To understand the Nubian Kametian Sumerian and Dravidian (NKSD) civilization you have to understand that Afrocentric researchers are falsificationist. We either confirm or disconfirm a theory.
Linguistic evidence suggest that their is a Sumero- Tamil connection. Yet Eurocentrists reject this evidence without comment and counter eduttukkaadu (evidences). This makes their discussion of ancient history in my opinion untrue.
I am a product of Western Civilization. As a result, I was indoctrinated from an early age via TV and books that blacks were inferior. Although I was provided this indoctrination many adults during my socialization and induction into the community in which I grew up in , on the Southside of Chicago (i.e., 47th and Evans) taught me at an early age that Blacks were the founders of civilization based on their reading of the Bible, and the story about the Children of Ham.
As a result, when I undertook the acquisition of abstract sign systems during my forming schooling/ instruction I had already acquired a metacognition ( awareness of your own thinking) that filtered the bias teachings out of me during my years of schooling. I knew who I was based on the truth of the ancient model of history.
Science is hypothesis testing. We either confirm a theory or disconfirm a theory based on eduttukkaadu. A true scientist would never dispute a theory without offering counter eduttukkaadu in support of the counter hypothesis, but Eurocentric researchers get away with this unscientific attack on the ideas of Blacks, Native Americans and Asians everyday due to Eurocentrism.
Science goes out the window when theories are advocated by researchers that are not accepted by the Academe. We like to believe that schooling broadans our knowledge base and makes us wiser but this is not the case.
Schooling provides an environment that constructs the cognitive structures, we use to interpret our environment. If that environment teaching us falsehood, we will learn untruths instead of the Truth. This results from the fact that the growth of the mind is strongly influenced by the cultural sign system in which we live. It is the sign system presented via culture that provides first the child, and later the sdult the psychological tools to interpret the world.
To understand the NKSD cultures it requires more that one's racial status and being. Being a African African American or Dravidian will not gain you entry into understanding these cultures. You can only understand these cultures if you find cognitive and psychological engagement with the study of ancient history based on the Truth covering law, of the Ancient Model of History.
Cognitive engagement is an internal indicator. These indicators are process, recognition and desire. Firstly, cognitive engagement requires that you learn how to process information from a self-based approach. This information is processed both by neurological processes, genetics and the mind. The neurogic system helps us understand the mechanics behind our learning.
It makes clear the processes involved in thinking. The mind allows us to interpret knowledge. We don't know where this mind is, but we do know that it has a physical and a meta-physical base. The physical mind is structure by or experiences that form representations or schmata to interpret the experiences we have had and explain what we find in the environment.
The mind is also metaphysical. This part of the mind helps us to find information and answers to the questions we may have about phenomenon through our dreams. ( I can not number the times I went to bed with a question about ancient history that was answered in a dreamthat directed me to sources / evidence to support my inquiry.)
Seeking truth is also genetic. We often discuss the genes and how they make us unique. But no one really discusses the possibility that a genetic memory also exist. This genetic memory would consist of the memories we obtain from our both our parents up to the time of our birth, and the memories of our parents parents , and so on up tothe time of their birth. This memory may even go back to the first human ancestors. This genetic memory would allow us to tap into the memories of our ancestors.
The second feature of cognitive engagement in our quest for the Truth is recognition. Recognition, simply refers to the way you think, learn and process information. Your ability to find Truth will result from three factors, a) your ability to access genetic based knowledge; b) interactions with known knowledge ( via multiple intelligences); and c) desire to know the Truth.
A good example of accessing the Truth genetically, was made clear by a Western scholar who said he did not understand Greek philosophy until he studied Ethiopian civilization. He even claimed that he formerly may have been an Ethiopian. A Eurocentric scholar would belittle the idea expressed by this scholar, but in reality, maybe he was able to access knowledge relating to the Ethiopians from his genetic memory from his ancestors who may have lived in Ethiopia, because he kept himself open to Truth and Truth came his way.
Finally, to complete your quest for cognitive engagement the heuristic used for task analysis and completion must include a self-monitoring process guided by Truth Seeking based on the Ancient Model of History.
Psychological engagement is both an internal and external indicator used to interpret the truth. You need psychological engagement of the NKSD culture to understand the phenomenon. Psychological engagement has three parts 1) identification with an intellectual school of thought ( in this case the Ancient Model of History); a sense of belonging and connection to a group; and 3) a positive relationship with teachers and peers.
It is easy to find identification with a research model, but finding a sense of belonging and positive relationship with teachers is more difficult. You must love yourself and your ethnic group before you can use the ancient model of history to discovery aspects of the past. Yet, you can not be racist. You have to recognize that there is one mankind, eventhough we have different colors, because we all came from God. Finding teachers is also difficult. It is hard to find teachers for the study of NKSD at Universities and Colleges because most of the faculty members at these institutions maintain the status quo. As a result, your teachers will be scholars who are outside the Academe. Scholars who provide the necessary eduttukkaadu (evidences)to support and test their hypotheses.
In summary, Truth seeking is the result of cognitive and psychological engagement along with socializing agents who provide us with the schemata we use to recognize Truth in our research. Truth is like beauty, it is only recognized by the eyes of the beholder of what ever one believes to be true, and interpreted via the Model of History you chose to understand the past.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
What is the character of the soul among the Kametians, Sumerians, Olmecs and Dravidians. For purposes of this paper we will call the Sumerians, Olmecs and Dravidians Kushites, since the ancestors of these people lived in the Highland Areas of Middle Africa: the Proto-Sahara, and practiced a culture and civilization –as typified by the rock art in the region--similar to that of the C-Group people. Below we discover the ultimate objective of the Kushite for the soul to become pure or white.
If this is correct in this interpretation of the Kametian-Sumerian- Kushite-Dravidian view of man’s soul it should be present in the languages of these people. To test this hypothesis we will discuss the culture terms from these languages related to the term ‘soul’.
In most of these languages the basic ideas about purity and the soul is indicated by two words ba/pa and or bo/po, with the possible addition of an / l / or /r/ as a final element to these monosyllabic terms.
We learn from the seals of the Dravidian speaking Harappans that they sought righteousness and a spotlessly pure mind, for purity of mind was the sine quo non for happiness within. You can find out more about Harappan religion and writing at the following sites: http://www.geocities.com/olmec982000/Indus.html
Tolkappiyam makes it clear that in Tamil pa(l), denoted Karma. In Sangam times pal was considered the sum and the consequences of a person’s action, i.e., his Fate or destiny. Tiruvallur used pal to denote Fate or the Law of Nature. K. Appadurai, in the Mind and Thoughts of Tiruvallur, noted that pal in its external form is the veda, or word of God that makes everything perfect, undying, everlasting and that forever grows, and is growing internal Bliss. The fact that pal represents that undying and perfect aspect of man corresponds to Loga’s interpretation of the Kushite view of the soul reflected that this aspect of man was both eternal and perfect.
In Dravidian we also find that in addition to pal meaning “Fate”, it also meant distribution, while pala in Tamil means ‘many and diverse’. The Tamil concept of pal corresponds to that of the Sumerians. In Sumerian we find the word bar . Bar has several meanings including ‘soul’ and ‘white’.The view here that the bar is both the soul and also something that is white or pure corresponds favorably to pal the Tamil conception of that aspect of man which is both everlasting and pure.
The Dravidians and Mande people who founded the Shang and Xia civilizations, respectively in China, also took the concept that the soul was pure to the Mongoloid Chinese people. We know very little about the sounds of ancient Chinese because Ancient Chinese was different from Old Chinese and Middle Chinese and the modern Chinese dialects. (Ramsey 1987, pp.137-138) This results from the fact that the Chinese dynasties were founded by diverse ethnic groups e.g., Xia and Shang li (i.e., Black Shang) were founded by Dravidian and Manding speakers. Shang-Yin was founded by classical mongoloids, and the Zhou by the contemporary Chinese. ) This explains the difference in pronunciation for Ancient Chinese spoken by the Xia and Shang peoples who were Africans and Dravidians formerly belonging to the C-Group people of Middle Africa, and Old and Middle Chinese or a variant there of, which was probably spoken by the Zhou and later Mongoloid Chinese people. See: http://geocities.com/olmec982000/xia.htm
The Shang characters compare favorably to the ancient Proto- Saharan script used by the Harappans in the Indus Valley and the Manding script used in the ancient Sahara and Crete . Winters (1985c) outlined the spread of the Proto-Saharan script to Harappa, and throughout Saharan Africa and Asia by the Dravidians and Manding. http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/anwrite.htm
Evidence of Chinese writing first appears around 2000 B.C. as pottery marks. The shell-and-bone characters represented writing they were not pictures. The Shang symbols compare favorably with ancient Manding symbols.
In Chinese the term for ‘white’ is bai, while the term for ‘soul’ is bo. Because the pronounciation of Chinese has changed over the centuries because of the frequent conquest of the ‘country’ by diverse people since the fall of the Xia and Shang civilizations Chinese researchers have developed many theories to explain the origin of bai in Chinese for the terms white (and soul). Some scholars believe that bai , may have got its meaning for white, from bo ‘soul’, through the idea that soul, represents emptiness . I believe that this view for the origin of bai , may be wrong. This results from the fact that many people have attempted to use bai, in relation to its association with humans and ethnic groups to describe these people as literally white. Thus they may translate bai ren as “white men/man”.
During Zhou, times many Dravidians (Shang) and Xia (Mande) people were sacrificed by the Mongoloid Chinese. Theses people were later called li Qiang ‘Black Qiang’ by the Zhou. In many of the oral bone inscriptions of the Zhou we see the phrase bai Qiang, some Chinese researchers have translated this phrase as “white Qiang”. This interpretation is probably wrong. The fact that bai, is related to ‘soul’ and ‘white’ suggest that bai Qiang, may be interpreted as “holy Qiang” or “Pure Qiang”, in reference to the sacrifice of Qiang religious men during Zhou rituals.
This belief in sacrificing Qiang (Dravidians and Mande) by the Zhou to obtain blessing from their gods, may correspond to the popularity during the lated 19th Century and first half of the 20th Century of burning and lynching blacks by the KKK as a form of ritual sacrifice of Blacks to purify the white racists of the American South and Midwest. This suggest that just as bar in Sumerian meant both ‘soul’ and ‘white’, bai and bo had similar meanings because they entered the Chinese language via the Dravidians and Mande who founded Chinese civilization.
The view that the soul is pure, appears to have also been the belief of the Olmec people. The Olmec people of Mexico are considered to be the “Mother Civilization” of all Meso-American civilizations. The Olmec called themselves Xi (Shi), they spoke a language similar to Malinke-Bambara which is a member of the Mande family of languages. It is interesting to note that the symbol for bai in Chinese, is a box.
Among the Olmec the box shaped symbol is pronounced po ‘pure, superlative of white and clean’, just as in the Mande languages. Among the Olmec the term bo meant ‘ spirit, principal of life, great, moral gradeur and ghost’. The identification of the Olmec representation of ‘white, pure and spirit (which may denote an aspect of man akin to soul)’ as po/ bo highlights Loga’s identification of the Kushite concept of this aspect of man as both the soul and purity/ white.
In conclusion, although their are different contemporary pronunciations ba/pa and bo/po , along with the symbols used to represent these words in Chinese and Olmec writing, they have the same meaning and shape. This suggest a genetic relationship between the idea of the soul as pure among the Kametians-Dravidians-Olmecs-Mande-Sumerians. The present pronunciation of the Chinese symbols probably has little relationship to the ancient pronunciation of Chinese spoken in Xia and Shang times when these characters were first used, but the recovery of the actual meaning of these words from looking at Olmec and Tamil, make it clear that Chinese bai did not come from emptiness, it obtained its meaning from the recognition that bo represents the soul’s migration to attain purity.
This cognation of specialized terms for soul, and white; and the writing systems supports the proposed Dravidian and Manding migration and settlement of ancient Sumer, Mexico , China during Xia times and the Indus Valley. It was in these diverse geographical areas that the Kushites left their recognition that the soul is pure.
Posted by Nefar (Member # 13890) on :
"The Nubian Kametian Sumerian Dravidian World View"
wth? im confused...
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Thee members of these nations originated in the ancient sahara and spread to other parts of the world when the region turned into a desert.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
Allot of this stuff bothers me because allot of the time it's just propoganda to make yourself look superior
Must be flattering to Chinese and Indians that everyone wants a piece of their history
Are Dravadins even related to Africans at all?
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
quote:This belief in sacrificing Qiang (Dravidians and Mande) by the Zhou to obtain blessing from their gods, may correspond to the popularity during the lated 19th Century and first half of the 20th Century of burning and lynching blacks by the KKK as a form of ritual sacrifice of Blacks to purify the white racists of the American South and Midwest.
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Posted by Nefar (Member # 13890) on :
"Are Dravadins even related to Africans at all?"
no not at all. which is one of the reasons why his whole post confuses me.
Posted by Maahes (Member # 8482) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nefar: "Are Dravadins even related to Africans at all?"
no not at all. which is one of the reasons why his whole post confuses me.
I'm confused by the post as well but Dravidians and Arabians are descendants of Africans
"One thing is certain, Greek and Latin have Egyptian linguistic influences although both are Indo-European languages. Besides, the term "Indo" comes from "India," the word "India" came from the Arabs, who pointed out that Kush, a son of Ham had two sons, "Hind," and "Sind." Hind of Kush established a culture in India, Sind of Kush established a culture in the Arabian region. Nimrod established in parts of Mesopotamia." That quote isnt meant as evidence per se but it widely understood that Horn Africans migrated into Yemen/Oman and what would be known as the Hindu Kush region. Cattle grazing on an enormous scale was possible in the Hindu Kush just as it was in the Nile Valley Kush.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nefar: no not at all. which is one of the reasons why his whole post confuses me.
My interpretation is basicly Indians are a black African colony, so was China until "Mongoloids" came out and sacrificed the black people like the KKK
quote:This belief in sacrificing Qiang (Dravidians and Mande) Dravidians being colonists from Africa by the Zhou to obtain blessing from their gods, may correspond to the popularity during the lated 19th Century and first half of the 20th Century of burning and lynching blacks by the KKK as a form of ritual sacrifice of Blacks to purify the white racists of the American South and Midwest. This suggest that just as bar in Sumerian meant both ‘soul’ and ‘white’, bai and bo had similar meanings because they entered the Chinese language via the Dravidians and Mande who founded Chinese civilization.
Posted by markellion (Member # 14131) on :
Also Africans Civilized the Mexicans
Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
Evergreen Writes:
The Dravidians were originally Black Terrestrial Beings (BTBs) from the planet NubeeOn. They were stranded on earth during the second intergalactic ice age and merged with the Ancient Egyptians in Oman. I know this is true because Will Smith has a film coming out on this topic.
Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
quote:Originally posted by Evergreen: Evergreen Writes:
The Dravidians were originally Black Terrestrial Beings (BTBs) from the planet NubeeOn. They were stranded on earth during the second intergalactic ice age and merged with the Ancient Egyptians in Oman. I know this is true because Will Smith has a film coming out on this topic.
^^ I'm just BSing, just like Clyde is doing with this thread.
Posted by Yom (Member # 11256) on :
Clyde Winters, while not a troll, has severely distorted views of India, Sumer, Olmec, and other civilizations with dark-skinned and non-African civilizations/cultures. To him, the two (dark skin and Africanness) are indistinguishable.
Posted by rasol (Member # 4592) on :
Yes. Skin color is not racial. It does not relate lineage. Neither does skull-shape, the favorite pet-pheno of K-zoid race mythologists.
A student of African history who understands this - has no need to make all Black people into Africans.
It's funny but white anthropologist put it nicely, and objectively - "African entails black, but black does not entail African". - CL Brace.
I wonder if Winters knows what that means, or would care to comment on it?
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Beware informant!
We know you're not BSing.
You have violated your oaths.
NewBeIng Order Age-Ints will take care of you soon.
quote:Originally posted by Evergreen:
quote:Originally posted by Evergreen: Evergreen Writes:
The Dravidians were originally Black Terrestrial Beings (BTBs) from the planet NubeeOn. They were stranded on earth during the second intergalactic ice age and merged with the Ancient Egyptians in Oman. I know this is true because Will Smith has a film coming out on this topic.
^^ I'm just BSing, just like Clyde is doing with this thread.
Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
Look's like it's all a matter of style and presentation.
Dr. Winters presents this outlook scientifically and is rejected.
Maahes presents it folklorically, as his alleged intertribe clan's "history."
And, as Sundiata aptly noted, the same folk who rejected it from Dr. Winters will readily drink it down like Kool-Aid when it's poured from Maahes' pitcher.
Glider's thread could be most revealing about the process allowing for this left hand rejection/right hand acceptance.
Marketing reps just call it good will and packaging.
Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri:
Dr. Winters presents this outlook scientifically and is rejected.
Maahes presents it folklorically, as his alleged intertribe clan's "history."
Evergreen Writes:
Neither presentation has scientific merit.
Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
quote:Originally posted by rasol: I wonder if Winters knows what that means, or would care to comment on it?
Evergreen Writes:
He knows what this means. This issue has been covered with him dozens of times over the last few years. His position on Blacks in Sumeria and Indus-Kush detracts from the credibility of those who espouse a so-called Afrocentric position.
Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Cognitive engagement is an internal indicator. These indicators are process, recognition and desire. Firstly, cognitive engagement requires that you learn how to process information from a self-based approach. This information is processed both by neurological processes, genetics and the mind. The neurogic system helps us understand the mechanics behind our learning.
It makes clear the processes involved in thinking. The mind allows us to interpret knowledge. We don't know where this mind is, but we do know that it has a physical and a meta-physical base. The physical mind is structure by or experiences that form representations or schmata to interpret the experiences we have had and explain what we find in the environment.
The mind is also metaphysical. This part of the mind helps us to find information and answers to the questions we may have about phenomenon through our dreams. ( I can not number the times I went to bed with a question about ancient history that was answered in a dreamthat directed me to sources / evidence to support my inquiry.)
Seeking truth is also genetic. We often discuss the genes and how they make us unique. But no one really discusses the possibility that a genetic memory also exist. This genetic memory would consist of the memories we obtain from our both our parents up to the time of our birth, and the memories of our parents parents , and so on up tothe time of their birth. This memory may even go back to the first human ancestors. This genetic memory would allow us to tap into the memories of our ancestors.
Dr. Winters
I agree with this following reading Dr. Francis Cress-Welsings work, The Isis papers. In this work she speaks of cellular history and it's impact on learning, particularly in people who contain higher concentrations of melanin. It would explain why, following over 400 years of living in America, black Americans are not able to fully transition to the Anglo world-view as easy as Asians, and score lower of standardized anglo-centric based testing. For them, it is not as simple as ingesting material, but rather a complete reversal in their cellular world-view. A decision that when reviewed goes against common sense.
It also explains why early in American history uneducated slaves were the innovators of invention, and why more people worldwide recognize P.Diddy, Micheal Jordan, Muhammad Ali compared to Norman Mailer. I find it amazing that a black like Jack Johnson, America's 1st black heavyweight champion with no more then a 6th grade education was granted 2 patents by the US patent office.
Posted by Evergreen (Member # 12192) on :
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: [QUOTE]I agree with this following reading Dr. Francis Cress-Welsings work, The Isis papers. In this work she speaks of cellular history and it's impact on learning, particularly in people who contain higher concentrations of melanin.
Evergreen Writes:
Cress-Welsings assumptions have not been peer-reviewed and assessed utilizing the scientific approach. Her work has therefore not been validated in this regard.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: [QUOTE]It would explain why, following over 400 years of living in America, black Americans are not able to fully transition to the Anglo world-view ....
Evergreen Writes:
What is the "Anglo-Worldview" you allude to here?
Posted by abdulkarem3 (Member # 12885) on :
quote:That quote isnt meant as evidence per se but it widely understood that Horn Africans migrated into Yemen/Oman and what would be known as the Hindu Kush region. Cattle grazing on an enormous scale was possible in the Hindu Kush just as it was in the Nile Valley Kush.
There is an old book written by an iraqi historian jawad 'ali in which he says the same thing about the arabian peninsula. diefferent migrations of people coming from africa, iraq, and the india area
Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
Dr. Cress-Welsing's work has been debated for quite some time now. Many researchers have agreed and validated some of her work, while the mainstream has found issue but provided no research to actually refute it. In fact, in unrelated research dealing with the importance of melanin in brain activity (more melanin=faster synaptic switching), sexual reproduction (more melanin=more potency), sensory acuteness (more melanin=better eyesight/earing/muscle response), they have directly and inadvertently provided additional validation to her theories, as well as what Dr, Winters is proposing above.
Dr. Jewel Pookrum offers some additional information on the importance of melanin, and she calls melanin and it's properties, Biological Living Light. http://youtube.com/watch?v=A9J0F5SLRsE Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
Methods of treating Parkinson's disease using melanin Document Type and Number: United States Patent 5210076 Link to this page: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5210076.html Abstract: The invention is directed to the treatment of degenerative diseases of tissues which have lost melanin and which share a common embryological basis as tissues of the nervous system by the administration of an active substance which causes an increased concentration of melanin in the tissue. Such active substances include melanin, melanin variants, melanin analogs, melanin derivatives, tyrosinase, tyrosinase gene, melanin-concentrating hormone and combinations thereof. Examples. of such diseases include Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, retinitis pigmentosa, schizophrenia and dementia. The invention is also useful in assisting in the repair of neurons in a mammal having neuron damage by administering an effective amount of an active substance which causes an increased concentration of melanin in the neuron to aid in nerve repair. The invention is further useful in protecting a mammal from a toxin-induced disease or from the adverse effects of a toxin by administering an effective amount of the active substance described above. Inventors: Berliner, David L. (Atherton, CA, US) Erwin, Robert L. (Vacaville, CA, US) McGee, David R. (Vacaville, CA, US) Application Number: 609311 Filing Date: 11/05/1990 Publication Date:
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
The Nubian-Kametic-Sumerian-Dravidian culture I call Proto-Saharan is supported by archaeological research in addition to anthropological and linguistic evidence.
The members of the NKSD civilization maintained an extensive trade network in the 3rd and 4th millennium BC. The vessels recovered from these civilizations indicate that the peoples share religious beliefs, and culture.
This is supported by red-and-black pottery which originated in Nubia, and vessels from the IVBI workshop at Tepe Yahya. The IVBI workshop was located in West Asia. Vessels here have a uniform shape and design. The red-and black pottery, and vessels sharing this style are distributed from Egypt to China, the Soviet Uzbekistan and the Indus Valley. Philip L. Kohl, in “The balance of trade in the mid-Third millennium BC”, Current Anthropology (19,1978: 463-492) noted that the intercultural style vessels show clear parallels between Nubia/Kemetian-Iranian-Sumerian and Dravidian (Indus Valley) sites.
The discovery of Intercultural Style vessels from Susa, Sumer, Egyptian and Indus Valley sites suggest a shared ideological identity among the NKSD people. The shared iconographic symbols and beliefs within these diverse areas suggest cultural and ethnic unity among the NKSD cultures. These common naturalistic motifs shared by major NKSD civilizations include combatant snakes, the scorpion, the bull and etc.
It is clear that genetic evidence also supports the NKSD civilization. A look at the Y-chromosome map below shows the unity of these civilizations.
This map makes it clear that Dravidians and Africans share haplotypes RxR1 and K. The present inhabitants of Mesopotamia and Persia and Africans according to this map carry the H,A and K haplotypes. . For example, the H1 haplotype is found among many Dravidians (26% in a study by Sengupta et al 2006).
The haplotype M173 is derived from M9. This M9 is mainly found in Eurasia. The haplotype M9 is related to haplogroups K to R and are often associated with Eurasians or non-African people (Cruciani et al, 2002;Coia, 2004). Coia et al (2004) believe that Asians migrated to Cameroon and passed on R1*M173 to Africans.
It is interesting to note that haplogroup R1*M173 has its highest frequency in Africa, not Eurasia (Cruciani et al, 2002; Coia, 2004). In Cameroon the frequency of R1*M173 is between 7%-95% and averages 39% (Coia, 2004). This suggest that this haplogroup may have originated in Africa, not Asia.
The discovery of shared vessels, religious beliefs, and genes make it clear that members of the NKSD civilizations came from Africa. This means that the people were not only Black, they were Black due to their African heritage.
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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
^ Just for humor, would you care to share some of this so-called archaeological 'evidence'??
Also, non of the genetic studies (as usual) support your claims. All the haplotypes peoples in India and Iraq have in common with Africans are all derived from ancestral haplogroups from the Paleolithic which makes sense since *all* humans originated in Africa. Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Just for humor, would you care to share some of this so-called archaeological 'evidence'??
Also, non of the genetic studies (as usual) support your claims. All the haplotypes peoples in India and Iraq have in common with Africans are all derived from ancestral haplogroups from the Paleolithic which makes sense since *all* humans originated in Africa.
Sure.
This is supported by red-and-black pottery which originated in Nubia, and vessels from the IVBI workshop at Tepe Yahya. The IVBI workshop was located in West Asia. Vessels here have a uniform shape and design. The red-and black pottery, and vessels sharing this style are distributed from Egypt to China, the Soviet Uzbekistan and the Indus Valley. Philip L. Kohl, in “The balance of trade in the mid-Third millennium BC”, Current Anthropology (19,1978: 463-492) noted that the intercultural style vessels show clear parallels between Nubia/Kemetian-Iranian-Sumerian and Dravidian (Indus Valley) sites.
The genetic evidence speaks for itself. The origin of these genes do not go back to the paleolithic exit from africa, there origin was Africa, and the people carrying these genes today point back to their African origin.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
If the NKSD people came from the same cultural and genetic background, we can hypothesize that they would have similar terms for sea going vessels or boats. To test this hypothesis we must look at the history of naval technology in Middle Africa, the original homeland of the Kametian –Sumerian-Dravidian speaking people. Boat building has been known in Africa for thousands of years. Reed boats, and reed boat illustrations throughout Middle Africa. For example, today reed boats are still constructed by the Mande speaking Bozo people and Dravidian speaking people in India.
The boat has played an important role in Africa since prehistoric times. As early as Nagada I (4000-3500 BC) Africans were depicting boats on their pottery (Robert Partridge, ,p.16). The same style boats are found in the Sahara at Tin Tazarift (Ki-Zerbo,1979,1981). Between 3500-3000BC we find evidence of sails on pottery from Nubia and Egypt ( Partridge,1996).
The Prophet Isaiah mentions the expertise of the Kushites when he noted in the Bible at Isaiah 18:12 that: " Country of the whirring wings beyond the rivers of Cush, who send ambassadors by sea, in papyrus ships over the waters". This indicates that as late as the Meroitic Kushite empire papyrus boast were still being used by Africans. Because the early civilization builders in Mesopotamia, the Indus Valley, Africa, and China after 3500 BC, originated in the Sahara there existed great similarity between boats engraved on rocks in Mesopotamia, Indus Valley/ India and ancient boats in the Sahara and Nile Valley (Hornell,1920).
Walter Resch (1967), noted that apart from human and animal figures appearing on the Nubian rock drawings, the most dominant motif is that of reed boats, many of these boats like the boats at Nagada II, had sails.
Henri Lhote during his 1956 expedition to the Highland Tassili region of Algeria also found reed boat engravings (Lhote, 1957). Boats with sails were still being used in throughout Africa in 1500BC. Queen Hatshepsut of Egypt, recorded in her temple at Deir el Bahri a Puntite ship which had sails and 60 oars. This indicates that African ships were usually prepared for sailing the oceans through the power of the wind, and /or by sail.
Punt is believed to be ancient Somalia/Ethiopia. The people who presently live in Ethiopia call the Puntite empire, the Arwe empire. Other examples of reed boats have been found in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley. It is among the engraved Saharan boats that we see the first use of masts and sails, along with cabins on the decks of ships as early as 3100 BC. As a result the ancient Proto-Saharans share the same name for boat:
Dravidian (Tamil) Kalan Sumerian Kalam Mande Kulu
Papyrus boats were capable of traveling thousands of miles over the open seas. Earastosthenes, chief librarian of the Egyptian papyrus library in Alexandria said that papyrus ships,with the same sails and riggings as on the Nile sailed as far as Ceylon and the mouth of the Ganges (Indus Valley)(Hyderdahl, 1981).
In summary, the rock art from the Sahara, across Mesopotamia, and India are identical. It indicates that during Proto-Saharan times each community (Mande >Proto-Olmec, Sumerian, Dravidian, etc.) had marine architects, shipbuilders and expert sailors.
The presence of an elevayed bow and stern and the peculiar "bowstring" astern and "fuse" for the rudder oar, indicate that the ships used by the Proto-Saharans, including the Mande and Dravidians were used for navigation in the open seas. As a consequence of the shared term for boat among the Dravidian and Sumerian people we must accept the theory that these people developed their seafaring skills in a common homeland before they settled Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley.
The fact that the Mande speaking people, who formerly lived predominately in the Fezzan (Libya), but now are found in West Africa, have the same term for boat used by the Sumerians and Dravidians make it clear that the homeland for these people by Col. Rawlinson was Middle Africa. The evidence of common boat technology for Mesopotamians and Harappans, and term for boat indicate that their seafaring skill can be explained by their former habitation of Middle Africa,before they moved into Asia.
Reference:
Heyderdahl,T. (1981). Early Man and the Sea, New York.
Hornell,__.(1920). Indian Boat Designs", Mem. As. Soc. Bengal, 7(3): 192).
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1979). "Old Masters of the New Stone Age", The Unesco Courier.
Ki-Zerbo,J. (1981). African Preclassic Art. In General History of Africa: methodology and African Prehistory, (Ed.) by J. Ki-Zerbo (pp.672,676). UNESCO.
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Partridge,R.(1996).Transport in ancient Egypt,The Rubicon Press.
Resch,W.F.E.(1967). Die Felsbilder Nubiens. Graz
Posted by Quetzalcoatl (Member # 12742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Just for humor, would you care to share some of this so-called archaeological 'evidence'??
Also, non of the genetic studies (as usual) support your claims. All the haplotypes peoples in India and Iraq have in common with Africans are all derived from ancestral haplogroups from the Paleolithic which makes sense since *all* humans originated in Africa.
Sure.
This is supported by red-and-black pottery which originated in Nubia, and vessels from the IVBI workshop at Tepe Yahya. The IVBI workshop was located in West Asia. Vessels here have a uniform shape and design. The red-and black pottery, and vessels sharing this style are distributed from Egypt to China, the Soviet Uzbekistan and the Indus Valley. Philip L. Kohl, in “The balance of trade in the mid-Third millennium BC”, Current Anthropology (19,1978: 463-492) noted that the intercultural style vessels show clear parallels between Nubia/Kemetian-Iranian-Sumerian and Dravidian (Indus Valley) sites.
The genetic evidence speaks for itself. The origin of these genes do not go back to the paleolithic exit from africa, there origin was Africa, and the people carrying these genes today point back to their African origin.
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Again a reference that does not support what is claimed. Kohl's paper is about the use of characteristic stone vessels made in Tepe Yahya to trace long distance trade between the Iran Highlands, the Mesopotamian lowlands, Syria and Uzbekistan. It does not claim that there was a common civilization between them.
The words "Nubian," "dravidian," and "red and black pottery" do not appear anywhere in the article. References to "Egypt," "Nile Valley, and "China" are used in comparing other instances of long distance trade not as components of this trade in stone vesels.
Some quotes from the article:
quote: I shall develop this position by summarizing recent archaeological work in highland Iran which has shown how long-distance trade in both finished commodities and raw materials linked geographically separated centers on the Iranian plateau with the urban communities of the alluvial plains of Mesopotamia and Khuzistan. I shall review the archaeological evidence for this trade and discuss its relevance for understanding the development of early state societies in southwestern Asia and the nature of prehistoric exchange networks. . . .
Tepe Yahya, a site located in the small intermontane Soghun Valley roughly midway between Kerman and the port city of Bandar 'Abbas, provides a particularly clear illustration of cultural interaction in the 4th and early 3d millennia between the highland communities on the Iranian plateau and the more densely populated settlements on the alluvial plains of Mesopotamia and Khuzistan. . . . .
The products of the IVBl workshop at Tepe Yahya form a corpus of stone material uniform in material, shape, and design motifs. Vessels belonging to this corpus share a characteristic style and are widely distributed from Soviet Uzbekistan and the Indus Valley to present-day Syria; hereafter, I shall refer to them as Intercultural Style vessels (cf, figs. 1 and 2). . . . .
Fragments from the excavations at Tepe Yahya are particularly instructive in that they are found in association with half-finished bowls and debitage chips and are limited to certain levels of the sequence. The vessels were carved from chlorite, a soft green magnesium silicate, which was locally available in the mountains north and west of the Soghun Valley. Several chlorite outcrops, scarred with pick and saw marks, were discovered, attesting to the former removal and utilization of the stone (Kohl 1975a:21, figs. 4, 5). Both archaeological and geological evidence suggested that some of the elaborately carved Intercultural Style vessels which had been buried in "royal" tombs at Ur and placed in major "temples" throughout Sumer had been carved in the stone workshops of the small town at Tepe Yahya.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Kohl did not mention the red-and-black ware. This ceramic style was found at NKSD sites and is discussed by Singh and Andersson.
Rawlinson was convinced that there was a relationship between the Sumerians and Africans. As a result he used two African languages: one Semitic and the other Cushitic to decipher the cuneiform writing. Rawlinson was sure that the ancient Nubians and Puntites founded Mesopotamian civilization.(1)
The Sumerians came from the Sahara before it became a desert. Affinities exist between Nubia ware and pottery from Ennedi and Tibesti.
These Saharan people were round-headed ancient Mediterranean type. They were often referred to as Cafsa or Capsians; a group of people not devoid of negroid characteristics according to J Desanges.(11) Wyatt MacGaffey, claims that the term "Mediterranean" is an anthropological euphemism for "Negro".
The boats of the Saharan people are similar to those found on ancient engravings of boats in Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley. Many of the boats found in the eastern desert of Egypt and among the Red Sea Hills show affinities to Mesopotamian models.
S.N. Kramer in The Sumerians, claimed that Makan was Egypt, Mekluhha was Nubia-Punt, and the Indus Valley was Dilmun. Today Dilmun is believed to be found near Arabia. But the archaeological evidence suggest that the Indus Valley which was settled by Dravidian speakers was the source of the lapis lazuli , which made Dilmun famous .(2)
Archaeological research has confirmed that cultural interaction existed between the contemporary civilizations of the 4th and 3rd millenia B.C. Extensive trade routes connected the Proto-Dravidians of the Indus Valley, with African people in Egypto-Nubia, and the Elamites and Sumerians. P. Kohl discovered that vessels from IVBI worshop at Tepe Yahya, have a uniform shape and design. Vessels sharing this style are distributed from Soviet Uzbekistan to the Indus Valley, and Sumerian, Elamite and Egyptian sites. (2) In addition, we find common arrowheads at Harappan sites, and sites in Iran, Egypt, Minoan Crete and Heladic Greece.
It appears that the locus for this distribution of cultural traditions and technology was the Saharan-Nubian zone or Kush. This would explain why the Sumerians and Elamites often referred to themselves as "ksh". For example the ancient Sumerians called their dynasty "Kish". The words "kish", "kesh" and "kush" were also names for ancient Nubia-Sudan.
The Elamites also came from Kush. According to the classical writer Strabo, Susa the centre of the Elamite civilization was founded by Tithonus, king of Kush.
B.B. Lal has shown conclusively that the Dravidians came from Nubia and were related to the C-Group people who founded the Kerma dynasty.(3) They both used a common black-and-red ware (BRW) which Lal found was analogous to ceramics used by the megalithic people in India who also used analogous pottery signs identical to those found in the corpus of Indus Valley writing. (4)
Singh believes that this pottery spread from Nubia, through Mesopotamia and Iran southward into India.(5) The earliest examples of this BRW date to the Amratian period (c4000-3500 B.C.).
This same BRW was found at the lowest levels of Harappan sites at Lothal and Rangpur. After 1700 B.C. This ceramic tradition spread southward into megalithic India.(6) It is also found in Uzbekistan and China. (12)
Dilmun was an important source of lapis lazuli. If the Indus Valley civilization was Dilmun as hypothesized by Kramer, it would explain the control of the Harappans/ or Dilmunites of this important metal.
The Indus Valley people spoke a Dravidian language.(7) The Harappans controlled the lazurite region of Badakhshan, and the routes to the tin and copper fields of central Asia.(8)
The major city of the Harappans/Dilmunites in the lapis lazuli region was Shortughai. Francefort believes that many lapis lazuli works were transported to Iran and Mesopotamia from Shortughai.(9) The BRW at Shortughai is typically Harappan.
When we put all of this evidence together we must agree that there is some historical evidence for a connection between the NKSD people. These people used similar arrow heads, red-and-black pottery, and intercultural vessels.This shows the common culture of these people.
Footnotes
(1)C.B. Rawlinson, "Notes on the early history of Babylon", Jour. Royal Asiatic Society (First Series) 15, p.230.
(2). Philip L. Kohl, "The balance of trade in the mid-Third millenium BC", Current Anthropology, 19 (1978), pp.463-492.
(3)B.B. Lal, "From megalithic to the Harappan: Tracing back the graffiti on pottery", Ancient India, 16 (1960).
(4)B.B. Lal, "The only Asian mission in threatened Nubia", The Illustrated London Times, 20 April 1963.
(5) H.N. Singh, History and Archaeology of Black-and-Red Ware , Delhi, 1982.
(6) C.A. Winters, "The Dravido-Harappan Colonization of Central Asia", Central Asiatic Journal , 34 (1-2), pp.120-144.
(7) C.A. Winters, "The Dravidian language of the Harappan script", Archiv Orientalni, (1990).
(8) B. Brenjes, "On Proto-Elamite Iran", Current Anthropology, 24 (2) (1984), pp. 240-.
(9) Henri-Paul Franceport, "La civilisation de l'Indus aux rives de l'Oxus", Archeologie , (Decembre) p.50.
(10) Ibid., p.49.
(11) J. Desnages, "The Proto-Berbers". In General History of Africa vol.2, (Ed.) by G. Mokhtar (Heinemann Educational Books, London) p.25.
(12) Andersson,T.G. 1934. CHILDREN OF THE YELLOW EARTH:STUDIES IN PREHISTORIC CHINA. London.
Posted by Tyrann0saurus (Member # 3735) on :
@ meninarmer
Care to explain to us why we should find melanin theory more compelling, than, say, anything in the Bell Curve?
Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
Charles Murray = American Enterprise Institute Other then Rush Limbaugh listeners and our Hammer, Do people actually believe anything that comes out of AEI? Especially debunked IQ based theory. Also, see AEI's Gun Control Scandal, John R. Lott (AKA Mary) who mistakenly followed Murray's lead, and paid for it. Also, reference AEI's Bellesiles' research, and discredit. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.wallace-wells.html
On the other hand, Melanin research is God's design, and has been proven at every major university and neurological research center in the world.
Posted by yazid904 (Member # 7708) on :
Mr Winters approach is far superior to others because he seeks to diminish his own individual bias with the scientific method.
What is the hypothesis? WHat is the alterntive hypothesis? We want to confirm a theory by using objective criteria/ananlysis!
Here is my take on an ineresting case study: As an example, the present DNA crowd want us to beileive that Haplogroup U is European one but recent genotyping have found it exists in Cameroon and some Fulbe (Fula/Fula) groups but they never explain! Why don't they? haha! They realize something is amiss! A simple solution would be to see which of haplogroup U is the oldest but they hesitate. Do you know why?
They have invested time and money and economic benefit to perpetrate certaim lies and myths that will never die! Say a lie long enough and people will believe it and it does work!
There are a few authors out there who have shown convincingly that Japanese, Turkish and Indo-European language are related! Let me back up to say the very term Indo-European is a myth but it has been in use long enough where we have come to accept it. Now people like Dr Winters has the best of scientific and documentable information in the assertion of his research and he is automatically labelled 'an upstart'. Dr Winters is not saying that Olmecs are African or Dravidians are Africans. There is a root group of Africans who separated from their main group and went on to form new groups with separate identity.
Since Turkey is my favourite reference point in modern history, the Turks' origin is Central Asia but the people in Turkey, while speaking a version of modern Turkish, are far removed from their Central Asian brethren. Style of life, modernity, deitary habits, etc. If I were to look at Suleiman the Magnificant, give him a haircut and dress him in Eurocentric clothing, he would be seen as possibly Irish or Welsh!
All I am saying is that we examine with our open eyes and then see if the evidence supports what we imagine or not imagine as the semblance of truth.
Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
Has anyone noticed that this latest silly thread by Clyde bears a strikingly resemblance to Marc's CAPSA thread?? LOL
Add this to Meninarmer's melanin powers theory, and perhaps the topic of this thread should be changed into PSBSS (psuedo-scholaraly black supremacist stuff). Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by yazid904: Mr Winters approach is far superior to others because he seeks to diminish his own individual bias with the scientific method.
What is the hypothesis? WHat is the alterntive hypothesis? We want to confirm a theory by using objective criteria/ananlysis!
Hypothesis: There will be a relationship between Nubian, Kemetian, Sumerian and Dravidian civilizations.
Alternative hypothesis: There is no relationship between the NKSD civilizations.
Hypothesis confirmed by linguistic,historical, anthropological, and archaeological evidence:
1. genetically related languages 2. Intercultural style artifacts 3. common arrow heads 4. red-and-black pottery 5. presence of similar genes carried by African, and Eurasian populations 6. Historical evidence from Bible and Greco-Roman sources
Please present the evidence disconfirming this hypothesis.
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Kushites of Sumer and Akkad
Controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.
To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.
As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.
Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.
A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.
A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians.
Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.
Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar (Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.
The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.
Oppert knew Rawlinson had used African languages to decipher cuneiform writing. But he did not compare the Sumerian to African languages, probably, due to the fact that he knew they were related given Rawlinson's earlier research.
It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.
Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.
There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian text that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves şalmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin. Eventhough de LaCouperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.
In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.
The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.
To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
I believe that the Sumerians, Harappans, Elamites and Manding speaking people all came from an ancient civilization that formerly existed in the ancient Sahara, of middle Africa.
The Fertile Saharan Crescent is an arc shaped series of highland regions in the Saharan zone of Africa. The Saharan zone is bounded on the north by the Atlas mountains, the Atlantic Ocean in the West, the tropical rain forest in the south and the Red Sea in the East. It was here that the ancestors of the founders of the river valley civilizations in Africa, the Middle East, China and Indus Valley developed their highly organized and technological societies (Winters 1983a, 1985b).
The discovery of Intercultural style vessels from Susa (in Iran),Sumerian, Egyptian and Indus Valley sites suggest a shared ideological identity among these people . In fact the appearance of shared iconographic symbols and beliefs within diverse areas suggest cultural and ethnic unity among the people practicing these cultures. The common naturalistic motifs shared by the major civilizations include, writing (symbols), combatant snakes , the scorpion, bull and etc. This evidence of cultural unity is explained by the origin of these people in the Proto-Sahara.
The Proto-Saharans similar terms for writing. In general the term for writing was formed by the labial stops /p/ and /b/. For example:
Dravidian par 'write' Manding bo, bu 'make a stroke', sebe 'write' Elamite tipu 'to write' Galla tafa 'to write'
There are also other corresponding terms for 'mark', or 'draw' that begin with velar stops:
Dravidian kiri, kuri 'write, draw, mark' Egyptian hti 'carve' Manding kiri, kiti 'mark'
In Egyptian we have several terms for write 0 ss #, 0 zs # , and 0 ssw #. During the Old Kingdom writing was referred to as 0 iht # .
The Egyptian term for writing 0 ssw # is analogous to the Mande terms 0 sewe # or 0 sebe # 'writing, trace, design'. In Dravidian among other terms we have rasu 'write', and shu 'writing' in Sumerian. The Egyptian term 0 zs # is also closely related to Sumerian 0 shu #.
Writing systems among African people were mainly devised for two purposes. Firstly, to help merchants keep records on the business venture they made. Secondly, the Proto-Saharan script was also used to preserve religious doctrines or write obituaries.
The scarcity of documents, written for historical preservation among ancient African groups resulted from the fact that the keeping of history, was usually left in the hands of traditional (oral) historians. These historians memorized the histories of their nation and people for future recitation before members of their respective communities. This oral history was often accompanied by music or delivered in poetic verse and remains the premier source for the history of most African nations even today.
It is obvious that the first inscriptions were engraved in stone by the Proto-Saharans , or a stylus was used to engrave wet clay. The use of the stylus or stick to engrave clay is most evident in the pottery marks found on the pottery excavated at many ancient sites which possess similar symbols impressed on the pottery.
This view is supported by the fact that the term for writing in Dravidian and Egyptian include the consonants /l/, /r/ or /d/.
A "u", is usually attached to the initial consonants (Winters 1985b). For example:
Sumerian ru, shu Elamite talu Dravidian carru Egyptian drf
These terms agree with the Manding terms for excavate or hollow out 0 du #, 0 do #, 0 kulu #, 0 tura #, etc. The Sumerian term for writing was 0 du #. This show that the Proto-Saharan term for writing denoted the creation of impressions on wet clay and hard rock.
The origin of writing among the Proto-Saharans as an activity involving the engraving of stone is most evident in the Egyptian language. This hypothesis is supported by the Egyptian words 0 m(w)dt #. The term 0 md t # means both '(sculptor's) chisel' and 'papyrus-roll, book'. The multiple meanings of 0 md t # makes it clear that the Egyptian, and probably other descendants of the Proto-Saharans saw a relationship between engraving stone and the creation of books.
Other Egyptian lexical items also support the important role Proto-Saharans saw in engraving rocks, and writing. In addition to 0md t # we have, 0 hti # 'carve, sculpture' and 0 iht # 'writing'. The fact that iht is an Old Kingdom term for writing, almost identical to hti, is further evidence that writing involved the engraving of stone.
The ancient Proto-Saharan settlers of of Asia and Africa, as their ancestors in the Fertile African Crescent used the term Ko to denote a rock, stone, envoy and God. Ko, may have been a variation of the word Kos "horned ram". The ram among the dwellers of the Fertile African Crescent was the primordial symbol of the Deity who was usually called: Amma, Amon/Amun, Amen and etc. The earliest representation of this deity are found in the Sahara which predate the worship of Amon-Ra in Egypt by 1000 years. Also, an unexcavated ram headed sphinx much older than the Egyptian sphinx, believed to be a rock formation, is presently situated at Siwa, in the Eastern Desert.
Due to the fact that Ko, in the languages spoken by the Proto-Saharans meant 'stone', made it natural for this term to symbolize God, since the Deity represents both stability and power. Moreover since the Fertile African Crescent and later the Carpathian Basin were settled during a Golden Age, characterized by stability and reason, gave the term Ko a double meaning among the Proto-Saharans 1) stability and 2) power, God.
………….Man child woman person
Dravidian al mog manuci, asa uk
Sumerian tin,mu, lu manus uku
Manding tye, molo musa musu moko
Magyar muki, el 'person' mag anyuci,asszony muki
ENGLISH SUMERIAN MANDING TAMIL
chief kal,kala kele-tigi gasa(n)
field gan ga kalan
eye(l) igi akki
eye(2) ini,en nya kan
arrow kak kala kakam
granary kur k'ur-k'ur kutir
road sila sila caalai
father pap pa appan
lord manus mansa mannan
male mu moko maakkal
to recite sid siti
to buy sa sa cel
grain se se
seed gen ge 'to sprout'
The linguistic data support the unity of NKSD civilizations.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
There are a number of articles which discuss the Sumerian relationship with African and Dravidian languages including the following:
David, H S , "Some contacts and affinities between the Egypto- Minoan and the Indo(-Dravido) Sumerian Culture",Tamil Culture 4, no2 (1955), pages 169-175.
Winters,Clyde Ahmad,"Tamil,Sumerian and Manding and the Genetic Model",International Journal of Dravidian Linguistics 18,(1989) nol.
Winters, Clyde Ahmad. (1991). The Proto-Sahara. The Dravidian Encyclopaedia. (Trivandrum: International School of Dravidian Linguistics) pp.553-556. Volume 1.
The Sumerian, Dravidian and African speakers originated in the Fertiel African Crescent, which was the Highland regions of Middle Africa. These people belonged to the Maa Clan.The Maa Confederation was the name of the major Paleo-African clan during the last great wet period in Saharan history 5000-3000 B.C. The Maa confederation includes the Egyptians, Elamites, Dravidians, Manding and Sumerians. In this paper we call members of this civilization: Proto-Saharans. To denote their ethnic origin they added the term Ma, to their ethnonyms, e.g., the Manding called themselves Ma-nde (the children of Ma); and the Sumerians called themselves Mah-Gar-ri (exalted God's children).For more information about the Proto-Saharans and the Maa civilization see Clyde A. Winters, The Proto-Culture of the Dravidians, Manding and Sumerians, Tamil Civilization,3(1), 1-9. The Sumerian language shares many features with African and Dravidian languages.
PRONOUNS There is a similarity in pronouns: Language Singular Plural 1st.Per.2nd Per. 3rd Per. 1st Per. 2nd Per. 3rd Per. Dravidian an,naa l a an an,ani aru Manding na, n' i a, e alu Elamite u nu ri un nun r: ir Sumerian ga, gal za, au ene men zu,ne ene-ne DEMONSTRATIVE Language Proximate Distant Finite Dravidian i a u Manding i a u
Sumerian bi a
The Proto-Saharan languages share locative constructions. These directional elements can be simple or compound. Common suffixial directional elements include:
Elamite Sumerian English Manding -ak and ka kuttu so,also,as ka -hi this ni ukku ku on ku, kuna -ma na in,at na itaka da with la, ti -na of -no -lina -ta for -ti
Common directional elements include:
ma -a in na imma, ni out,of ma, no ikku (ikki) -ra to koro lina ta for ti mar from a place ma 'area,land' itaka da with la, ti
All the Proto-Saharan languages share certain grammatical features. Those grammatical elements shared by Dravidian, Elamite, Sumerian and Black African languages include 1) vowel harmony, 2) absence of initial clusters of consonants, 3) abundance of geminated consonants,4) distinction of inclusive and exclusive pronouns in first person plural, 5) absence of degrees of comparison for adjectives and adverbs as distinct morphological categories, 6) consonant alteration on nominal increments noticed by different classes,7) distinction of completed action among verbal paradigms as against specific tense distinction and 9) use of reduplication for emphasis (and plural). AFFIXES In the Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Dravidian languages words are formed by adding an affix to a radical. In this section we will discuss certain aspects of shared Proto-Saharan morphology.
In these languages suffixes are usually used to create words. These suffixes can be a single consonant (C) or vowel (V), or a monosyllabic form (CV). The most common suffix in Dravidian, Egyptian, Elamite, Manding and Sumerian are the postfixes -ki, -ka and -ta , which are used to denote clans, nationality, lands and countries . PLURAL
In the ProtoSaharan languages the plural is formed by adding -u,-w,-ba, -pa and -lu.In Egyptian, the -w suffix is used to form the plural. In the Dravidian (Dr.) . languages the plural if formed by -lu, especially in Telugu. In the Manding (M) group, and other African languages we find -lu or -u (-w), e.g., M. mogo 'husband,(pl.) mogolu 'husbands'; Telugu magaadu 'husband , man', (pl.) magaalu 'husbands'.
In many Black African languages ba means 'abundance, many'. In Elamite pa or fa is used to make plural numbers, e.g., ko-fa inna 'of the Kings', Bapitu fa-pa "to the Babylonians". The use of -pa, by the Elamites corresponds to the Manding use of the -ba suffix , which is joined to nouns to denote the idea of greatness, physical or moral e.g., na-folo 'good,rich' , no-folo-ba 'great fortune'; and so-kalo 'piece', so-kala-ba 'considerable quarter of a village'.
NEGATIVE In Black African languages including Egyptian the -n, is used to show negation. In Egyptian we often find -nn, e.g., nn wn 'there is nothing'. In Elamite the negative is formed by an uninflected nominal derivative in -n (active participle), e.g., ink 'I not", inr 'he not' and ani 'not'. This suffix is analogous to the M. negative suffix -na, employed as a suffix to -ka, e.g., ka na ku na tara so "I did not say I was going to the house" .
In Tamil the negative verbal participle is formed by suffixing amal or a-mei, e.g., sey (y)-a-mal 'without stopping'. The Tamil suffix -mei is also used as a termination for abstract nouns.
The negative suffix in Manding is -na, which is proceeded by ka and nt'i, e.g., kalu mba-nt'i. In Sumerian the negation of the verb is expressed by the prefixes nu- or la-, e.g., nu-zu "not to know", la-gin "not to fix" and nu-dug "not good. The optative mood are negatived by the element na,na-ma-pad "she may not".
PARTICLES
In Elamite personal nouns are formed by adding -ra, e.g., Kellira 'commander', kutira 'bearer'. This relates to the Manding suffix of the past and present participle -ra, this particle is used to make verbs passive or active, e.g., kyi 'send', kyi-ra 'messenger', gyi (ji) 'dry up', gyi-ra 'arid'.
In Sumerian the dative is expressed by the suffix -ra, which may appear in the form of -ar, -ir , and -ur, e.g., ma-ra 'to me', lugal-e-a-ra ' to the owner of the house'. This parallels the Manding locative suffix -ra, and -la , which can represent 'to,or, for, in ', e.g., tu-ra 'in the forest'.
The Elamite indefinite article is -ra, e.g., Parsar-ra 'a Persian', Afartu-ra 'an Elamite'. This corresponds to the Manding locative suffix -ra, e.g., Ton-ra 'land of Ton'.
The Proto-Saharan languages share the present participle -tu/-to. In Telugu (Tel.),the suffix -tu , is used as the present participle while in the Manding languages -to has the same function e.g., Tel. chestu 'made', M.tege 'to cut', tege-to 'cutting'.
The active participle in Elamite is -n, e.g., talu-n 'writing', or hali-n 'toiling'. This corresponds to the Manding -ni and -li elements e.g., sa 'buy', sanni 'buying', or du-mu 'eat', dumu-ni 'eating'. This -n, active participle is found in many other Black African languages including Egyptian.
The use of the -ka element is frequently found in the formation of Dravidian, Elamite, Egyptian, Manding and Sumerian languages. In Egyptian as outlined by Cheikh Anta Diop, in Nouvelles Recherches Sur l' Egyptien Ancien et Langues Negro-Africaines Modernes (pp.55-57), he outlines the use of /k/ and /t/ , to form agent nouns. In Parente genetique de l'Egyptien Pharonique et des langues Negro-Africaines (p.18), Diop explains the evolution of the -ky, and -kt particles.
In Elamite the passive participle is formed by -ka, e.g., hulta-ka 'done', turu-ka 'said'. This corresponds to the Manding -ka 'make, do',e.g., nyine 'see', nyini-ka 'interogate'.
In the Dravidian and Manding languages -ka, is used to represent the verb 'to be', as well as the subjunctive. For example in Manding languages ka, is a particle of different values, which corresponds to -kaa, the infinitive element in Telugu of the verb ag-uta 'to become'. In Tamil this element appears as aaga. For example, in Manding we have a ka-nye 'it's good'; and in Telugu kaa valenu 'it is necessary'. The same radical -ka represents the optative form in Telugu, e.g., aapani mundara kani 'how is labor given first place?'
In the Dravidian languages the suffixes -ke, -ge and -ka are used as the primitive verb 'to be' or 'to do'. They are usually used with abstract nouns e.g., ol 'to reign', ol-ka 'domination'. This corresponds to the Manding verb 'to do' ke , which is often joined to -la to form derived nouns e.g., sene 'cultivate', sene-li ke-la 'cultivator'.
These languages also share many cognate terms.
ENGLISH SUMERIAN MANDING TAMIL chief kal,kala keletigi gasa(n) field gan ga kalan eye(l) igi akki eye(2) ini,en nya kan arrow kak kala kakam granary kur k'urk'ur kutir road sila sila caalai father pap pa appan lord manus mansa mannan male mu moko maakkal to recite sid siti to buy sa sa cel grain se se seed gen ge 'to sprout'
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Up^
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
In 1989 I compared the Mande (Bambara-Malinke), and Tamil languages to use glottochronology to determine the date of separation for these languages. Below are a few of the cognates.
ENGLISH SUMERIAN MANDING TAMIL
chief kal,kala kele-tigi gasa(n)
field gan ga kalan
eye(l) igi akki
eye(2) ini,en nya kan
arrow kak kala kakam
granary kur k'ur-k'ur kutir
road sila sila caalai
father pap pa appan
lord manus mansa mannan
male mu moko maakkal
to recite sid siti
to buy sa sa cel
grain se se
seed gen ge 'to sprout'
The lexical evidence above supported the hypothesis that a genetic relationship exist between the Mande language which is a member of the Niger-Congo family , Tamil (Dravidian), and Sumerian. This linguistic data illustrates that a common cultural macrostructure is shared by these speakers which subsequently evolved along separate lines.
Given this genetic unity of these languages I call this group of Paleo-African languages situated in Africa and Asia B(lack) Af(rican), S(umerian, Draa(vidian), (E)lam: or Bafsudraalam subset of the Proto-Saharan Superset of languages.(Winters 1989)
The theory of borrowing in ancient time can not account for these morphological, lexicological and phonetic correspondences between Dravidian , Elamite, Egyptian, Manding and Sumerian, because of geographical discontinuity. This cognition illustrates a genetic relationship between the Bafsudraalam subset of the Proto-Saharan family of languages.
In Winters (l989) after a comparison of 100 lexical items from Manding and Dravidian indicated a cognate rate of 70 to 75 percent . The retention rate corresponds to a minimum separation of 1.18 millennia.
Using the standard rates of retention for glottochronology, the rate for corresponding Manding, Sumerian and Tamil terms together is 50 percent retention rate, and suggest a minimum length of separation of 2.29 millennia for the group as a whole.(Winters 1989)
But when we compare Manding-Sumerian the retention rate was 70 percent or a minimum length of separation of 1.18 millennia. A comparison of Sumerian-Tamil corresponds to a 57 percent retention rate or a minimum separation of 1.50 millennia.
The length of separations for these languages are far too recent. Formerly I believed that Sumerian had been absorbed by the Akkadian language much earlier then 2.29 millennia ago. I was wrong Sachs (1976) proved that Sumerian was still in use by the first century C.E. The fact that the retention rate for Sumerian and Mande is 1.18 millennia corresponds to the date for the end of Sumerian writing in Mesopotamia.
Reference: A. Sachs 'The Latest Datable Cuneiform Tablets'; Kramer Anniversary Volume,1976. the passage of time".
Posted by Knowledgeiskey718 (Member # 15400) on :
^^^^^^^^^Yet 20 years later you're still wrong. Clyde, don't you understand that you're wrong about everything you've proposed so far?
NO wonder Clarence Thomas tells us to discard Afro-centrism.......
I wonder how it feels to watch your life work go down the drain......
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Move it up.
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by Knowledgeiskey718: ^^^^^^^^^Yet 20 years later you're still wrong. Clyde, don't you understand that you're wrong about everything you've proposed so far?
NO wonder Clarence Thomas tells us to discard Afro-centrism.......
I wonder how it feels to watch your life work go down the drain......
LOL. Your adoration of Clarence Thomas, is illustrative of your self-hate of African people and being, as an uncle Tom.
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Posted by malibudusul (Member # 19346) on :
Do you have paintings of India before the Aryan invasion?
And paintings of Sumerian?
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Ancient Woman from Indus Valley
sumerian
In textbooks Gutians are passed off as Sumerians.
Gutian....Sumerian
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Posted by MelaninKing (Member # 17444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:Originally posted by Knowledgeiskey718: ^^^^^^^^^Yet 20 years later you're still wrong. Clyde, don't you understand that you're wrong about everything you've proposed so far?
NO wonder Clarence Thomas tells us to discard Afro-centrism.......
I wonder how it feels to watch your life work go down the drain......
LOL. Your adoration of Clarence Thomas, is illustrative of your self-hate of African people and being, as an uncle Tom.
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That's pretty much standard M.O.!
If things are as consistent as always, next he'll be quoting Showell.
Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
Twenty-seven statues of Gudea were found during Ernest de Sarzec's excavations in the court of the palace of Adad-nadin-ahhe in Telloh (ancient Girsu).
Various Gudea sculptures
Gudea (nose broken)
below, same sculpture, side view
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Other Gudea statues:
"Seated statue of Gudea [Probably Tello (ancient Girsu), southern Mesopotamia] (59.2)". In Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2000–. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/02/wam/ho_59.2.htm (October 2006)
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Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Twenty-seven statues of Gudea were found during Ernest de Sarzec's excavations in the court of the palace of Adad-nadin-ahhe in Telloh (ancient Girsu).
Various Gudea sculptures
Gudea (nose broken)
below, same sculpture, side view
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Other Gudea statues:
"Seated statue of Gudea [Probably Tello (ancient Girsu), southern Mesopotamia] (59.2)". In Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 2000–. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/02/wam/ho_59.2.htm (October 2006)
As you probably know just about all the statues you published were reproductions,
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Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
Dr. Cress-Welsing's work has been debated for quite some time now. Many researchers have agreed and validated some of her work..
Exactly what researchers have validated and agreed with Cress-Wesling's work? What parts specifically do they agree with?
Posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova (Member # 15718) on :
I agree with this following reading Dr. Francis Cress-Welsings work, The Isis papers. In this work she speaks of cellular history and it's impact on learning, particularly in people who contain higher concentrations of melanin. It would explain why, following over 400 years of living in America, black Americans are not able to fully transition to the Anglo world-view as easy as Asians, and score lower of standardized anglo-centric based testing. For them, it is not as simple as ingesting material, but rather a complete reversal in their cellular world-view. A decision that when reviewed goes against common sense.
^Exactly how does melanin's "cellular world view" make black folk not score as well on assorted 20th century designed standardized tests? Historical data render this claim dubious, for in fact they show several instances of US blacks outperforming whites on various standardized tests. ---------
All-black Dunbar High School in Washington D.C. prior to the 1960s, for example, achieved performance levels equal to or exceeding that of surrounding white schools. The average IQ at Dunbar was 111 in 1939, and again in 1950, and attendance records in some years showed lower levels of absenteeism than that of surrounding white schools in the District of Columbia. Dunbar also produced a impressive number of black firsts in many fields from naval officers, to the first black federal judge, military general, and cabinet member, and with alumni ranging from jazzman Duke Ellington to the black pioneer in the use of blood plasma.[44] Nor could this be due to creaming of the crop to create a tiny elite of black students. Attendance records suggest Dunbar’s student body was quite representative of the black community it served, and fully one-third of all black students in D.C. passed through its doors in some decades.[44]
Dunbar is not the only example. A record of achievement is documented in several schools across the country. In several New York schools (Harlem) before WWII, black student test scores achieved basic parity with comparable working class white schools on the lower East side—sometimes higher, sometimes lower, but never miles behind as is the case in numerous ghetto schools of the contemporary era. Nor are such patterns necessarily a recent phenomenon. As far back as WWI, black soldiers from various Northern States like New York, Pennsylvania, etc. scored higher on Army intelligence tests than southern whites from various southern states like Mississippi, Alabama and others.[45]
------------------------- Notes: 44. Thomas Sowell, Black Rednecks and White Liberals. pp. 203-245
45. Thomas Sowell, Inside American Education (Basic Books: 1993)
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: I agree with this following reading Dr. Francis Cress-Welsings work, The Isis papers. In this work she speaks of cellular history and it's impact on learning, particularly in people who contain higher concentrations of melanin. It would explain why, following over 400 years of living in America, black Americans are not able to fully transition to the Anglo world-view as easy as Asians, and score lower of standardized anglo-centric based testing. For them, it is not as simple as ingesting material, but rather a complete reversal in their cellular world-view. A decision that when reviewed goes against common sense.
^Exactly how does melanin's "cellular world view" make black folk not score as well on assorted 20th century designed standardized tests? Historical data render this claim dubious, for in fact they show several instances of US blacks outperforming whites on various standardized tests. ---------
All-black Dunbar High School in Washington D.C. prior to the 1960s, for example, achieved performance levels equal to or exceeding that of surrounding white schools. The average IQ at Dunbar was 111 in 1939, and again in 1950, and attendance records in some years showed lower levels of absenteeism than that of surrounding white schools in the District of Columbia. Dunbar also produced a impressive number of black firsts in many fields from naval officers, to the first black federal judge, military general, and cabinet member, and with alumni ranging from jazzman Duke Ellington to the black pioneer in the use of blood plasma.[44] Nor could this be due to creaming of the crop to create a tiny elite of black students. Attendance records suggest Dunbar’s student body was quite representative of the black community it served, and fully one-third of all black students in D.C. passed through its doors in some decades.[44]
Dunbar is not the only example. A record of achievement is documented in several schools across the country. In several New York schools (Harlem) before WWII, black student test scores achieved basic parity with comparable working class white schools on the lower East side—sometimes higher, sometimes lower, but never miles behind as is the case in numerous ghetto schools of the contemporary era. Nor are such patterns necessarily a recent phenomenon. As far back as WWI, black soldiers from various Northern States like New York, Pennsylvania, etc. scored higher on Army intelligence tests than southern whites from various southern states like Mississippi, Alabama and others.[45]
------------------------- Notes: 44. Thomas Sowell, Black Rednecks and White Liberals. pp. 203-245
45. Thomas Sowell, Inside American Education (Basic Books: 1993)
Academic achievement is depended on what you learn in school. Most AA children don't see any benefit from learning so they fail to achieve. Failure to achieve means that students will test poorly.If you are provided good teaching students do well on achievement test.
Today many AA students fail standrdized tests because they are taught higher order thing skills instead of basic numerical and reading skills. Higher order thinking skills don't help you pass a test, because you are answering multiple choice questions--not responding to short essays questions. As result, when students learn basic skills and regularly practice test taking skills they will do well on test.
AAs don't understand this. I remember when I was completing my PhD, while white students formed study groups to prepare for qualifying exams--my AA collegues thought they could prepare alone and often failed the tests. This may be one reason why so many AAs leave grad school ABD (all but the dissertation) instead of PhD.
AA students are not dumb. They see people go to school and fail to get good jobs so they give up.
On the otherhand due to melanin if you find a highly motivated AA student, no European or Asian student can compete. As MK says most of the European education system is aimed at frustrating Blacks and denying them opportunity so they will give up and try to make money illegally.
Melanin gives AAs an advantage in learning based on the genetic memory. The genetic memory would be the meomories AAs have acquired from the experiences of their ancestors. This means that just like people inherent their parents eye color, and etc., we also inherent knowledge. Since our knowledge base goes back to the first Adam and Eva, depending on what you find interesting--can be further eleborated in school if you are interested in learning more about it.
Europeans know this so they encourage AAs to reject school, by providing them, sometimes, teachers who don't care about their future; and living conditions that require them to take chances which often leads to criminal activity.
In conclusion Melanin gives us an advantage in relation to learning--when the AA student is highly motivated to learn something. If your main concern is surviving you are operating on an emotional level and need.
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Posted by the lioness (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Melanin gives AAs an advantage in learning based on the genetic memory. The genetic memory would be the meomories AAs have acquired from the experiences of their ancestors. This means that just like people inherent their parents eye color, and etc., we also inherent knowledge. Since our knowledge base goes back to the first Adam and Eva, depending on what you find interesting--can be further eleborated in school if you are interested in learning more about it.
Europeans know this so they encourage AAs to reject school, by providing them, sometimes, teachers who don't care about their future; and living conditions that require them to take chances which often leads to criminal activity.
In conclusion Melanin gives us an advantage in relation to learning--when the AA student is highly motivated to learn something. If your main concern is surviving you are operating on an emotional level and need.
Clyde you have noted that having more melanin means having a greater ability to learn but apparently having melanin is no help in motivation.
But what about education in Africa? There must be some African nations that have educational systems suited to Africans?
Also what about the AA's who have highly educated parents and graduate top Ivy league schools in America? Isn't it all environment rather than we learn in some innately different way? Education is not culturally emphasised in African American culture. What is emphasied is the myth of the hustler who goes legit. An individulal like Jay Z or 50 Cent, who through their cleverness ( and luck to not have done long jail bids) were able to bypass education altogether and "beat the system". In other words instead of becoming highly learned, knowledgable and educated, hustle you way to success. Yes this has worked
for a tiny few and millions of failures not seen, people who would not be failures had they had a little more education.
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