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And please answer the question: Have you yourself been to Egypt and looked at ancient art yourself? Have you looked at the people in todays Egypt and studied the variation among them, and also among people depicted in ancient art?
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Can you explain where that hieroglyph were created, and when? And why should that hieroglyph be representative to ALL Egyptians during 3000 years?
How does it prove that all Egyptians looked the same during 3000 years?
Dude, You Lost
the hieroglyphs for face spans all the ancient Egyptians language, It was something recorded from them:
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AfroAmericans are linked to the Ancient Egypts because they fit the profile of the hieroglph for face:
In order to prove that for example African Americans are more related to ancient Egyptians than todays Egyptians we need a lot more DNA samples from ancient Egypt. Then we have to compare those samples with todays populations.
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AfroAmericans are linked to the Ancient Egypts because they fit the profile of the hieroglph for face:
In order to prove that for example African Americans are more related to ancient Egyptians than todays Egyptians we need a lot more DNA samples from ancient Egypt. Then we have to compare those samples with todays populations.
We do not need dna for this.
The Ancient Egyptians provided the answer for Afro Americans. The Ancient Egyptian hieroglphs for face is a Black African.
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To assume that a whole population looked the same during 3000 years out of one hieroglyph is not science.
In order to prove that for example African Americans are more related to ancient Egyptians than todays Egyptians we need a lot more DNA samples from ancient Egypt. Then we have to compare those samples with todays populations.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: To assume that a whole population looked the same during 3000 years out of one hieroglyph is not science.
In order to prove that for example African Americans are more related to ancient Egyptians than todays Egyptians we need a lot more DNA samples from ancient Egypt. Then we have to compare those samples with todays populations.
The Country of Ancient Egypt was like Uganda.
Ancient Egyptian hieroglphs for face is a Black African:
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You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
Give it up, Modern europeans cannot tell you a thing.
Ancient Europeans already called the Ancient Egyptians Black with words from scholars.
Ancient Egyptian language pictures for face is a Black African: Posts: 9651 | From: Reace and Love City. | Registered: Oct 2005
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You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
Your side lost the debate.
Ancient Egyptians have spoken. Ancient Egypt is Black African:
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You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
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Wiki has a summary of the DNA results so far obtained from ancient Egypt- Not so very many, we need more studies from different time periods and different geographical localities.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
Ancient Egypt is a Black African Country.
and they have spoken:
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You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. A hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
Genetics wont tell you what the Ancient Egyptians told you with the hieroglyphs for face, that is that they are Black Africans
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Genetics is science. One hieroglyph is not science.
One Ancient egyptian Hieroglyphs is Language. This is what Ancient Egyptians read and spoke and when they read it they read Black African is Ancient Egyptians
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You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. One hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: You are free to believe what you want. I will wait for more DNA results from different time periods before I try to assess the demographic composition of ancient Egypt. One hieroglyph is not good enough for me.
This is language that they spoke throughout Ancient Egypt and it showed that the Face stayed the same Black African.:
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Who in todays Egypt look most like the ancient ones, just to tie back to the OT?
And how is the genetic relatedness between todays Egyptians and the ancient Egyptians, those so far sequenced?
The Nubians and the saidi
as for genetics, its bogus when you have r1b for amenhotep 3rd when he looked like a Black African:
Haplogroups do not necessarily say much about phenotype. To assess phenotype one must look at the autosomal DNA. For example a black American can have a "European" Y-DNA haplogroup and still look very African. And an European man can have a typical "African" Y-DNA haplogroup and still look very European.
Amenhotep III - British museum
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I swear to god King is just being a troll...
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I swear to god King is just being a troll...
How am I being a Troll???
Posting the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs is making sure its not buried.
Also I posted the way that archeoptyrx was posting to me.
all you want to do is have a long winded debate where you call the person insults and they call you insults back and words are written with no value.
I would rather post a Picture that says exactly that Egypt was Black African.
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Who in todays Egypt look most like the ancient ones, just to tie back to the OT?
And how is the genetic relatedness between todays Egyptians and the ancient Egyptians, those so far sequenced?
The Nubians and the saidi
as for genetics, its bogus when you have r1b for amenhotep 3rd when he looked like a Black African:
Haplogroups do not necessarily say much about phenotype. To assess phenotype one must look at the autosomal DNA. For example a black American can have a "European" Y-DNA haplogroup and still look very African. And an European man can have a typical "African" Y-DNA haplogroup and still look very European.
Amenhotep III - British museum
that statue you posted still shows him as Black African
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The exact skin tone does not show but he had probably brown skin. Many Egyptians today also have different shades of brown skin. But to know which peoples he was mostly related to you need DNA. And if you have well preserved autosomal DNA you can get a clue about his skin tone, hair color and eye color.
Most Egyptians most probably had shades of brown skin, but it does not prove that they for example were more related to African Americans than with todays Egyptians. That takes a closer examination of DNA. Maybe you could take a DNA-test and compare with those ancient Egyptian genomes that we have?
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: We saw your pics. Then what conclusions one can draw about ancient Egyptian demographics from them is another thing.
But we do not have to repeat that discussion again.
Its a picture that ended the debate on Ancient Egypt race.
It showed that Ancient Egypt were Black African.
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You're not posting evidence you are making bold claims and proclaiming things like "Black African Egypt"...can you even define what that means.
Archeo is posting gnetic evidence that is showing that the population history of A. Egypt is more complex than a simple black or white Egypt...yet your evidence is a heiroglyph...smh.
I doubt you're real, people like Beyoku have warned and warned you but you keep posting these type of threads and evidence, I feel like you're a troll.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I swear to god King is just being a troll...
How am I being a Troll???
Posting the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs is making sure its not buried.
Also I posted the way that archeoptyrx was posting to me.
all you want to do is have a long winded debate where you call the person insults and they call you insults back and words are written with no value.
I would rather post a Picture that says exactly that Egypt was Black African.
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As I said before one hieroglyph does not prove anything about a countrys demography over a period of 3000 years. Maybe the person who first time made that hieroglyph looked like that, then people continued to use it. If everyone looked like that man then all statues and portraits would have looked very similar. But they do not, Statues show a rather heterogenous bunch over time, from stereotypic "negroid" faces to faces who some would call "caucasoid".
I presume I do not have to spam the thread with different images, you must have seen the variation yourself if you took a closer look at the ancient art. If you want to know how they did look during 3000 years you have to look at all art, or at least a lot of it, not just one hieroglyph.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: You're not posting evidence you are making bold claims and proclaiming things like "Black African Egypt"...can you even define what that means.
Archeo is posting gnetic evidence that is showing that the population history of A. Egypt is more complex than a simple black or white Egypt...yet your evidence is a heiroglyph...smh.
I doubt you're real, people like Beyoku have warned and warned you but you keep posting these type of threads and evidence, I feel like you're a troll.
quote:Originally posted by KING:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: I swear to god King is just being a troll...
How am I being a Troll???
Posting the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs is making sure its not buried.
Also I posted the way that archeoptyrx was posting to me.
all you want to do is have a long winded debate where you call the person insults and they call you insults back and words are written with no value.
I would rather post a Picture that says exactly that Egypt was Black African.
Listen I posted an Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyph of a Black African that Egypt used as a note for Face. Its from the Ancient Egyptian language family.
That trumps all the genetic posts of modern europeans. Ancient Europeans called Ancient Egypt Black.
I posted more substance to the cause of Black Egypt then you have posted with your insult tirades. It takes one picture to prove that Ancient Egypt iis Black African
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: You're not posting evidence you are making bold claims and proclaiming things like "Black African Egypt"...can you even define what that means.
Archeo is posting gnetic evidence that is showing that the population history of A. Egypt is more complex than a simple black or white Egypt...yet your evidence is a heiroglyph...smh.
I doubt you're real, people like Beyoku have warned and warned you but you keep posting these type of threads and evidence, I feel like you're a troll.
You are right, I will stop feeding the troll. Better I ignore him, then he maybe will go away
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: As I said before one hieroglyph does not prove anything about a countrys demography over a period of 3000 years. Maybe the person who first time made that hieroglyph looked like that, then people continued to use it. If everyone looked like that man then all statues and portraits would have looked very similar. But they do not, Statues show a rather heterogenous bunch over time, from stereotypic "negroid" faces to faces who some would call "caucasoid".
I presume I do not have to spam the thread with different images, you must have seen the variation yourself if you took a closer look at the ancient art. If you want to know how they did look during 3000 years you have to look at all art, or at least a lot of it, not just one hieroglyph.
YOU ARE NOT LISTENING....THE HIEROGLPYH IS PART OF ANCIENT EGYPT LANGUAGE AND WAS POSTED AS PART OF THE WALL STATUE.
ITS THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this Black African is what they used for there language to spell out Face. it spanned 3000 years and was not altered to look Caucasoid.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: You're not posting evidence you are making bold claims and proclaiming things like "Black African Egypt"...can you even define what that means.
Archeo is posting gnetic evidence that is showing that the population history of A. Egypt is more complex than a simple black or white Egypt...yet your evidence is a heiroglyph...smh.
I doubt you're real, people like Beyoku have warned and warned you but you keep posting these type of threads and evidence, I feel like you're a troll.
You are right, I will stop feeding the troll. Better I ignore him, then he maybe will go away
So thats what your going to do copout. slink away then.
The language of egypt is Black African and Face in Ancient Egypt is shown to be Black African.
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That trumps all the genetic posts of modern europeans.
I posted more substance to the cause of Black Egypt then you have posted with your insult tirades.
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Jari, why did you cut out part of my post??
quote:KING Posted: Listen I posted an Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyph of a Black African that Egypt used as a note for Face. Its from the Ancient Egyptian language family.
It is the language family of Egypt. And inside that family is the term for Face, It is a Black African.
Not only is your Blackness questioned. Its questioned because you mocked the hieroglyphs. Thats Ancient Egyptian Language.
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Jari Calls me a troll and bigs up an eurocentric poster archeopteryx who was repeating the same post and too tone def not to hear that the Hieroglyphs is like the alphabet and the Ancient Egyptian picture for Face is a Black African.
Jari you yourself is a Troll and not as Big on Black as you attacked me and defended an eurocentric who was not reading my posts but skimming it. Your Blackness is questioned because you mocked the hieroglyph that the language of Egypt is based on.
Archeopteryx did not understand that the picture was used as a part of the Ancient Egyptian Alphabet of hieroglyphs it is based on Face and is a Black African.
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^^^King...I just....Honestly if you're serious and not trolling I...I feel bad, man I really do.
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: ^^^King...I just....Honestly if you're serious and not trolling I...I feel bad, man I really do.
I'm not a troll
I take serious the contribution I have put to the for front.
I posted the pictures of Ancient egyptian face hieroglyph because its the only ones that exist. there's no Caucasoid or white face hieroglyph to speak of, only a Black African.
thats why it was important to me to post it.
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quote:Originally posted by KING: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING....THE HIEROGLPYH IS PART OF ANCIENT EGYPT LANGUAGE AND WAS POSTED AS PART OF THE WALL STATUE.
ITS THE EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this Black African is what they used for there language to spell out Face. it spanned 3000 years and was not altered to look Caucasoid. [/QB]
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quote:Originally posted by Antalas: I literally posted pictures of those baladi and you dismissed them because they looked too "arab" according to you.
Remember them ? :
Please quote my post where I said they "looked Arab".
They are obviously Baladi and don't look anything Arab who have different features by the way. In fact if those same Baladi were to go to Arabia, they would be called al'Afriqiu or worse 'Abeed'.
If those same people came to the U.S. and wore Western clothes they would look Afro-American or more specifically Afro-Latin which is whom many Copts in the states get mistaken for.
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