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Originally posted by Batman, non-stop, righteous machine:
the reason of the Mal

"But whosoever turns away from My Message, verily for him is a life narrowed down, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Judgment."
how to solve this?
back to Allah.
pray, repent,
call Allah,
read Quran,
listen to Quran.
do righteous stuff.
pay for the sick the ill vist orphans
learn Islam
zekr Allah all times
say ' alhamd Lellah sob7an Allah' La illah Ella Allah

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Do you think you will solve this because you love God or afraid of his punishment?
And why the relation with God in "Islam" depend on frighten from his punishment in life even after death in Grave?

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Originally posted by loveforever:
John 5:3, NRSV. "For the love of God is this, that we obey His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

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Can u ask the bibolologist about the chain of narration of that upove verse. If u ask The islam scientists they will tell u the narration by names and by history

another question, y the bible of the seeweed banned in the church?
do u know about the Yahoza bible recently discovered? y the coptic deny it saying they have no evidence that that is from Jesus? do they have eveidenc that the book they believe in is from Jesus?


btw, y dont u see this verse in Quran.

قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."



I ask Allah to open ur heart to the truth before death

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Do you think you will solve this because you love God or afraid of his punishment?
And why the relation with God in "Islam" depend on frighten from his punishment in life even after death in Grave? [/QB]

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Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee:
''bible of the seeweed''? Oh my. Too funny

Me thinks Batty aspires to be a Prophet. Prophet Batty Borat (seaweed be upon him.)

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I love eating seaweed....... like the ones that wraps Sushi

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Do you think you will solve this because you love God or afraid of his punishment?
And why the relation with God in "Islam" depend on frighten from his punishment in life even after death in Grave?

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Ditto [/QB]

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خليكي كده ضايعة زيهم

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Do you think you will solve this because you love God or afraid of his punishment?
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خليكي كده ضايعة زيهم [/QB]

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Translation, " stay lost like them "

Honey I am not lost..... you are

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Honey I am not lost..... you are

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طيب براحتك أنا أقمت عليكم الحجة قدام ربنا انتوا بقا خلوا بالكم من نفسكم

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Honey I am not lost..... you are

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طيب براحتك أنا أقمت عليكم الحجة قدام ربنا انتوا بقا خلوا بالكم من نفسكم

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SWYS is right

you honestly believe you're a prophet?

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Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

I ask Allah to open ur heart to the truth before death:

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The christians following Jesus as per Islamic God said in Quran Sura Al-Imran 3-55 which says:

[55] Behold! Allah said: "O 'Isa! I will take thee and raise thee to myself and clear thee (of the falsehood) of those who blaspheme ;(Non christians) ,I will make those who follow thee (christians) superior to those who reject Faith (non christians), to the Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute

إِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ
The verse

And we are following the Gospels as per Quran Sura Al-Maéda 5-46,47
[46] And in their footsteps We sent 'Isa the son of Maryam, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

[47] Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
وَقَفَّيْنَا عَلَى آثَارِهِم بِعَيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ الإِنجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدًى وَنُورٌ وَمُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَهُدًى وَمَوْعِظَةً لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ الإِنجِيلِ بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فِيهِ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ

And God can't ask us to follow the Gospels then leave it to be corrupted

The verses

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u dont believe in hell or paradise

can u tell me please where the rapper and killer of women and childen will go ?

u think Jesus will take the mistakes of all human being and all people will be in the paradise?


The prophet Muhammed said Worship Allah to enter the paradise or to escape hell or both

some people love the paradise and worship Allah for it
some people fear the fire then worship Allah for escaping from it

Some people have both

some people has none. losers?

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But if you pay close attention to how Jesus described his god and how Muhammad described his, you’ll see there is a world of difference.

The Jesus that Muslims talk about is not the same Jesus followed by the Christians. Muslims think the Bible is corrupted and therefore following it is the same as shirk or kufr (disbelief).

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ROFL

how many 'gods' you think there are?

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Loveforever, you have added the words christians and non-christians here, its not there in the original text its your interpretation of it.
yes I see,

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Muslims follow ALL prophets as they all follow the same laws, therefore a Muslim will also be following the way and teachings of Jesus (pbuh).

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Loveforever, you have added the words christians and non-christians here, its not there in the original text its your interpretation of it.
yes I see,

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Because I found most of all interpretation in English is not the same as Arabic they are changing the bad words which seems not good to non Arabic speakers and may make them thinking more before converting

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-Sura Al-Imran 3-54
[54] And (then Unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

They replaced the word "slyness" by"planned"because it describes Allah by cunning
The verse

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Sura Al-Israa 17-16
[16] When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then We destroy them utterly.

They replaced the word"village"by" population" and changed the other words by another, the verse should be "if we want to destroy a village, we ordered their richness so they dissoluted inside, so that the word is proved true against them: then We destroy them utterly.
The verse

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There are a lot of examples like that in Quran,So who is changing now?

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Loveforever I think i did get the point. Ok taking out of context and just using the word criminals or leaders on their own then yes i agree they are different. Put either one in the context it was written in the sura its the 'rest' of the words make it the same meaning. Its saying that the leaders were criminals. It gives the same meaning.

The Quran was in Arabic, its style is uncopied. I know when i read 'the translation of the meaning of the Quran' I am not getting the FULL thing because I read in English, inshaAllah one day i will read it in Arabic and understand it. The translation into English does not take away the meaning for me at all.

Do you read the Bible in Aramaic and Hebrew??

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I am not reading the bible in Hebrew and this is not like MY point about Quran because christians don't stand on the miraculously of Bible's words as Muslims doing with Quran,and we don't say that the miracle of Jesus was the Gospels,this why the bible was the first book in the world translated to more than 1200 languages,my question was very clear,if the miracle of Mohammed is Quran for its good Arabic style so after translation to english you won't find any miracle to Mohammed,so in what basis you believe in his prophethood?

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There is a challenge in Quran to write a sura like it, its never been done. In Arabic.

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Muslims dogmatically believe that nobody can produce a sura like what is stated in Quran and when Muslims are challenged regarding their faith, they turn to this claim as an irrefutable proof. But it's true for the orthodox Muslims only for the non Muslims.

There is a subtle but very real circularity for believing Muslims. The circularity goes like this: If you're an orthodox Muslim, you believe that the entire Quran is the very word of God, and is therefore inerrant. As an implication of this, he also believes that there is no other writing as eloquent as the Quran. Therefore, any attempt to "produce a Sura like this" must fail - thus verifying that the Quran is the very word of God and inerrant. In fact, the verse following the challenge affirms the impossibility of producing such a Sura (to the Muslim), and threatens disbelievers with the Fire whose fuel is men and stones:

"But if ye cannot -and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith." ~Quran 2.24 (trans. A. Yusuf Ali)

It is no surprise then, that no Muslims have found any sura equal to the Quranic text so far. The surprise would be if they had, since even admitting the possibility of a better Sura contradicts 2:24, which says "of a surety ye cannot," hence being a sign of disbelief.

When I see a challenge like this it does not convince me of the Quran's truth. It does rather the opposite, making me suspect that the message is false. (By the way, I mean no offense to any Muslims who may read this. I just couldn't think of any inoffensive way to say this.)

Anyway, there are lot of people who are quite successful of producing Sura similar to Quran. Among them there are Atheists, Christian, Hindus or even Muslims. Here is one of the web-site (run by a Christian, I presume) took the challenge and produced suras like Quranic ayat. If any one is interested, he/she may enter the following site to see the proof: http://suralikeit.com/

Even an ordinary people who knows Arabic quite a bit, can try to produce suras similar to Quran who have some inherent poetic capability. Now million dollar Question is, Who are going to be the judges? If an orthodox Muslim is the judge, he will instantly say, "All your creations are rubbish!" So real circularity remains within the challenge. That's why Ali Dashti honestly stated that "Neither the Quran's eloquence nor its moral and legal precepts are miraculous."

The True Furqan

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so what you are saying is that Quran is not a miracle when translated into English and so Muhammed (pbuh) produced no miracle so how can i believe he is a prophet?

Sorry but that doesnt make sense.

There is a challenge in Quran to write a sura like it, its never been done. In Arabic.

Prophets dont always have to have 'miracles' to prove prophethood.

You dont seem to understand my belief in Islam at all. If you can read Arabic then please read Quran.

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I have to respect your belief,this is what I can say.

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Thank you loveforever, and I respect yours too. And also thank you for a very pleasant and polite discussion

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loveforever, you are now talking about 'muslims' not 'Islam', i am discussing Islam not muslims. I think first you need to see there is a vast difference.

Did you read satanic verses?? There was a lot of lust for either maggie thatcher or the Queen of England i forget which one. Thats not in Quran obviously and dont assume that because 'some' muslims start shouting death to him and others because of what they wrote, that that's Islamic or that all other muslims support that.

when you linked to the true furqan it was not to show me any challenge that had been tried it was linked as Quran, which I pointed out to you then it was NOT quran.

My belief:

I believe in One God, the creator of mankind, the universe and everything in it. I believe that He gave a message to many prophets in different times and places. The main part of that message being worship Him and only Him.

I do not worship Muhammed (pbuh) and i do not worship jesus (pbuh) or any other man on this earth, they were messengers to deliver the messages.

The Quran was 'authored' by God, this is my opinion and the opinion of many others, even non-muslims including professors. There are references in Quran that NO ONE at that time could possibly know as science has only found these things during the last 50 years or so, these are in Quran from 1400+ years ago. Read Dr Kieth L Moore's The Developing Human

"Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages."
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LIAR ..NO HE IS NOT AND U KNOW THAT U CAN NOT BE THAT STOPID
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"In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”
Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”"
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QUR'AN IS ONLY SOME LOGIC SIGH AND NOT SCIENCE
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on the origin of the universe:
"Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists. He is Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. He said: “Thinking where Muhammad came from . . . I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.” Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”"

There are many other things in Quran that have only recently been discovered by science, that Muhammed could not have known then, this proves to me this is the word of God, the creator.
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I believe Quran to be the 'final' message from God and Muhammed to be the 'final' messenger sent to us as humans.

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