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im american and i tell you that even though they say america is no.1, i dont think that way. yea we are free to do whatever we want, but then thats why 13 yr olds are having babies. there is no culture here, except whatever you do in your own family. its really kinda boring here. why do you think so many americans suffer from depression and anxiety and stress? more than i have ever seen in any other country. people here dont give a crap about each other. every summer you hear on the news about raped dead little girls found on the highway and shootings on every corner where i am from. see what 'freedom' gets ya?
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I understand what you mean in theory Miss. Jambi and I do agree, I always keep up with my local state/city news online here from Egypt and the longer I am here the more I realize the crime I left behind. However, there are such things I didn't have to deal with there that I do have to deal with here, so it's a trade off. I agree though, america being #1 is a silly concept, something indoctrinated in us as children when we recite the pledge of alliegance to the flag everyday at school...what a crock that was ! Posts: 13440 | Registered: Feb 2006
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there is a price to pay for a free society. You cannot have everything and yes, obviously America is #1 and the world's only superpower. If that was not the case everyone here would not be talking about us ALL THE TIME.
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quote:Originally posted by BushFan: there is a price to pay for a free society. You cannot have everything and yes, obviously America is #1 and the world's only superpower. If that was not the case everyone here would not be talking about us ALL THE TIME.
Not a lot of people a good stuff to say about America. Its like a spoiled child who prefer bad attention insted of no attention at all.....
I just read in the danish news paper today that the crime rate in US has gone up with 3,7 percent which places US in top of the most dangerous countries to live.
And your right guns has no brain and that its people who kill people but what does that say about America??? Maybe it was time for the world to invade the US to get rid of the powerfull weapon manufatures who run the US, - and also that bush bully who "tries to make the world a safer place". He should start in his own backyard.
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i think that people talk about america here all the time because its just a confusing place to live. Everything here is backwards...from raising kids to being convicted in court for something. A man rapes a girl and gets a few years, while a man kills a dog and gets life. I mean, this place is like the Devils Advocate...you get everything you need but really gotta pay for it.
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quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers: I agree though, america being #1 is a silly concept, something indoctrinated in us as children when we recite the pledge of alliegance to the flag everyday at school...what a crock that was !
I disagree, I've traveled the world extensively...wouldn't want to live or be anything else. We do have our sins and problems but we are a free society and you can make yourself what you want to be here. It truly is the land of the free...do we have some cities with extreme poverty...yes, but there is hope and help for those truly in need. Sadly, far more losers take advantage of the system and make it worse for those who truly need the help. And to say poverty in America is reaching third world proportions, uh, that's just bullshit...I've seen Compton/So. Central/Harlem and I've seen parts of Alexandria, Cairo, Tahrir, Mexico City, Costa Rica...the list goes on...those third world country poverty makes ours look like a country club..Health care: tell me why we've got so many foreigners running to the U.S., including my Egyptian family, to have the government pay for their knee replacements, breast cancer, ect.ect.????
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"""open thier mind" she is really saying that if you do not agree with her you must have a closed mind""
No, Bushfan, what I said was exactly what I meant; which was OPEN YOUR EYES AND EARS. People from other countries are talking to you and telling you how they feel about the US and you are in such a defensive mode that you are not LISTENING (which is obvious when you misquoted me) to them. That is what I meant about blind loyalty (thankyou smuckers and welsafty)! How can anyone support a war in this day and age, are we that incapable of communication, negotiation and mediation.
Bush is a bully and it is his way or the highway, you can't work in a global economy and deal with other nations that way. I am the first one to argue for a country's right to defend themselves but is war the only answer.
Critical thought....for example, I am very unhappy with the fact that Canada is sending troops over, it is against everything that Canada has ever represented in this world which is being a peace-keeping nation. We have a new prime minister (who I hope gets kicked out in the new election) who sent troops over against our countries fundamental beliefs. I love my country but I am capable of seeing its faults and regrettably taking part in this war is one of them.
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"America is not a bully, thats just envy speaking" - Bushfan
USA is consistently bullying Canada and trust me, Canadians have nothing to envy your country. In fact, you are the idiot of every joke people tell.
Canada has more guns per habitant than the US and yet, 1/10th of gun violence, so its not about gun ownership laws, its your mindset.
As Denmark said, free healthcare do not ruin nations and have nothing to do with social classes. Free healthcare in Canada is of equivalent standards to yours in terms of quality of care, but much higher in terms of accessibility.
Same with free -or almost free- education up to the highest levels. Also take note that USA pupils rate lower than all other developped nations.
On all UN standards of living rating charts, the US scores very low compared to Canada and Scandinavian countries.
Whats so great about your country? Strong military and strong economy, sure, but that doesnt make you the greatest.
Stop bullying the rest of the world and you wont have so many dead bodies to hide.
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Sparkle, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the war, I'm totally against it as most Americans are (BushFan is an aberrant anomoly) but what I'm arguing about is some posters desire to portray America as a society that doesn't care about its people or justice or is just all about consumerism and commercialism. This is false. Americans are the BIGGEST contributors to charities and causes around the world, in other words, are by far the most generous people on earth. Also, social services and volunteerism and organizations dedicated to the cause of human rights are born of the American spirit. I think there are alot of sour grapes syndrome passing through here...I'm the first to acknowledge and admit to the problems we have but to try and tear America's great qualities down...that is where I take issue.
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Canada Goes To Hell Legal pot? Legal gay marriage? Universal health care? What's next, free porn and candy?
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, December 15, 2004
Did you hear the screams? Did you feel the menacing chill? Did you see the black and ominous clouds, moving north?
Did you sense, in other words, the very presence of Satan himself as he laughed maniacally and tossed around bucketfuls of ultrathin condoms and little travel-size packets of Astroglide like confetti while riding his Harley Softail up to Toronto or maybe Edmonton to join the ghastly and sodomitic celebrations?
Because it's happened. Canada's high court just ruled that the government can, if it so desires, redefine marriage to include gay couples, which it has declared it will do almost immediately, thus solidifying Canada's place as the chilly yet mellow and gay friendly and hockey-riffic epicenter of all known hell.
It's true. It's rather amazing. Gay marriage will be completely legal in Canada very soon. It's been oddly ignored in much of the U.S. media and hasn't really been much discussed among those in the terrified red states except when, deep in the night, from their respective lumpy twin beds, they whisper to each other across the room as they pop their Ambien and stroke their portfolios and curse their very genitals: oh my God what's wrong with those freakin' Canadians?
I mean (they continue), I thought they loved red meat and brutish sports and manly hunting. Are they all just freaks and perverts now? Have they been sniffing too many elk pelts? Is it something in the clean and plentiful water up there? Something to do with those weird French-esque people in Quebec, maybe?
I knew we should've been paying more attention to that border! Didn't I say so, honey? Didn't I say we should keep an eye on those northern weirdos after they dissed the Iraq war and legalized medical pot and sort of went about their happy and calm Canadian business whilst we here in panicky red-blooded America chewed our own karmic legs off in a paranoid and jingoistic rage? Hippies and perverts, I said! Save a few bombs for Ontario, George, I say!
Let us now do the naughty math: Canada has roughly 32 million inhabitants, of whom about 75 percent are over 18, of whom it can be loosely estimated that anywhere from 2 to 8 percent are gay (depends, of course, on who you ask).
All of which translates into a ballpark figure of anywhere from 1 million to 2 million gay Canadians of legal marrying age who will now eagerly laugh and kiss in the streets and confound poor reactionary born-again George W. Bush, and they will flash their wedding rings at parties and annoy all the single people, all while proving for the umpteenth time that love knows no gender limitations or legal restrictions and will trump your whiny sanctimonious religious puling any given Sunday. Heathens!
It's getting more confusing by the minute, isn't it? I mean, Canada now has legal medical pot and legal gay marriage and universal health care and no known terrorist enemies and a relatively successful multiparty political system. They also have, according to U.N.'s Human Development Index, one of the highest qualities of life in the world. All coupled with a dramatically reduced rate of gun violence and far better gun-control legislation than the U.S., despite having the exact same per capita rate of gun ownership and gun-sport enthusiasm.
What the hell? How is this possible? Why aren't they scared to death like whiny red-state Americans? Why don't they want to kill each other along with anything that might threaten their access to televised hockey and cheap beer and yummy poutine?
Aren't they aware of what's happening in the world? Don't they know they are openly hated for their freedoms and their cafés and their vinegared french fries? Aren't they human, fer Chrissakes? Oh, red states. How confused and irritated you must be.
After all, unlike the U.S., Canada backed the Kyoto Treaty (along with 165 other heathen nations). They also spend more per capita on education and less on health-care overhead than the U.S. They have a $10 billion federal surplus, a new record. They are not, as of yet, abusing the hell out of their vast natural resources (freshwater, huge forests, oil and natural gas, mineral deposits, etc.) and embarrassing themselves on a global scale every single day and making a mockery of their constitution or their citizens' civil liberties. What the hell is wrong with them?
Yes yes, I know, Canada's universal health care is flawed and not always of the best quality, and a great many Canadians think their prime minister is a bit of a schmuck and they hate paying taxes and of course they can be all profitable and progressive when they don't have a massive bogus unwinnable war to pay for, one run by a ravenous and fiscally idiotic federal government, and they only have one-tenth of our population and one-fiftieth of our desperate consumeristic gluttony. They have it easy, right?
Remember, Canada is boring. Canada is rarely in the news. Canada has no massive belching socioeconomic engine like America does, what with our NASCAR and Hollywood and Fox News and bad porn and the absolute best medical care on the planet despite how only a tiny fraction of us have access to it while the rest languish in bloated abusive HMOs and poverty and disease and 40 percent of us have no access to health care whatsoever. Take that, Canada! Oh wait.
We hate gays and love guns and think pot is evil but hand out Prozac and Zoloft like Chiclets. Meanwhile (as "Bowling for Columbine" so beautifully illuminated), Canadians leave their doors unlocked and don't feature violence and death on every newscast and still value community and diversity and discussion over solipsism and protectionism and a general hatred of foreigners and the French. See? We rule! Oh wait.
All of which makes you wonder: how many more countries will it take? How many more nations will have to, for example, prove that gun licensing works, or that gay-marriage legislation is a moral mperative, or that health care for all is mandatory for a nation's well being, before America finally looks at itself and says, whoa, damn, we are so silly and small and wrong? Is there any number large enough? After the announcement that gay Chinese and gay Russians may legally marry and grow lovely gardens of marijuana as they all get free dental care, will America remain terrified of nipples and queers?
Canadians. So mellow. So laid back. So gay. So not producing any truly superlative modern-rock music or ultraviolent buddy-cop movies and not actively siccing Wal-Mart or Starbucks or Paris Hilton on the rest of the world like a goddamn cancer. They're just so ...nice. And boring. And calm. And solid. And friendly.
And they simply beat us senseless on the whole open-minded, progressive thing. Kicked our flag-wavin' butts. Trounced our egomaniacal self-righteous selves and made the red states look even more foolish and backward than the whole world already knows them to be.
They did it. Canada made the whole gay marriage issue look effortless and obvious and healthy, and a massive black rain of hellfire did not pour down upon them and the very idea of hetero marriage did not immediately explode and their economy did not unravel like all the sneering cardinals and right-wing nutballs screamed it would. We must ask, one last time: what the hell is wrong with them?
Oh wait. Maybe we should rephrase. What the hell, we should be asking,is wrong with us?
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Whats so great about your country? Strong military and strong economy, sure, but that doesnt make you the greatest..
Her people are what make it great. Academia, research across every spectrum of technology , medical advancements, education for special needs children;
Accessibility of healthcare in Canada? So an average, middleclass Canadian needs a diagnostic procedure and can get it done the same day? I think not.
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Most of the people who have something negative to say about America have an agenda of one kind or the other. Sparkle calls president Bush a bully. Millions of us who know and love President Bush know that its just nonsense. I noticed that when he flew to London last year to meet with Mr. Blair on ways to raise investment capital for Africa not a person here said a word.
The fact is there is not a person on this board who wants us out of Iraq more than President Bush. An end to the Iraq war would be the best thing for him personally. He knows as does our foreign policy establishment that if we backed out of the middle east it would lead to chaos that will result in the deaths of millions. This is not a war of choice. Sparkle and those who think like her do not understand that, but they will in time.
There are two different visions of the world out there, one in the middle east and one in the west. Both of these visions cannot survive in the world together. In the end one will win and the other will fade away into history. Like in 1938 when Chamberlain tried to talk to Hitler, there is no middle ground, no place to compromise. If there was a way we would already have found it.
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"Accessibility of healthcare in Canada? So an average, middleclass Canadian needs a diagnostic procedure and can get it done the same day? I think not."
Obviously not, just like in your country, people need an appointment to see a specialist, unless its an emergency of course. There is no major difference of procedures; I used to live in Washington DC and I went to the doctor on a few occasions. Its the same.
and again, remove all "class" allusions because in Canada everybody have the same rights to access medical care.
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annie, In terms of gay marriage in Canada all you nare doing is legalizing perverts. Any guy that sticks another guys pecker in his mouth is a nasty pervert. What you have demonstrated is simply how fast your culture is sliding into hedonism.
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"Americans are regularly told by politicians and the media, that America is the world's most generous nation. This is one of the most conventional pieces of 'knowledgeable ignorance'.
According to the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the US gave between $6 and $15 billion in foreign aid in the period between 1995 and 1999. In absolute terms, Japan gives more than the US, between $9 and $15 billion in the same period. But the absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations.
As former President Jimmy Carter commented: 'We are the stingiest nation of all'. Denmark is top of the table, giving 1.01% of GDP, while the US manages just 0.1%. The United Nations has long established the target of 0.7% GDP for development assistance, although only four countries actually achieve this: Denmark, 1.01%; Norway, 0.91%; the Netherlands, 0.79%; Sweden, 0.7%. Apart from being the least generous nation, the US is highly selective in who receives its aid. Over 50% of its aid budget is spent on middle-income countries in the Middle East, with Israel being the recipient of the largest single share" "Why do people hate America?" by Ziauddin Sardar and Merryl Wyn Davies, 2002. p79
Not only that, but according to one source cited by Sarder & Davies, 80% of that aid itself actually goes to American companies in those foreign countries.
22nd over 22. yep, real generous!
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Thursday, 12 April 2007 'Death to US': Anti-Americanism examined
The US is perceived by many as an international bully, a modern day imperial power. At this critical moment in history, Washington correspondent Justin Webb challenges that idea.
He argues anti-Americanism is often a cover for hatreds with little justification in fact. His three part series takes him to Cairo, Caracas and Washington but it begins where anti-Americanism began - in Paris.
In the Abbey Churchyard in the lovely English city of Bath, groups of demonstrators, many - though not all - of them Quakers, regularly gather to protest against the iniquities of the world.
My dear mother Gloria Webb, who died last year, was one of the protesters. In her day, she was an energetic duffle-coated figure who wanted to ban the bomb, stop wars of all kinds and suffering anywhere.
She was a wonderful person, my mum, and so were her friends. Yet it always struck me, when she told me about these protests (and when, I freely confess, I attended them with enthusiasm as a youngster) that there was an odd one-sidedness to the game.
The protests against nuclear weapons, for instance, concentrated on American weapons. The anti-war rallies were against American-led wars. The anti death penalty campaign focused on Texas.
A pattern was emerging and has never seriously been altered. A pattern of willingness to condemn America for the tiniest indiscretion - or to magnify those indiscretions - while leaving the murderers, dictators, and thieves who run other nations oddly untouched.
In the beginning
And if anti-Americanism is alive and well among surprisingly mild-mannered people in Britain - how much more virulent must it be in tougher parts of the world?
To find out, I have visited Venezuela, where the nation's leader Hugo Chavez compares George W Bush to Hitler, and Egypt, where the regime warns of a tide of stars and stripes burning if its hold on power is weakened.
And Paris. Paris? Yes Paris - where it all began.
Anti-Americanism was born in France. And here's a fascinating fact: it was born well before the United States existed. It was not caused by Coca-Cola, or McDonald's, or Hollywood or George W Bush.
The prevailing view among French academics throughout the 18th Century was that the New World was ghastly. It stank, it was too humid for life to prosper. And, as one European biologist put it: "Everything found there is degenerate or monstrous."
In their heart of hearts, many French people still believe that to be true.
A French intellectual once compared the United States with Belgium. Wounding. But you see what he meant: the French capital has a grandeur about it that demands attention on the world stage. Belgium does not, nor does most of America.
Washington is grand but Washington was designed by a Frenchman and his vision didn't fit the rest of the nation. America is ordinary. Go on say it out loud on the streets of Paris: "America is ordinary". It celebrates the pursuit of small-scale happiness - in families and communities - and that is what the anti-Americans can't stand.
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In the heart of Paris, there is the Avenue Franklin Roosevelt. Roosevelt, the man who helped defeat Nazi Germany and liberate Parisian streets, is celebrated here. And the point many French people make is that they would celebrate George W Bush, too, if they agreed with him. The source of anti-Americanism is plain they say. As one interviewee told us: "It's the policies, Stupid."
Well up to a point: in Paris there is plenty of evidence to be found that anti-Americanism is way more than that, that it's not simply reasonable opposition to the things America does.
The kind of anti-Americanism fostered by French intellectuals down the centuries revolves around intense dislike of what America is - not what it does.
Sitting in the Cafe de Flore, in the very seat where Jean-Paul Sartre once held sway, the self-described writer and philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy puts it like this: America became the nightmare that French right-wing intellectuals long feared, a nation built not on respectable ties of blood and tradition but on the self-conscious desire to create something new.
Antagonism
Levy is sympathetic to the US, and a book he wrote on his travels there, American Vertigo, is a balanced and thoughtful piece of work.
But such balance is, according to Levy, missing in the French political debate on American power and American life. He describes a process whereby this antagonism to the fundamentals of the USA - to the kind of democracy that celebrates and encourages ordinariness - migrates hither and thither in the French body politic.
It began on the right but now in the shape of Jose Bove (the anti-McDonald's campaigner, and presidential candidate) and other luminaries of the left, it lives on.
And this is not a recent migration brought on by Mr Bush. In May 1944 (just weeks before American GIs landed on the beaches of Normandy), Hubert Beuve-Mery, the founder of Le Monde newspaper - certainly no mouthpiece of the right - wrote this: "The Americans represent a real danger for France, different from the one posed by Germany or the one with which the Russians may - in time - threaten us. The Americans may have preserved a cult of Liberty but they do not feel the need to liberate themselves from the servitude which their capitalism has created. "
It is time that we understood that this attitude, this contempt for what democracy can do, is at the heart of at least some of the anti-Americanism we see in the world today. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6547881.stm "Death to America": Anti-Americanism examined will be broadcast on Radio 4 over three weeks starting on 16 April at 2000 BST.
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Another compassionate conservative Republican bites the dust. Rush Limbaugh called in to groom BushFan and Michael Richards as interium replacements. Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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annie, Problem is that in real dollars we still give more and real dollars is what the nations that recieve the money care about. This is typical of a socialist mindset. What you leave out is that America in almost everyone's largest market. We provide trillions in trade revnue around the world. American companies moving into other nations provide billions in wages with new jobs. Your post smacks of anti american spin. We have been heraring this stuff since wwII.
Further, to even compare Canadian health care to what you can get in the United States is absurd. At least a small amout of objectivity is a good thing.
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The good thing is that it came out in the open. The bad thing is the arrogance of it all. Wolfowitz is talking of the high salaryraise he gave his arabic feminist mistress. He adresses this in his article as 'what is on everyone's mind'and not mentioning the issue. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:21295972~pagePK:34370~piPK:34424~theSitePK:4607,00.html I wonder how Ayaan is doing. There must be something between elderly conservative statesmen and liberal feminists!:-)
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It has been accurately accessed and stated decades ago. The premise still holds true today. Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:Originally posted by BushFan: annie, Problem is that in real dollars we still give more and real dollars is what the nations that recieve the money care about. This is typical of a socialist mindset.
Not per citizen then you are fare below a lot of other countries. Dont forget all the money America "hands out" they often finds its way back to the US because there is a rule that says it has to spent the money on American contractors. So dont play a hero - In america its like in the jungle: Survievel of the fittest.
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Its called capitalism Tibe. The point is that capitalism is dynamic, socialism is static. Those american contractors you speak of provide wonderful jobs for millions of working families.
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Let's see what Martin Luther King had to say about the party of the Dixiecrats in his autobiography.
In San Francisco, the Republican Party had taken a giant stride away from its Lincoln tradition, and the results of election day graphical) illustrate how tragic this was for the two-party system in America Those who sought to turn back the tide of history suffered a bitty defeat, and in the process degraded themselves and their party in manner seldom witnessed on our national political scene. The force of goodwill and progress dealt a telling blow to the fanaticism of the right, and Americans swallowed their prejudices in the interests of progress, prosperity, and world peace.
One of the more promising aspects of the election was that the grand alliance of labor, civil rights forces, intellectual and religious, leaders was provided with its second major victory within a year. This was the coalition which had to continue to grow in depth and breadth, if we were to overcome the problems which confronted us.
President Johnson had the opportunity to complete the job which was started by Roosevelt and interrupted by the war. Our very survival as a nation depended on the success of several rather radical reforms. The key to progress was still to be found in the states which President Johnson lost to Goldwater. Until the Southern power block was broken and the committees of our Congress freed from the domination of racists and reactionaries within the Democratic Party, we could not expect the kind of imagination and creativity which this period in history demanded from our federal government.
The problems of poverty, urban life, unemployment, education, housing, medical care, and flexible foreign policy were dependent on positive and forthright action from the federal government. But so long as men like Senators Eastland, Russell, Byrd, and Ellender held the positions of power in our Congress, the entire progress of our nation was in as grave a danger as the election of Senator Goldwater might have produced. The battle was far from won. It had only begun. The main burden of reform would still be upon the Negro.
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Why hurt Don Imus for saying what he said but not the entire hip hop community who say the same things everyday * hypocrittical
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quote:Originally posted by BushFan: Its called capitalism Tibe. The point is that capitalism is dynamic, socialism is static. Those american contractors you speak of provide wonderful jobs for millions of working families.
I now but dont try to portray American as a nation who hands out money to poor people from their goodness of their heart........We have capitalism to but we mix it with socialism and it works better for the large majority than it does in the US. We dont have as many poor people like you do, or as many sick dying people who cant afford hospital, or a high criminal statistic. We however dont have as many who are extremely rich - (not to mention that the US laws doesnt apply to rich people, here in Denmark everybody get convicted for the crimes they commit ebenthough they are rich)- but we do have a VERY VERY VERY large middleclass of citizen and less than 3 percent of the danish populations is without a job........So you can keep the great kapitalism in the US while the rest of us will relax today because we also maximum have to work 37 hours a week to get all of thoose nice benefits that we have Posts: 528 | From: Denmark | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Elham*: Why hurt Don Imus for saying what he said but not the entire hip hop community who say the same things everyday * hypocrittical
You are not American, are you?
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It's actually Imus's writers and the show's producers that should have been fired. They are the same producers that create frontmen Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, and Jerry Springer.
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Bushfan, you are ignorant. What is next from your mouth...I am sure in your mind you call blacks "niggers" or Mexican "spicks" as you do gay people "perverts". These are people, people, ....I am disgusted by your stupidity....What gives you the right to define what is right and wrong with people!! Sorry, but you are not GOD! (my apologies to blacks & mexicans - just trying to make a point.)
Annie 81 - right on sister!! The latest UN stats ranked us No. 1 in terms of standard of living. At least our taxes pay for education, healthcare, taking care of our elderly rather than funding another unwinnable war. You are even to stupid to remember your own history. Vietnam! Now that was a good spend of money and human life
You are demonstrating exactly the thing that THE WHOLE WORLD hates about the US - your inability to see anything from any other angle.... I always laugh when I see the US news where they talk about indocrination of other countries. The US has the largest propaganda machine of any country in this world and you are a perfect example of how SOME Americans are not able to look outside its boundaries.
Again, open your eyes and ears and learn from what other people are telling you.
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Mrs. Tibe, good point, only in the US would someone be able to kill their wife and get away with, not only get away with it but write a book and sell the rights in order to profit from it. Great justice system.
Thank God, the company that got the publishing rights for OJ's book went bankrupt today!!
Actually if one is going to look at a justice system that works, I think Britain is an excellent example, how many years have bobbies not carried guns and maintained order. (I think you do carry them now but for years peace was maintained by respect of the force). Britain probably has the best education system as well, there are no equivalents to Oxford and Cambridge for producing great scholars.
One last point Bushfan, if you look at the Canadian constitution what we have emphasized is law, order and good government compared to the US which states that every citizen has the right to bear arms.
There is nothing more scary than an ignorant person carrying a fire weapon.
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quote:Originally posted by Sparkle16: Mrs. Tibe, good point, only in the US would someone be able to kill their wife and get away with, not only get away with it but write a book and sell the rights in order to profit from it. Great justice system.
Thank God, the company that got the publishing rights for OJ's book went bankrupt today!!
Actually if one is going to look at a justice system that works, I think Britain is an excellent example, how many years have bobbies not carried guns and maintained order. (I think you do carry them now but for years peace was maintained by respect of the force). Britain probably has the best education system as well, there are no equivalents to Oxford and Cambridge for producing great scholars.
One last point Bushfan, if you look at the Canadian constitution what we have emphasized is law, order and good government compared to the US which states that every citizen has the right to bear arms.
There is nothing more scary than an ignorant person carrying a fire weapon.
Sparkele, come on...you've got to be kidding...only in the U.S. can someone kill their wife and get away with it? That is hogwash...the truth is, domestic violence laws in the U.S. are among the most stringent in the world...why don't you investigate countries such as Egypt, Pakistan, INdia, Saudi Arabia, uh..so called Muslim countries and see how much the "law" protects women from their husbands!!!!! I mean, now you've lost complete credibility by your assinine statement! Men murder their wives in Islamic countries and get away with it, or with a slap on the wrist FAR more often than they do in the U.S.
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Sparkle, Blacks and Mexicans have NOTHING to do with perverts. Do you support child porn? Where do you draw the line? Hopefully after you pass this marriage law all of our homos will move up there with you. Fact is that Canada is tied to the United States. Much of your economy is American owned and without our trade you would be living in an igloo.
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quote:Originally posted by Sparkle16: Mrs. Tibe, good point, only in the US would someone be able to kill their wife and get away with, not only get away with it but write a book and sell the rights in order to profit from it. Great justice system.
Thank God, the company that got the publishing rights for OJ's book went bankrupt today!!
Actually if one is going to look at a justice system that works, I think Britain is an excellent example, how many years have bobbies not carried guns and maintained order. (I think you do carry them now but for years peace was maintained by respect of the force). Britain probably has the best education system as well, there are no equivalents to Oxford and Cambridge for producing great scholars.
One last point Bushfan, if you look at the Canadian constitution what we have emphasized is law, order and good government compared to the US which states that every citizen has the right to bear arms.
There is nothing more scary than an ignorant person carrying a fire weapon.
Sparkele, come on...you've got to be kidding...only in the U.S. can someone kill their wife and get away with it? That is hogwash...the truth is, domestic violence laws in the U.S. are among the most stringent in the world...why don't you investigate countries such as Egypt, Pakistan, INdia, Saudi Arabia, uh..so called Muslim countries and see how much the "law" protects women from their husbands!!!!! I mean, now you've lost complete credibility by your assinine statement! Men murder their wives in Islamic countries and get away with it, or with a slap on the wrist FAR more often than they do in the U.S.
Several actors have done so and gotten away with it. Michael Jackson cant keep his filthy has away from little boys but doesnt get convicted, Paris Hilton can get caught drunk and driving without jailtime ( a poor black guy would have gotten a beating and 3 month in jail). Thats just a few exambles of that the "freedom" and justice in the US is only for thoose who have the money for a fancy lawyver.....makes me wanna puke.
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Money for a lawyer helps no matter which country you live in. At least in the United States you have the FREEDOM to make some money if you have talent and are willing to work.
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The old saying that "money talks, and bs walks" is all too true for any country (including the US).
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quote:Originally posted by BushFan: Money for a lawyer helps no matter which country you live in. At least in the United States you have the FREEDOM to make some money if you have talent and are willing to work.
We get lawyvers for free and they are all dedicated and good. If you prefer another lawyver you have to pay for it yourself but nobody gets any special treatment just for being rich.
Another subject of interests. Why dont America focus more on all the fanatics in its own country rather than the ones in the middle east??? You have thoose paramilitary ones, the KKK is still very much alive, The new religious sects that ruin a lot of peoples life. Wasnt it a good idea if US tried to focus more on their own problems rather than others....???
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quote:Originally posted by Mrs Tibe: Why dont America focus more on all the fanatics in its own country rather than the ones in the middle east??? You have thoose paramilitary ones, the KKK is still very much alive, The new religious sects that ruin a lot of peoples life. Wasnt it a good idea if US tried to focus more on their own problems rather than others....???
Because *that* is who's running the government, Tibe. I'm sure the administration doesn't see them as a problem.
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I also think its a problem that Bush is flashing his religion. He is not only the president for the christian people. US has become a multicultural society wheter they like or not. So his also the president of muslims, hindus and several others. He is making exactly the same mistake as the leaders in the arabic world: mixing politics with religion. Then it can so easily become a christian vs. muslims world agenda as we see right now. He is a dangerous man that can have triggered the first steps of the 3 world war.
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doesnt matter where u live the people in charge of your country dont give a sh!t about you *they dont care bout you, so were all fooling our selves in this discussion. they are in the BIG CLUB and we arent part of that club* in any country * face facts. politicians are just there to make you think you have a say in what goes on * YOU DONT.
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I just read parts of this thread and one thing i want to make clear as i am also american... America is NOT #1, China and probably Russia as well by themselves could kick our butts into nothingness.. And further more The Bush administration sucks. I am rather ashamed most of the time to admit where i am from because of their actions in these wars, iraq and their part in the lebanon israeli thing, and Palestine. This is a nation that forces its beliefs and policies on others that are weaker than them, IT IS BUT ONE BIG HUGE SCHOOLYARD BULLY. They dont want to make the world better, they just want to make the rest of the world just like them simply to say HEY LOOK AT US, LOOK WHAT WE DID SIMPLY BECAUSE WE CAN.
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I have to say Mystic i agree totally. Bigger doesn't mean better. Britain is not big but still thinks it is because of it's past and now hangs on to America's coat tails for which I'm not proud of. One word springs to mind oil, and as for Palestine it's a disgrace what's being allowed to happen there.
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I have never read so much bleeding heart nonsense in all of my life. Mystic , China has 1/10 the GNP as the united Staes, Russia even less. If I felt the way you did about my own country I believe I would leave.
Mrs Tibe, Nothing is free. You do not get a free lawyer. People pay taxes out of their LABOR. You simply STEAL the labor of one person and give it to the next. Further, president Bush does not mix his politics and his religion. You think its fine for a person to suck off the government, Americans do not. can't you America haters do better than bring up the KKK, its been graveyard dead since the 1970s and has not been a factor in American politics since 1924.
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quote:Originally posted by BushFan: I have never read so much bleeding heart nonsense in all of my life. Mystic , China has 1/10 the GNP as the united Staes, Russia even less. If I felt the way you did about my own country I believe I would leave.
Mrs Tibe, Nothing is free. You do not get a free lawyer. People pay taxes out of their LABOR. You simply STEAL the labor of one person and give it to the next. Further, president Bush does not mix his politics and his religion. You think its fine for a person to suck off the government, Americans do not. can't you America haters do better than bring up the KKK, its been graveyard dead since the 1970s and has not been a factor in American politics since 1924.
They do actually suck of their own money payed on their tax bill - the government doesnt own that money - the people does. The money I pay on my tax bills goes to my hospital needs, my kids education, free legal help incase I should need it ect. We build our system on hard work and compassion.
If Bush doesnt mix his religion with politics why is it that he is so much against: abortions and homosexual rights?????Not to mention that he seems to have a terrible negative view on muslims..... Posts: 528 | From: Denmark | Registered: Dec 2006
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Well, Tibe , then why give the money to the government in the first place? We know that the more you tax the more you slow down economic growth. John F. Kennedy, Ronald reagan and George Bush ALL proved that. They cut taxed and the economy took off. Let me spend the money I earn...thats a moral position.
Many Americans are opposed to abortions and homosexual rights, me included. Many who agree with presdient Bush are NOT religious at all.
Most Americans have a terrible view of Muslims, even CAIR is worried about that. Look at the way they conduct themselves around the world.
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