Yes and Kohemni created his own green Book here read this Just because you came at me with in a respectful manner:
Ayatollah Khomeini: A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girls sister. From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
As the village Idiot(No insult) giving evidence to you would be counterproductive. Your only good to laugh at when you decide to try and "Intimidate" people by insults.
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quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: I dare you present evidence..NOW !
مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ، و لو وطأها قبل التسع و لم يفضها لم يترتب عليه شىء غير الاثم على الاقوى ، و إن أفضاها بأن جعل مسلكى البول و الحيض واحدا أو مسلكى الحيض و الغائط واحدا حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا لكن على الاحوط فى الصورة الثانية ، و على أي حال لم تخرج عن زوجيته على الاقوى ، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث و حرمة الخامسة و حرمة أختها معها و غيرها ، و يجب عليه نفقتها مادامت حية و إن طلقها بل و إن تزوجت بعد الطلاق على الاحوط ، بل لا يخلو من قوة ، و يجب عليه دية الافضاء ، و هى دية النفس ، فإذا كانت حرة فلها نصف دية الرجل مضافا إلى المهر الذي استحقته بالعقد و الدخول ، و لو دخل بزوجته بعد إكمال التسع فأفضاها لم تحرم عليه و لم تثبت الدية ، و لكن الاحوط الانفاق عليها مادامت حية و إن كان الاقوى عدم الوجوب .
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“It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse with one's wife that hasn’t reached nine years of age, be it permanent or temporary marriage. But there is no problem with all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and rubbing again the thighs, even with a suckling infant. If he does have sexual intercourse before nine years of age and does not penetrate, there is no penalty, but he has committed a sin. If he does penetrate causing the vagina and urethra openings to be one, she will become forever haraam for him. Although this is as a precautionary measure. And it is more probable that her status as his wife is not removed. And the rulings of inheritance, and the prohibition of a fifth wife or marriage to her sister applies. He is also responsible for her maintenance as long as she is alive, even if he divorces her and even if she marries someone else after his divorcing her as a precautionary measure. And he is liable for blood money for the penetration and the amount is equivalent to that of an individual. If she is a free-woman, the amount is half that of a man, plus the dowry that she became entitled to through the `aqd and penetration. If he penetrates his wife after the age of nine (causing the same damage as quoted above) , she does not become haraam to him and there is no evidence that blood money is liable, but as a precautionary measure, he should maintain her as long as she is alive, although it is more probable that this is not obligatory.”
Unfortunately, my Arabic is not good enough to search the net for the source of the original. But I know for sure that it was an official fatwa and not a fake. Posts: 2803 | Registered: Feb 2007
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What I posted comes from the Book of Khoemini. Where is the scam? Why should I even look at your stupid link, when I gave the Book what it's called and the verses from it.
Grow up
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Who's fatwa are you posting Dalia ? Those are lies and nothing to do with Islam..Shiite Islam isn't my faith anyway..so the LIAR KING can brag as much as he wants, my Islam is Sunni like the greater majority of Egypt's Muslims. Btw its the Khomeini who ruined Islam's image to the world, may he rot in hell!
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The 'VERSES' you refer to are not from a reliable source, they are claimed by a liar to belong to a mad man. Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: Who's fatwa are you posting Dalia ?
That was a fatwa by the late Ayatollah Khomeini.
quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: Those are lies and nothing to do with Islam..
Of course this is crazy stuff and incompatible with Islam, or any faith, for that matter, but that wasn't my point. Fact is, that fatwa exists. And let's face it -- there are lots of insane fatawa from scholars of any school of thought, be they Sunni, Shia, Salafi or whatever. Just think of the breastfeeding fatwa and other bizarre stuff that came out of Al Azhar in recent years ...
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quote:Originally posted by *Dalia*: [QUOTE]Of course this is crazy stuff and incompatible with Islam, or any faith, for that matter, but that wasn't my point. Fact is, that fatwa exists. And let's face it -- there are lots of insane fatawa from scholars of any school of thought, be they Sunni, Shia, Salafi or whatever. Just think of the breastfeeding fatwa and other bizarre stuff that came out of Al Azhar in recent years ...
So true. And like we were discussing on another thread recently, none of the fatwas provide anything positive for women. But the breastfeeding one...that one takes the prize for being most bizarre of all time.
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This is what bothers me about Islam is the Blatant disregard for women.
Women seems to be viewed as nothing more then property to some followers of Islam.
People have to remember that mentally, Women and Men are equal. Respecting women is what needs to be done in Islamic countries. It absolutly boggles the mind that girls are given in marriage to 50+ men.
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How it can be fixed is by starting young to teach about Famous women in Islam and the secular world. Showing these girls people like them who have made names for themselves as women, and as leaders in General. Instill in children the belief that they can be anything they want to be in this world. Don't put too much pressure on children. Let them be educated at there own pace. We see in some succesful countries, that the children are so pressured that they commit suicide. We don't want this for muslim children or any other kids. We see how education can also hurt children when people teach kids about stuff like homosexuality and trying to confuse kids at a younger age.
Children are the future, and they are the most important people on Earth.
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quote:Originally posted by KING: The Ministry of Common Sense
How it can be fixed is by starting young to teach about Famous women in Islam and the secular world. Showing these girls people like them who have made names for themselves as women, and as leaders in General. Instill in children the belief that they can be anything they want to be in this world. Don't put too much pressure on children. Let them be educated at there own pace. We see in some succesful countries, that the children are so pressured that they commit suicide. We don't want this for muslim children or any other kids. We see how education can also hurt children when people teach kids about stuff like homosexuality and trying to confuse kids at a younger age.
Children are the future, and they are the most important people on Earth.
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It's a good theory. But in reality it will never happen that way.
I'll just be happy if I can manage to teach a room full of Egyptians for form a single file line in order to get through the doorway. Posts: 1626 | From: whatever, wherever | Registered: Jul 2008
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That is not the Kind of mentality we need Sense. We have to be able to instill in others the benefit of Hope. We need to promote this as a possibility for muslim women. Children if raised the right way can become leaders and change society for the better.
We have a common enemy and that is the new world order. If muslims and Christians can learn about eachother and understand that the NWO targets the children, then we can defend our children by not allowing the brainwashing of the Elite to guide our Kids.
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King I've quoted the Qur'an for you to know what we think of Christians..enjoy ! Christians
Qur'an 5:17 "Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, 'The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.'" Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other." Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: 'God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.' But the Messiah only said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'" Qur'an 74:31 "We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease." Ishaq:180 "According to my information, the Apostle often sat by a young Christian slave named Jabr. The Meccans said, 'He is the one who teaches Muhammad most of what he brings.' Then Allah revealed, Qur'an 16:103 'We know what they (pagans) say: "It is only a mortal man who teaches him (Muhammad). But the tongue of the man they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this (Qur'an) is pure Arabic.'" Qur'an 72:15 "But the Qasitun (disbelievers) are the firewood of hell." Qur'an 88:1 "Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring." Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low." [Another translation says:] "pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection." Ishaq:552 "The Quraysh had put pictures in the Ka'aba including two of Jesus and one of Mary. Muhammad ordered that the pictures should be erased." Qur'an 5:14 "From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done." Qur'an 5:15 "O People of the Book! There has come to you Our Apostle, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Scripture, suppressing and passing over much. There has come to you from Allah a (new) light (Muhammad) and a clear Book [the Qur'an]." Qur'an 5:17 "...Say (Muhammad): 'Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone else on earth?" Qur'an 5:18 "The Jews and the Christians say: 'We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men. He forgives whom He wishes and punishes whom He pleases.'" Qur'an 5:35 "Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture." Qur'an 5:47 "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any fail to judge by what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." Qur'an 5:48 "To you [Christians] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah has revealed." Qur'an 5:49 "And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah's purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious." Qur'an 5:57 "Believers, take not for friends those who take your religion for a mockery or sport, a joke, whether among those who received the Scripture before you or among those who reject Faith; but fear Allah." Qur'an 5:68 "Say: 'People of the Scripture Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you observe the Taurat [Torah], the Injeel [Gospel], and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord.' It is certain to increase their rebellion and blasphemy. But grieve you not over unbelieving people." Qur'an 5:72 "...Lo! Whoever joins other gods with Allah or says He has a partner, Allah has forbidden Paradise, and the Hell Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help." Qur'an 5:73 "They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: 'God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them - the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom." Qur'an 5:75 "The Messiah, Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had to eat their food. See how Allah does make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded!" Qur'an 4:157 "'We [Jews] killed the Messiah, Jesus,' but they killed him not, nor crucified him. It appeared so to them (as the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man and they killed that man). Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself. Those who differ with this version are full of doubts. They have no knowledge and follow nothing but conjecture. For surely they killed him not." Qur'an 4:171 "O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity.' Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).... He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them." Qur'an 4:159 "And there is none of the People of the Book but will believe in him (Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being) before his (Jesus') death. He will be a witness against them." Qur'an 5:77 "Say (Muhammad): 'People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus.... They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah's indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity." [Another translation reads:] "Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled." Qur'an 5:80 "You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide." Qur'an 5:81 "If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him." Qur'an 5:82 "You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims." Qur'an 5:110 "And God will say: 'O Jesus! Recount My favor to you and to your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in the prime of life. Behold! I taught you the law and the judgment, the Torah and the Gospel. And behold, you made out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird and you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission. And you healed those born blind by My permission and the lepers by My permission. And behold! You raised forth the dead by My permission. And behold! I did restrain the Jews from harming you when you came with clear proofs. And the unbelievers among the Jews said: 'This is nothing but magic.'" Qur'an 5:111 "Behold! I inspired the [Christian] disciples to have faith in Me and My Messenger. They said, 'We are believers, and bear witness that we prostrate ourselves to Allah as Muslims.'" Qur'an 5:112 "Behold! The disciples, said: 'O Jesus, can your Lord send down to us a table well laid out from heaven?' Said Jesus: 'Fear Allah, if you have faith.' When the disciples said: 'O Jesus, son of Mary, is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?' He said: "Observe your duty to Allah, if you are true believers.'" Qur'an 5:113 "They said: 'We only wish to eat thereof to satisfy our hearts, and to know that you have told us the truth. We want to witnesses a miracle.' Said Jesus, the son of Mary: 'O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table well laid out, that there may be for us a feast, a Sign from you." Qur'an 5:115 "Allah said: 'I am going to send it down unto you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, resisting Faith [Islam], I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures, man or jinn. I will punish them with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures." Qur'an 5:116 "And behold! Allah will say: 'O Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' He will say: 'Glory to You! Never could I utter what I had no right." Qur'an 5:117 "I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)" Tabari IX:15 "One of the Ansari who was plundering the slain came upon a Thaqif boy. He discovered that he was an uncircumcised Christian. He uncovered others and then yelled out at the top of his voice, 'Allah knows that the Thaqif are uncircumcised." Tabari IX:86 "Don't seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax." Bukhari:V2B23N414 "The Prophet in his fatal illness said, "Allah cursed Jews and Christians because they took their Prophets' graves as places for praying.'" Bukhari:V5B59N727 "When Allah's Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, 'That is so! Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians.'" Bukhari:V4B55N607 "Allah's Apostle said, 'On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw Jesus with a red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom. And I resemble Abraham more than any of his offspring.'" Qur'an 2:111 "They say: 'None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.' Those are their (vain) desires. Say: 'Produce your proof if you are truthful.' Nay, whoever submits His face to Allah and surrenders, he will get his reward; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: 'The Christians follow nothing; and the Christians say: 'the Jews follow nothing (true);' Yet they (profess to) recite the (same) Scripture Book. But Allah will judge between them in their quarrel." Qur'an 9:30 "The Jews call Uzair the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!" Qur'an 9:31 "They (Jews and Christians) consider their rabbis and monks to be gods besides Allah. They also took their Lord Messiah to be a god but they were commanded (in the Taurat and Injeel) to worship only One Ilah (God). There is no ilah (god) but He. Too holy is He for the partners they associate (with Him)." Qur'an 9:34 "Believers, there are many (Christian) monks and (Jewish) rabbis who in falsehood devour the wealth of mankind and hinder (men) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in Allah's Cause. (Muhammad) announce unto them tidings of a painful torture. On the Day [of Doom] heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the Fire of Hell. It will be branded on their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs. 'This is the (treasure) which you hoarded for yourselves: now taste it!'" Qur'an 2:116 "They say: 'Allah hath begotten a son: glory be to Him.' Nay, to Him belongs all that is in heavens and on earth: All are subservient and obedient to Him." Qur'an 2:145 "Even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture Book all the Signs, they would not follow Your Qiblah; nor are you going to follow their Qiblah; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qiblah." Qur'an 2:146 "The People of the Book, unto whom We gave the Scripture, know/recognize this revelation/him as they know/recognize their own sons; But lo! a party of them knowingly conceals truth." Qur'an 2:71 "The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense." Qur'an 2:174 "Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the [Bible] Scripture Book, and thus make a miserable profit thereby [selling it to Muhammad], swallow Fire into themselves; Allah will not address them. Grievous will be their doom." Qur'an 2:175 "They are the ones who bartered away guidance for error and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah, what boldness (they show) for the Fire! (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism of great opposition." Tabari VIII:98 "Between the truce of Hudaybiyah and his death, the Messenger dispersed his Companions with letters. 'I have been sent as a mercy and for all. Therefore, convey the message from me, and Allah shall have mercy on you. Do not become disobedient to me as the Disciples became disobedient to Jesus. He called them to the like of what I called you to. Those whom he sent close by were pleased and accepted; those whom he sent far off were refused. Jesus complained of their behavior to Allah, and when they awoke the next morning, each could speak the language of the people to whom he had been sent. Then Jesus said, 'This is an affair that Allah has determined for you; so go forth!'" Qur'an 8:50 "If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: 'Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.'" Qur'an 8:52 "They brought this on themselves. Their case is like that of Pharaoh and of those before them. They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment." Qur'an 61:6 "And Jesus, the son of Mary, said: 'Children of Israel, I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming that (which was revealed) before me in the Torah, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad, the Praised One.' But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, 'this is sorcery!'" Qur'an 61:14 "O Muslims! Be helpers of Allah: As Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?' Said the disciples, 'We are Allah's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious." Qur'an 3:37 "Mariam was given into the care of Zacharyah. Whenever he came to see her in her chamber he found her provided with food, and he asked, 'Where has this come from Mary?' She said, 'From Allah who gives in abundance to whomsoever He will. Zacharyah prayed, 'Bestow on me offspring that is good [i.e., not a girl]. As he stood in the chamber the angels said, 'Allah sends you tidings of Yahya (John) who will confirm a thing from Allah (the creation of Isa (Jesus), the Word of Allah) and be a noble prophet, one who is upright and does good [a Muslim]." Qur'an 3:42Qur'an 3:44 "Behold! the angels said: 'Mariam! Allah has chosen you and purified you above the women of all nations and creation (including jinn). Mary! submit with obedience to your Lord (Allah). Prostrate yourself, and bow down with those [Muslims] who bow down." "This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which you have no knowledge and We reveal unto you (Messenger!) by inspiration. You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mariam. Nor were you with them when they disputed." Qur'an 3:45 "Behold, the angels said: 'O Mariam! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to Allah." Qur'an 4.171 "O people of the Book (Christians), do not be fanatical in your faith, and say nothing but the truth about Allah. The Messiah who is Isa (Jesus), son of Mariam, was only a messenger of Allah, nothing more. He bestowed His Word on Mariam and His Spirit. So believe in Allah and say not Trinity for Allah is one Ilah (God)...far be it from His Glory to beget a son." Qur'an 3:46 "And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and shall be one of the good ones." Bukhari:V4B55N645 "The Prophet said, 'None spoke in cradle but three: The first was Jesus, the second was an Israeli called Juraij. While he was offering his prayers, his mother called him. He said, "Shall I answer her or keep on praying?" He went on praying and did not answer her. His mother said, "O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces of prostitutes." Qur'an 3:47 "Mary said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so: Allah creates what He wills: When He has decreed a plan, He but says to it, 'Be,' and it is!" Qur'an 3:48 "And Allah will teach him the Scripture Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him a messenger to the Children of Israel, with this message: 'Lo! I come unto you with a Sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave." [As if reading a different Arabic text, the Ali translation says:] "He will teach him the Law and the Judgment, the Torah and the Gospel, and he will be Apostle to the children of Israel, (saying) 'I have come to you with a prodigy from your Lord that I will fashion the state of destiny out of the mire for you and breathe (a new spirit) into it, and (you) will rise by the will of Allah." Bukhari:V4B55N657 "Allah's Messenger said, 'Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, will shortly descend amongst you Muslims and will judge mankind by the law of the Qur'an. He will break the cross and kill the swine [Jews] and there will be no Jizyah tax taken from non-Muslims. Money will be so abundant no one will accept it. So you may recite this Holy Verse: "Isa (Jesus) was just a human being before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he (Jesus) will be a witness against the Christians."'" Bukhari:V4B55N658 "Allah's Apostle said 'How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur'an and not by the law of Gospel.'" Bukhari:V4B55N651-2 "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus. There has been no prophet between me and Jesus. All the prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one.'" Qur'an 3:50 "(I [Isa/Jesus] have come) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path." Bukhari:V4B56N814 "There was a Christian who embraced Islam and he used to write the revelations for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again he used to say: 'Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him.'" Qur'an 3:52 "But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: 'Who will be my helpers in the Allah's Cause? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and do you bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:54 "And they (the disciples from the previous verse) schemed, and Allah schemed and plotted (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." Qur'an 3:54 [Another translation reads:] "'Lord, we believe in Your revelations [the Torah and Gospels] and follow this Apostle [Jesus]. Enroll us among the witnesses.' But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah's plot was the best." [A third translation says that "they" refers to "disbelievers," not the disciples and they plotted to kill Jesus.] "And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Isa [Jesus]) and Allah plotted too." Qur'an 3:55 "Allah said, 'Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son).... Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them." [Interesting, considering...] Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who say; 'God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary." Qur'an 3:55 [Another translation reads:] "Behold! Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith. Then shall you all return unto me, and I will judge between you on the matters wherein you dispute." [Another:] "(Remember) when Allah said: 'Jesus! Lo! I am gathering you and causing you to ascend unto Me. I am cleansing you of those who disbelieve." [A fourth reads:] "When Allah said: 'Jesus, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve.... I will decide between you concerning that which you differed." Qur'an 3:56 "As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them." Qur'an 3:58 "This is what We rehearse to you of the Signs and Message, a wise reminder. The similitude (likeness) of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be.' And he was." Qur'an 3:60 "The Truth (comes) from Allah alone. So be not of those who doubt, waver or dispute. If any one disputes in this matter with you, now after knowledge has come to you, say: 'Come! Let us gather together our sons and women among ourselves. Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!'" Qur'an 3:61 "If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them." Qur'an 3:62 "This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah - He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: 'O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.' If then they turn back, say you: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered." Qur'an 3:67 "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah." Qur'an 3:69 "It is the wish of the followers of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not. You People of the Book! Why reject you the signs, proofs, and verses of Allah, of which you are witnesses? You People of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth?" Qur'an 3:118 "O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: 'Perish in your rage.'" Qur'an 4:48 "Allah forgives not that partners [Christ as God] should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything else, to whom He please; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous." Qur'an 4:50 "Behold! how they invent lies against Allah! That is flagrant sin." Qur'an 4:51 "Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in sorcery and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: these are better guided than those who believe. They are (men) whom Allah has cursed: And those whom Allah has cursed, you will find that they have no savior." Qur'an 4:54 "Are they jealous and envious what Allah has given them of his bounty? But We had already given the house of Abraham the Book, and conferred upon them a grand kingdom. Some of them believed, and some of them averted their faces from him. And Hell is sufficient for their burning. Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire. As often as their skin is burnt and singed, roasted through, We shall change it for fresh skin, so that they may go on tasting the torment."
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Huh ? You chickened out or what ? All you do is post crap about Muhammad pbuh, but cannot come with one shred of truth. The Qur'an speaks of your kind..but you cannot see the words..you're as blind as a bat . Posts: 3219 | From: Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone. | Registered: Nov 2005
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So from what I gather from your post is that You don't follow the Pagan Arab God Allah.
You think because Allah is the Arab name for God that Muhammad did not tell the pagan Arabs that he follows their God???
Whatever you think about the Quran and the Hadith it seems there are muslims who are just as militant about the Hadith, like you are about the Quran.
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You know King, I have a lot of Christian friends in Egypt and I've attended many weddings and funerals (of their relatives etc) and every single time, the Priest used the word Allah in his sermons. So Allah is not a Muslim word, it is an Arabic word for God. It is as simple as that. Christians also like to use the word "Rab," which is not common with Arab Muslims. But they also use Allah. The next time you drop in Egypt, attend some church services and you will see for yourself.
Salam.
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Long posts are the Qur'an itself that brings the truth to mankind, you should learn from them how to respect people's faiths and not insult their prophets, you cannot read because you defend your satanic cause on ES...you do not have anything to say on other threads of the ES forum but insults and lies about Muhammad pbuh, since this is your only crusade or mission on ES. You are the evil on ES forums and shall pay for your sins against the Prophet of Islam pbuh, I will do my best to expose your filthy plot against my Prophet pbuh, I am your nightmare as long as it takes to put you where you belong..with your master Lucifer.
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Dzosser, Sura 5:51 is not translated correctly. God says do not make Christians and Jews your "awlya," as in protector. So for example when Britian (Christians) were our awlaya they screwed us, the same with Palestine. But God never said not to take them as friends. Big difference between the word wali and sahab or sadeeq. I have a lot of Christian friends and I love them very much. Please don't be like that.
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Jesus never told his followers to follow the teachings of the Council. If you have Proof Jesus said to follow the Council then post it. All the Sanhedrin are is Jewish authorities
zzzzzzzzzz Jesus was Jewish
quote:Matthew 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
As you can see from this verse, Jesus was talking about the very "Sanhedrins" that taught men the Talmud.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Jesus states in this verse that people call on him, but do not follow his teachings.
Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
As you can see, Jesus is speaking about those who keep the Traditions of the Elders instead of Gods rules. God never said it was okay to sleep with a 3 yearold that is one of the doctrines of Men.
No its talking about those that say they agree to his face yet smite him behind his back, Quran also warns of those kind of people. And God never said Jesus was God either yet you again believe what MAN has written, that MAN being Paul.
quote:As for what you said about refuting what has been Posted about Muhammmad. That is a bold Lie, all the evidence you posted about Ayisha not being six when she was married was refuted in that old thread.
None of what I posted was refuted king THAT is the bold LIE from you.
Now listen up King. I have posted from the LAWS of the ELDERS and RABBI thats TAUGHT jesus and were the LAW at the time. You are refuting that this has anything to do with Jesus yet he was a Jew and was governed and tried by these LAWS. There is NO way you can dig out of this one King, although you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist trying
You claim here that Jesus said not to follow what these men had as laws yet EVERY TIME I have said the very same about Islam you laugh and say its not so. Now the Hadith MAY be taken by some to be something from God, they are wrong, Quran tells them also to be aware of MANs words and addition to the religion yet they still do it. In hadith, which are NOT laws relating to Islam, it contradicts itself on many many things, as I showed in the Ayesha Myth post which was NOT refuted. The Sanhedrin and others (yes there are many other things to post) WERE THE LAW, the council, the BOSS, the ELDERS, the RABBI. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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7ayat I also have more Christian friends than Muslims, all are Coptic, they're my best friends from school days, that's more than 50 years, we are closer to each other than family, we never insulted each other's prophets at all, we always criticized each other's beliefs in a way as not to insult each other. In every group of people there are the evil and hateful people that the Qur'an mentions above, they aren't all the same, the worst are the hypoctites that come in Peace like King..this guy is a reincarnated crusader on a mission from Lucifer.
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Kind of Sad you don't know your own muslim scholars. Let me help you on your Journey. There is a country called Iran, you may not of heard of it. It is home to the Shias.
Now I did my part now educate yourself.
Hey Dzosser, morons are people that think a Child molestor was a prophet of God. Morons are people who don't see anything wrong with having more then Ten wives, but telling your followers there "Only" allowed 4.
Peace
ooh look king, pederasty....thats sodomizing young boys incase you didnt know, bestiality....did you know there is a 'natural way for a woman to have sex with an animal? , masturbation, incest, children of nine years and one day, ooh its all in there from Sanhedrin RABBI
he] who commits bestiality, whether naturally or unnaturally; or a woman who causes herself to be bestially abused, whether naturally or unnaturally, is liable to punishment.1 R. Nahman, son of R. Hisda stated in an exposition: In the case of a woman, there are two modes of intimacy, but in the case of a beast, only one.2 R. Papa objected: On the contrary, since sexual intercourse with a woman is a natural thing, guilt should be incurred only for a natural connection, but for nothing else, whilst, since a connection with a beast is an unnatural thing, one should be punished for every such act, however it be done.3
It has been taught: Pederasty at the age of nine years and a day; she who commits bestiality, whether naturally or unnaturally, and a woman who causes herself to be bestially abused, whether naturally or unnaturally, are liable to punishment.4
Rabina asked Raba: What if one commits the first stage of pederasty? [He replied: Dost thou ask] what if one commits the first stage of pederasty! Is it not written, Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind?5 But [the question to be asked is] what if one commits the first stage of bestiality? — He replied: Since the culpability of the first stage of incest, which is explicitly stated with reference to one's paternal or maternal aunt, is redundant there, for it is likened to the first stage of intercourse with a niddah,6 apply its teaching to the first stage of bestiality [as being punishable].7 Now consider: bestiality is a capital offence, punishable by Beth din. Why then does the Scripture teach the capability of its first stage in a law relating to a sin punishable by extinction:8 should it not rather have been indicated in a verse dealing with sexual intercourse as a capital offence too;9 so that one capital offence might be deduced from another? Since this entire verse10 is written for the sake of new interpretations [whereby additional laws are deduced] — another statement for the same purpose is inserted.11
R. Ahdaboi b. Ammi propounded a problem to R. Shesheth: What if one excited himself to the first stage [of masturbation]? — He replied: You annoy us!12 R. Ashi said: What is your problem? This is impossible in self-stimulation; but it is possible in the case of coition with a membrum mortuum. On the view that such, in incest, is not punishable, in masturbation too it is not punishable. But on the view that it is punishable, a twofold penalty is incurred here, since he is simultaneously the active and passive partner of the deed.
It was asked of R. Shesheth: What if a heathen committed bestiality [is the animal killed or not]? Must it have been both a stumbling block and a cause of degradation [in order for it to be stoned], but here it was only a stumbling block, but not a cause of degradation;13 or perhaps, even if it was only a stumbling block, without having led to degradation, [it is still stoned]?14 — R. Shesheth replied, We have learnt it: If in the case of trees, which neither eat nor drink nor smell, the Torah decreed that they should be burnt and destroyed,15 because they had proved a stumbling block: how much more so [must thou destroy him] who seduces his neighbour from the path of life to that of death.16 If so, where a heathen worships his cow, should it not be forbidden and killed?17 — Is there anything which is not forbidden to an Israelite, yet forbidden to a heathen?18 But why should it not be forbidden if an Israelite worshipped it: is it not analogous to bestiality? — Abaye answered: In the latter case [bestiality] the degradation is great; whilst in the former [animal worship] the disgrace is little.19 But in the case of trees, the degradation is not great, yet did not the Torah order them to be burnt, destroyed, and annihilated? — We are speaking of living creatures, for which the All-Merciful One shewed pity.20 Raba said: The Torah ordered that the animal should be destroyed, because it too derived pleasure from sin.21 But trees derive no pleasure, yet the Torah commanded that they should be destroyed, burnt, and annihilated! We are speaking of living creatures, for which the All-Merciful One shewed pity. Come and hear!22 ANOTHER REASON IS, THAT THE ANIMAL SHOULD NOT PASS THROUGH THE STREETS, WHILST PEOPLE SAY, THIS IS THE ANIMAL ON ACCOUNT OF WHICH SO AND SO WAS STONED. Now surely,
quote:Originally posted by KING: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side
That is all that needs to be posted. Thanks for proving an easy point. Muhammad was able to marry any women he wanted whether they were captured in war, or what his "Hand" possessed. Also If muhammad was a prophet, then why did he die of being poisoned?
Peace
women not as good as men servants:
Exodus 21: 7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Paying for raping virgins: Ex22:16 "If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.
rape again, no problem mans sins forgiven Lev 19: 20 " 'If a man sleeps with a woman who is a slave girl promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment. Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting for a guilt offering to the LORD. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the LORD for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.
women worth less than men in monetary terms lev 27:3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels [a] of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel [b] ; 4 and if it is a female, set her value at thirty shekels. [c] 5 If it is a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels [d] and of a female at ten shekels. [e] 6 If it is a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels [f] of silver and that of a female at three shekels [g] of silver. 7 If it is a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels [h] and of a female at ten shekels.
Saul SELLS his daughter to David for FORESKINS!! 1 Sam 18:25 Saul replied, "Say to David, 'The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.' "
Men again higher ranked than women 1 Corinthians 11:3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
oohhhhh 1 Cor 14:34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
did you say something somewhere about the treatment of women in Islam King??
Eph 5:22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
quote:Originally posted by KING: This is what bothers me about Islam is the Blatant disregard for women.
Women seems to be viewed as nothing more then property to some followers of Islam.
People have to remember that mentally, Women and Men are equal. Respecting women is what needs to be done in Islamic countries. It absolutly boggles the mind that girls are given in marriage to 50+ men.
Peace
Lev 21:9 " 'If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Gen 38:24 About three months later Judah was told, "Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant." Judah said, "Bring her out and have her burned to death!"
Deut 25:11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
1 Tim 2:8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.
9 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
offer your mrs for a group of drunks then chop her up afterwards! Judges 19:22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him."
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.
29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!"
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7ayat and Dzosser, he wont listen he wont read and he wont see, blind deaf and dumb.
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quote:Originally posted by *Dalia*: That was a fatwa by the late Ayatollah Khomeini.
quote:Originally posted by Dzosser: Those are lies and nothing to do with Islam..
Of course this is crazy stuff and incompatible with Islam
It has nothing to do with Islam only if Muhammad has nothing to do with Islam.
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
Question: ‘It has become widespread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children. (mufa’khathat - literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs” which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child) What is the opinion of scholars, knowing full well that the prophet, the peace of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be pleased with her.’
Answer: After studying the issue, the committee has answered as follows: As for the prophet, thighing his fiancée Aisha when she was six years of age and not able to consummate the relationship due to her small age. That is why the Prophet used to place his male member between her thighs and massage it, as the prophet had control of his male member not like other men.
Muhammad saw Um Habiba the daughter of Abbas while she was fatim (age of nursing) and he said, "If she grows up while I am still alive, I will marry her."
Aisha was Mohammed's Foster Niece:
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Mohammed Refused to Marry a Different Foster Niece:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "
"When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I Sad, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?"
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'
Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam), and (I don't remember) a single day passing without our being visited by Allah’s Apostle in the morning and in the evening."
[Aisha was either not very old or not born yet when her parents became Muslims. This is consistent with her being a child when her marriage with Mohammed was consummated.]
Washing Off Mohammed's Semen
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.
Abdullah b. Shihab al-Khaulani reported: I stayed in the house of 'A'isha and had a wet dream (and perceived its effect on my garment), so (in the morning) I dipped both (the clothes) in water. This (act of mine) was watched by a maid-servant of A'isha and she informed her. She (Hadrat A'isha) sent me a message: What prompted you to act like this with your clothes? He (the narrator) said: I told that I saw in a dream what a sleeper sees. She said: Did you find (any mark of the fluid) on your clothes? I said: No. She said: Had you found anything you should have washed it. In case I found that (semen) on the garment of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) dried up, I scraped it off with my nails. Sahih Muslim 2:572, See Also Sahih Muslim 2:566, Sahih Muslim 2:567, Sahih Muslim 2:568, Sahih Muslim 2:569, Sahih Muslim 2:570, Sahih Muslim 2:571
Mohammed struck Aisha
(the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain Sahih Muslim 4:2127
Abu Bakr struck Aisha
Narrated 'Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) We set out with Allahs Apostle on one of his journeys till we reached Al-Baida' or Dhatul-Jaish, a necklace of mine was broken (and lost). Allah's Apostle stayed there to search for it, and so did the people along with him. There was no water at that place, so the people went to Abu- Bakr As-Siddiq and said, "Don't you see what 'Aisha has done? She has made Allah's Apostle and the people stay where there is no water and they have no water with them." Abu Bakr came while Allah's Apostle was sleeping with his head on my thigh, He said, to me: "You have detained Allah's Apostle and the people where there is no water and they have no water with them.
So he admonished me and said what Allah wished him to say and hit me on my flank with his hand. Nothing prevented me from moving (because of pain) but the position of Allah's Apostle on my thigh. Allah's Apostle got up when dawn broke and there was no water. So Allah revealed the Divine Verses of Tayammum. So they all performed Tayammum. Usaid bin Hudair said, "O the family of Abu Bakr! This is not the first blessing of yours." Then the camel on which I was riding was caused to move from its place and the necklace was found beneath it. Sahih Bukhari 1:7:330
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quote:I have posted from the LAWS of the ELDERS and RABBI thats TAUGHT jesus and were the LAW at the time. You are refuting that this has anything to do with Jesus yet he was a Jew and was governed and tried by these LAWS.
History records that the Jewish society in the times of Jesus was badly divided. The antagonists in New Testament are Sadducees and Pharisees. Sadducees represent the aristocratic clan of the high priests of the Hasmonean period. They were wealthy and powerful.
The Pharisees comprised of scribes and sages - a new group that was emerging fast on the horizon of power. They were opposed to the Sadducees whose permissive behaviour was their target. The word 'Pharisee' means 'separated', i.e. one who is separated for a life of purity. They were different from the pre-eminent group of the society. However, they had framed numerous laws to maintain the purity of day-to-day life and lower classes looked down upon them with disdain thanks to their obsession with purity and ritualism. Their zeal for laws was in sharp contrast with Jesus' emphasis on love. Jesus did not accept their ritualism and abhorred their strict laws. He advises:
So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' ... But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. (Matthew 6.31, 33-34).
"When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them.
Pharisee Puritanism had made the religion difficult for common people. The ritualism and 'Dos and Don'ts' practiced by Pharisees were too intricate for the common folk to follow. This also gave the Chief Priest, and Pharisees supporting him, a special status in the eyes of the rulers. How to eat, wear and walk - everything was decided by a specific set of rules, impossible for the lower classes to abide by. This made them sinners and the outcastes. Jesus courageously broke these rules and brought the lower classes on the forefront challenging the religious authority. His 'Love thy neighbour' message too brings the Religion into the societal fold and out of narrow confines of rituals. You cannot claim to be religious if you cannot love your neighbour i.e. a fellow human being. Jesus had the Religion descend from the high pedestal and serve the masses.
Jesus is willing to take cudgels on behalf of the lower classes:
"When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. But the Pharisee, noticing that Jesus did not first wash before the meal, was surprised.
Then the Lord said to him, 'Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? But give what is inside the dish to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.'
'Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which men walk over without knowing it.'
One of the experts in the law answered him, 'Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.'
Jesus replied, 'And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. '
'Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering'." (Luke 11. 37-46, 52).Posts: 3773 | From: unfinished thought | Registered: Nov 2008
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Why are you replying to my post and talking about Pharisees? I am talking about THE HIGH COURT OF LAW not some antagonists.
The word Sanhedrin in the tractate which bears its name has a specialised meaning somewhat remote from that of its Greek original. It designates the higher courts of law which in the latter part of the period of the Second Temple administered justice in Palestine according to the Mosaic law in the more serious criminal, and especially capital cases. The main subject of our tractate is the composition, powers, and functions of these courts. Incidentally, as is only natural, it deals in some detail with the conduct of criminal cases; and in this way it forms, along with Makkoth, the chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud.
In the eyes of Christian students, Sanhedrin has always occupied a favoured place among the tractates of the Talmud on account of the light which it is capable of throwing on the trial of Jesus of Nazareth.
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You took some cheapshots when I stopped posting I see.
Satanic is what Muhammad is. He is the one that said that Satan was speaking through him.
Al-Bukhari, vol. VII, no. 660
"Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle so that he used to think that he had had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not …"
I am A Christian. You speak of satan because you belong with him and his prophet.
I will ALWAYS fight against the evil religion that seems to promote sex with children and sleeping with women you capture in war.
Your blind defence of Muhammad and his corrupt teachings has you deaf, dumb, and Blind. We can see who is the follower of satan and his evil by all the insults and attacks you posted on people who did not insult you and mock you.
Fighting against satan and his followers(Dzosser) is what all people must do. I will not be intimidated by a satanist like Dzosser.
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When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed: "By the Star when it sets...", and when he came to the words: "Have you considered El-Lat and El-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other?", Satan cast onto his tongue, because of his inner debates, and what he desired to bring to his people, the words, "Those are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval"... Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the Messenger of God was much greived and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him (Qur'an 22:52), for He was merciful to him... (The History of al-Tabari, translated by W. M. Watt and M. V. McDonald, vol. 6, page 108, 109)
We sent not ever any Messenger or Prophet before thee, but that Satan cast into his fancy, when he was fancying; but God annuls what Satan casts, then God confirms His signs - surely, God is All-knowing, All-wise - that He may make what Satan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is sickness... (Qur'an 22:52)
The Qur'an provides even more evidence to back up al-Tabari's narrative if we consider that verses dealing with "abrogation" of verses by others may in fact be dealing with the "Satanic verses" episode.
And for whatever verse We abrogate or cast into oblivion, We bring a better or the like of it; knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything? (Qur'an 2:100)
An interesting thing about al-Tabari's account is his assertion that Satan cast the false verses into the Prophet's mind "because of his inner debates". Such an interpretation of the event is in agreement with an understanding of Satan as a personification of tendencies to sinfulness. http://www.geocities.com/zeeshanhasan/satan.html
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You failed to understand that Jesus never told his Followers to follow the Council, and he spoke out against these people. You seem to not understand that the Scribes and others made up the council. Also where in the verses I posted, Is Jesus saying he meant people who mocked him behind his back?
Matthew 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
how can you say that Jesus was talking about people who smited behind his Back?
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Jesus states in this verse that people call on him, but do not follow his teachings. Yet you think he was talking about people who smited behind his Back?
Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
So from this you see Jesus saying that he meant people who smited behind his Back?
Why would he say traditions if he meant them who smited behind his back?
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It seems that you fail to understand that the Old Testament is believed by muslims also. If it was not, then as what most people say Islam would be a false religion. Without the Prophets of the Old Testament, Islam would be nothing. Your attack on the Old Testament is just lame.
How about Muhammad being a "Prophet" What miracles did he do. What did he prophesy and it came true? Why was he allowed more then ten wives, yet told his followers they could only have 4? Why did muhammad say women were the majority in hell? Why would muslims need 72 virgins if they have a wife.
The bible speaks well of people like you.
Matthew13:10 Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.
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I usually ignore the rants of losers but you took some cheapshots after I left so I know you were following your father the devil. The only language you understand is insults because you get off on it like the depraved satanist you are.
Get a Life. You don't even know your own religion, why else would you not of known that Kohemini wrote the green book. Dog go fetch where I lied and post it.
Hey Idiot watch this video you might learn something:
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King, Muslims believe in the old and new testements, but we also believe they were corrupted. So attacking them doesn't mean that Islam is false at all. However, I don't agree with Muslims who completely reject the Bible and Torah, since they are God's books and many of the stories compliment the stories in the Koran and vice versa. For example, in the Koran, the first miracle that Jesus performed was when he spoke from the cradle as a baby to defend his mother. I believe this story is not in the Bible. Then there are some stories about Jesus's miracles in the Bible that are not included in the Quran. These should not be rejected by Muslims. The only things that should be rejected are the verses that contradict the Quran, like him being God.
Why don't we open a nice thread and compare the miracles of Jesus in the Quran and Bible, instead of the hate fest on this bloody thread??? Look at our similarities instead of our differences for a change!!!
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You really are a strange one. You attack unfinished thought. for posting without giving links, Then you yourself post without a link.
In the eyes of Christian students, Sanhedrin has always occupied a favoured place among the tractates of the Talmud on account of the light which it is capable of throwing on the trial of Jesus of Nazareth.
baa baa baa. lots of cheap shots and waffle without saying anything while I was asleep I see. You really are a strange one, you prefer to reply to a post missing a link than discuss bestiality, pederasty, and selling women which is in your books?? such a COWARD you show yourself little man.
I have already posted that link in many of the post previously, you know, the ones you have had sudden BLINDNESS to.
Oh and you missed the rest of my copied post, the bits that tell you Sanhedrin WAS the Law and the one Jesus was under:
The word Sanhedrin in the tractate which bears its name has a specialised meaning somewhat remote from that of its Greek original. It designates the higher courts of law which in the latter part of the period of the Second Temple administered justice in Palestine according to the Mosaic law in the more serious criminal, and especially capital cases. The main subject of our tractate is the composition, powers, and functions of these courts. Incidentally, as is only natural, it deals in some detail with the conduct of criminal cases; and in this way it forms, along with Makkoth, the chief repository of the criminal law of the Talmud.
now you are busted you idiot, for trying to ignore what is in your books and point fingers, DIRTY fingers at anyone else. Taqiya is lying King, its all in those books, I posted no lies, I leave all that to you.
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You seemed to of Read that Post, yet you forgot to read my other Post.
I will repost it so you can read.:
Ayisha
You failed to understand that Jesus never told his Followers to follow the Council, and he spoke out against these people. You seem to not understand that the Scribes and others made up the council. Also where in the verses I posted, Is Jesus saying he meant people who mocked him behind his back?
Matthew 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
how can you say that Jesus was talking about people who smited behind his Back?
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Jesus states in this verse that people call on him, but do not follow his teachings. Yet you think he was talking about people who smited behind his Back?
Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
So from this you see Jesus saying that he meant people who smited behind his Back?
Why would he say traditions if he meant them who smited behind his back?
Peace
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king start halfway up this page (5) you have missed a few posts of mine.
I will go to work now while you catch up, see ya in half an hour
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No its talking about those that say they agree to his face yet smite him behind his back, Quran also warns of those kind of people. And God never said Jesus was God either yet you again believe what MAN has written, that MAN being Paul.
This was your post. Jesus never said that he was talking about people who smite him behind his back, he was speaking about the pharisees and the sadducees who made up the council. Just reread my Post above yours.
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king, you read the post where i missed a link and you read the post you are talking about now, yet the 3 I posted in between the two you saw you have ignored, I wonder why?
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