I had a picture to put here but for some reason its saying no remote imaging allowed on here ????confused im interested in hair ancient hair styles and to modern day African and Egyptian . Can any one here give more information on nappy hair or are you yourself got nappy hair.
Posted by X-Ras (Member # 10328) on :
I have nappy hair and proud of it. I probably have the biggest Afro is the country when my hair isn't cornrowed.
Posted by Mansa Musa (Member # 6800) on :
Upload your image to photobutcket. It should be fine.
Hair is hair, IMO. I myself have wavy/curly hair. I enhance the waves with comb thru wave gel and a wave cap.
When it grows out I have a loosely curled Afro.
I've heard it said that the Ancient Egyptians wore wigs but I think they also had natural hairstyles. I've seen alot of artwork with men wearing Afros and women with braids.
Indigenous Africans' hair ranges from the spiral tuft forms of Khoisan to the curly and wavy forms of Ethiopians. So-called "kinky" hair lies between these two extremes and is not as 'tight' as the spiral form or as loose or straight as the curly and especially wavy forms.
Judging from the many tomb paintings, the Egyptians had hair similar to other northeast Africans-- curly to wavy but no doubt there were some 'kinky' types present.
^The above picture is said to be of an Egyptian man with his natural hair and not a wig due to the fact that his ear shows.
Posted by Wally (Member # 2936) on :
The Mdu Ntr word for a lock of Egyptian hair is; Napy...
Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
^ touche'
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wally: The Mdu Ntr word for a lock of Egyptian hair is; Napy...
Yeah, I almost forgot about that! LOL
What a coincidence!
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by X-Ras: I have nappy hair and proud of it. I probably have the biggest Afro in the country when my hair isn't cornrowed.
The symbolic/conventional table seems sensible but I'd like to know the source for this art interpretation. From what I have heard the Egyptians did not give detail on the symbolism behind their artwork and opinions have varied among Egyptologists based on personal interpretation.
Posted by Masonic Rebel (Member # 9549) on :
quote: God put the proof on the Black Man's head .
Question is this a Kola Boof quote ?
I believe so and I agree with this statment.
Posted by Mansa Musa (Member # 6800) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masonic Rebel: Question is this a Kola Boof quote ?
I believe so and I agree with this statment.
I think its a common Black pride remark that wooly hair was a divine trait of the "original" people. The spiral of the hair coinciding with the rotation of the planets, galaxies, and double helix.
I personally think it is lunacy but I don't protest too much unless someone is saying something that is clearly hateful.
Let people have their religion as long as they don't force it on me.
Posted by King_Scorpion (Member # 4818) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Indigenous Africans' hair ranges from the spiral tuft forms of Khoisan to the curly and wavy forms of Ethiopians. So-called "kinky" hair lies between these two extremes and is not as 'tight' as the spiral form or as loose or straight as the curly and especially wavy forms.
Judging from the many tomb paintings, the Egyptians had hair similar to other northeast Africans-- curly to wavy but no doubt there were some 'kinky' types present.
^The above picture is said to be of an Egyptian man with his natural hair and not a wig due to the fact that his ear shows.
I have kinky hair, but realistically, it's not AS nappy as some people's. When my head is freshly shaven, it's VERY fine actually and naturally wavy. Some Black people have joked with me that I have Indian in me because my hair can look so fine at times. LOL!!!
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
God put the proof also on the Black Woman's head
Angela Yvonne Davis - Professor, University of California, Santa Cruz
Quote: "It is both humiliating and humbling to discover that a single generation after the events that constructed me as a public personality, I am remembered as a "hairdo".
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Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: God put the proof also on the Black Woman's head
Angela Yvonne Davis - Professor, University of California, Santa Cruz
Quote: "It is both humiliating and humbling to discover that a single generation after the events that constructed me as a public personality, I am remembered as a "hairdo".
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So my dear are you saying your this woman in the picture ,well well i would be happy with hairdo like that and very proud that God made me the proof of "big hair"
Posted by Khadija_Diagne (Member # 10149) on :
i love my "nappy hair" (althought it is in locks now) Imagine this experience when I got married, and my husband saw my hair for the first time..... Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
Hi Khadija,im see your over the other side didnt know it was your area to come here nice to see you here ,im read from time to time there but sometimes i may answer then think what the heck no-way "lol"gone quiet there im just reading some story of love uhmm interesting .Love to show your ""nappy locks" with us please.
Posted by Honi B (Member # 12991) on :
i love my "nappy hair" (althought it is in locks now) Imagine this experience when I got married, and my husband saw my hair for the first time.....
Ha! I'm such a visual person , sometimes too visual . Are you saying that you were a virgin when you were married (thats nice) or .. what experience?! (sorry, could you explain for me?)
Posted by Willing Thinker {What Box} (Member # 10819) on :
I just wear my hair straght out, it's a closer to the nappy side, which is fine, because I like nappy better.
I really doesn't take much for my hair to be loose and curly, people on my football were asking if I too were mexican or part mexican or something lol.
Guess they don't know that Mexicans are really just a blend of peoples, Americans, Europeans, and Africans.
Any way, I hadn't really sought info. on african hair and Djehuti made an interesting assertion:
that nappy(kinky) hair is between spiral tuft and waivy/curly types.
I preiously thought kinky was the kinkiest type.
quote:Mansa said:
I think nappy is considered to be deragotory nowadays (e.g. Don Imus's "Nappy headed-hoes" comment).
Kinky and frizzy are more acceptable, or just plain curly (wooly?).
I really didn't give a hoot, until everybody started making a big deal out of it.
What's sad is that you're observation is right, nappy is a bit pejorative. Not so much just ho, as if you were to replace nappy headed ho's with big booty ho's, you have a potential [funny] positive. Though we would have then taken a look at our vernacular.
Anyway, a much better point is
'white's' have -> pale, pasty and fair
neutrals, negatives and positives respectively,
whereas we have -> kinky, wooly, and such.
All nuetrals and potential negatives.
I say nappy should be happy!
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: The above picture is said to be of an Egyptian man with his natural hair and not a wig due to the fact that his ear shows.
Djehuti, may I ask where particularly did you get all that detailed knowledge of Kemetian art, and really everything else Kemetian? -An accumulation over the years? Man, that's a lot of knowledge.
MAybe we need a thread about the meanings of art, and NOT just 'racial' nor spiritual, but how to tell some stuff.
Boy I've seen you identify some stuff! Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
Do you use oil for your "nappy hair" im use coconut or home-made base with honey and almond .
Posted by Khadija_Diagne (Member # 10149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Inmybackgarden.: Hi Khadija,im see your over the other side didnt know it was your area to come here nice to see you here ,im read from time to time there but sometimes i may answer then think what the heck no-way "lol"gone quiet there im just reading some story of love uhmm interesting .Love to show your ""nappy locks" with us please.
LOL, yes, I am all over the place, i just make comments on almost every thing. Yes, I love my hair, but honestly, i did not even like my hair until about 4 years ago. At that point in my life, i learn to love all of me. I stop putting chemicals in my hair, and went all nautral 100%. I went about one year, then i twisted it to locks, and it just grew and grew.
I have been in hijab for since October 2005, so very sorry, can not share with you. Posted by Khadija_Diagne (Member # 10149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Honi B: i love my "nappy hair" (althought it is in locks now) Imagine this experience when I got married, and my husband saw my hair for the first time.....
Ha! I'm such a visual person , sometimes too visual . Are you saying that you were a virgin when you were married (thats nice) or .. what experience?! (sorry, could you explain for me?)
Oh its ok let me explain.
I was not virgin on my wedding night ( i am divorcee with 3 children). But my husband was (yes this was nice)
When I began to practice Islam almost 2 years ago, I cover my hair. So when I met my husband, he did not see it until our wedding night (which was 2 days after we met in person) I had explain the whole hair thing to him, because i know he seen old pics of me, before I was muslim, and my hair was different.
Well our first night together was very funny, cause he asked Wow, how do you do that to your hair, so I explain to him. He actually loves my hair, and is always touching it and trying to learn how to twist it. It is actually so funny if you can imagaine.
I asked is he ok, and he said yes, he love it,cause it is different, and he never see anything like it. Now i teach him how to do it for me, so I would have to wait for my lazy daughter to find time in her busy life to help me maintain it.
Posted by Khadija_Diagne (Member # 10149) on :
quote:Originally posted by Inmybackgarden.: Do you use oil for your "nappy hair" im use coconut or home-made base with honey and almond .
Yes that's what's up, dont for get the shea butter! 100% natural, if i cant eat it, it is not going in my hair. Actually, i make all my hair and skin products, right in my own kitchen.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by Inmybackgarden.: Do you use oil for your "nappy hair" I use coconut or home-made base with honey and almond .
I use 100% Jojoba Oil for my hair and face. It makes my hair and skin real soft. I also use it as my bath oil.
Unlike common vegetable oils, jojoba oil is chemically very similar to human sebum. Sebum acts to protect and waterproof hair and skin, and keep them from becoming dry, brittle, and cracked.
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Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
quote:Originally posted by Khadija_Diagne:
quote:Originally posted by Inmybackgarden.: Do you use oil for your "nappy hair" im use coconut or home-made base with honey and almond .
Yes that's what's up, dont for get the shea butter! 100% natural, if i cant eat it, it is not going in my hair. Actually, i make all my hair and skin products, right in my own kitchen.
Depends on how and what you do with it and im been using this method for over 30 years now my mam and me dad used to put just pure amla with rose oil in it which im use on my children but with me losing my hair trhough illness now its mostly straight and corse hair bushy
Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
quote:Originally posted by Khadija_Diagne:
quote:Originally posted by Inmybackgarden.: Hi Khadija,im see your over the other side didnt know it was your area to come here nice to see you here ,im read from time to time there but sometimes i may answer then think what the heck no-way "lol"gone quiet there im just reading some story of love uhmm interesting .Love to show your ""nappy locks" with us please.
LOL, yes, I am all over the place, i just make comments on almost every thing. Yes, I love my hair, but honestly, i did not even like my hair until about 4 years ago. At that point in my life, i learn to love all of me. I stop putting chemicals in my hair, and went all nautral 100%. I went about one year, then i twisted it to locks, and it just grew and grew.
I have been in hijab for since October 2005, so very sorry, can not share with you.
I was joking with you im not into all that its personal and showing your picture here would be a big mistake if your clever you could use disguise "joking"
Posted by Khadija_Diagne (Member # 10149) on :
Oh LOL I got it now Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Nappy is only pejorative to those who've imbibed a foreign value system and are ashamed of their features that don't emulate those of their white god colonizers . Nap is the measure of a sheep's wool. The higher the nap count the better quality the wool (or in the case of cotton, the terrycloth).
quote: "nap" arrived in English around 1440 from the Middle Dutch "noppe," meaning "tuft of wool." The "nap" of wool or cloth is the layer of projecting fibers on the surface,
Nappy hair is high quality hair, or at least so thought the ancient Hebrew authors of the sacred scriptures that describe the Ancient of Days as having "the pure wool" hair.
quote: I beheld till thrones were placed, and one that was ancient of days did sit: his raiment was as white snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, and the wheels thereof burning fire.
Daniel 7:9
So just how and when and by whom did the very hair texture of the holiest quality become pejorative and who bought into that perversion of spirituality and why?
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^LOL @ how this discussion turned into how each one takes care of his or her hair.
quote:Originally posted by Willing Thinker {What Box}: Djehuti, may I ask where particularly did you get all that detailed knowledge of Kemetian art, and really everything else Kemetian? -An accumulation over the years? Man, that's a lot of knowledge.
MAybe we need a thread about the meanings of art, and NOT just 'racial' nor spiritual, but how to tell some stuff.
Boy I've seen you identify some stuff!
Actually, right now much of what I know about these 'details' of Egyptian culture and history come from this forum!
After several more years in this forum, you'll have such knowledge yourself. LOL
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Nappy is only pejorative to those who've imbibed a foreign value system and are ashamed of their features that don't emulate those of their white god colonizers . Nap is the measure of a sheep's wool. The higher the nap count the better quality the wool (or in the case of cotton, the terrycloth).
Takruri is correct-- hair texture, like any other physical traits whether it be skin color or facial features are "measured" or "valued" by the culture or society one lives in. If one lived in a society dominated by people with straighter hair long enough, those who do not have such a trait will eventually adopt and accept the notion that they do not measure up or not good enough. They devalue or value themselves upon the standard set by those in charge. Hence, colorism (favoring of lighter skin) is an issue for African Americans as well. Heck, even 'brown' hispanics and Southeast Asians suffer from it.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Takruri is correct-- hair texture, like any other physical traits whether it be skin color or facial features are "measured" or "valued" by the culture or society one lives in. If one lived in a society dominated by people with straighter hair long enough, those who do not have such a trait will eventually adopt and accept the notion that they do not measure up or not good enough. They devalue or value themselves upon the standard set by those in charge.
The year 1906
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Only to be used in dressing the Hair and it will make short harsh, kinky hair behave and stay in place if used as directed at the same time imparts a beautiful gloss to the hair.
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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Ah, one of the premier BA entreprenaurs who made part of her fortune off of "bad hair" to look like "good hair."
Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
"wow"
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Matted hair, which in the above case appears to have been nappy before matting. However, all grades of hair will mat when left undisturbed over a length of time.
Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
My cousins only seem to wash theres once in every 3months can you answer this for me they are not here for me to ask them and no computer where they are .I Know theres a reason for this to why they do this but they never tell .
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
I wash and oil mine frequently to keep them healthy and free of sweat and dirt.
Posted by Inmybackgarden. (Member # 13388) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I wash and oil mine frequently to keep them healthy and free of sweat and dirt.
Nice answer but i can assure you they are clean people i know its to do with the texture of hair or maybe its a culture thing i actually dont know .
Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
Hair was a problem for me when I was growing up. When I was a preteenager I watched the Spanish soap operas on television and all the women had long, straight hair. (They never show black people on Hispanic television in this country, and when they show Native Americans [from Central or South America - I do not like the term "Indian"] that do not look mixed with European elements, they are always servants on the hacienda who say "Don" and "Dona" to their white and mestizo overlords.) I would get a towel and put it over my head, which I then shook to get the feeling that I had long, flowing hair. Later on for some time I prayed to god that when I woke up my hair would be long.
That obviously did not happen, I stopped believing in god (at least the Judeo-Christian one) many years ago, and I stopped using chemicals in my hair two years ago. I now have shoulder-length dreadlocks, and I want them to grow past my waist. Also, I would not change my hair for anything.
Posted by Ebony Allen (Member # 12771) on :
I used to put a shirt over my head and pretend that it was my hair and I would pretend that I was white.
Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
I think the media are so toxic for Black children when they are growing up and exposed to so many subtle and not-so-subtle anti-black messages in newspapers, magazines, and on television. If I ever had a child I would not expose him/her to any of that rubbish. Plus, the American media are so biased. The only images they have of Africans is of poor, desperate, starving people who cannot govern themselves. Of course, they never go into the history of colonization and imperialism, and the fact that the CIA assassinates leaders such as Lumumba whose policies are anathema to Uncle Sam. Then they wonder why they cannot elect their leaders democratically, when Blacks are not allowed to vote in places like Florida.
I would probably home-school my child too.
Posted by Sundiata (Member # 13096) on :
I love my little dreadlocks and wear them as a crown.. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Neith-Athena if you mind me asking, why did you stop believing in God? Was it really because of the hair or other things?
You know that in Judeo-Christian belief, God is the god of everyone. And that ultimately, Christian, Judaic, and Islamic beliefs stem from a common Afrasian tradition that began in Africa anyway.
I think the problem is that Christianity was been 'white-washed' for too long.
Being raised Catholic I am far too weary of the icons of (white) Jesus and (white) Mary and even (white) God which is blasphemous and even breaks one of the Ten Commandments (thou shall make no graven images).
As for soaps, it is the same situation in the Philippines with all actors and actresses being light-skinned (mestiza) or northern Asian looking. Every now and then you see a black 'Negrito' but they usually play 'comedic' parts only. The Funny thing is you seem some Filipinos who get tans and 'frizz' up their hair to emulate their favorite African American artists LOL.
Posted by Willing Thinker {What Box} (Member # 10819) on :
^Thank you Djehuti.
quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I used to put a shirt over my head and pretend that it was my hair and I would pretend that I was white.
I used to do this too. Not to feel 'white', but just to feel sexy .
Or maybe to have straight hair.
Or to immitate and make fun of the straight hair I noticed on many females, and white people in particular.
All I remember is that I would have fun and act goofy doing it. Moving my head and body in retarded, and circular motions to see the effect of the 'hair' or shirt, which I may have only realized looked like hair after a min.
By the way, in case my earlier post made seem like I have my hair grown out, I don't. I way describing how it was when it was grown out.
~ W. Box? ~ Posted by Willing Thinker {What Box} (Member # 10819) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mansa Musa: I think its a common Black pride remark that wooly hair was a divine trait of the "original" people. The spiral of the hair coinciding with the rotation of the planets, galaxies, and double helix.
I personally think it is lunacy but I don't protest too much unless someone is saying something that is clearly hateful.
Let people have their religion as long as they don't force it on me.
WHAT?!
It is true.
Nappy(: = -> super) hair is symbolic of the deep, supernatural mystical, immensity, and the devine Jurisdiction of the universe
just as white(= flowing) hair is representative of the beauty prestige and majesty and power of the wind -
Woo Winters YO STUFF IIZ GOOD! (I'll be quite now C. W. 'For you get me )
Posted by Nice Vidadavida *sigh* (Member # 13372) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Neith-Athena if you mind me asking, why did you stop believing in God? Was it really because of the hair or other things?
You know that in Judeo-Christian belief, God is the god of everyone. And that ultimately, Christian, Judaic, and Islamic beliefs stem from a common Afrasian tradition that began in Africa anyway.
I think the problem is that Christianity was been 'white-washed' for too long.
Being raised Catholic I am far too weary of the icons of (white) Jesus and (white) Mary and even (white) God which is blasphemous and even breaks one of the Ten Commandments (thou shall make no graven images).
As for soaps, it is the same situation in the Philippines with all actors and actresses being light-skinned (mestiza) or northern Asian looking. Every now and then you see a black 'Negrito' but they usually play 'comedic' parts only. The Funny thing is you seem some Filipinos who get tans and 'frizz' up their hair to emulate their favorite African American artists LOL.
I see no difference between Whites/Arabs/Middle Easterners/Jews.
They are all the same comparitively to blacks. As far as the Judeo-Christian God being God to everyone...that is circular reasoning. The Bible/Quran nor it's God can validate itself with itself.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Ancient Kemetian hair utensils:
What do you guys make of both men and women wearing wigs and extensions? I remember a past thread where someone cited a source which stated men wore more elaborate wigs than women although I don't know how true this was.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Matted hair, which in the above case appears to have been nappy before matting. However, all grades of hair will mat when left undisturbed over a length of time.
This is not true. Bone straight hair don't mat at all.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: I used to put a shirt over my head and pretend that it was my hair and I would pretend that I was white.
I heard a lot of black women say this. This is shocking. Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
I have nappy hair, but it is not thick; it's thin. It also straightens easily. If I wash my hair and braid it afterwards then take the braid out, my hair is straight. I have to set my hair with rollers to get an afro.
Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
Melanin Factors
Karanja Keita Carroll
The most important aspect of hair on one’s head is to protect the scalp from UV rays. This reflects the variations in tight curled hair to straight hair, depending ultimately on the relationship between humans and their respective environment. Melanin, in the hair, reflects the ability to absorb UV rays. While this area is probably the most unclear and confusing since hair grows out of the epidermal tissue and epidermal tissue is an outgrowth of the ectoderm, there should be some significance to internal functioning.
Melanin in the brain increases from lower primates and reaches its highest level in the black human (King, 2001a, 2001b). The Central Nervous System (CNS) maintains bodily control by integrating all body functions. Since melanin is found in the CNS, it allows for quicker reaction time, mental awareness and a greater capacity for the transmission of brain impulses (Owens Moore, 1995). http://astro.temple.edu/~karanja/Melanin%20Factors.htm Posted by Ebony Allen (Member # 12771) on :
Actually Bettyboo, straight hair does mat if it's not washed for a very long time. And that's not healthy either.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: Actually Bettyboo, straight hair does mat if it's not washed for a very long time. And that's not healthy either.
Have you ever witness this? I never seen white bums hair mat. I would love to see these white people or any other person with bone straight hair with "matted hair".
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
It's not lack of washing that mats the hair, It's lack of combing or brushing. It doesn't matter what grade of hair. "Dreadlocks" will result.
In any large metropol one can observe even far east Asians -- a people with hair that's the straightest on earth -- with matted hair.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^Ebony Allen and Takruri are correct, all hair matts if left unkept or washed, especially people with straight hair! The white 'bums' who you saw must have washed or groomed their hair at a shelter or some place for them not to have matted hair, but I have seen my share of white homeless people with very matted hair. I have also seen alot Asians (who have the straightest hair of all) in very matted (messed up) condition from the very poor areas of Asia where water for washing is not available.
The fact is people with long 'straigter' hair have sucutaneous glands in their scalp that produce more oil. For people with such a type of hair to go for long periods of time without washing it, especially in areas that are hot and humid... well it doesn't look pretty! I have seen pictures of white people who have been in the tropics without bathing for days, and their hair can turn green with fungus. Black people I assume don't have that problem, since their hair does not grow as long or produce as much oils. It makes sense considering the adaptation to the environment.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Melanin Factors
Karanja Keita Carroll
The most important aspect of hair on one’s head is to protect the scalp from UV rays. This reflects the variations in tight curled hair to straight hair, depending ultimately on the relationship between humans and their respective environment. Melanin, in the hair, reflects the ability to absorb UV rays. While this area is probably the most unclear and confusing since hair grows out of the epidermal tissue and epidermal tissue is an outgrowth of the ectoderm, there should be some significance to internal functioning.
Melanin in the brain increases from lower primates and reaches its highest level in the black human (King, 2001a, 2001b). The Central Nervous System (CNS) maintains bodily control by integrating all body functions. Since melanin is found in the CNS, it allows for quicker reaction time, mental awareness and a greater capacity for the transmission of brain impulses (Owens Moore, 1995). http://astro.temple.edu/~karanja/Melanin%20Factors.htm
The ironic thing is that people with with straighter hair, like whites have to worry about heat damage to their hair caused by the sun. Blacks, or at least those with their natural hair texture don't have to worry about that unless they straighten their hair.
Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
Djehuti,
I do not mind your asking me at all. And no, it was not because of something so silly as my hair. It was more about Christianity being white-washed for too long, and having to bow down to "an angry desert god," and the tirades against other, especially pagan, especially African religions, and the image of an elderly, bearded, WHITE MALE. Despite being born in a communist country I was baptized Catholic but did not, however, receive a religious education because my mother and grandmother had not received it themselves. Also, the idea of sin is ridiculous to me. Oh, and let us not forget, the history of what Cesaire calls Christian pedantry to justify slavery, colonization, imperialism, and white supremacy. And the fact that in the United States the people of the "Bible Belt" seem to think highly of capital punishment. I think there is a problem when some persons have to insist that theirs is the one and only true god (probably a sign of insecurity in their belief, which leads them to try to impose it on others). I also have a problem with organized religion in general, even "Eastern" ones such as Buddhism, because there is always a doctrine and dogma that proclaims itself as the one and only, absolute truth. And I do not think there is any such thing.
I think that the three "great monotheistic" religions have done much more harm than good in this world, especially Islam and Christianity.
So I am spiritual and have something of an interest in esoteric matters. Albeit a bit of an agnostic, I would have to say that if forced to give my definitin of god, I would say that god is the totality of what is and what isn't, is infinte and eternal, is beyond good and evil, and is present in everything and everyone, so that nothing is intrinscally better or sacred or profane. We are all particular, individualized mental and physical incarnations of god, and everything we conceive of is part of god. Being limited we cannot conceive of all of what god is, and that is why there are specific manifestations, images, gods in the plural, to whom we attribute particular aspects of creation, so that is why we have neteru, orisha, etc. Maybe it is wishful thinking of mine, but I like to believe that there is an infinity of universes out there, and that since there are 6.5 billion people on this planet, there are 6.5 billion universes, because everyone has a different point of view. No one can ever enter the mind of another, so each of us is sacred in this sense. If I were to subscribe to a single dogma, then it would be compassion, to suffer with: do unto thy neighbor as onto thyself, because thou art thy neighbor. Compassion takes imagination to place oneself in another's shoes, and apparently many persons lack it.
This may sound like incoherent, New Age rambling to some, but that is what I believe. And of course, if I ultimately decide to be an atheist, that does not mean that there is no god, because atheism is part of human experience and thus part of god as I have described it/her/him above.
I had a dream earlier this afternoon that I was talking to a white man who was supposedly open-minded and scientific, but sounded Christian in his views when it came to religion, which I saw as a contradiction. So in trying to explain my point of view about the oneness of everything I said that everything consists of atoms or energy, and so at its base everything is one.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Neith-Athena if you mind me asking, why did you stop believing in God? Was it really because of the hair or other things?
You know that in Judeo-Christian belief, God is the god of everyone. And that ultimately, Christian, Judaic, and Islamic beliefs stem from a common Afrasian tradition that began in Africa anyway.
I think the problem is that Christianity was been 'white-washed' for too long.
Being raised Catholic I am far too weary of the icons of (white) Jesus and (white) Mary and even (white) God which is blasphemous and even breaks one of the Ten Commandments (thou shall make no graven images).
As for soaps, it is the same situation in the Philippines with all actors and actresses being light-skinned (mestiza) or northern Asian looking. Every now and then you see a black 'Negrito' but they usually play 'comedic' parts only. The Funny thing is you seem some Filipinos who get tans and 'frizz' up their hair to emulate their favorite African American artists LOL.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Here is an interesting site on Egyptian hairstyles:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Ancient Kemetian hair utensils:
What do you guys make of both men and women wearing wigs and extensions? I remember a past thread where someone cited a source which stated men wore more elaborate wigs than women although I don't know how true this was.
It may be coincidence, but those combs remind me of:
BTW, how can you tell the difference between combs designed for cynotrichous and heliotrichous hair?
Posted by Willing Thinker {What Box} (Member # 10819) on :
^Good question.
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: I have nappy hair, but it is not thick; it's thin. It also straightens easily. If I wash my hair and braid it afterwards then take the braid out, my hair is straight. I have to set my hair with rollers to get an afro.
aH, LIKE MY BROTHERS.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tyrannosaurus: It may be coincidence, but those combs remind me of:
BTW, how can you tell the difference between combs designed for cynotrichous and heliotrichous hair?
LOL I don't think it is coincidence. African and African American 'picks' were made for thick hair. That Egyptian combs were of the same making is not surprising. In fact I have even seen photos in the past of Egyptian combs or picks with images carved on the handle like you see in many African combs and African American picks. These images were mostly images of animals, others were of human faces. I wish I could find them and post them sometime here.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Have you seen combs from any other ancient cultures?
Of course African combs are African regardless if fine toothed pick toothed.
But who manufactures the AA picks?
Posted by Wahali (Member # 13550) on :
Yes this business about God putting the "Proof" on the black man's head comes from the Egyptian-Sudanese writer Kola Boof.
"Small ivory statuette found in the temple at Nekhen (Hierakonpolis) may represent the beginnings of the typical "dynastic' style in sculpture in the round." - Source: Egypt during the Old Kingdom (1989)
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Neith-Athena: Djehuti,
I do not mind your asking me at all. And no, it was not because of something so silly as my hair. It was more about Christianity being white-washed for too long, and having to bow down to "an angry desert god," and the tirades against other, especially pagan, especially African religions, and the image of an elderly, bearded, WHITE MALE. Despite being born in a communist country I was baptized Catholic but did not, however, receive a religious education because my mother and grandmother had not received it themselves. Also, the idea of sin is ridiculous to me. Oh, and let us not forget, the history of what Cesaire calls Christian pedantry to justify slavery, colonization, imperialism, and white supremacy. And the fact that in the United States the people of the "Bible Belt" seem to think highly of capital punishment. I think there is a problem when some persons have to insist that theirs is the one and only true god (probably a sign of insecurity in their belief, which leads them to try to impose it on others). I also have a problem with organized religion in general, even "Eastern" ones such as Buddhism, because there is always a doctrine and dogma that proclaims itself as the one and only, absolute truth. And I do not think there is any such thing.
I too am against organized religions for the same reasons you spoke of. Perhaps the perfect example would be the denomination I was raised in-- Catholic. Of course you don't need me to tell you the corrupt history of the Catholic Church or Christian Churches in general. And the pervasive (and often perverse) belief that just because a man or group of men are supposedly speaking in authority for God they are always right or can always get away doing any wrongs they committed. By the way, I also agree with what you said about Buddhism, since even the early Buddhists persecuted the indigenous religions of the of the people they sought to convert! By the way, what communist country are you from if you mind me asking?
quote:I think that the three "great monotheistic" religions have done much more harm than good in this world, especially Islam and Christianity.
I don't have as much a pessimistic view as you. I personally think that the main two Abrahamic religions-- Christianity and Islam have done just as much good as they have harm. Judaism, I don't know but other than some of the things the soldiers of the Israeli state have done, I cannot think of any atrocities Jews in particular have done to others in the name of their religion.
quote:So I am spiritual and have something of an interest in esoteric matters. Albeit a bit of an agnostic, I would have to say that if forced to give my definitin of god, I would say that god is the totality of what is and what isn't, is infinte and eternal, is beyond good and evil, and is present in everything and everyone, so that nothing is intrinscally better or sacred or profane. We are all particular, individualized mental and physical incarnations of god, and everything we conceive of is part of god. Being limited we cannot conceive of all of what god is, and that is why there are specific manifestations, images, gods in the plural, to whom we attribute particular aspects of creation, so that is why we have neteru, orisha, etc. Maybe it is wishful thinking of mine, but I like to believe that there is an infinity of universes out there, and that since there are 6.5 billion people on this planet, there are 6.5 billion universes, because everyone has a different point of view. No one can ever enter the mind of another, so each of us is sacred in this sense. If I were to subscribe to a single dogma, then it would be compassion, to suffer with: do unto thy neighbor as onto thyself, because thou art thy neighbor. Compassion takes imagination to place oneself in another's shoes, and apparently many persons lack it.
This may sound like incoherent, New Age rambling to some, but that is what I believe. And of course, if I ultimately decide to be an atheist, that does not mean that there is no god, because atheism is part of human experience and thus part of god as I have described it/her/him above.
I had a dream earlier this afternoon that I was talking to a white man who was supposedly open-minded and scientific, but sounded Christian in his views when it came to religion, which I saw as a contradiction. So in trying to explain my point of view about the oneness of everything I said that everything consists of atoms or energy, and so at its base everything is one.
I myself am considered an independent Christian who seeks the original teachings of the original Christians before its corruption by European paganism or Zorastrian dualistic beliefs about God. I believe God as a higher power that is pervasive as well as personal. So is just my belief.
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Have you seen combs from any other ancient cultures?
quote:I myself am considered an independent Christian who seeks the original teachings of the original Christians before its corruption by European paganism or Zorastrian dualistic beliefs about God. I believe God as a higher power that is pervasive as well as personal. So is just my belief.
You probably should look at some of the "Eastern" Christian churches of the Levant. IIRC, they have preserved the distinctly Asiatic character of the original Christian faith.
Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
What do you mean by "distinctly Asiatic"? Can you explain what "Asiatic" means, just as you cannot explain what "Caucasoid" means? I had to sit in a class on Greco-Roman religion and listen to a professor speak of the influence of "Egyptians and other Asiatics on Greek religion." Ugh! It reminds of "Oriental," which in turn reminds me of images of exoticism, decadent men and lascivous women, the "Arabian Nights" and its Black slaves fornicating with the princess and her handmaidens, and a "race" that is inferior to Caucasians but can easily be claimed by them so that Hegel can say that civilization goes from "East" to "West." Also, "east" of what? Are not directions relative? For the Ancient Egyptians east would be west and vice versa.
And as for Semites, they originated in Africa. So would "Asiatic" really be accurate?
Please elucidate.
Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
What good do you think Christianity and Islam have done in the world? For Blacks, I see none.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
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I don't have as much a pessimistic view as you. I personally think that the main two Abrahamic religions-- Christianity and Islam have done just as much good as they have harm. Judaism, I don't know but other than some of the things the soldiers of the Israeli state have done, I cannot think of any atrocities Jews in particular have done to others in the name of their religion.
[/qb][/QUOTE]I myself am considered an independent Christian who seeks the original teachings of the original Christians before its corruption by European paganism or Zorastrian dualistic beliefs about God. I believe God as a higher power that is pervasive as well as personal. So is just my belief. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I thought that Zoroastrian dualism was a part of Christianity from the very beginning. Could you please explain what the original teachings of the original Christians were?
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: It's not lack of washing that mats the hair, It's lack of combing or brushing. It doesn't matter what grade of hair. "Dreadlocks" will result.
In any large metropol one can observe even far east Asians -- a people with hair that's the straightest on earth -- with matted hair.
Bone straight hair do not and cannot mat on its own. Anyone who has bone straight hair and it has locks manipulated and altered their hair that way. It didn't happen naturally. Your hair must have texture in order for it to mat or lock naturally.
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
http://astro.temple.edu/~karanja/Melanin%20Factors.htm [/qb][/QUOTE]The ironic thing is that people with with straighter hair, like whites have to worry about heat damage to their hair caused by the sun. Blacks, or at least those with their natural hair texture don't have to worry about that unless they straighten their hair. [/QB][/QUOTE] Nappy hair is damage by sun rays and my hair gets discolored from the sun. Nappy hair absorbs light while straighter or looser hair reflects light.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
OK. You're a white male with bone straight hair. I challenge you to leave your hair undisturbed (no comb, brush, finger combing, scissors, or razor) for the next 30 days. Then come back and report how your bone straight hair matted up all on its own, without you having to twist it into locks the unnatural way most nappy haired people choose to do when they want to sport a dreadhead hairstyle.
Matted hair is nothing more or less than a bunch of tangles. You know, what you folks call "rats," those snarls you complain about snagging up your comb when you comb your hair.
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: It's not lack of washing that mats the hair, It's lack of combing or brushing. It doesn't matter what grade of hair. "Dreadlocks" will result.
In any large metropol one can observe even far east Asians -- a people with hair that's the straightest on earth -- with matted hair.
Bone straight hair do not and cannot mat on its own. Anyone who has bone straight hair and it has locks manipulated and altered their hair that way. It didn't happen naturally. Your hair must have texture in order for it to mat or lock naturally.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bettyboo: Nappy hair is damage by sun rays and my hair gets discolored from the sun. Nappy hair absorbs light while straighter or looser hair reflects light.
This makes no sense. How much light hair absorbs does not depend on texture so much as color. Dark colored hair especially black colored hair absorbs more light than light colored hair although non of this has anything to do with damage to heat. I couldn't find the source, but there was a scientific article on hair texture and its correlation to environments. How can you say 'kinky' (nappy is derogatory) hair is more prone to heat damage than say the straighter hairs of people from non-tropical countries where there is less sunlight?
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: OK. You're a white male with bone straight hair. I challenge you to leave your hair undisturbed (no comb, brush, finger combing, scissors, or razor) for the next 30 days. Then come back and report how your bone straight hair matted up all on its own, without you having to twist it into locks the unnatural way most nappy haired people choose to do when they want to sport a dreadhead hairstyle.
Matted hair is nothing more or less than a bunch of tangles. You know, what you folks call "rats," those snarls you complain about snagging up your comb when you comb your hair.
LOL I doubt she or he would try it. Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Somalian combs
Egyptian comb
^ The teeth of the Egyptian one were broken, but they were longer.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Hello All
this is my first posting. I am really happy I found this site. I have similar belief as what is being said and discussed on this site. I am really encourgaed that I have found this site. I have already forwarded the address to others already.
But my question is . . . Does someone have pictures of what the Europeans combs look like around their similar period in history?. . .for the sake of argument, is this proof that the people of Kemet had fros. Don't get me . . .the notion that the people living in these conditions had blonde straight hair is really laughable(and unnatural).
BTW I have learnt a lot from this site already. I am really greatful to you all that have done all this reserach and put it out there in layman's terms for us to read.
Posted by yazid904 (Member # 7708) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wahali: Yes this business about God putting the "Proof" on the black man's head comes from the Egyptian-Sudanese writer Kola Boof.
I admire her because she realizes that to be in a democratic Anglo-Saxon Western oriented space (the MATRIX!!) you have a right to be as assertive as those who once tried to out you and destroy your dignity. BE AS DIGNIFIED AS YOU CAN BE and develop your potential! Kola Boof sees and know this primordial, myhtic and ancient sense of he who has the "crown" is the target. I realize that crown can be symbolic but crown is what belongs to you and what people target! For Europeans, "crown" is usually external to self!
When black women started to enter the workforce,and as an expression of identity, they began sporting their crowns. Despite being presentable, laws were passes to prevent Afros from being worn because it was too "EXPRESSIVE". As a result, much of this was struck down (de jure) but it forced many to negate self to fit a false image. The short version!
Posted by Myra Wysinger (Member # 10126) on :
quote:Originally posted by yazid904: When black women started to enter the workforce, and as an expression of identity, they began sporting their crowns. Despite being presentable, laws were passes to prevent Afros from being worn because it was too "EXPRESSIVE". As a result, much of this was struck down (de jure) but it forced many to negate self to fit a false image. The short version!
This is not true. Sometimes what is written in this forum gets on my last nerve.
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Posted by Neith-Athena (Member # 10040) on :
I do not know about laws but I do know that there are workplaces where Blacks cannot wear their natural hair.
Posted by Please call me MIDOGBE (Member # 9216) on :
My apologies! These were unwritten laws (rules! regulation! guidelines!). It has been documented that women had been fired becasue they wore Afros! Luckily this was challenged.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Hello All
this is my first posting. I am really happy I found this site. I have similar belief as what is being said and discussed on this site. I am really encourgaed that I have found this site. I have already forwarded the address to others already.
But my question is . . . Does someone have pictures of what the Europeans combs look like around their similar period in history?. . .for the sake of argument, is this proof that the people of Kemet had fros. Don't get me . . .the notion that the people living in these conditions had blonde straight hair is really laughable(and unnatural).
BTW I have learnt a lot from this site already. I am really greatful to you all that have done all this reserach and put it out there in layman's terms for us to read.
Welcome to the forum xyyman, although I must point out that it is not a matter of "belief" but a matter of FACT.
Did Egyptians wear "fros"? Well there are plenty depictions of them with such a hairstyle like this one below:
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Though not ancient, this comb illustrates what my earlier post was hinting, nothing about the design of AE combs themselves reveal what type of hair their users had because the design was in general use among various cultures.
quote:Originally posted by Please call me MIDOGBE: Some of the combs presented above remind me of these European Christian ceremonial combs:
Objets d'Art Object of worship (Peigne lithurgique) Carolingiens Material : Ivory Date : approx. between 875 and 900 Artist : Anonyme Modèles : Lion, David, Samson Area related : Metz (France)
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Ancient Kemetian hair utensils:
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
My point exactly. All these combs look like they can be used for fros regardless of ethnicity. It is a matter of the technology available at the time for making the combs. Today, combs are more targetted for specific types.
On Another note. I saw some pics of blonde hair africans(aborigines) on this website on a different thread. To me it is a weak argument to show these "black blondes" as proof that the blonde hair that was "found" could belong to a black Pharoah. Thee aborigines are an exception(freaky). The point is . . .if left up to Nature it will be virtually impossible to find peoples with blond hair in that part of the world at that point in history(no air condition . I Not well versed on ancient history but we can look at the Greeks and Romans(Medit)today and see even they typically are dark haired.
Dhejuti - thanks for the welcome. correction "fact".
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Your welcome xyyman, but I hope you realize that those blonde hair aborigines you speak of are less "African" than Europeans!
Posted by Yonis (Member # 7684) on :
quote:Djehuti: Did Egyptians wear "fros"? Well there are plenty depictions of them with such a hairstyle:
This prince/nobleman from the 18th dynasty seems atleast to have been wearing a "fro".
Btw did all kids walk around shaven in the head like this one below, and why did they shave their head, because of lice problems? Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Actually, hairstyles in Egypt like in many parts of Africa, were symbolic.
pre-pubescent children of both sexes had their heads shaved except for a lock of hair that was usually braided. This style was often called the "lock of youth" by Egyptologists and was worn until the child reached puberty.
Namibian boy
Rameses II
I posted a pic of a Tuareg boy with the same style when the topic was discussed before.
Posted by Mystery Solver (Member # 9033) on :
HELLO, can any one answer me this as a child i was born with straight ash brown hair it was at the age of two all shaved off cause of a illness ,it began to grow again and became light brown and thick ,towards my teens it became curly and then tight locks to which i have now lost and only have a kink and very bushy and chunks of it but now its going back to its original colour ash brown ,im got african in me but very slight but some where my features are i have been told of arab or jew ,please can any one help me on this area thankyou .I personally did not think or look to see different features im not of a nature to look at others looks i see people as equal im not of a judgement nature forgive me of lack of knowledge here .
Posted by King_Scorpion (Member # 4818) on :
quote:Originally posted by yazid904:
quote:Originally posted by Wahali: Yes this business about God putting the "Proof" on the black man's head comes from the Egyptian-Sudanese writer Kola Boof.
I admire her because she realizes that to be in a democratic Anglo-Saxon Western oriented space (the MATRIX!!) you have a right to be as assertive as those who once tried to out you and destroy your dignity. BE AS DIGNIFIED AS YOU CAN BE and develop your potential! Kola Boof sees and know this primordial, myhtic and ancient sense of he who has the "crown" is the target. I realize that crown can be symbolic but crown is what belongs to you and what people target! For Europeans, "crown" is usually external to self!
When black women started to enter the workforce,and as an expression of identity, they began sporting their crowns. Despite being presentable, laws were passes to prevent Afros from being worn because it was too "EXPRESSIVE". As a result, much of this was struck down (de jure) but it forced many to negate self to fit a false image. The short version!
Do you have proof that laws were passed to prevent women from wearing Afro's in the workplace...lol?
EDIT: Nevermind I saw your post afterward. You're right though, like now, cornrows are looked down on and generally not advised when you go do a job interview when you get out of college because a lot of people see that as "thuggish."
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