Miles was trained at Juliard, but most Jazz greats were neither classically trained nor inspired.
Jazz is rooted in Blues, which is in turn rooted in African music.
Most of the founders of Jazz - from Armstrong and earlier had heard little [or no] classical music.
quote:mn writes: I know this first hand, but seeing your are a white boy I understand your confusion.
1stly, I'm Black, of course. And you're confused.
2nd: That's kind of a dumb reply.
You claim to know that what I wrote is true, even though it directly contradicted you.
That's illogical.
It seems that your confusion results in incoherence and self-contradiction.
To simplify: Just because you're mad that you're foced to admit that i'm right, doesn't mean you can cover your embarrassment by calling me 'white'.
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That's what I don't get with some of you bros. If someone has opposing views then they must be white.
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quote: For whites, the beginning of black music is always Blues. For blacks the beginning and end is Gospel.
^ This is another stupid remark.
You essentially claim that Black people have -no- music until 'Gospel'.... ie - white american christianity as interpreted by slaves in the Americas.... is the beginning of Black music? ?
Only a slave believes that.
As for the blues - here is what Miles Davis has to say:
For Miles, the blues epitomized black music.
Miles once tried to explain to the critic Leonard Feather that the blues was not about suffering and pain, emotions critics had consistently read into Miles's "cool pose": "You don't know how to play better just because you've suffered . . . The blues don't come from picking cotton." But Feather didn't get it, concluding that Miles could play the blues despite his middle-class upbringing because the black middle-class was not immune from racism. For Feather, racism was a source of the blues; for Miles the blues was a sensibility that comes from an immersion in a culture -- a cool, hip culture with as much humor as pathos.Posts: 15202 | Registered: Jun 2004
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Gospel is not the beginning and end. Jazz, Blues, and Gospel all stem from the Work Songs/Spirituals.
The distinctive "Blue Note" marking the Spirituals and its immediate offspring is West African and is an approach to match the precision of quarter and smaller steps generally unobtainable on most western instruments whose smallest interval is a half step.
Stringed instruments, especially when fretless, are one exception. This is why banjo and fiddle early on became rank instruments in The Music.
Many a classical trained musician would fail any of Sun Ra's "Disciplines."
Jazzoetry lyrics
quote: Rhythms and sounds in leaps and bounds Scales and notes and endless quotes Hey! Black soul being told Hypnotizing while improvising is mentally appetizing Off on a tangent Ain't got a cent Searching, soaring, exploring, seek and you shall find More time, more time More time, more time More time, more time More time, more time to find who? How? Where were you? Are you blue? We're not thru digging the new Climbing higher, soul's on fire Seeking the top, can't stop, dig bop! Left earth on a new birth In space, out space, our place and face us. Regenerated hiss complicated, vibrating, educating, stimulating Young and old as a whole Those who know jazz is prose And how it goes and is going to be Me, us, we, free Baby cant you see Hey! Check tt out without a doubt what it's all about then shout! Off and on, being born Rhythmically in a wail can't fail, smooth sail Break it down, run it around and give it a pound on the town in the world dig the sound of our love inside our pride that's on the ride Jazzoetry is poetry! Getting hat on a scat The beginning of this, the end of that Riffling on a cue, the play is never through Solid, baby! Me and you Smooth glowin' and flowin' while your horn is blowin' Puttin' on the show digging some mo' black ego! Going up, growin' up that's us Smokin', cooking, hard boiled like a cobra-coiled Blowing your mind to rhythmic time Digging up driving, striving, arriving at conclusions Life and death all in one breath! Minor chords, soft keys, summer breeze, winter freeze, listen please! Breakin' the rules, schooling the fools Jazz is cool that's the truth dig my proof rhythm and swing doing your thing Abnormally, informally, Jazzoetry is poetry Poetic vibes, masculine bass Flute and drums pick up the pace Piano keys on a spiralling flight That's jazzoetry in black and white Brilliant colours, glowing hues intimate expressions, personal views Spreadin' the news, by way of the blues Brothers, others, lovers, mothers, sons, friends Brothers, others, lovers, mothers, sons, friends Brothers, others, lovers, mothers, sons, friends On the set − ain't none of y'all been freed yet! Trying to pin what's happening what you're coming from and going to Communicating with me and you internal feeling is spiritually healing When I'm dealing with jazz that has turned me on Blow that horn! Of course it's boss, get on your horse And ride with pride jazz and poetry side by side!
Searching for the lyrics to the Last Poem with the roster of the greats.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: That's what I don't get with some of you bros. If someone has opposing views then they must be white.
If you don't realize Rasol, KIK, Betty Boo, Hammer and you are white by now, what can I say..
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Gospel is not the beginning and end. Jazz, Blues, and Gospel all stem from the Work Songs/Spirituals.
LOL, "work songs/ spirituals ARE gospel. Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B, all spring from Gospel. In fact, many black musicians first get the chance to pick up an instrument in church. Aretha, Ray Charles, Miles, Lead Better, Dizzy, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, Wes Montgomery, James Brown, Charley Parker, Al Green, Oscar Peterson, Little Richard, Otis Redding;
THEY ALL HAVE THEIR ROOTS IN CHURCH AND GOSPEL MUSIC.
Why do you think so many white rock bands have songs that feature black gospel choirs? Of course Gospel has African roots. What did you expect them to have, Irish, as in AFRICA? LMAO!!!
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Work Songs/Spirituals were composed directly from Africa and without any Christian religious input. Gospel grew out of the Spirituals after Christianity was allowed to the enslaved. Thus Gospel is in part European inspired as its beginnings are from the enslaved versions of Protestant Church music.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Gospel is not the beginning and end. Jazz, Blues, and Gospel all stem from the Work Songs/Spirituals.
LOL, "work songs/ spirituals ARE gospel. Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B, all spring from Gospel.
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Yes Byrd was an exception. You have to get to the whole of what I wrote instead of breaking off one piece and deluding yourself you have true understanding.
And your list is simplistic. But let me allow some masters to school you.
Bird's Word lyrics
quote:Everything was silent and then Ma Rainey spread Black News by way of the Backwater Blues as Bessie Smith picked up on it and spread the word, thru music and song, then the message passed on to Chick Webb, King Oliver, Buddy Bolden and Jelly Roll Morton, and they played the word and passed it along to Louis Armstrong Fats Navarro, Charlie Ventura, Roy Eldridge and Fats Waller, who was known to holler The joint is jumpin with a Fatman's joy as everybody started Stompin' at the Savoy Then the word grew strong, as the immortal Bird came along and blew all the Blackness that was true with some Be-Bop brand new turning everybody on, with his unforgettable horn as Lester Young became the first Prez of our race and we turned around and dug on the beautiful face of Billie Holiday As Billie began to sing praises to the blackman's thing, the good Brother Monk threw in some funk so that the whole world could see what he is, was and always will be A genius creatively! Then Miles began to set new styles that put us miles ahead, as Dizzy set us free to be ourselves, and ride to heaven from hell in the latest El-Do-Ra-Do, comin' far to carry us home! Then Dinah sang finer As Duke and Ella rode to fame goin' to Harlem on the A train and we tuned into Charlie Mingus's bass setting a soulful pace that let us taste the down sound, that found our hearts beating to the voice and drums of Abbey Lincoln and Max Roach in their hip approach to Blackness! Then Eddie Jefferson crooned an original tune as Lambert, Hendricks and Ross scatted a new course and we sampled King Pleasure's treasure and listened to James Moody's moans and then dug the dynamite drums of Brother Philly Joe Jones! As Milt Jackson played the vibes in leaps and strides with the MJQ that sped our prides into sophisticate funkiness Meanwhile, Sonny RolIins was building a bridge, for us to leave behind our grief for the soulful relief to find our own black minds to tune in on Bud Powell who played the piano with funky hands as he filled the seats and made 'em stand on funky nights down Birdland Then the Mighty Hawk made his horn talk and we heard Baby Ray play What'd I say and jammed the set to dig Ornette as Art Blakey broke free spreadin' the message to you and me to dig on the trumpet of KD as we broadened our range and counted our change with Basie As Earl Fatha Hines blew our minds and we grew fonder of Errol Garner as Eddie Harris bent our ear talkin' bout Listen Here and Eric Dolphy made his stand with a side called Ironman and Gene Ammons told his soul and we mined Horace's Silver that bought funky gold Then Oscar Brown and Joe Williams got down and we spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around, spun around and dug Clifford Brown, Wowin' a sweet funky sound of soul with a rhythm of gold
Then Jimmy Smith got funky with it and preached a sermon not to Walk on the Wild Side but ride with Wes Montgomery who played his best everyday in our life as Shirley Scott's organ got hot and she and Stanley set more funk free! as Ahmad Jamal played with renewed ability to give our minds some Tranquility so that we could listen to an in-soul depth Brother Archie Shepp as Jackie McLean broke on the scene blowing mean and harder for everybody to listen to Betty Carter as Sun Ra shined and Cannonball's horn whined Mercy! Mercy! Mercy! So Sonny Stitt started piping it and we couldn't get enough of brother Jack McDuff as Freddie Hubbard began to bud and we heard from Donald Byrd and they'll be no others like the Ayler Brothers Then Wayne Shorter grew taller and our ship left dock with Herbie Hancock as we rolled with Lee Morgan and Grooved on Richard Holmes' organ and then dug the soul of Art Tatum produce the sound that made him as Rufus Harley blew an old new type bagpipe that put the pants back on the man an' Nina Simone groaned Mississippi Goddamn! and Brother McCoy gave us peace and joy as Elvin bought our freedom Jones down on us! Then Charles Lloyd filled the void an' we watched Roland Kirk work! and with a sigh of relief listened to Yusef Lateef blow in a flow of flurry's of peace from the east as Pharaoh Sanders floated down the Nile with Brother Leon Thomas to herald the promise of peace and happiness throughout the land! All praises due to the Creator of the Blackman! Blackman!
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Donald Byrd was the one who successfully took it to the public ear even though he played with the heavies (Blakey, Roach, Coltrane, Dolphy). He's the proof you can know your music theory, be a virtuoso, stay true to 'the music' yet and still be not only palateable to the public but have them dancing as well and take home money to bank after work.
Byrd was no exception in this area. Many of the great Jazz artist were very well schooled in music theory, since Jazz is mostly inspired by Classical [sic]. Great composers like Hubert Laws, Pharaoh Sanders, Oscar Peterson, Sun Ra, Charley Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles, Nina Simon, and the great Duke Ellington were all heavy theorists and knew their craft through and through.
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Work Songs/Spirituals were composed directly from Africa and without any Christian religious input. Gospel grew out of the Spirituals after Christianity was allowed to the enslaved. Thus Gospel is in part European inspired as its beginnings are from the enslaved versions of Protestant Church music.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Gospel is not the beginning and end. Jazz, Blues, and Gospel all stem from the Work Songs/Spirituals.
LOL, "work songs/ spirituals ARE gospel. Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B, all spring from Gospel.
Of course when slaves first arrived they remembered their African songs. Blues was nowhere around during this interval. Blues didn't arrive until it sprang out of AMERICAN Negro spirituals which were a result of AMERICAN Negro oppression and a false hope in an European God, Jesus.
I realize it sounds more romantic to take the position Blues sprang directly from African spirituals, but it is inaccurate. Blues sprang from the Negro American experience via church spirituals and GOSPEL.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Yes Byrd was an exception. You have to get to the whole of what I wrote instead of breaking off one piece and deluding yourself you have true understanding.
And you list is simplistic. But let me allow some masters to school you.
I fully understand. I believe it's you who is having difficulty in believe Donald Byrd was the first or only Jazz musician who possessed a grasp of music theory. Your quoting Bird lyrics does not validate this statement. It is an failing attempt to simplify the reality of black musical genius. Weak! What about Duke Ellington. Was he not fully versed in theory? What about the only true innovators of guitar playing; Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery with their use of substitute and relative notes for the harmonic ones. Were they too devoid of musical theory? You talk about Hendrix, Page, and Clapton, but they couldn't hold Wes's jockstrap.
As Miles Davis appropriately said;
"I've changed music four or five times. What have you done of any importance other than be white? "If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I'd spend it choking a white man. I'd do it nice and slow." "“We’re not going to play the blues anymore. Let the white folks play the blues. They got ‘em, so they can keep ‘em.” “At least one day out of the year all musicians should just put their instruments down, and give thanks to Duke Ellington.”
“Jazz is the big brother of Revolution. Revolution follows it around.”
And THIS is Blues and Jazz.
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I schooled you as to where the Blue Note and Blues came from go back and reread. Blues from the Work Songs. The Blue Note from West African micro-steps.
And for the ast time stop confusing Spirituals for Gospel.
Now give a big hyena laugh out loud at that.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Wrong!
Work Songs/Spirituals were composed directly from Africa and without any Christian religious input. Gospel grew out of the Spirituals after Christianity was allowed to the enslaved. Thus Gospel is in part European inspired as its beginnings are from the enslaved versions of Protestant Church music.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Gospel is not the beginning and end. Jazz, Blues, and Gospel all stem from the Work Songs/Spirituals.
LOL, "work songs/ spirituals ARE gospel. Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B, all spring from Gospel.
Of course when slaves first arrived they remembered their African songs. Blues was nowhere around during this interval. Blues didn't arrive until it sprang out of AMERICAN Negro spirituals which were a result of AMERICAN Negro oppression and a false hope in an European God, Jesus.
I realize it sounds more romantic to take the position Blues sprang directly from African spirituals, but it is inaccurate. Blues sprang from the Negro American experience via church spirituals and GOSPEL.
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Pay attention. Even after cluing you you still fail to grasp the entirety.
It's your foolish contention that Donald was the first or only to be trained in music theory.
I said and I quote 1 - Donald Byrd was the one who successfully took it to the public ear
2 - even though he played with the heavies (Blakey, Roach, Coltrane, Dolphy).
3 - He's the proof you can _ a - know your music theory, _ b - be a virtuoso, _ c - stay true to 'the music'
4 - yet and still _ a - be not only palateable to the public _ b - but have them dancing as well _ c - and take home money to bank after work.
5 - Truly, The Professor!
I broke it down quit trying to run it around If you didn't know you should of asked somebody but then If you got to ask the question you ain't never going to understand the answer.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Yes Byrd was an exception. You have to get to the whole of what I wrote instead of breaking off one piece and deluding yourself you have true understanding.
And you list is simplistic. But let me allow some masters to school you.
I fully understand. I believe it's you who is having difficulty in believe Donald Byrd was the first or only Jazz musician who possessed a grasp of music theory.
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I schooled you as to where the Blue Note and Blues came from go back and reread. Blues from the Work Songs. The Blue Note from West African micro-steps.
And for the ast time stop confusing Spirituals for Gospel.
Now give a big hyena laugh out loud at that.
LMBAO....You ain't schooled **** except in your own little mind!! Too much Mick Jagger on your little mind. Why is it that Jews think they really know black music? Perhaps because they stole so much of it over the centuries. Whites hate to speak about black gospel because they cannot identify with it. They can only ID with blues, but as Miles Davis said, "We ain't playing the blues no mo! Whites love em, so they can have em!"
Go back to listening to your high pitched simplistic Led and Ozzy Osborn crap. You know nothing of black music, and as with other whites/Jews, nothing of Negro Gospel.
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I said and I quote 1 - Donald Byrd was the one who successfully took it to the public ear
2 - even though he played with the heavies (Blakey, Roach, Coltrane, Dolphy).
3 - He's the proof you can _ a - know your music theory, _ b - be a virtuoso, _ c - stay true to 'the music'
4 - yet and still _ a - be not only palateable to the public _ b - but have them dancing as well _ c - and take home money to bank after work.
5 - Truly, The Professor!
I broke it down quit trying to run it around If you didn't know you should of asked somebody but then If you got to ask the question you ain't never going to understand the answer.
An of course you are WRONG on all counts. Donald Byrd was NOT the first to accomplish these things. Nor even the one hundredth.
You be talking out of the side of your neck cause these white boys don't know any better. Stick to talking about White rock. You'll be safer and I won't scrutinize that.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Ass spanked baby now makes racist cries. Get to this. I'm blacker than you, boy. I'm African. You're a de-Africanized hybrid.
quote:Originally posted by me no narmer:
An African Jew that knows nothing about BLACK AMERICAN art forms.
We be de-Africanized hybrids, YET all you can speak of is what WE create. What you FULL Africans creating; Gospel, Blues, Jazz, R&B, Funk, Rap? LMAO!!! More like nada!
Nope you just steeped in jealousy of what US de-Africanized hybrids create. You dancing to OUR timing just like the other whites and Jews.
Go listen to your Deep Purple and Rolling Stones Boy. That's more in line with your limited level of creativity skills. When you get tired of that, than you can come back and learn some more about what us de-Africanized hybrids create and you and the rest of the world follow.
As Miles Davis appropriately said;
"I've changed music four or five times. What have you done of any importance other than be white?
"If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I'd spend it choking a white man. I'd do it nice and slow."
LOL, why do you think Miles and many other Jazz musicians felt this way about whites and supposedly African coconuts like yourself love them so much?
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Aw, don't be mad (just 'cos this small sample of what I know far surpasses what you'll ever come to know) Man up, boy, you've been punked you would-be racist bastard, oops, I meant buzzard. I got nothing against you. Those of your ilk, both black and white biased bigotted prejudiced racist imbeciles, stew in your own loser sauce. Yes you, loser. You lost your humanity in unsuccessfully attempting to mirror white racists.
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Oh, I'm hardly mad. I'm right. It's you who have the pent up Jealousy of what De-Africanized Negroes accomplished and YOU cannot. "Punked"? Where did that phrase originate? Oh yeah, from De-Africanized Negroes. I guess there is absolutely no escaping our influence, is there? LOL!
You've been exposed once again as the coconut that you are. Get used to it. It will very probably happen again. Now, go listen to some Guns & Roses and calm your weak ass down. LMAO
Racists? LOL coconut, I'm with Miles. "If somebody told me I only had an hour to live, I'd spend it choking a white man. I'd do it nice and slow."
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You can never laugh your ass off. If you did there'd be nothing left since you are all ass and passing gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Asses are a BLACK thing coconut. We have them, we shake them, and will kick them. Flat asses are for you white peoples with poor bone structure. But you are right. I can't literally laugh my ass off, but I can laugh loudly at your expense, weak ass coconut.
I can laugh my ass off at weak ass coconuts like yourself who can only hope to poorly imitate what WE de-africanized negros in America create.
Drop the jealousy and hate coconut. We don't imitate you, and You can't dress like me. Else, there'd be thousands of Africans flooding America creating and releasing new Art forms. It ain't happening Soulja Boy, but don't blame us de-Africanized Negroes for your lack of creativity.
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You farted it, ass, you finish it, the hate that is. As soon as you were shown up you came up out your hate bag. But that's what you black or white racist scum do. It's your catharsis for being a punked ass loser.
Calling yourself a negro? Do you really believe you are a black thing? Listen to me for once w/o your insipid rivalry complex -- YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING NOT A THING (you are an African descendant not a saleable commodity, please, for the sake of the remainder of what little mental health you retain, please read )Richard B. Moore's The Name negro: its Origin and Evil Use.
The only thing you can do at my expense is flaut your ignorance, ass.
And, I still remain blacker than you, ass!
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Negro, Smigmo. I've read the book a ways back and many like it.
The label is irrelevant and a waste of time that only a weak ass kaffir like yourself gives power. While you worrying about what you or others call yourselves, we be redefining the world with our attributes. YOU? You be FOLLOWING, in every area. There you go YET again, quoting a publication from a DE-AFRICANIZED author using slang created by DE-AFRICANIZED Black Americans. LOL, where's your full African contribution?
Perhaps if Africans spent less time on trivia and trinkets, they too could create trend setting standards as we do instead of coming to America and HIDING out in small non-productive tribes.
Blacker than I. LOL, you don't even know what it means coconut. Blacker perhaps, than the masters you serve.
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If you were a saleable black thing then all I could get for you is a trinket not even a shot of rum or a round of ammunition.
Keep laughing out loud like the scared of the dark punk u r.
Or barring that, make pretend you're civilized and return to discussing The Music. I doubt you can pull yourself together enough to do that Sa Sa Sa Sambo.
Not really into the sibling (or in your particular case) cousin rivalry but you don't have a nation of your own so can't really compare what you claim to produce with something like say the Nigerian space program.
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If you were a saleable black thing then all I could get for you is a trinket not even a shot of rum or a round of ammunition.
I know, exactly as your ancestors did to their own detriment. Depleting Africa of the strongest and smartest, leaving only the weak and followers not even worth a trinket. Such is life coconut.
True, we don't have a nation of our own. Black Americans often ask one another; Why do Africans come to America when they have all of Africa? We came here by being betrayed and kidnapped. Yet they come here to be slaves willingly. Why don't they throw whites out and get their thing together? They are many while whites are few.
Apparently, they are the weak left behind and not able to accomplish these things and too envious of those they betrayed to form a working strategic alliance. Yet, they come here to American and HIDE amongst themselves, and not sharing the African American experience, are not able to duplicate Arts in the same manner as DE-Africanized black Americans.
I cannot be afraid of the dark. I AM THE DARK. THE STRONGEST OF THE DARK! WE are the elements who FOUGHT the white invasion, while YOUR kind are the ones who ASSISTED the whites in their invasion of Africa. You are still there because you were the weakest. That is your legacy.
Lastly, African Americans have already been to space decades ago. African Americans designed and built satellites such as the Space Shuttle Tracking And Relay satellite 20 years ago through Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab. The Nigerian Space Program is a sham, and a complete waste of resources.
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Notice how Great Jew gets really offended when his "Jewness" is being attacked? He loses all his Jimmy Hendrix "cool". **** with his "Jewness" and its no more Mr. Nice guy cool, it's different Jew I tell ya. lol
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^ He's simply a weak minded coconut fool who envies the monumental achievements of his Physical and Psychological superiors, African Americans.
He labels us De-Africanized, yet calls out OUR music (Gospel, Blues, Jazz), literature (DuBois, Garvey, Martin), prose (Last Poets, Hughes), and attributes in a mixture of envy and hate while failing to comprehend or acknowledge the blatantly obvious contradictions from his coconut mind, to his coconut lips.
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quote:Originally posted by ass open: Notice how Great Jew gets really offended when his "Jewness" is being attacked? He loses all his Jimmy Hendrix "cool". **** with his "Jewness" and its no more Mr. Nice guy cool, it's different Jew I tell ya. lol
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While you are a living piece of s h i t grossly inferior to the wet ones I use to wipe you off my ass nor superior to the toilet I flush you down and away.
You are de-Africanized without a doubt.
However a certain set of the Middle Passage descendants strive to re-Africanize themselves. They are my siblings. S h i t s like you aren't even my cousins. You have the mentality of the ones who raped my great-grand cousins and nieces to produce wanna be racist like daddy s h i t s of your breed.
Of course that's too much for a kooky cookie cutter mentalitied s h i t like you to comprehend.
But think on it when you light your Kwanzaa candles. Once you internalize the Nguzo Saba you will be on your way from being a pathetic black thing to becoming an African American human being.
Any more comments on The Music Mr. S h i t?
quote:Originally posted by me no narmer: ^ He's simply a weak minded coconut fool who envies the monumental achievements of his Physical and Psychological superiors, African Americans.
He labels us De-Africanized, yet calls out OUR music (Gospel, Blues, Jazz), literature (DuBois, Garvey, Martin), prose (Last Poets, Hughes), and attributes in a mixture of envy and hate while failing to comprehend or acknowledge the blatantly obvious contradictions from his coconut mind, to his coconut lips.
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: That's what I don't get with some of you bros. If someone has opposing views then they must be white.
If you don't realize Rasol, KIK, Betty Boo, Hammer and you are white by now, what can I say..
I'm Black, not white.
Like Marc Washington, you attack the ethnicity of anyone who calls you out for the fool that you are.
quote:alTakruri writes: MN, you are de-Africanized without a doubt.
^ Frankly, this is the common denominator linking MN to Marc, Mike111 and Winters. In their confusion, and lack of genuine respect for Africa - they substitute feign pro-black, 'afrocentric' and EMPTY posturings.
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Hey Mike looks like the G-men are getting there eyes Clawed out.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: ^ He's simply a weak minded coconut fool who envies the monumental achievements of his Physical and Psychological superiors, African Americans.
Hey bruv, we don't envy the achievements of African Americans. To the contrary, we are proud of, cherish and celebrate the achievements of OUR PEOPLE in the Americas.
No need to beef no more man. We're just trying to put our house in order.
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It's only telling the truth and it's all about ME. Hahah! Yehssss! I'm just so cool. Truth is, everybody knows, just ain't nobody bad like me. (Unlessen it's YOU.)
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Great Jew, can't hear anything sorry. But damn great Jew why you have to go dissing Kwanza now? Come on Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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Uh huh thass what we talkin' 'bout. But remember every brutha ain't a brother Everything black just ain't black Uh huh and that's a fact.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: ^ He's simply a weak minded coconut fool who envies the monumental achievements of his Physical and Psychological superiors, African Americans.
Hey bruv, we don't envy the achievements of African Americans. To the contrary, we are proud of, cherish and celebrate the achievements of OUR PEOPLE in the Americas.
No need to beef no more man. We're just trying to put our house in order.
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What are you, dumb as well as deaf? I've been boosting Kwanza on both sides of the Atlantic even to Native Americans for decades you super silly son of a ...
You need to imbue the Nguzo Saba even more than He No Narmer do, you demagogic dog, you.
quote:Originally posted by ass open: Great Jew, can't hear anything sorry. But damn great Jew why you have to go dissing Kwanza now? Come on
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: While you are a living piece of s h i t grossly inferior to the wet ones I use to wipe you off my ass nor superior to the toilet I flush you down and away.
You are de-Africanized without a doubt.
However a certain set of the Middle Passage descendants strive to re-Africanize themselves. They are my siblings. S h i t s like you aren't even my cousins. You have the mentality of the ones who raped my great-grand cousins and nieces to produce wanna be racist like daddy s h i t s of your breed.
Of course that's too much for a kooky cookie cutter mentalitied s h i t like you to comprehend.
But think on it when you light your Kwanzaa candles. Once you internalize the Nguzo Saba you will be on your way from being a pathetic black thing to becoming an African American human being.
Any more comments on The Music Mr. S h i t?
quote:Originally posted by me no narmer: ^ He's simply a weak minded coconut fool who envies the monumental achievements of his Physical and Psychological superiors, African Americans.
He labels us De-Africanized, yet calls out OUR music (Gospel, Blues, Jazz), literature (DuBois, Garvey, Martin), prose (Last Poets, Hughes), and attributes in a mixture of envy and hate while failing to comprehend or acknowledge the blatantly obvious contradictions from his coconut mind, to his coconut lips.
HA! So, you brainless weakling seek to pick and choose through African Americans that fit your limited and compromised acceptance? LOL, we ain't claiming your weak snitching ass.. You contribute nothing, but a thinly veiled attempt to put a connection between our achievements and that which you have absolutely no connection to. There is obvious reason why you wish to eliminate Gospel and jump straight from African spiritual to Blues, BUT IT AIN'T So. You have as little connection to these innovative constructs as do the Rolling Stones. We ain't claiming no African Jew snitches, so stop trying to claim OUR stuff fool! Ain't no happenings.
Go play with someone who doesn't understand you represent the weakest of the weak, and were not worthy of snatching boy. This is whu you have never built anything of note, and never will. LOL, even today you are little more then a white Jew minion. Tell me. What contribution have black Jews made to American society? For that matter, how are you changing Africa? I'll tell you. NADA! Cause you are weak! Don't get mad at me because you and yours have nothing significant to show for your existence. forcing you to grab my nuts and pray for a connection. LOL, get off my nuts fool!
Now you wish to draw a line between your weak, worthless ass and what you have the nerve to call, De-Africanized African American achievements. You weak ass pussy! LOL
Go tell your Jewish master that shet and maybe he'll pat you on your traitorous Jew head. In the meantime, keep referencing the work of us De-Africanized Africans to prove your weak points over and over again, cause you have no built shet! Dam coconut.
Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: What are you, dumb as well as deaf? I've been boosting Kwanza on both sides of the Atlantic even to Native Americans for decades you super silly son of a ...
You need to imbue the Nguzo Saba even more than He No Narmer do, you demagogic dog, you.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ass open: [qb] Great Jew, can't hear anything sorry. But damn great Jew why you have to go dissing Kwanza now? Come on
Phoney Jews know sheet about Kwanzaa, you weak ass fool. Your dumb ass need to worry about leaving a empty seat open during Passover Mr. Weakling. You sure no nothing about the 1st day of Kwanzaa. Plus why would an African Jew like yourself care anything about a black holiday created by De-Africanized Negros, ya weak ass snitch.
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What is meant by this? Hope it is not what I think. Ease up bro pull yourself together. You are losing it.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: [QUOTE]Go play with someone who doesn't understand you represent the weakest of the weak, and were not worthy of snatching boy. ------This is whu you have never built anything of note, and never will.------
Posts: 12143 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007
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^ No I'm not. Phony ass Black Jews like sissy Al have never built anything of note and have to resort to using the accomplishments of us De-Africanized African Americans to make false claims that he and his kind created something of importance.
The one thing all black musicians have in common is, at one or multiple times in their careers, they have all been swindled or cheated by thieving Jews whose goal, like Sissy Al's, is to claim and control everything we create. Al and his klan are weak and create nothing. It ain't happening Al. Stop trying to ride on African American accomplishments and go back to listening to your Al Jolson.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: you demagogic dog, you.
Demagogic.... ... now where have I heard you with this tag before? Oh yeh, when real Africansits offended your sensibilities and you reacted in predicative fashion. Black Demagogues and Pseudo-Scholars
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] you demagogic dog, you.
Demagogic.... ... now where have I heard you with this tag before? Oh yeh, when real Africansits offended your sensibilities and you reacted in predicative fashion. Black Demagogues and Pseudo-Scholars
Yes, the weakest of the weak, and smallest of the small has a lot of nerve calling on the works and scholarship of us De-Africanized AAs to prop himself up to undeserved elevated highs. A deceitful art to be sure.
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1754 - First Clock made entirely in AMerica constructed by Benjamin Banneker, a 30 year old Negro who had never seen a clock before. It continued to run accurately, striking all hours regularly for the next 20 years.
1877 - In New York, the team of Harrison and Hart wrote a number called, "Walking For Dat Cake". The Cakewalk soon became a feature of all minstrel shows and later developed into RAGTIME music.
1909 - W.C. Handy writes and publishes first Blues song to be marketed for mass consumption.
The song, "Memphis Blues" was originally written as a campaign song for E.H. Crump for the municipal election and entitled, Mister Crump.
Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:alTakruri writes: MN, you are de-Africanized without a doubt.
^ Frankly, this is the common denominator linking MN to Marc, Mike111 and Winters.
It's pretty funny because other than Winters being from Chicago, the rest live in Europe. Figure that....
Not to mention Marcs wife.
IMO focusing on location or spouse is as bad as focusing on labels like "afrocentrism" (Marc, Clyde, me no, impoben08, etc all feign it ..).
Kemi Seba's from Europe.
You completely missed the point, which was that the above mentioned who speak so vehemently against Europeans are ones living in Europe, and married to white women to top it off. Go figure.......
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