Call for Papers for Egypt In Its African Context Call for Papers: "Egypt in its African Context", The Manchester Museum, University of Manchester, 3rd-4th October 2009
The African elements of the ancient Egyptian culture, and indeed its physical location in Africa, have frequently been ignored, and there exists a level of prejudice against suggestions that Egyptian culture can be situated within an African cultural context. The contextualising of ancient Egypt culturally and geographically within Africa, the concept of ancient Egypt as part of Black History, and the discussion of how the material is perceived and interpreted in the West have only recently begun to receive attention, and the discussion is still regarded as peripheral and often irrelevant.
The aims of the conference are to:
* address perceptions of ancient Egypt in the West, in scholarly writing and public understanding; * present the work of scholars working on African-centred Egyptology; * present a scholarly approach to the subject of Egypt in Africa to counterbalance the extreme Afrocentric views within which such a debate is often contextualised; * investigate how community groups and professional Egyptologists can transfer their knowledge and points of view.
Papers are requested that address the following themes:
* the African aspects of ancient Egyptian culture; * historical and contemporary African perceptions of ancient Egypt; * the contested nature of ancient Egypt; * the biases inherent in presentation of Egypt in the West, and ways of addressing this - in museums, media and popular and scholarly publication.
Key speakers include Dr Sally-Ann Ashton, Senior Assistant Keeper, Department of Antiquities, The Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge; Dr Abadayo Folorunso, Professor, Department of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria; Dr Maulena Karenga, Professor, Department of Africana Studies, California State University, USA; Dr Shomarka Keita, Research affiliations with the National Human Genome Center, Howard University and the Department of Anthropology, Smithsonian Institution, USA; Dr. José Lingna Nafafé, Lecturer, Department of Sociology, The University of Birmingham, UK; and Dr Kimani Nehusi, Senior Lecturer, Cass School of Education, University of East London, UK.
The conference is organised in association with The Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge and with the support of The Petrie Museum of Egyptian Archaeology.
Abstracts of no more than 500 words, and full contact details, are to be emailed to the conference organiser, Karen Exell:
quote:The contextualising of ancient Egypt culturally and geographically within Africa, the concept of ancient Egypt as part of Black History, and the discussion of how the material is perceived and interpreted in the West have only recently begun to receive attention...
This is not true. The politics and significance of so-called Afrocentric history caught the attention of the mainstream from at least Diop's time.
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^ True, but as time went on, much of the work exposing Egypt's African identity gets buried underneath the rabble of pseudo-scholarship fringe afrocentrism and simply black-pride Afrocentrism that 'mainstream' Western scholarship tries to prop up as distraction from the obvious.
It's too bad for you no such bias exist or at least not to the extent for ancient Jewish religion and culture, isn't that right Eva??
Get your pussya$$ back here.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Seeking, I'm thinking perhaps we veterans of this forum should get involved by either writing a paper or contacting Dr. Karen Exell ourselves.
If you're going to write about how the "Kushites" don't look like Will Smith or that Prof. James book is "silly" and Afrocentric hence not real evidence for an African origin of Greek Classical Philosophy then you might be in a little bit of trouble Mary.
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Saying that many people who these so called white scholars would describe as afrocentrics, maybe because they don't have a degree from universal programming(university), i.e Ashra Kwesi, Dr Josef Ben Jochannan, Anthony Bowder, etc are actually really devoted to the study of egypt and have devoted years of thier lives to research. So why are they less credible than a white scholar who got an degree in Harvard.
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Actually the idea that mainstream scholars need papers to understand the African identity of ancient Egypt is dishonest. That is like an astronomer saying he needs papers to understand the existence of stars. Then what the hell have you been looking at for the last 200 years?
The point is they ALREADY have the papers, pictures, statues, temples and everything else to show the African identity of ancient Egypt.
For example, the Giza Mastabas have been excavated for over 80 years yet when have you seen many statues or images from the LARGEST collection of old kingdom artwork in Egypt?
Hardly ever. Yet these tombs, literally HUNDREDS of them, with HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of images from the Old Kingdom have been allowed to ROT over the last 100 years or more. But obviously this is due to the fact that they are STRONGLY African. Yet all you see is the same pale, faded and uncolored "old kingdom" statues over and over in books and magazines as if that is the ONLY artwork left from the old Kingdom, with rahotep and nofret and the seated scribe SHOWCASED constantly over and over again, even though they represent the tiniest fraction of the artwork still surviving from the Old Kingdom.
A good example is how Eurocentric websites and scholars talk on and on about the blonde hair of Meresankh III, yet ignore the HUNDREDS of dark brown images of Egyptians in that same tomb..... It is a trick of the eye and diversion from the truth.
Therefore, calling for papers is like Heru calling for his eye, meaning his soul or inner self. This being a reflection that the core of Egyptology for most of its history has been dedicated to DENYING the African identity of Ancient Egypt and hence cannot FIND WITHIN ITSELF the truth. The point is that this whole exercise makes Egyptology and scholarship on Egypt seem innocent and impartial, when in fact it isn't and THAT is the problem, not the lack of papers.
The Giza Mastaba series was started in 1902, yet only in the last 20 years have the results of these excavations from the last 100 years begun to be fully published. Likewise many other mastabas were fully documented way back in the 1930s, yet today one hardly ever gets a full glimpse of these monuments, even though with the modern digital technology and cameras that have been around for years......
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But I agree it sounds on the surface like they are very open to discussions about Egypt and its African identity.
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Yeah, but will they point out the sleight of hand, sampling bias and stacked decks being played in the academy or will they remain mum in the name of "collegiality"?
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^ He probably won't change it until Duhrab is educated or leaves the forum all together.
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Actually the idea that mainstream scholars need papers to understand the African identity of ancient Egypt is dishonest. That is like an astronomer saying he needs papers to understand the existence of stars. Then what the hell have you been looking at for the last 200 years?
The point is they ALREADY have the papers, pictures, statues, temples and everything else to show the African identity of ancient Egypt....
Indeed. This plus the fact that papers on the African identity of Egypt have been written about for decades and I don't think Diop was the first.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: papers on the African identity of Egypt have been written about for decades and I don't think Diop was the first.
really? You don't say? Did you come up with this all by yourself Mary or did you cut and paste from one of your favorite posters in here? lol
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quote:Key speakers include Dr Sally-Ann Ashton, Senior Assistant Keeper, Department of Antiquities, The Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge; Dr Abadayo Folorunso, Professor, Department of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria; Dr Maulena Karenga, Professor, Department of Africana Studies, California State University, USA; Dr Shomarka Keita, Research affiliations with the National Human Genome Center, Howard University and the Department of Anthropology, Smithsonian Institution, USA; Dr. José Lingna Nafafé, Lecturer, Department of Sociology, The University of Birmingham, UK; and Dr Kimani Nehusi, Senior Lecturer, Cass School of Education, University of East London, UK.
How come they don't have any "key speakers" from Egypt or Sudan? That would be more interesting than "key speakers" from UK, USA or Nigeria. It's like discussing ancient China without inviting a scholar from a department in east asia, very weird.
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^ Indeed, I've noticed this as well. Ahmed Saleh would be a good pick. Not only is he an Egyptian Egyptologists but one of the Supreme Council Antiquities and he is a proponent of truth-- Egypt's black African identity-- in blatant spite of his boss Hawass.
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Yeah, i beleive he also critized the Tutankhamun reconstruction and found it to be redicously "un-african".
But i guess inviting people like him and other Egyptians/Sudanese would give to much legitimacy to the case.
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An interesting perpective could come from a scholar that has knowledge of the customs of modern rural Egyptians and how they relate to ancient Egypt and Africa as a whole. This is an area largely neglected by academia.
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About 2 months ago I saw a short like you-tube film on this site called Afro- Video; about the connection of Egypt with the rest of Africa, esp. ( East Africa) thru headrests & how simular they are in ancient Egypt & other parts of Africa today. The wearing of leopard skins by Egyptians pharaohs & priest, also worn in other parts of Africa by chiefs (Kings) & priest made the connection very clear.
Headrests & lepoards skins from my understanding are only found in Africa, not the Middle East, (maybe with the exception of headrest in China) these are just 2 examples, but I feel very solid examples of Egypts connection with the rest of Black Africa. Has any one else seen this clip? Posts: 135 | From: Bay Area | Registered: Jun 2007
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^ Those are just two of the many aspects I myself have pointed out in this forum. You can find more here and here.
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Be careful of forums where African scholars and scholarship is demonized and slandered while European bias and racism is downplayed or ignored. The point being as long as Europeans can try and pretend to be unbiased, then African scholars can be presented as NOT having a basis for argument. It also means that the INSTITUTIONS THEMSELVES can still present themselves as legitimate, when in fact they are anything but. This is to avoid putting THEMSELVES on trial for the history of racism and the fact their institutions as founded on racism and imperialism. The fact is that anthropology was founded as a branch of race science, reinforcing the right of European colonists to conquer "inferior" natives around the world. It was a way of studying these "natives" and their habitat. Yet these institutions are smart and have turned the tables around and now try and pretend that Africans are the racists and biased historians. And that is still the subtle message of this good sounding event. As long as these institutions DENY the fact that their whole existence is BASED on the notion of WHITE supremacy and the inferiority of blacks and other natives, you cannot have an honest discussion about ancient Egypt. For example, WHO has been ignoring the fact that Egypt is in Africa? WHO has been downplaying this? And WHY do they need papers when Europeans "scholars" have more than enough data on their own showing the African roots of ancient Egypt? To pretend that only JUST NOW or JUST RECENTLY Europeans have "discovered" Egypt is in Africa or that ancient Egypt had African roots is a LIE and another example of outright fraud as MANY European scholars from Champollion onward to the modern day have been saying this for a very long time.
Bottom line, if it is shown that there is a bias against Africa in terms of Egyptology then the purpose should be to REMOVE the bias that has allowed Egypt's place in Africa to be ignored. It has to do with acknowledging the historically racist roots in the foundations of the institutions that TEACH Egyptian history which is the REASON for the African roots of ancient Egypt to be ignored in the first place. As long as these things are not discussed honestly and truthfully, then you will never correct the problem.
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Call for Papers for Egypt In Its African Context Call for Papers: "Egypt in its African Context", The Manchester Museum, University of Manchester, 3rd-4th October 2009
The African elements of the ancient Egyptian culture, and indeed its physical location in Africa, have frequently been ignored, and there exists a level of prejudice against suggestions that Egyptian culture can be situated within an African cultural context. The contextualising of ancient Egypt culturally and geographically within Africa, the concept of ancient Egypt as part of Black History, and the discussion of how the material is perceived and interpreted in the West have only recently begun to receive attention, and the discussion is still regarded as peripheral and often irrelevant.
The aims of the conference are to:
* address perceptions of ancient Egypt in the West, in scholarly writing and public understanding; * present the work of scholars working on African-centred Egyptology; * present a scholarly approach to the subject of Egypt in Africa to counterbalance the extreme Afrocentric views within which such a debate is often contextualised; * investigate how community groups and professional Egyptologists can transfer their knowledge and points of view.
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You are not only an insulting, vile racist Doug, but a hopeless dreamer as well.
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Anthropology as an institution is founded on racism. It was created by European colonists to explain and justify their conquest and exploitation of people around the world. These views are a direct outgrowth of thinkers like Voltaire, Hume, Rosseau and others MOST of whom were racists. It is the early anthropology societies in America and Europe who promoted the inferiority of "savage negroes" and their value as being little more than animals.
Voltaire:
quote: The race of the Negroes is a species of men different from ours … we can say that if their intelligence is not from another species of our understanding, she is much lower. They are not able of a great attention, they combine little and do not appear made nor for the advantages, nor for the abuses of our philosophy. They are originate from this part of Africa like the elephants and the monkeys; they think they are born in Guinea to be sold to the whites and to serve them.
But one must note that these same institutions are careful to sweep this history under the rug in order to maintain a veneer of legitimacy in science.
Yet and still anyone who studies skulls must not forget Samuel Gorge Morton, one of the most racist scientists of his time, whose views are still influential even in modern anthropological studies:
quote: "American School" ethnography
Samuel George Morton is often thought of as the originator of "American School" ethnography, a school of thought in antebellum American science that claimed the difference between humans was one of species rather than variety and is generally seen as the origin of scientific racism[2]. Morton's followers, particularly Josiah C. Nott and George Gliddon in their monumental tribute to Morton's work, Types of Mankind (1854), carried Morton's ideas further and claimed that his findings in fact supported the notion of polygenism. Morton himself had been reluctant to explicitly espouse polygenism because it was a major challenge to the biblical creation myth. Morton claimed that he could judge the intellectual capacity of a race by the skull size. A large skull meant a large brain and high intellectual capacity, and a small skull indicated a small brain and decreased intellectual capacity. Morton collected hundreds of human skulls from all over the world. By studying these skulls he decided at what point Caucasians stopped being Caucasians, and at what point Negroes began. Morton had many skulls from ancient Egypt, and concluded that the ancient Egyptians were not African, but were White. His two major monographs were the Crania Americana (1839), An Inquiry into the Distinctive Characteristics of the Aboriginal Race of America and Crania Aegyptiaca (1844).
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So you quote Voltaire, a man who lived over 200 years ago. You are a sick puppy Doug.
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No matter how much these institutions of academia try to deny it, their very existence is due the racism of their forefathers. And for egyptology this is especially important as the ONLY ones to ever make claims of a "white" Egypt were the Aryanist and racist scholars who tried desperately to put Egypt into the "white world" as white people. Today's Egyptology has not changed as it still pushes the same view and those views come from nowhere else but the racists of the past as no SCIENCE or EVIDENCE has ever been used to support such a claim. The only science that has ever been used to support such a claim is the racist science of European pseudo scholars, which is why Egyptology as an institution is STILL an institution of racism based on denying the African identity of ancient Egypt as this institution and the discovery of ancient Egypt ALL coincided with the rise of European colonialism around the world and the founding of America as institutions of racism.
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LOL! History is crap now is it? So much for you and being a HISTORIAN.
Once again, not only are you NOT a historian but you have shown yourself to be a liar and fraud of the first order as you do nothing but attempt to deny facts that are undeniable. The fact that American and European history are full of RACISM on the part of European whites is UNDENIABLE. The passage of time does not make this any LESS TRUE. In fact it makes it a FACT of history. You and your attempts to revise history are simply an example of the phony attempts that Europeans use to COVER UP their past in order to HIDE behind a facade of truth, nobility and honesty that does not exist. The whole point of this is to shield themselves from criticism by those who rightfully have a complaint against their abuses. It also allows them to CONTINUE acting in ways that are FUNDAMENTALLY BIASED all the while presenting a false front of being unbiased. In that sense HISTORY is most important as it exposes the reasons and purpose for the actions of the present, which is something some Europeans go to great lengths to deny and pretend does not exist, because it would fundamentally expose the CONTINUING elements of racism in many of their social, political and academic endeavors.
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Sooner or later you guys will realize who the paid troll is.
No one and I mean NO ONE is that stupid. Unless of course they are just pretending to be.
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^ You'd be surprised then at how stupid people can be. Pat has been posting in this forum for almost a decade now and despite his exposure to all the mountains of evidence we have cited he still spouts the same nonsense he's spouted when he first came here! I really don't think he's been 'paid', on the contrary I believe he is genuinely an idiot for free. Posts: 26267 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Patriot represents the truth of white supremacy in its purest form, which is essentially dogma. It is not something based on pure logic or rational analysis of the facts. This is why even though the facts of ancient Egypt being black African are overwhelming, Egyptology and its European founders are still running around saying otherwise. These institutions are founded on, funded by and maintained by such dogma and logic and reasoning are irrelevant.
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Main Entry: dog·ma Listen to the pronunciation of dogma Pronunciation: \ˈdȯg-mə, ˈdäg-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural dogmas also dog·ma·ta Listen to the pronunciation of dogmata \-mə-tə\ Etymology: Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem — more at decent Date: 1638 1 a: something held as an established opinion ; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b: a code of such tenets <pedagogical dogma> c: a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Patriot represents the truth of white supremacy in its purest form, which is essentially dogma. It is not something based on pure logic or rational analysis of the facts. This is why even though the facts of ancient Egypt being black African are overwhelming, Egyptology and its European founders are still running around saying otherwise. These institutions are founded on, funded by and maintained by such dogma and logic and reasoning are irrelevant.
You are absolutely on the money! It is a most precise term used to describe these clowns who swarm here in order to disrupt civil discourse that threatens their religion and scares them like to devil...
Dogmatic: characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts <a dogmatic critic> 2 : of or relating to dogma Racialism is a religion, and religion defines dogma:
Dogma: a statement or body of statements concerning faith or morals proclaimed by a church. (Europeans believe that Jesus was a Swede with long hair & East Asians believe that Buddha was Sino-Asian rather than what he actually was - a North Indian prince); dogma conveniently moves aside logic and fact.
That's why these topics go on forever, because no amount of facts will change their beliefs...
P.S., You notice the new idiot poster here?
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Anthropology as an institution is founded on racism. It was created by European colonists to explain and justify their conquest and exploitation of people around the world. These views are a direct outgrowth of thinkers like Voltaire, Hume, Rosseau and others MOST of whom were racists. It is the early anthropology societies in America and Europe who promoted the inferiority of "savage negroes" and their value as being little more than animals.
Voltaire:
quote: The race of the Negroes is a species of men different from ours … we can say that if their intelligence is not from another species of our understanding, she is much lower. They are not able of a great attention, they combine little and do not appear made nor for the advantages, nor for the abuses of our philosophy. They are originate from this part of Africa like the elephants and the monkeys; they think they are born in Guinea to be sold to the whites and to serve them.
But one must note that these same institutions are careful to sweep this history under the rug in order to maintain a veneer of legitimacy in science.
Yet and still anyone who studies skulls must not forget Samuel Gorge Morton, one of the most racist scientists of his time, whose views are still influential even in modern anthropological studies:
quote: "American School" ethnography
Samuel George Morton is often thought of as the originator of "American School" ethnography, a school of thought in antebellum American science that claimed the difference between humans was one of species rather than variety and is generally seen as the origin of scientific racism[2]. Morton's followers, particularly Josiah C. Nott and George Gliddon in their monumental tribute to Morton's work, Types of Mankind (1854), carried Morton's ideas further and claimed that his findings in fact supported the notion of polygenism. Morton himself had been reluctant to explicitly espouse polygenism because it was a major challenge to the biblical creation myth. Morton claimed that he could judge the intellectual capacity of a race by the skull size. A large skull meant a large brain and high intellectual capacity, and a small skull indicated a small brain and decreased intellectual capacity. Morton collected hundreds of human skulls from all over the world. By studying these skulls he decided at what point Caucasians stopped being Caucasians, and at what point Negroes began. Morton had many skulls from ancient Egypt, and concluded that the ancient Egyptians were not African, but were White. His two major monographs were the Crania Americana (1839), An Inquiry into the Distinctive Characteristics of the Aboriginal Race of America and Crania Aegyptiaca (1844).
This "tradition" has been carried on by some in "modern genetics".
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