libyan and a Syrian. The last two beg for mercy, illustrating the only artistic liberty allowed in this strict iconography.

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[This message has been edited by tdogg (edited 17 September 2005).][/QUOTE]

Mazigh? Any idea why the Egyptians depicted this Libyan as brown skinned instead of fair? OR, is that brown skinned person Syrian?

posted 18 September 2005 05:32 AM            

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Originally posted by tdogg:
[B] Mazigh? Any idea why the Egyptians depicted this Libyan as brown skinned instead of fair? OR, is that brown skinned person Syrian?

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that picture schow brown people as far as i see, there is one black man who is most probably of nubian origin.

posted 18 September 2005 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
Based on Sforza's data, Taureg are not substantially intermixed with other West Africans...if they were they could be much closer to West Africans than the Beja. But they are not.

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Wrong, you clueless monkey. In Cavalli-Sforza's chart, Tuaregs are equidistant from West Africans and North Africans, indicating that overall they're about a 50/50 mix. Of course, those from Burkina Faso would be more West African, and those from Algeria more North African.

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Why would they be any less Berber than NW Africans who have Arab and West European ancestry including from white slaves of Europe and from speakers of non Berber language?

It is clear that you apply a racist double-standard for Black Berber, in order to ramp up your myth of a "berber race", which has no basis in modern scholarship.

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Nope. No double standard. If we rate "Berberness" according to the frequency of North African-specific haplogroup E-M81, then the white Berbers are objectively more Berber than the black ones.

Substantially Berber:

Middle Atlas - 71%
Kabyle - 48%

Marginally Berber:

Tuareg (Mali) - 30%

Essentially non-Berber:

posted 18 September 2005 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Mazigh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tdogg:
[B] Mazigh? Any idea why the Egyptians depicted this Libyan as brown skinned instead of fair? OR, is that brown skinned person Syrian?

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[This message has been edited by Mazigh (edited 18 September 2005).][/QUOTE]

LOL, all you've been spouting about is fair-skinned Libyans and how this proves Berbers are of "White" origins, not so-called “Black” African. Okay, so now they are a brown people. LOL

Anyway.

posted 18 September 2005 11:20 AM            

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EuroIdiot types: In Cavalli-Sforza's chart, Tuaregs are equidistant from West Africans and North Africans, indicating that overall they're about a 50/50 mix

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Of course that's ridiculous as is everything that comes out of your stinky-stupid mouth.

What Sforza concludes is that Tuareg and Beja share a common East African origin 5000 years ago.

Said relationship is direct, and not a product of mixtures of North African and West Africans.

Cforza concludes this because the 135 genetic distance between the Beja and Tuareg - far closer than either group is to any West or North African group, cannot be acheived by combinations of DNA from other, more remote groups. Such admixtures would only increase the genetic distance between the Beja/Tuareg.

Charlie Bass is right about you, you should give up trying to discuss genetics as you are both too stupid to understand, and lack the inclination to understand even if you weren't so stupid.

Stick to your Y chromosome carrying mail-order brides from BestofAsia.

It's at your idiot troll level, and...at least that had comedy value.

posted 18 September 2005 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Mazigh:

i said that the egyptians and the tehenu had one color "brown", maybe, the tehenu are something lighter in comparing with the egyptians. other libyan tribes like as the tamahou and the libou are much fairer. some scholars believe the egyptians and the libyans are of one origin, and they originate from a saharan region where the berber language was spoeken and still be spoken.

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So this "brown" Egyptian is different from what we consider 'black' in the West?

posted 19 September 2005 06:47 AM            

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Djehuti writes:
To Rasols suggestion of producing indigenous whites of East Africa, Stupid Euro replies:They're right here

ROTFLMAO Sorry, dumb-mutt but I think the only place where indigenous East African whites exist is in within the realm of your ridiculously pathetic imagination!!

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Indeed. So, let's move on to the next daily distorion from dumb Euro......

posted 19 September 2005 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
What Sforza concludes is that Tuareg and Beja share a common East African origin 5000 years ago.

Said relationship is direct, and not a product of mixtures of North African and West Africans.

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Of course it's a product of mixture, you dumb, dense nigger. We've already established that Tuaregs are a mix of North African E3b and West African E(xE3b) plus up to 80% sub-Saharan mtDNA, and Cavalli-Sforza's data shows that this hybrid state exists across the entire Sahara Desert:

"The map of the first principal component in Africa shows a sharp north to south gradient (p. 191). The contour lines are closer together in the Sahara. A quick glance shows that Africa can be divided into a North African area where live peoples traditionally called Caucasoids, and sub-Saharan Africa where live peoples traditionally called Negroids (the 2 southernmost zones pick up most of sub-Saharan Africa). The map shows a zone in the Sahara where the gene frequencies are intermediate."

posted 19 September 2005 10:16 AM            

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DumbEuro in denial writes:
Of course it's a product of mixture

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No, the 135 genetic distance between the Tuareg and Beja is a product of a common origin between the two, according to Cavelli Sforza, and **not** to mixtures with others, who are less related. [a genetic imposibility]

Seeing as it took a week of bashing your Neanderthal skull in to get you to accept the fact that women don't carry Y chromosome, you likely have little hope of ever understanding the above.

You're a useless labrat.....

posted 20 September 2005 07:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Retarded Ape:
No, the 135 genetic distance between the Tuareg and Beja is a product of a common origin between the two, according to Cavelli Sforza, and **not** to mixtures with others, who are less related. [a genetic imposibility]

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The Tuareg are mixed. This is not debatable. It's an established fact that they have both North African and Sub-Saharan ancestry. If they're genetically close to the Beja, then that means the Beja are also mixed, which is consistent with Cavalli-Sforza's data on the genetically intermediate status of Saharans.

You're living proof of why black IQ is 1 to 2 standard deviations below that of whites.

quote:

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Seeing as it took a week of bashing your Neanderthal skull in to get you to accept the fact that women don't carry Y chromosome, you likely have little hope of ever understanding the above.

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posted 20 September 2005 07:28 AM            

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EuroJibberish writes: The Tuareg are mixed.

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___________________________________________

Seeking vindication for your Erroneous' statements? Including:

* Lemba Bantu group genetically with caucasoids

* 100% E3b carrying mail order fillipina's from Best of Asia?

* Your prehistoric whites of East Africa?

* Your Australian Lesbian Somali.

* CL Brace devastating rejection of your distortions?

Go here.

But be warned - Seek vindication, find humiliation:

Lying rat, Erroneous E.

posted 21 September 2005 06:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
What Sforza concluded is that the Tuareg are genetically East African and have a common East African origin with the Beja.

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No. He doesn't say anything about "genetically East African". He hypothesizes that the Tuareg migrated from the eastern Sahara and may be related to the Beja, but he's clear that Saharan people (who include both of those groups) are genetically intermediate between North African Caucasoids and Sub-Saharan Negroids.

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Seeking vindication for your Erroneous' statements? Including:

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So in other words, you can't find a quote where I ever claimed that women carry Y-chromosomes, and you're thus reduced to posting a series of other straw men not related to any of the issues being discussed.

posted 21 September 2005 06:44 AM            

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EuroLoser writes: He hypothesizes that the Tuareg migrated from the eastern Sahara

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Per Sforza, The Taureg have a "Common origin" in East Africa with the Beja.

quote:

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Backtracking Euro writes: and may be related to the Beja.

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Lying Euro writes: in other words...

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Seeking vindication for your Erroneous' statements? Go here.

But be warned - Seek vindication, find humiliation:

Lying rat, Erroneous E.

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posted 21 September 2005 03:55 PM            

Brandon: Evil Euro is southern European. Several years ago genetics revealed that southern Europeans actually have Black African ancestry.

This has led to a small group of neurotic Southern Europeans waging a pseudoscientific jihad meant to remove the stain of Black African ancestry from Europe.

Much, though not all of this ancestry is East African.

So...they need East Africa to somehow become "non Black" in order that southern Europe can be "pure white".

Their anger and racism results because their 'cause' is utterly hopless, best they can do therefore is to exploit the uninformed or try and bait you by making you as angry as they are.

Our approach is to ignore their racist antics and use them to educate instead.

To wit- one of the oldest Y chromosome lineages found in Northern Africa, still today among the Tuareg is E1.

Goncalves et al
2005

"The prescence in Portugal of both the A and E1 haplogroups may be independent from the slave trade (otherwise E3a would be well represented since it comprises the majority of West African lineages).

These findings either suggest a pre-neolithic migration from North Africa or a more recent origin from a founder population of small size that did not carry haplogroup E3a, which is a major component in North African populations today.

TMRCA for Portuguese E1 lineages estimated as 22.9 +/- 7.2 ky favors the first scenario..."

posted 21 September 2005 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Osirion, the above is a good example of what I mean about falling into mud-trap of a distortionist, even a 3rd rate one like Evil Euro.

Brandon: Evil Euro is southern European. Several years ago genetics revealed that southern Europeans actually have Black African ancestry.

This has led to a small group of neurotic Southern Europeans waging a pseudoscientific jihad meant to remove the stain of Black African ancestry from Europe.

Much, though not all of this ancestry is East African.

So...they need East Africa to somehow become "non Black" in order that southern Europe can be "pure white".

Their anger and racism results because their 'cause' is utterly hopless, best they can do therefore is to exploit the uninformed or try and bait you by making you as angry as they are.

Our approach is to ignore their racist antics and [b]use them to educate instead.

To wit- one of the oldest Y chromosome lineages found in Northern Africa, still today among the Tuareg is E1.

Goncalves et al
2005

"The prescence in Portugal of both the A and E1 haplogroups may be independent from the slave trade (otherwise E3a would be well represented since it comprises the majority of West African lineages).

These findings either suggest a pre-neolithic migration from North Africa or a more recent origin from a founder population of small size that did not carry haplogroup E3a, which is a major component in North African populations today.

TMRCA for Portuguese E1 lineages estimated as 22.9 +/- 7.2 ky favors the first scenario..."
[/B]

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posted 21 September 2005 04:12 PM            

"The prescence in Portugal of both the A and E1 haplogroups may be independent from the slave trade (otherwise E3a would be well represented since it comprises the majority of West African lineages).

These findings either suggest a pre-neolithic migration from North Africa or a more recent origin from a founder population of small size that did not carry haplogroup E3a, which is a major component in North African populations today.

TMRCA for Portuguese E1 lineages estimated as 22.9 +/- 7.2 ky favors the first scenario..."

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Which is why either way you look at it, Stupid-Euro is f****d!

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lol...exactly.

posted 21 September 2005 05:26 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by rasol:

Our approach is to ignore their racist antics and use them to educate instead.

[This message has been edited by rasol (edited 21 September 2005).][/B]

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posted 22 September 2005 06:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
Per Sforza, The Taureg have a "Common origin" in East Africa with the Beja.

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I couldn't care less if they have a common origin, fool. That wouldn't change the fact that both groups are a mixture of North African Caucasoids and Sub-Saharan Negroids, and not "genetically East African" as you claim. Cavalli-Sfroza never said any such thing.

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Several years ago genetics revealed that southern Europeans actually have Black African ancestry.

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And then you woke up from your wet dream and realized that you're nothing but a low-IQ Negro from West Africa whose slave/savage ancestors had nothing to do with Egypt, Nubia, Greece or any other civilization.

quote:

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Which is why either way you look at it, Stupid-Euro is f****d!

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Frequency of A and E1 in Portugal is 8/553 = 1.4%

posted 22 September 2005 07:16 AM            

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Cavelli Sforza: The Taureg have a "Common origin" in East Africa with the Beja.

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Erroneous whines: I couldn't care less if they have a common origin

translation: you can't refute it, in which case; shut your childish whining about it.

More whining from Euroloser: Cavalli-Sforza never said any such thing.

Yes he did.

Sforza's genetic East Africans: Tuareg; Beja; Sudanese; Amhara; Cushitic; Tigri
The 3 groupings show genetic distance between East Africans, including the Tuareg.

Genetic distances:

Tuareg ->Beja 135
Tuareg ->Sudanese 240
Tuareg ->Amhara 278
Tuareg ->Tigri 320
Tuareg -> Cushitic 352

You can't refute, so you cry. But crying won't help you. Sorry.

posted 23 September 2005 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
translation: you can't refute it, in which case; shut your childish whining about it.

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Translation: You're a drowning fool. Why would I try to refute something that's an obvious straw man and that I don't even dispute or care about?

quote:

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Yes he did.

Sforza's genetic East Africans: Tuareg; Beja; Sudanese; Amhara; Cushitic; Tigri
The 3 groupings show genetic distance between East Africans, including the Tuareg.

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posted 23 September 2005 10:49 AM            

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Rasol writes: translation: you can't refute it, in which case; shut your childish whining about it.

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quote:

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RejectedEuro writes: Why would I try to refute something that I don't even dispute or care about?

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Indeed, why would you?

Ask **yourself** that while pounding out your next stupid irrelevant reply, you desparate loser.

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EuroDenial writes: Show me where he says that the Tuareg and Beja are "genetically East African"

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Show **us** that you can understand a simple sentence you Neanderthal nitwit:

The chart shows:
genetic distance between East Africans, INCLUDING THE TUAREG. with whom the they share a common origin - Luca Sforza.

As predicted, based on your previous 100% Y chromosome bearing mail order bride fiasco, it takes weeks to pound the most basic facts into your numb-skull.

Don't worry we're patient with your euro-denial. We'll just keep bashing your head in until some knowledge gets thru that bumpy Neanderthal dome of yours.

posted 24 September 2005 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
The chart shows:
genetic distance between East Africans, INCLUDING THE TUAREG. with whom the they share a common origin - Luca Sforza.

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Reading Comprehension for Niggers 101:

"East African" does not equal "genetically East African". All Cavalli-Sforza says is that the Tuareg and Beja are related and come from eastern Africa. The passage you're referencing does not address the issue of their ancestral make-up.

That's dealt with elsewhere:

"The map of the first principal component in Africa shows a sharp north to south gradient (p. 191). The contour lines are closer together in the Sahara. A quick glance shows that Africa can be divided into a North African area where live peoples traditionally called Caucasoids, and sub-Saharan Africa where live peoples traditionally called Negroids (the 2 southernmost zones pick up most of sub-Saharan Africa). The map shows a zone in the Sahara where the gene frequencies are intermediate."

Hence,

Tuareg and Beja = North African + Sub-Saharan African

posted 24 September 2005 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by EvadingEuro:
"East African" does not equal "genetically East African".

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In a population genetics study that's exactly what it means your moron.

Biology 101 for a Neanderthal cave-dweller:

In autosomal population genetics, you identify a population's genetic identity by allele data, plus coalescence data.

The Tuareg are so defined precisely by Cavelli Sforza, as a genetically East African population.

Not our problem, you're too stupid to understand genetics, and too dishonest to admit understanding a simple sentense.

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Run-Elsewhere-Euro: That's dealt with elsewhere:

The map of the first principal component in Africa shows a sharp north to south gradient (p. 191)."

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Sorry no, your "elsewhere" is off-topic - a quote from Ed Miller, not from Sforza and says nothing about Beja or Tuareg. How pathetic you are when defeated and reduced to desparate off-point jibberish with no bearing on the stated facts....

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The chart shows:
genetic distance between East Africans, INCLUDING THE TUAREG. with whom the they share a common origin - Luca Sforza.

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If you had a milligram of common sense, you'd give it up, beaten as you are, but you don't.

So.....

Try again tomorrow, loser....

posted 24 September 2005 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
No, the 135 genetic distance between the Tuareg and Beja is a product of a [b]common origin between the two, according to Cavelli Sforza, and **not** to mixtures with others, who are less related. [a genetic imposibility]

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Here's what Cavalli-Sforza actually wrote (p.173):

posted 24 September 2005 12:07 PM            

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Genetic distances between North Africans excluding the Tuareg, and East Africans including the Tuareg..

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