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Predictable ad hominem just like your dismissal of Graf. Instead of playing for time boy you have some explaining/apologia to do. I know I told you already that to "have strong genetic affinities with "Middle Eastern" is not proof that they are Semites. Here's another shocker for your people, "Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs."
While my sources are there to be checked...oh yes you don't read; while your quote doesn't even mention the significance of haplogroups J, why? LOL Now explain.
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While my sources are there to be checked...oh yes you don't read; while your quote doesn't even mention the significance of haplogroups J, why? LOL Now explain.
Well, if you know your sources and have read them, answering this should be very swift and easy:
What monophyletic units have they covered, what was the sample contents and sizes, and what methodology was applied to DNA sequencing?
Wikipedia isn't exactly considered a genetic/scientific source, and they've been known many times to get things wrong. But of course, these sort of dubious sources are enough for a crackpot beaten-down negro slave, isn't it. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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In a report published elsewhere, we recently showed that Jews and Palestinian Arabs share a large portion of their Y chromosomes, suggesting a common ancestry (Nebel et al. 2000). Surprisingly, in the present study, Jews were found to be even closer to populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to several Arab populations. It is worth mentioning that, on the basis of protein polymorphisms, most Jewish populations cluster very closely with Iraqis (Livshits et al. 1991) and that the latter, in turn, cluster very closely with Kurds (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history...
The proceed to examine Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin:
Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin. Bedouin are largely nomadic Arab herders, with a tribal organization. They live in all Arab countries, constituting about one tenth of the population (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). The Bedouin population of the Negev desert was found to be most distant from Jews and Muslim Kurds and to be closely related only to Palestinians.
Both these Arab populations differ from the other Middle Eastern groups sampled for the present study, mainly in having a higher frequency of Eu 10 chromosomes, the majority of which they share with each other. Traditional marriage practices—such as male polygamy, a high rate of consanguineous marriages, and patrilocality—may have enhanced the low haplogroup and haplotype diversity of the Negev Bedouin, as was suggested elsewhere for the Bedouin tribes in the Sinai Peninsula (Salem et al. 1996).
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouin.
And it said, with regards to the particular "Arab-specific" J haplotype [an undesignated E10 cluster] at hand--which doesn't seem to have been specified from a microsatellite standpoint, that:
These haplotypes and their one-step microsatellite neighbors constitute a substantial portion of the total Palestinian (29%) and Bedouin (37.5%) Y chromosome pools and were not found in any of the non-Arab populations in the present study.
The peripheral position of the modal haplotypes, with few links in the network (fig. 5), suggests that the Arab-specific chromosomes are a result of recent gene flow.
They add:
Thus, the possible place of origin for Eu 9 could be in the northern part of the Fertile Crescent and that for Eu 10 in the southern part. However, since data for some relevant populations are not available, this interpretation should be regarded with caution.
At the end of the day:
In the present sample, the modal haplotype of the Muslim Kurds is at the core of Eu 9, and the CMH is at the center of Eu 10, attesting to the antiquity of both haplotypes.
And...
In conclusion, the present study shows that the Middle Eastern populations we analyzed are closely related and that their Y chromosome pool is distinct from that of Europeans. Genetic dating performed in the present study, together with age estimates reported elsewhere (reviewed by Bosch et al. 1999), suggests that the major haplogroups observed in our sample are much older than the populations in which they are found. Thus, the common genetic Middle Eastern background predates the ethnogenesis in the region. The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.
So, what do you understand from this, beaten-down negro slave?
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Lol @ this beaten-down negro slave. You've now added FreeRepublic.com to your list of "scientific" sources. Posts: 7516 | From: Somewhere on Earth | Registered: Jan 2008
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At any rate, being the selective reader you are, you decided this wasn't worth mentioning in your pick to cite:
Surprisingly, the study shows a closer genetic affinity by Jews to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs. These findings are consistent with known cultural links that existed among populations in the Fertile Crescent in early history, and indicate that the Jews are direct descendants of the **early Middle Eastern core** populations, which later divided into distinct ethnic groups speaking different languages.
Does this jive with Nebel et al.'s observations?
We propose that the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000). According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed in Palestinians and Bedouin.
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Like clock work, the diseased mind of the Jew has reduced him to trolling. You have no clue what's the significance of J in relation to your specific propaganda aims do you? But as you again buy for time by not reading the source, please keep in mind:
1) ME is not synonymous with Semitic 2) White imposters don't have the level of HJ relative to real Semites the Palestinians.
As a sign of desperation you rail against Dienekes to dismiss the study yet post one with Cavalli-Sforza; you talk about selective reading yet you cling to Nebel et al. 2000, which doesn't even prove your case! LOL
Look here Jew boy, no amount Zionist spin (like your commie spin, goes back to Arwa again lol) will refute facts. Deal with them or
What do you understand by what Nebel et al. and your own crackpot source said?
And when are you going to grow some balls to answer this?
Btw, what geneticist credentials does Ellen Levy-Coffman have; what methodology did she use to sequence samples? Was it RFLPs, DHPLC or PCR?
Nigger slave victim mentality blabber-mouthing is too cheap of a thing to make any dent in the civilized world.
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You're sounding just like a white cracker Supercar, whats the point o putting your points across like this?
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quote: You're sounding just like a white cracker Supercar, whats the point o putting your points across like this?
To hide his inability to deal with the fact that ME is not synonymous with Semitic: "However, Nebel et al. (2001) report that Jews were found to be more closely related to north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors."
To explain away the fact that the Ashkenazi priestly Cohanim have less haplogroup J than Palestinians his only recourse is to highlight the fact of this dominance to recent infusions (check the date: 633–640 at its apex!). But this doesn't help your spin either jew boy since we would expect the heavily mongrelized imposters (the Khazars of Koestler) to constitute more of a mosaic than those who remained in the region all along.
So before you go on to obfuscate the original debate, let's keep things in perspective Jew boy, the argument was never about genetics as even Diop said a black and a Swede can have the same genotype. The debate was always on phenotypes "Frankly, the fact that Jews have substantial European ancestry is obvious to most onlookers – many Jews look like Europeans. The question for DNA researchers was: How much of that European appearance actually translates into European genetic ancestry?" Hence when all is said and done, despite their mixed background white Jews and the Germans are same white people.Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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Yeah, your MASTA. You're sounding like a sissy beatendown nigger slave, born only to serve my nuts. So it kinda balances out.
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What do you understand by what Nebel et al. and your own crackpot source said?
And when are you going to grow some balls to answer this?
Btw, what geneticist credentials does Ellen Levy-Coffman have; what methodology did she use to sequence samples? Was it RFLPs, DHPLC or PCR?
Nigger slave victim mentality blabber-mouthing is too cheap of a thing to make any dent in the civilized world.
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Ad Hominem and degeneracy are what you have been reduced to. You have been exposed jew mole. Your days as a respected veteran poster are over.
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Yes, his veteran pass has been officially revoked. He's gone too far, way too far, there's little to no chance of saving him.
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What do you understand by what Nebel et al. and your own crackpot source said?
And when are you going to grow some balls to answer this?
Btw, what geneticist credentials does Ellen Levy-Coffman have; what methodology did she use to sequence samples? Was it RFLPs, DHPLC or PCR?
Nigger slave victim mentality blabber-mouthing is too cheap of a thing to make any dent in the civilized world.
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argoofy_the_cock_humpin_coalburner_dickbishop, your pennyless winnie puppet pappy's words await you:
GRAB MY DICK!!!!! PULL MY DICK!!!!! FEEL MY DICK!!!!! HOLD MY DICK!!!!! PALM MY DICK!!!!!
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akobitchslapped, is the modern day slave sambonocchio. Lol.
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quote:The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.
So, what do you understand from this, beaten-down negro slave?
1) white imposters have less of the "Semitic" haplogroup J1, 2) they have "a closer genetic affinity ... to the non-Jewish, non-Arab populations in the northern part of the Middle East than to Arabs." 3) your old source does not refute any of this. Still not refuted: "Israeli Jews... have been found to closely match a number of populations - Middle Eastern, European and Central Asian. While their Middle Eastern matches are particularly close to the Turks, Armenians and Kurds, they are particularly close to those in the Mediterranean in general, including Greece, the Balkans and Italy."
White Jews arent Semites, they are more of a mosiac; Nazi anti-Jew hatred is not anti-Semitism or even "racism", since you admit they are not even a "race" but mixed (LMAO!) and as a result of your inability to deal with this you have become stark staring mad! LOL. Am I right in my understanding?
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Another good thread with great info has been derailed. Stop with the insults. I can't believe that this hatred for each other is spreading over to other threads.
Stop all the hate. Just post facts. Wake up people you are acting exactly the way the powers that be want us to act. Like racist anti everybody people stop this.
Rememeber One people, One Voice, Truthseekers united. Watch this:
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Correct, I opened the thread, so I strongly suggest that the posters who don't have any positive input refrain from posting in that thread...
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To think in such a mixed nation like brazil there is skinheads is just shocking. They bring no value to society but hate.
Not any more shocking than skinheads in the U.S., which is another "mixed nation", no?
America is not mixed, The most mixed people are Afro-americans. Jim Crow laws prohibited Race Mixing until the late 60's however NOW America is mixing, Soon America will be the next Brazil.
I POSTED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT most white americans do not have any recent admixture from other ethnic groups,but some do have recent admixture.as for african americans the number tends to be on average 80% while 20% do not have any other admixture from other ethnic groups.MOST BLACKS WHO RECENTLY COME FROM AFRICA , HAITI OR OTHER CARIBBEAN ISLANDS ARE UNMIXED BLACKS.I talk to mark shiver about this a few years ago on the phone.Mark D. Shriver. Associate Professor of Anthropology and Genetics
Most likely however unmixed african americans are a mixture of different black unmixed ethnic groups.
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bob law- i seen all of this yet just the beginning.I WILL NOT REPLY TO THE POST I MADE A ABOVE BUT LATER I WILL REPLY TO THIS ONE ONCE I SEEN ALL OF IT.
quote: America is not mixed, The most mixed people are Afro-americans.
Sir I suggest that you go back to school and retake grades k-12 again because you certainly suck at scholarship.
AAs are mixed with other Africans (north, south, east, and west). I know that information like that brings such disappointment that tears are forming in your eyes as you read the below.
jwsr.ucr.edu/archive/vol5/number1/v5n1r1.php (east african slaves in new york) --------------------------------------
Also for fun start researching North African slaves and Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, you'll find that those people along with the rest of the carribean and south american are not as mixed as you'd like to wet dream.
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I'd like to see nasty skin heads try that in MY country, they wouldn't make it to the back door! How can they go to someone else's nation, where it is such high number of blacks and other colors that build it to destroy it with their neo nazi spew?
Stupid! Stupid like Don Black trying to "conquer" Dominican Republic, what cave men!
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quote:Originally posted by KING: Another good thread with great info has been derailed. Stop with the insults. I can't believe that this hatred for each other is spreading over to other threads.
Actually this thread was bad from the start! What the hell does Brazilian skinheads have to do with ANCIENT EGYPT??!
NOTHING.
And I find it ironic how a thread about racists quickly degenerates into racist name-calling and slurs. This thread deserved to be deleted before it definitely deserves to be deleted NOW.
quote:Stop all the hate. Just post facts. Wake up people you are acting exactly the way the powers that be want us to act. Like racist anti everybody people stop this.
Rememeber One people, One Voice, Truthseekers united. Watch this:
No offense King, I'm sure you're a nice kid but you are really beginning to sound like an annoying hippy!
quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Like clock work, the diseased mind of the Jew has reduced him to trolling. You have no clue what's the significance of J in relation to your specific propaganda aims do you? But as you again buy for time by not reading the source, please keep in mind:
1) ME is not synonymous with Semitic 2) White imposters don't have the level of HJ relative to real Semites the Palestinians.
As a sign of desperation you rail against Dienekes to dismiss the study yet post one with Cavalli-Sforza; you talk about selective reading yet you cling to Nebel et al. 2000, which doesn't even prove your case! LOL
Look here Jew boy, no amount Zionist spin (like your commie spin, goes back to Arwa again lol) will refute facts. Deal with them or
Akoben your anti-zionist rants have reaced new hights with your moronic oxymoron of "Nazi Jews". You realized Nazis were the enemies and very antithesis of Jews, right? You realize Nazis were socialists who were against capitalist Jews and controlled the government, correct? But then again why bother arguing with a nutcase who blames "Jews" for everything wrong in his life, eh?
To Supercar, LOL these guys must have really got your balls in a knot or something to get you talking like that. Guys, this isn't that serious!
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Yep, I noticed too he never refered to Ausarianstein's racial attacks as "anti-black rants". Again, criticisms of Jews are strictly off limits for these moles. Instead he replied to what he thought I was saying in that post. LMAO @ silly little closet bigot wondering about the significance of that Nazi/Zionist/commie sign!
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Notice people how this boy Djehuti LOL'd at Supercar's racial attacks.
I told you this nasty bastard had a racial hierarchy.
See its bad to say something about Jews.........
Oh please! Besides the fact that Super is black himself, and he makes racial attacks on EVERYONE. I laughed at how crazy his remarks sound. So don't even make your false accusastions against me you dumb paranoid gargoyle. Don't you even play like you're defending black people cuz you're just a white racist loser one.
quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Yep, I noticed too he never refered to Ausarianstein's racial attacks as "anti-black rants". Again, criticisms of Jews are strictly off limits for these moles. Instead he replied to what he thought I was saying in that post. LMAO @ silly little closet bigot wondering about the significance of that Nazi/Zionist/commie sign!
No. What's really offlimits is this website for crazed paranoid bigots of any type whether anti-black or anti-Jewish in YOUR case.
And if you're wondering there are ony two Jews here (Rasol is not one of them despite your protests). One is black, the other is part black. Neither have anything to do with your personal issues. So give it a rest.
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Oh Jesus Catherine stop pretending, you are only anti-bigotry when it comes to Jews. Dismiss northern Sudanese as "psychopaths", lets here you say same for white Jews. You say Ausarianstein attacks everyone (show where he attacks white Jews as kikes, crackers etc) yet by passes his anti-black racial slurs to call out what you see as "anti-Jew" attacks. Man you're so god damn transparent. LOL
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quote:Originally posted by Ausarian.: akobitchin'_negro_slave_be_funny:
akobitchslapped, is the modern day slave sambonocchio. Lol.
ROFLMBAO .
^^^Why is this funny? Ausarian is obviously a half Afro European and Jewish person making fun of blacks Posts: 343 | Registered: Feb 2008
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