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This is a long essay about Rabbi Dresner taken from the magazine Culture Wars
I hope Egmond Codfried will find it interesting aswell. Anyway, the recent war in Gaza, an Arab news channel suddenly broadcasted pornography [try to google to find the link], but before I quote a segment of the essay, you should really read the whole text to avoid (future) misunderstanding.
quote:The Israelis have recently shown themselves well-versed in what one could call the military use of pornography. At 4:30 PM on Mar 30 2002, Israeli military forces took over Palestinian TV stations, when they occupied Ramallah in the West Bank, immediately shutting them down. What followed was a little more unusual. Shortly after occupying the Al-Watan TV station, the Israeli forces began broadcasting pornography over its transmitter. Eventually, according to a report from the Advertiser, an Australian newspaper, the Israelis expanded their cultural offensive against the Palestinian people by broadcasting pornography over two other Palestinian stations, the Ammwaj and Al-Sharaq channels. One 52-year-old Palestinian mother of three children, according to the report in the the Advertiser, complained about ‘the deliberate psychological damage caused by these broadcasts’. The only Palestinian station not taken over by the Israelis ran a written message at the bottom of its screen claiming that ‘Anything currently shown on Al-Watan and other local TV channels has nothing to do with Palestinian programs but is being broadcast by the Israeli occupation forces. We urge parents to take precautions.’ In addition to being outraged, the Palestinians were bewildered. ‘Why in the world,’ one correspondent to Omanforum.com wondered, ’should one do such a thing?’
If we turn to the dominant culture for an answer, we can only become more confused, because according to the dominant culture’s explanation, pornography means freedom. So, making use of the hermeneutic provided by the dominant culture in films like Boogie Nights and The People vs. Larry Flynt, Israeli troops began broadcasting pornography over captured Palestinian TV stations because they wanted to spread freedom among the Palestinian people. Somehow that doesn’t sound right. The simple fact of the matter is that this incident simply cannot be explained according to the principles available in contemporary American culture. In order to understand the disparity between the official explanation of pornography and what might be termed its military use, we have to go back to the ancients. The story of Samson and Delilah might be a good place to start. Israel was invincible militarily then too — at least that part hasn’t changed — so the Philistines decided that they had to get at the Israelite leader by other than military means. Unable to defeat him in battle, they decided to seduce him sexually. Once Samson succumbed to Delilah’s wiles, he lost his power, and Israel lost its leader. They could find him then not on the field of battle, but rather, to use Milton’s phrase, ‘eyeless in Gaza, grinding at the mill with slaves’. The story of the Palestinian TV stations broadcasting pornography has a curiously Biblical ring to it. Having learned their lesson, the Israelis decided to turn the tables on their opponents, because they knew that a blind opponent is no opponent at all, and because they knew — as the ancient Greeks knew — that lust makes a man blind. Thomas Aquinas, giving voice to that same tradition over a millennium later, said that lust ‘darkens the mind’. Suddenly, Israel’s use of pornography in their battle against the Palestinians isn’t so inexplicable anymore, because a blind opponent is a weak opponent. A blind opponent is no opponent at all.
"States aren't moral agents. They don't have personalities or pet peeves. States represent the interests of those who rule them. And it's in the interest of our present rulers to reboot the American brand. Words like "morality" and "ideals" are smokescreens, blown in the faces of the public. Bush used the same words, but fewer and fewer people believed him. It was his own damn fault. A cheap failure in so many ways, Bush's recklessness made Obama's ascent not only possible, but inevitable. His actions weren't out of the mainstream of imperial thought, just riskier, crazier, more destructive. Bush's tactics were questioned, but not his crusade, which remains with us. His violence didn't seriously bother Democrats, as they continually helped finance it. So all this "new day" blather is utter bullshit. What's new is that we have a better, smoother bullshitter in office." SourcePosts: 2198 | Registered: Jun 2006
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Makes sense as Jews are dominant in the porn industry as in other vices as well. Hon. Elijah Mohammed was right.
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quote:Originally posted by Arwa: Speaking of morality:
"States aren't moral agents. They don't have personalities or pet peeves. States represent the interests of those who rule them. And it's in the interest of our present rulers to reboot the American brand. Words like "morality" and "ideals" are smokescreens, blown in the faces of the public. Bush used the same words, but fewer and fewer people believed him. It was his own damn fault. A cheap failure in so many ways, Bush's recklessness made Obama's ascent not only possible, but inevitable. His actions weren't out of the mainstream of imperial thought, just riskier, crazier, more destructive. Bush's tactics were questioned, but not his crusade, which remains with us. His violence didn't seriously bother Democrats, as they continually helped finance it. So all this "new day" blather is utter bullshit. What's new is that we have a better, smoother bullshitter in office." Source
Nice one on morality and states.
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It is called Psychological Warfare; Muslims ostensibly find pornography abhorrent. Therefore to force pornography upon them, is to defile and humiliate them; and it also serves to demonstrate total control over them. Very crude, might indicate desperation on the part of the Israelis.
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The Depraved World of Jihadi Child Porn By Stephen Brown FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, October 24, 2008
Besides their well-known penchant for anti-Semitism, misogyny and nihilistic violence, Muslim extremists are also gaining a disturbing reputation among British security agencies as collectors of child pornography.
According to a report on The Times website last week, police in Great Britain are discovering that their investigations into Muslim terrorism are leading them into the depraved world of child sexual exploitation. The reverse is also occurring with child protection officers encountering people who are “preparing to carry out terrorist acts.”
At one time, the link between the two deviant behaviours was considered so strong that security officials considered establishing an anti-terrorism project involving child welfare experts, but never followed through because Scotland Yard’s hands were too full with other terrorist investigations.
But demand is growing in Great Britain for the setting up of such a task force that could help security agencies understand the terrorist mindset and prevent future attacks.
“This is an important development,” said Labor MP Andrew Dinsmore. “We have to do more than just police work. It needs child protection, criminological and psychological work. It could become a very important weapon in the fight against terrorism.”
Police say they are already noticing a similarity in methods Muslim terrorists and paedophiles use in manipulating and grooming young people for their corrupt purposes. This usually involves introducing them to their deviant behaviour and then convincing them over time that it is normal.
British security personnel first became aware of a connection between Muslim extremism and child pornography in 2006. When investigating the terrorist connections of an east end London mosque preacher, Abdul Makim Khalisadar, a former primary school assistant, the 26-year-old’s DNA was found to match that of an unsolved rape case of a woman. Upon his arrest, police discovered Khalisadar also had a large amount of hardcore child pornography material on his computer.
In the same year, police made a similar discovery after raiding a suspected Muslim terrorist’s home, looking for a chemical bomb. While no explosive device was found, police did discover 44 “indecent” pictures of children on the 23-year-old man’s home computer and cell phone. Child porn, The Times reports, has been found “during investigations into some of the most advanced suspected plots.”
European security officials first discovered child porn images in a Muslim extremist’s possession when they raided a mosque in Milan, Italy, in 2001. Embedded in the disturbing images, though, they found hidden messages sent by fellow Islamists, causing Italian security agents to believe the terrorists were copying a clandestine method paedophiles use in communicating with one another. At that time, police believed this form of communications camouflage (called steganography) accounted for the child porn’s presence in the mosque.
But other, less doubtful, cases have cropped up since then. When arrested, Abdelkader Ayachine, a suspected Muslim terrorist currently awaiting trial in Spain, possessed almost 40,000 child pornographic movies and images, a number far exceeding any need for encoded communications. Ayachine was connected to the Casablanca bombing terrorist group that killed 45 people in 2003 and stands accused in the Spanish court of inciting jihad and recruiting fighters for the Iraq war. Prosecutors say his child pornography collection consisted mainly of “minors having sex, among themselves and with adults.”
Muslim extremists’ attraction to child pornography has been attributed to cultural factors. An Italian magistrate involved in the Milan mosque case said possession of child porn by Islamists did not necessarily indicate paedophilic tendencies, but rather was the result of cultural differences. Girls, he stated, often become wives in the Muslim world at age 11 and 12.
The Islamists’ interest in boys as sex objects is generally owed to their beliefs and social milieu. Their strict religious convictions do not allow them to be with a woman outside their own families, let alone touch one, before marriage. Moreover, in some Muslim countries, males can’t even catch a glimpse of the demonized female form because of the body-encompassing clothing she is forced to wear. In such a gender segregated environment, homosexual behavior develops, especially towards boys.
Even the Taliban, which executed homosexuals when it ruled Afghanistan, could not eradicate the sexploitation of boys, even in its own ranks. Among the 30 commands it issued to its fighters, Rule No. 19 forbid them from taking young boys without facial hair into their barracks. After the Taliban regime fell, a Fox news report indicated pederasty in Afghanistan returned to its previous place as an accepted social norm.
Sexual exploitation of boys in Muslim countries also has a long history. The Asia Times columnist, Spengler (an anonymous pseudonym), wrote in his column, Sufism, Sodomy and Satan, that, in the High Middle Ages, Sufism, Islam’s mystic branch, “is the only case in which a mainstream current of a major world religion preached pederasty as a path to spiritual enlightenment.” He then cites a German historian who claims this Sufi practice “persisted in many Islamic countries until very recent times.” The 2007 movie, The Kite Runner, located in Afghanistan, showed a “last vestige” of Sufism’s pederast side when dancing boys appeared in female dress.
Perhpas not altogether insignificant in this grotesque phenomenon is that the Koran itself promises to put pre-pubescent boys at the service of jihadi martyrs not interested in the female virgins awaiting them in paradise. The boys will be like “scattered pearls” of “perpetual freshness” (Suras 52:24, 56:17, 76:19).
The consequences of Islamist misogyny, gender segregation and sexual abuse of Muslim boys are far-reaching. Besides growing up to be sexual deviants who collect child pornography and may victimize other children, such sexually traumatized Muslim boys are predisposed to become involved in terrorism as a way of expressing their sexual rage. It therefore comes as no surprise that one anti-terror source told the Times: “A way of finding who the extremists and terrorists are is to go through the child porn sites.”
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quote:Originally posted by Arwa: The story of the Palestinian TV stations broadcasting pornography has a curiously Biblical ring to it. Having learned their lesson, the Israelis decided to turn the tables on their opponents, because they knew that a blind opponent is no opponent at all, and because they knew — as the ancient Greeks knew — that lust makes a man blind. Thomas Aquinas, giving voice to that same tradition over a millennium later, said that lust ‘darkens the mind’. Suddenly, Israel’s use of pornography in their battle against the Palestinians isn’t so inexplicable anymore, because a blind opponent is a weak opponent. A blind opponent is no opponent at all.
The Zionists will stop at nothing but their tricks on this score may not have the intended effect. The Koran itself promises to put pre-pubescent boys at the service of jihadi martyrs not interested in the female virgins awaiting them in paradise. The boys will be like “scattered pearls” of “perpetual freshness” (Suras 52:24, 56:17, 76:19).
So child porn may actually not offend Muslim sensitivities as the Zionists hope.
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Kandahar Men Return to Original Love: Teenage Boys Sunday, January 27, 2002
By Tim Reid
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Now that Taliban rule is over in Mullah Omar's former southern stronghold, it is not only televisions, kites and razors which have begun to emerge.
Visible again, too, are men with their ashna, or beloveds: young boys they have groomed for sex.
Kandahar's Pashtuns have been notorious for their homosexuality for centuries, particularly their fondness for naﶥ young boys. Before the Taliban arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationships.
Kandahar is called the homosexual capital of south Asia. Such is the Pashtun obsession with sodomy ? locals tell you that birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior ? that the rape of young boys by warlords was one of the key factors in Mullah Omar mobilising the Taliban.
In the summer of 1994, a few months before the Taliban took control of the city, two commanders confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomize.
In the ensuing fight civilians were killed. Omar's group freed the boy and appeals began flooding in for Omar to help in other disputes.
By November, Omar and his Taliban were Kandahar's new rulers. Despite the Taliban disdain for women, and the bizarre penchant of many for eyeliner, Omar immediately suppressed homosexuality.
Men accused of sodomy faced the punishment of having a wall toppled on to them, usually resulting in death. In February 1998 three men sentenced to death for sodomy in Kandahar were taken to the base of a huge mud and brick wall, which was pushed over by tank. Two of them died, but one managed to survive.
"In the days of the Mujahedeen [the pre-Taliban victors against the Communist government], there were men with their ashna everywhere, at every corner, in shops, on the streets, in hotels: it was completely open, a part of life," said Torjan, 38, one of the soldiers loyal to Kandahar's new governor, Gul Agha Sherzai.
"But in the later Mujahedeen years, more and more soldiers would take boys by force, and keep them for as long as they wished," Torjan said. "But when the Taliban came, they were very strict about the ban. Of course, it still happened ? the Taliban could not enter every house.. but one could not see it."
But for the first time since the Taliban fled, in the past few weeks, one can see the pairs returning: usually a heavily bearded man, seated next to, or walking with, a clean-shaven, fresh-faced youth. There appears to be no shame or furtiveness about them, although when approached, they refuse to talk to a Western journalist.
"They are just emerging again," Torjan said. "The fighters too now have the boys in their barracks. This was brought to the attention of Gul Agha, who ordered the boys to be expelled, but it continues. The boys live with the fighters very openly. In a short time, and certainly within a year, it will be like pre-Taliban: they will be everywhere."
This Pashtun tradition is even reflected in Pashtun poetry, odes written to the beauty and complexion of an ashna, but it is usually a terrible fate for the boys concerned. It is practiced at all levels of Pashtun society, but for the poorer men, having an ashna can raise his status.
"When a man sees a boy he likes ? the age they like is 15 or 16 ? they will approach him in the street and start talking to him, offering him tea," said Muhammad Shah, a shop owner. "Sometimes they go looking in the football stadium, or in the cinema" (which has yet to reopen).
"He then starts to give him presents, hashish, or a watch, a ring, or even a motorbike," Shah continued. "One of the most valued presents is a fighting pigeon, which can be worth up to $400. These boys are nearly always innocent, but such is the poverty here, they cannot refuse."
Once the boy falls into the man's clutches nearly always a man with a wife and family he is marked for life, although the Kandaharis accept these relationships as part of their culture.
When driven around, ashna sit in the front passenger seat. The back seat is simply for his friends. Even the parents of the boys know in their hearts the nature of the relationship, but will tell people that their son is working for the man. They, like everyone else, will know this is a lie.
"They say birds flew with both wings with the Taliban," Muhammad said. "But not any more."
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Thanks for this report. I am not surprised that Muslims are into child porn, because they allow children to marry at such a young age. If you have more reports like this then please post them so people can see that some muslims are perverts.
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quote:Originally posted by Arwa: Speaking of morality:
[i]"States aren't moral agents. They don't have personalities or pet peeves. States represent the interests of those who rule them. And it's in the interest of our present rulers to reboot the American brand. Words like "morality" and "ideals" are smokescreens, blown in the faces of the public.
That is why the US military will fail inits use of porn to intimidate people in the Middle East. Love of sodomy and young boys has a long history in Arab and Persian culture. The fools do not realize this.
It is not only the passion of love that challenges death, but the on the extreme opposite of the spiritual spectrum, we encounter pederasty as the foundational experience of Sufism. According to Wikipedia, As a Sufi practice of spiritual realization and union with the godhead, the meditation known in Arabic as Nazar ila'l-murd, "contemplation of the beardless," or Shahed-bazi, "witness play" in Persian has been practiced from the earliest years of Islam. It is seen as an act of worship intended to help one ascend to the absolute beauty that is God through the relative beauty that is a boy.
The medieval Persians were not the first to practice the higher sodomy. The Greeks of the 6th century BC preferred young boys, procreating out of patriotic habit while their women closed their eyes and thought of Athens. Adoration of youth is a very different way to capture from love a sense of immortality. In Greek legend the gods turned Narcissus into a flower to punish his pride in refusing male suitors. Pederasty thus was present at the origin of the concept of narcissism.
The medieval Persians surpassed the Greeks in enthusiasm. Hafez, widely considered the greatest Persian poet, wrote such verses as
My sweetheart is a beauty and a child, and I fear that in play one day He will kill me miserably and he will not be accountable according to the holy law. I have a fourteen year old idol, sweet and nimble For whom the full moon is a willing slave. His sweet lips have (still) the scent of milk Even though the demeanor of his dark eyes drips blood. (Divan, no 284)
And about the Magian baccha:
If the wine-serving magian boy would shine in this way I will make a broom of my eyelashes to sweep the entrance of the tavern. (Divan, no 9)
Hafez is typical of the Muslim philosopher-poets of the epoch. Ehsan Yar-Shater wrote: As a rule, the beloved [in medieval Persian poetry] is not a woman, but a young man. In the early centuries of Islam, the raids into Central Asia produced many young slaves. Slaves were also bought or received as gifts. They were made to serve as pages at court or in the households of the affluent, or as soldiers and body-guards. Young men, slaves or not, also, served wine at banquets and receptions, and the more gifted among them could play music and maintain a cultivated conversation. It was love toward young pages, soldiers, or novices in trades and professions which was the subject of lyrical introductions to panegyrics from the beginning of Persian poetry, and of the ghazal.
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well King I was going to say in the religion thread where you posted this sh$te, go meet Flaco you will get on well. 2 sick puppies together.
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The sick puppies as you put it is the muslims who practise these kind of behaviors. Why attack the messengers instead of the people who are doing these perverted things? Is this your way of being a "good" muslim, turn a blind eye to these sick and twisted muslims. Can't you see ignoring these things just makes it happen more and more.
The reality is that you are the sick puppie for thinking these things are good.
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Then, there's that "problem" with the Catholic church. I doubt child molestation knows religion.
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The sick puppies as you put it is the muslims who practise these kind of behaviors. Why attack the messengers instead of the people who are doing these perverted things? Is this your way of being a "good" muslim, turn a blind eye to these sick and twisted muslims. Can't you see ignoring these things just makes it happen more and more.
The reality is that you are the sick puppie for thinking these things are good.
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Those who turn a blind eye are almost as bad as the perps, but the Koran itself promises to put pre-pubescent boys at the service of jihadi martyrs not interested in the female virgins awaiting them in paradise. The boys will be like “scattered pearls” of “perpetual freshness” (Suras 52:24, 56:17, 76:19). Posts: 13 | Registered: Jan 2009
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Who do you think you are posting from FRONTPAGE you fucking Zionist and that goes also to King.
Why don't you stay on religion section, King, where you bash 24/7 Islam? Don't you notice noone is interested in your dirty hatred topics aginst Islam where you made living in the last two years?
Nowhere from the article I posted disrespects Judaism, but apparently you have love for Zionism, King.
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Rome, Italy -- Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape and snuff pornography.
Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from Russian orphanges, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in Italy, and and unknown number in the United States, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered.
Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcasts scenes from the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading "blood libel."
Throughout history, various groups have accused sects of Jews of ritually murdering small children. One such account, that of Hugh of Lincoln, led to the expulsion of all Jews from Britain in the 13th Century. Such accounts have generally been discounted, but are so wide spread that Jewish organizations have developed a name for them -- "blood libel".
The American group the ADL was founded to defend a Jew, Leo Frank, accused of raping and murdering a five year old girl, Mary Fagan, in his Atlanta pencil factory in 1913. The ADL claims he was innocent. A mob lynched him after the governor commuted his death sentence to life in prison.
Though AP and Reuters both ran stories on the episode, US media conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, again saying the story would prejudice Americans against Jews.
Jewish gangsters in Russia have become increasingly linked to traffic in "white slaves" and prostitutes through Israel, according to a recent report in the Jerusalem Post. Israel turns an official blind eye to forced prostitution, and does not punish Israeli citizens who choose to own "sex slaves", as long as the slaves are foreign and non-Jews.
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^ I am not interested that kind of ****, meninarmer. Read again the article. More on psychological state of these people.
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^ Psychological state of which people, Arabs or Israelis?
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There were pornographic comics by Zionists displaying SS soilders and inmates in concentration camp. I can't find the link right now, but try to google.
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OH, yes. Zionists have always been this way. There are biblical texts showing Jews selling their wives favors in church. Most of the leading ladies of the porn industry are Jews managed by their husbands.
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"The books told perverse tales of captured American or British pilots being abused by sadistic female SS officers outfitted with whips and boots. The plot usually ended with the male protagonists taking revenge, by raping and killing their tormentors." [Israel's Unexpected Spinoff from a Holocaust Trial By Isabel Kershner]
See also documentary film exerpt Eyal Liyani on youtube.
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Israel’s Unexpected Spinoff From a Holocaust Trial
Pocket books called Stalags were practically the only pornography available in the conservative Israeli society of the early 1960s. Though it was claimed that the Stalags were translated from English, they were actually created and written by Israelis.
quote:JERUSALEM, Sept. 5 — It was one of Israel’s dirty little secrets. In the early 1960s, as Israelis were being exposed for the first time to the shocking testimonies of Holocaust survivors at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, a series of pornographic pocket books called Stalags, based on Nazi themes, became best sellers throughout the land. Read under the table by a generation of pubescent Israelis, often the children of survivors, the Stalags were named for the World War II prisoner-of-war camps in which they were set. The books told perverse tales of captured American or British pilots being abused by sadistic female SS officers outfitted with whips and boots. The plot usually ended with the male protagonists taking revenge, by raping and killing their tormentors.
After decades in dusty back rooms and closets, the Stalags, a peculiar Hebrew concoction of Nazism, sex and violence, are re-emerging in the public eye. And with them comes a rekindled debate on the cultural representation here of Nazism and the Holocaust, and whether they have been unduly mixed in with a kind of sexual perversion and voyeurism that has permeated even the school curriculum.
“I realized that the first Holocaust pictures I saw, as one who grew up here, were of naked women,” said Ari Libsker, whose documentary film “Stalags: Holocaust and Pornography in Israel” had its premiere at the Jerusalem Film Festival in July and is to be broadcast in October and shown in movie theaters. “We were in elementary school,” he noted. “I remember how embarrassed we were.”
Hanna Yablonka, a professor of history at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, says the film highlights what she calls the “yellow aspects of nurturing the memory of the Holocaust.”
“Are we taking it into the realm of semipornography?” she asked. “The answer is, we are.”
The Stalags were practically the only pornography available in the Israeli society of the early 1960s, which was almost puritanical. They faded out almost as suddenly as they had appeared. Two years after the first edition was snatched up from kiosks around the central bus station in Tel Aviv, an Israeli court found the publishers guilty of disseminating pornography. The most famous Stalag, “I Was Colonel Schultz’s Private Bitch,” was deemed to have crossed all the lines of acceptability, prompting the police to try to hunt every copy down.
The Stalags went out of print and underground, circulating in specialty secondhand bookstores and among furtive groups of collectors.
Mr. Libsker’s 60-minute documentary puts the Stalags under a spotlight for the first time and exposes some uncomfortable truths. One is that the Stalags were a distinctly Israeli genre, created by Israeli publishers and penned by Israeli authors, although they had masqueraded as translations from English and were written in the first person as if they were genuine memoirs.
Until the Eichmann trial began in 1961, the voices of the Holocaust had hardly been heard in Israel. The survivors sensed the ambivalence of the old-timers who blamed them for not having emigrated in time, and questioned what immoral deeds they might have done in order to stay alive.
In the movie, the publisher of the first Stalag, Ezra Narkis, acknowledges that it was the trial, in all its sensational and often gory detail, that gave momentum to the genre.
More provocatively, the movie contends that Stalag pornography was but a popular extension of the writings of K. Tzetnik, the first author to tell the story of Auschwitz in Hebrew and a hero of the mainstream Holocaust literary canon. K. Tzetnik “opened the door,” and “the Stalag writers learned a lot from him,” Mr. Narkis said.
K. Tzetnik was a pseudonym for Yehiel Feiner De-Nur. The alias, short for the German for concentration camper, was meant to represent all survivors, a kind of Holocaust everyman. One of K. Tzetnik’s biggest literary successes, “Doll’s House,” published in 1953, told the story of a character purporting to be the author’s sister, serving the SS as a sex slave in Block 24, the notorious Pleasure Block in Auschwitz.
Though a Holocaust classic, many scholars now describe it as pornographic and likely made up.
"It was fiction," said Na'ama Shik, a researcher at Yad Vashem, The Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority. "There were no Jewish whores in Auschwitz."
Yet “Doll’s House” and other writings of K. Tzetnik, who died in 2001, are treated as historical fact by many in Israel, and are included in the high school curriculum. Mr. Libsker’s movie shows the vice principal of an Israeli school guiding a group of teenagers through Auschwitz, pointing out Block 24 and quoting from K. Tzetnik.
This approach to Holocaust education is being eschewed by an increasing number of Israeli academics. “The Holocaust was bad enough, without making things up,” Dr. Yablonka said.
Sidra Ezrahi, a professor of comparative Jewish literature at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said, “His books were so graphic and so barbaric.” Maybe at first they had an important impact, she said. “But over time,” she added, “if this is what they have chosen to leave in the Israeli curriculum, it’s a scandal.”
For many Israelis, the most dramatic part of the Eichmann trial was the testimony of K. Tzetnik. His true identity was revealed for the first time on the witness stand, where he passed out. Simultaneously, the Stalags were reaching the peak of their commercial success.
Yechiel Szeintuch, a professor of Yiddish literature at the Hebrew University, rejects any link between the smutty Stalags and the writings of K. Tzetnik as “an original sin.” He insists K. Tzetnik’s work was based on reality.
But Mr. Libsker, 35, himself the grandson of Holocaust survivors, contends that it is the same mixture of “horror, sadism and pornography” that serves to perpetuate the memory of the Holocaust in the Israeli consciousness to this day.
quote:Originally posted by akoben: They are called Stalags.
"The books told perverse tales of captured American or British pilots being abused by sadistic female SS officers outfitted with whips and boots. The plot usually ended with the male protagonists taking revenge, by raping and killing their tormentors." [Israel's Unexpected Spinoff from a Holocaust Trial By Isabel Kershner]
See also documentary film exerpt Eyal Liyani on youtube.
LOL, these were written by Jews? That's some perverse stuff. Who were the target market? Oh, I see. Mass consumption was in 60s Israel among Jews. Speculation is that they played some form of therapeutic role for survivors, but I fail to see how a comic featuring slave master wives torturing slaves before being overwhelmed, raped, and killed would aid any healing process in Africans.
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No wonder Zionism and Nazism are same thing. That is why it does not make any sense to engage with these people: racists - extremists - supremacists who suffer mental illness.
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It's extremely difficult not to aid them at least financially. It's a good bet your very internet service is through one of the Zionist controlled ISPs.
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quote: In the wake of a global furor triggered by Pope Benedict XVI’s decision to lift the excommunication of four traditionalist Catholic bishops, including one who cast doubt on the Holocaust, another leader in the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X has questioned whether the Nazis used gas chambers for anything other than “disinfection,” and said that people who hold revisionist views on the Holocaust are not anti-Semites.
Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz, a pastor and spokesperson for the Society of St. Pius X in northeastern Italy, also referred to Jews as “a people of deicide,” referring to the death of Christ, and suggested that the Jewish Holocaust has been “exalted” over what he called “other genocides,” such as the Allied bombing of German cities and the Israeli occupation of the Gaza strip.
On the other hand, Abrahamowicz insisted that the traditionalist movement founded by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is not “anti-Semitic.” Among other things, Abrahamowicz said, he himself has Jewish roots on his father’s side.
The comments came in a Jan. 29 interview with the Italian newspaper La Tribuna di Treviso. (An NCR translation of the full text of the interview appears below.)
Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, has apologized for the remarks of Bishop Richard Williamson, who in a recent interview with Swedish television claimed that the Nazis had not used gas chambers and estimated the number of Jewish deaths during World War II at no more than 300,000. Fellay has also barred Williamson from further comment. However, the Abrahamowicz interview suggests at least some degree of sympathy for Williamson’s views within the traditionalist group.
Reacting to protest in Italy over the Abrahamowicz interview, the Italian superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, issued a press release saying that the society confirms Fellay’s earlier statement on Williamson and “reproves every single word inconsistent with it.”
Reacting to protest in Italy over the Abrahamowicz interview, the Italian superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, issued a press release saying that the society confirms Fellay’s earlier statement on Williamson and “reproves every single word inconsistent with it.”
Abrahamowicz is himself a well-known figure in Italy. In 2006, he gave a television interview in which he said that Erich Priebke, a German SS officer convicted of war crimes for a 1944 massacre in Rome, in which 335 Italian civilians were killed in reprisal for the deaths of 33 German soldiers, should not be seen as an “executioner” but rather a soldier who acted “with regret and a heavy heart.” In 2007, Abrahamowicz celebrated a Latin Mass for Italian politician Umberto Bossi, leader of the far-right Northern League party. Bossi and his party have sometimes been accused of xenophobia, particularly towards Muslim immigrants.
In 2008, after Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi of Milan had expressed support for Muslims seeking to open new mosques in Italy, Abrahamowicz said on Italian radio that Tettamanzi was an example of “infiltrators” attempting to “subvert the church from within.”
Abrahamowicz’s latest comments come just one day after Benedict XVI pledged his “full and indisputable solidarity” with the Jewish people, and recalled the deaths of “millions of Jews” in the Nazi concentration camps.
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Fr. Floriano, is the Lefebvrite community anti-Semitic?
It’s truly impossible for a Catholic Christian to be anti-Semitic. I myself, on my father’s side, have Jewish roots. My last name even suggests this. This entire polemic regarding the statements of Bishop Williamson concerns the existence of gas chambers, and has been strongly instrumentalized for anti-Vatican purposes. Williamson simply expressed his doubts, and his ‘denial’ is not of the Holocaust – as newspapers have falsely said – but of the technical aspect of the gas chambers.
In your view, what’s the ‘technical aspect’ of the gas chambers?
Certainly, it was imprudent of Williamson to get into technical questions. In the famous interview, you can see that the journalist was obviously leading up to this specific aspect. But you have to understand that the theme of the Holocaust is situated on a much higher level than the question of knowing whether the victims died from gas or from other causes.
What do you think? About the gas chambers, I mean.
Truly, I don’t know. I know that gas chambers existed at least for disinfection, but I don’t know if they were used to kill people or not, because I haven’t studied the question. I know that, alongside the official version [of events], there’s another version based on the observations of the first Allied technicians who entered the camps.
Do you cast doubt on the number of victims of the Holocaust?
No, I don’t cast doubt on the numbers. There could have been more than six million victims. Even in the Jewish world, the number has a symbolic value. Pope Ratzinger says that even one person killed unjustly is too many, which is a way of saying that it’s equal to six million. To speak about numbers doesn’t change anything with respect to the essence of genocide, which is always an exaggeration.
An exaggeration? In what sense?
The number [of six million] is derived from what the head of the German Jewish community said to the Anglo-Americans shortly after the liberation. In the heat of the moment, he fired off a number. But how could he know? For him, the important point was that these victims were unjustly killed for religious motives. If there’s a criticism to be made of the way in which the tragedy of the Holocaust has been handled, it’s in giving it a supremacy with respect to other genocides.
To which other exterminations are you referring?
If Bishop Williamson had gone on television to deny the genocide of 1.2 million Armenians by the Turks, I don’t think that all the newspapers would have talked about his statements in the same terms they’re using now. Who has ever talked about the Anglo-American genocide in the bombing of German cities? Who has ever talked about Churchill, who ordered the phosphorous bombing of Dresden, where there were not only many civilians, but also many Allied soldiers? Who has spoken about the English air force, which, in the bombing of the cities, killed hundreds of thousands of civilians? And the Israelis certainly can’t tell me that the genocide they suffered from the Nazis is less serious than that of Gaza, simply because they’ve taken out a few thousand persons, while the Nazis took out six million. This is where I fault Judaism, which exasperates rather than honoring the victims of genocide decently. It’s as if there were only one genocide in history, that of the Jews during the Second World War. It seems like you can say anything you want about all the other exterminated peoples, but no one at the global level has spoken in the terms in which people are speaking today after the declarations of Bishop Williamson.
Why do so many people still cast doubt on the Shoah? Why is it a subject that still divides people so viscerally?
Because the whole history of humanity is marked by the people of Israel, who initially were the people of God, who then became the people of deicide, and who at the end of time will reconvert to Jesus Christ. Behind it all is a mysterious theological aspect, which is that of the people of God which rejected its Messiah and which still combats him. It’s a mystery of doctrine. Anti-Semitism is born from the illuminated liberal and Gnostic world. The church throughout history has always protected the Jews from pogroms, as one reads, for example, in Domenico Savino’s book on ritual homicide.
What do you think of [Holocaust] denial?
Denial is a false problem, because it focuses on methods and numbers and doesn’t address the substance of the problem. Those who have studied the technical data, and who have cast certain doubts on the versions that we find in history books, aren’t anti-Semites. It’s enough to recall that the first ones to find this data were also those who saved the Jews, meaning the Allies.
Do you want to offer a message to the Jewish community?
One message: As a Catholic Christian, adding that little Jewish blood that runs in my veins, I express the hope that the Jews will embrace Our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
Published: 18 Oct 2008 rigTeaserImage TWISTED al-Qaeda terrorists are transmitting secret messages inside hardcore child porn images on the internet, police chiefs believe.
Scotland Yard fear the Islamic fundamentalists are embedding coded material in depraved pictures of children and using paedophile websites as a secure way of exchanging information.
The sick link came to light after child pornography was found in anti-terror swoops on addresses across the UK — and during major investigations in Italy and Spain.
One key case was that of so-called “Whitechapel Rapist” Abdul Makim Khalisadar — a former mujahidin fighter jailed for ten years in March. Arrest
Although never convicted of any terror charges, the 26-year-old first fell under scrutiny due to his links to a militant later caged for terrorism.
When police investigated, they found child porn on his computer, while DNA taken after his arrest linked him to the rape of a 27-year-old attacked in her home.
In another anti-terror swoop, officers discovered 40,000 vile images on their target’s computer.
MI5 officers are already aware of the bizarre link and are pushing for research to help them understand the mindset of terrorists.
One security services source said: “It’s surprising as terrorists are at the extreme end of Islamic beliefs where you’d expect them to be vehemently opposed to child pornography.
“They may simply be taking advantage of the technological expertise used in transmitting paedophile material for their own ends. Or they may be getting sexual gratification.” Terrorists are thought to be exploiting techniques built up by paedophiles and organised gangs to store, encrypt and transmit information securely over the web.
These include steganography — concealing digital information within computer files including photographs and word documents. The recipient can use special applications to reverse the process and access the hidden files.
Experts warn that advances in encryption techniques are now outpacing the ability of police and the security services to crack them and monitor their use.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: LOL, these were written by Jews? That's some perverse stuff. Who were the target market? Oh, I see. Mass consumption was in 60s Israel among Jews. Speculation is that they played some form of therapeutic role for survivors, but I fail to see how a comic featuring slave master wives torturing slaves before being overwhelmed, raped, and killed would aid any healing process in Africans.
It just shows that white Jews know that they are really white people and secretly lust for other white women. As Arwa said both ideologies are the same. Extreme ethnocentric whites find each other attractive I guess.
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Iraqi Shias: "Come, let us sleep with your wife, daughter, and sister, so the Mahdi may return"
Apparently some Shia groups in Iraq are operating under a doctrine that maintains if people engage in debauched behavior -- sowing corruption in the earth - that would only speed up the return of the Mahdi. As with taqiyya, yet another example of how in Islam, the end often justifies the means, as in this hadith, about niyya, or "intention": "Actions are what they are by virtue of intent."
Shiite cults seek to wreak havoc in Iraq
A few fringe groups seek to sow chaos, convinced it will hasten the arrival of the Mahdi, the Shiites’ 12th imam who they believe will bring peace.
By Usama Redha October 15, 2008 in print edition A-3
Falling into a depression after her husband was killed last year, Iman immersed herself in religious studies and became fixated on a Shiite Muslim saint.
Soon, a secretive group of worshipers tried to recruit the young widow, telling her that she could help bring the holy figure back to Earth. All she had to do was sleep with the group’s male followers.
Horrified, Iman, now 20, refused.
Her experience shines a light on the rise in Iraq of fanatical cults devoted to Imam Mahdi, the Shiites’ 12th imam. A descendant of the prophet Muhammad, he disappeared more than 1,000 years ago.
The Shiite faithful believe that in the world’s darkest hour, Imam Mahdi will return and bring justice and calm. But where mainstream Shiite believers wait patiently for that day, groups such as the one that tried to enlist Iman are convinced that they can hasten his reappearance by spreading chaos.
Devout Sunnis also believe in the Mahdi’s coming, but do not think it involves the Shiite imam.
Already, two Shiite cults have tried to stage violent uprisings in Iraq. In January 2007, as many as 250 followers of a group called Heaven’s Army were killed when they massed to attack the Shiite shrine city of Najaf. A year later, as many as 80 people died in battles with the police and army during a revolt in Basra by another cult, Supporters of the Mahdi.
Some experts speak of the cults nervously, afraid of being tracked down by the groups for talking about their mysterious practices.
Dr. Hassan, a psychology professor at Baghdad’s Mustansiriya University who declined to give his full name because of worries about his safety, explained that some Iraqis had embraced conservative Shiite traditions with zeal after the 2003 ouster of Saddam Hussein, who had oppressed the country’s Shiite majority.
“Before the war, the situation was different. To talk about religious things was forbidden and one could be arrested,” Hassan said. “All these feelings bottled up inside and started to appear after Saddam’s fall.”
Iman, who also declined to give her full name, discovered the world of cults as she sought solace in religion in the months after her husband’s death. A friend suggested she do something positive while waiting for Imam Mahdi’s return.
“Her talks charmed me and made me think about heaven,” Iman said. She opened up to her friend in a way she couldn’t with her family. She told her friend how she had been lonely since her husband’s death.
“I liked to talk about my needs as a woman, and we were joking about many things. Unfortunately, sometimes I went too far talking about things I should never have talked about, but I was just joking,” she said.
The woman suggested that Iman sleep with her husband if she wanted to help speed up the Mahdi’s return.
“I looked at her and laughed. I thought she was joking. I told her, ‘No, he is too old for me. I want someone younger,’ ” Iman said. “She said, ‘I’m serious – all you have to do is sleep with my husband.’ ”
Others shared similar stories about the group, called Mumahidoon, or “those who prepare the way.”
Abu Jassem said the group preyed upon him when he was unemployed.
His recruiter was a good friend who knew of his religious fervor, and of his need for money. The friend sweetened the deal with the promise of a stipend for joining the cult. But then he told Abu Jassem of the one catch: He had to let his fellow believers sleep with his wife, daughter and sister.
“I was stunned but didn’t show my astonishment. Later I told them I refused the idea because these things were against my traditions and religion.”
Although Iraqi security officials dismiss the idea that such cults pose a genuine threat, Hassan is not convinced. “The cults in our society,” he warned, “could pose a danger.”
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: OH, yes. Zionists have always been this way. There are biblical texts showing Jews selling their wives favors in church. Most of the leading ladies of the porn industry are Jews managed by their husbands.
The sadism doesn't stop there. Read the Talmud and you'll understand their twisted relationship with their fellow white European brethrens, the Christians, has a long history.
"What exactly is so scandalous? How about Jesus punished in Hell for eternity by being made to sit in a cauldron of boiling excrement? That image appears in early manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud, as does a brief account of Jesus’ trial and execution—not by the Romans but by the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin. The Jewish community, to the extent Jews were even aware of these excised texts, has been content to let them remain obscure and unknown." Link
quote:Originally posted by Arwa: No wonder Zionism and Nazism are same thing. That is why it does not make any sense to engage with these people: racists - extremists - supremacists who suffer mental illness.
Zionism is the belief that the Jewish community has a right to its ancestral homeland. Nothing more, nothing less.
Served a good purpose in its time(19th-early 20th century), and is an outdated concept now.
I don't see how Zionism is racist, supremacist or wrong.
I am in no ways supporter of the Israeli government in their use of excessive force against the Palestinians. However Israel's motives are not racist, or supremacist. Supremacistic ideology is to tell people that God has created the entire world to submit itself to Muslims and pay them tribute for they are 'the best people'.
3 1/2 Year Old Egyptian Girl : Jews Are Apes And Pigs, The Quran Says So A sickening example of the brainwashing in the Arab/Islamic world:
Wednesday, January 14, 2009 Neo-Nazis & Islamists March Together Against Israel
(Updated with photos) The Neo-Nazis and Islamists marched together against Israel in Calgary this past weekend.
The neo-Nazi Aryan Guard & Islamists March Together Against Israel. Apparently, their hatred of Israel and Jews seemed to temporarily supersede their hatred of other groups.
Neo-Nazis are not pro-Israel
Radical Islam and nazism have a great many things in common for sure. The neo Nazis with their racist ideology and anti Semitic agenda are home with the epitome of hate and bigotry of Radical Islam. They are brothers in arms.
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Zionists have been known for dressing up like Arabs and Nazis to fuel their propaganda machine. They have a long history of doing this. Likewise, there are many thousands of Zionists coming from the US and Russia who fully cooperated in the Nazi camps living happily in Israel.
These are the same Zionist Jews who propagate stereotypes and myths such as the IQ, Sexual Animal, violent behavior, contributing nothing to civilization, and welfare myths against Africans and African Americans
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This is the only sensible thing you've said in your post. Yes I agree, extreme ethnocentrism and racist ideologies like Zionism are out dated. What little sympathy from the world Zionism got from years of careful propaganda went up in flames from Israelis bombs in Gaza. The rest of your post is the familiar apologia I would expect from an Israeli mole. Not worth replying to.
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^ who knows, how many Muslims believe in the Hadith? But honestly kid, you're not even ready for a discussion on this topic. Go back to the "culprits" thread and post till your hearts content. lol
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The Zionists will stop at nothing but their tricks on this score may not have the intended effect. The Koran itself promises to put pre-pubescent boys at the service of jihadi martyrs not interested in the female virgins awaiting them in paradise. The boys will be like “scattered pearls” of “perpetual freshness” (Suras 52:24, 56:17, 76:19).
So child porn may actually not offend Muslim sensitivities as the Zionists hope.
Claims have come up time and again either here or some other section of Egyptsearch, about encouragement and even endorsement of little boy sodomy by the Koran itself. Never really paid much attention to these, as I generally see them as quibbles between folks from different religious camps, out to prove that one religion is better than the other; but because of the repetitive nature of these claims, including this latest incidence, I said to myself, why not look up the said references myself for clarity. I looked up the referenced Suras above by Flaco, and this is what I came across:
At Sura 52:24, it says...
And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls.
But right before that, in the same Sura verse 20, it says this:
They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hur (female, fair ones) with wide loverly eyes.
Why would there be a need to marry "them" to Hur, the "fair females"?
For Flaco's reference to Sura 56:17, it says this...
Immortal boys will go around to them (serving),
But right after that, it says this, in verse 18 and 19 respectively....
With cups, and jugs, and a glass of flowing wine,
Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.
And again, for Sura 56, in verses 22, 23, and 24...
And (there will be ) Hur (fair females) with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for "Al-Muttaqun" - the pious - See V.2:2),
Like unto preserved pearls.
A reward for what they used to do.
The same question applies here; why the "Hur" female offering as "wives"?
In response to Falco's reference to Sura 76, verse 19, it says this...
And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls.
And indeed, I see "boys of everlasting youth" and "scattered pearls" that Flaco seems to be referring to in that line.
But then, I looked at the preceding verses of that Sura, and examined the grammatic nature of them; from verse 15, 16, 17, and 18 respectively...
And amongst them will be passed round vessels of silver and cups of crystal --
Crystal-clear, made of silver. They will determine the measure thereof (according to their wishes).
And they will be given to drink there of a cup (of wine) mixed with Zanjabil (ginger),
A spring there, called Salsabil.
Now, paying attention to the grammar, with emphasis on the highlighted bits, I can't help but notice that while "everlasting youth" is undeniably a reference to the boys in verse 19, "scattered pearls" as a reference to them may not be all that apparent, as per the grammar rules. In fact, it "scattered pearls" appears to be a reference to the subjects in paradise, who serve as models for the reader, so as to give an idea of what the rewards would be if the reader enters paradise. "You" here, appears to be a direct reference to the reader. So, "scattered pearls" is a reference to the paradise entrants rather than the boys [presumably of "everlasting youth"] who are serving them. But what are they serving these paradise entrants with; is it sexual in nature? Well, the answer to that lies in verses 15 through to 18. Those boy servants simply serve them "wine mixed with Zanjabil"; no mention of anything of sexual nature that I can think of. The idea here is that, the paradise entrants are being served as if they were precious or important, you know, like "scattered pearls" by paradise servants who just so happen to be male servants who physically sport "everlasting youthfulness"...after all this is paradise; even servants have to be pleasant looking, whether males or females.
In the other referenced Suras, we see the same theme; the paradise entrants, presumably of male orientation, as can be judged from the need to marry them with "Hur" females, are described as "preserved pearls" as a way of relating the supposed importance or prestige with which they are treated in paradise, and getting served with wine and drinks [and nothing more that I can come across] by boy-servants. If anything else, it seems the Koran has a bias, or a fetish if you will, for "very fair" Females. No? Then in what other context are any of these being related, and as demonstrated by what?
And in fact, where does it say anywhere in the Koran, that these verses are in reference to:
"jihadi martyrs not interested in the female virgins awaiting them in paradise" - by Flaco
Perhaps Flaco can fill us in on these specificities.
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Why are you coming at me like that? This is what is found in the koran and the Hadiths. There is no reason to attack me because of the perverted stuff muslims do. I just relayed texts that speak about what is happening in muslim countries. You really need to relax. What that socalled "Prophet" did was establish a cult. The members of this cult, take any questions they don't like, as if it was an attack on them. Why don't you slam the perverted muslims found in the articles, instead you attack me and say I post dirty topics. Why not attack the muslims who are taking part in these perversion.
Also Arwa, where are you getting your info from? What have I done for the last two years, you seem to think I was on the religious section for two years?
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Well to start off in Heaven Allah says that you will get women who are strickly made to be sex slaves to muslims. It's not one women you get, the lowest of the believers get 72 women and 300 boys.
Now as for the boys if you can read in Arabic you will notice that in the verse about the boys you get one passages says "Yenzifoon" as in the boys will not bleed. The translations dumb it down to hide these sick verses. As for the one we know in the translated quran, They say these boys will look like scattred pearls. Now ask yourself why would Muhammad state for everyone to see that these Boys are "Handsome" a servant is a servant but the socalled "Prophet" made sure to mention that. it is also noted that this is all for the male muslims what do women get? They get to see there husband sleep with 72 women. So basically, Islamic heaven is all about having sex, drinking wine etc.
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Well to start off in Heaven Allah says that you will get women who are strickly made to be sex slaves to muslims.
First let's deal with the noted suras I asked you about, which you've described as being "perverted".
Then, please reference the specific sura you're speaking about above, that says "women who are strickly made to be sex slaves to muslims".
quote: It's not one women you get, the lowest of the believers get 72 women and 300 boys.
Please reference the suras in question.
quote: Now as for the boys if you can read in Arabic you will notice that in the verse about the boys you get one passages says "Yenzifoon" as in the boys will not bleed.
Is this in the noted suras above in my last post, or a different one? If the later, please cite the sura.
quote: The translations dumb it down to hide these sick verses.
You are an eloquent Arabic speaker? Cite the Arabic terms, that are left out of the noted suras.
quote: As for the one we know in the translated quran, They say these boys will look like scattred pearls.
Can you reference my post, which cites the suras in question, and elaborate on the questions about how this is so.
quote: Now ask yourself why would Muhammad state for everyone to see that these Boys are "Handsome" a servant is a servant but the socalled "Prophet" made sure to mention that.
Actually, the question I'd like ask first, is what sura is in question here; that refers to "boys are handsome", or are you confusing "everlasting youthfulness" with "handsome"? And even if they were "handsome", how's that perverted.
quote: it is also noted that this is all for the male muslims what do women get?
Well, we are going to soon learn about what is noted and not noted in the suras, aren't we.
quote: They get to see there husband sleep with 72 women. So basically, Islamic heaven is all about having sex, drinking wine etc.
Peace
Could be. But let's discuss the suras first, if you will, not mere paraphrasing or personal interpretations. Let's see where that gets us. How about starting with the posts I asked Flaco to address?
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(QURAN 56:37-40): "...We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand…."
As you can read for yourself this verse says Houris and made them virgins.
(QURAN 78:31-34): "As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup."
This verse says point blank High-Bosomed virgins, now I hope you get the implication
(QURAN 44:51-55): "Verily! The righteous will be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing each other, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes."
(QURAN 52: 17-20): "Verily, for those who fear Allah there will be Gardens in Paradise, filled with Delight. Enjoying in that which their Lord has bestowed on them, and the fact that their Lord saved them from the torment of the blazing Fire. The Lord will say: ‘Eat and drink with happiness because of what you used to do’. They will recline with ease on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Houris with wide lovely eyes."
This verse says plainly you will marry these Houris.
(QURAN 55:54-59): "Reclining upon the couches lined with silk brocade, and the fruits of the Gardens will be near at hand. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? Wherein will be those houris, restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse before. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny? In beauty they are like rubies and coral. Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you deny?"
This verse says again plainly that these houris which no man or jinn have opened there hymen or had sexual intercourse with.
Boys:
(QURAN 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."
(QURAN 56:17): "They will be served by immortal boys."
(QURAN 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."
Now in these short verses it speaks about slave boys who look like scattered pearls. You can't really tell me that this verse is not clear about the implications. All muhammad had to do is say that there will be servant boys and stop, instead he said these boys look like Scattered pearls why would he make this claim?
Thats all I have to say on the issue.
Peace
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King, Homosexuality is as pervasive in the baptist and catholic churches as it is in Islam. Look at Maurice Blackwell, T.D. Jakes, Oprah, and the 10s of thousands of other gay black mainstream preachers and members.
What you are trying to prove is that 6 of these is greater than a half dozen of those.
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(QURAN 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."
(QURAN 56:17): "They will be served by immortal boys."
(QURAN 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."
Now in these short verses it speaks about slave boys who look like scattered pearls. You can't really tell me that this verse is not clear about the implications.
They are clear to me, as I've laid them out above, i.e. those very same suras; but I'm not sure the same is true for you.
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All muhammad had to do is say that there will be servant boys and stop, instead he said these boys look like Scattered pearls why would he make this claim?
That's your claim, not the Quran. I know you refuse to do so for whatever reason, but you haven't addressed what I said about those same suras; why?
quote: Thats all I have to say on the issue.
Peace
Well, King, it seems that you really haven't had much to say, because the following remains at large, vis-a-vis your charges:
But let's discuss the suras first, if you will, not mere paraphrasing or personal interpretations. Let's see where that gets us. How about starting with the posts I asked Flaco to address? - The Explorer
Repeating the above referenced suras without actually resolving the sticking feedback points I've raised about them, indicates that the fault is not with the suras in question, but on your reading. No? Then please elaborate, as asked of you above.
As for suras pertaining the "Hurs" (or heaven virgins), of course they are mentioned; though I take it that they being seen a symbols of beauty, are emphasized, as part of that air of the overall beauty and comfort of paradise. That's one way to look at it; and of course, there's the other way to look at it, i.e. your way, of simply seeing things sexual as in a sex party of some sort, LOL. I mean, it isn't exactly rocket science that the "Hurs" can only be there for the paradise entrant's pleasure, after all, why else one would need a "Hur" in paradise in the first place? And why is there a need for a heaven female companion(s) to be Hur? Well, it's simple: this is paradise; hence, the rewarded entrant is only rewarded with all things "fresh" and "pure", and yes, including the "Hur". That's what some of these verses intend to relay in their descriptive-invocation of the Hur ("freshly" created, and hence, "pure" female companions). Henceforth, the primary intention here is not one of sexual innuendos, but I can see how *some* individuals may overlook that said theme, and instead read sexual innuendos into them. At any rate, the invocation of the offerings of these "Hur" clearly hurt your case about the offering of adolescent males for sexual intentions. Think about it, while you address the above.
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