quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: [QUOTE]Ok cool, sounds good but then why did you say "stereotypical West African" it just doesn't make any sense to me I am not trying to be difficult I do respect your contributions Evergreen don't take this the wrong way
Evergreen Writes: Fair enough. I put "stereotypical West African" in quotes because people seem to have a preconcieved notion of what a West African should look like. There are definite trends which can be quantified and plotted for statistical analysis purposes. However, underneath these averages and modalities there is great variability in hair texture, melanin intensification, cranio-facial form etc.
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quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: [QUOTE]Ok cool, sounds good but then why did you say "stereotypical West African" it just doesn't make any sense to me I am not trying to be difficult I do respect your contributions Evergreen don't take this the wrong way
Evergreen Writes: Fair enough. I put "stereotypical West African" in quotes because people seem to have a preconcieved notion of what a West African should look like. There are definite trends which can be quantified and plotted for statistical analysis purposes. However, underneath these averages and modalities there is great variability in hair texture, melanin intensification, cranio-facial form etc.
I do have a question though, how much melanin does one have to have to be black if they found a body that's been buried for thousands of years.
Like, if a filipino died today and was dug up in a field 4000 years from now, save for lineage could it be possible for him to be mistaken for black considering they are dark skinned?
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quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: [QUOTE]I do have a question though, how much melanin does one have to have to be black if they found a body that's been buried for thousands of years.
Like, if a filipino died today and was dug up in a field 4000 years from now, save for lineage could it be possible for him to be mistaken for black considering they are dark skinned?
Evergreen Writes: When you say Black what do you mean? Based upon your definition what makes a person Black?
By the way there is a range of skin reflectance which can be quantified and measured.
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quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Since I started coming to this site I have asked for the definition of what "black" is and no one ever answers lol.
Can you tell me what "black" means, quantified and measured.
Evergreen Writes: Please don't answer a question with a question.
quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Also, you do realize that "black" is a racial term and if you say you don't believe in "Race" then what happens to the term "black"?
Evergreen Writes: Who said the term Black was a racial term? It has never been used that way by Black Americans.
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quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Since I started coming to this site I have asked for the definition of what "black" is and no one ever answers lol.
Can you tell me what "black" means, quantified and measured.
Evergreen Writes: Please don't answer a question with a question.
quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Also, you do realize that "black" is a racial term and if you say you don't believe in "Race" then what happens to the term "black"?
Evergreen Writes: Who said the term Black was a racial term? It has never been used that way by Black Americans.
It was never coined by black Americans either Evergreen It was coined by Europeans, but I see you as well will not answer my question so nevermind SMH.
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Definition of black seen in various ES THREADS.
The definition of Black and Negro:
text: From Dictionary.com: Negro- "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, generally marked by brown to black skin pigmentation.."
From Bartleby.com "Black - "Of or belonging to a racial group having brown to black skin, especially one of African origin"
NOTE: That's brown to black skin pigmentation. Also note that Ethiopians and Saharans are "sub-Saharan"
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quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Since I started coming to this site I have asked for the definition of what "black" is and no one ever answers lol.
Can you tell me what "black" means, quantified and measured.
Evergreen Writes: Please don't answer a question with a question.
quote:Originally posted by The_Killer_Wolofi: Also, you do realize that "black" is a racial term and if you say you don't believe in "Race" then what happens to the term "black"?
Evergreen Writes: Who said the term Black was a racial term? It has never been used that way by Black Americans.
It was never coined by black Americans either Evergreen It was coined by Europeans, but I see you as well will not answer my question so nevermind SMH.
---It's only a matter of time Negros, only a matter of time SMH---
Evergreen Writes: You must be unfamiliar with the "Black Power Movement" when Blacks began to take on this name for themselves having formerly been refered to as "Negroes", etc. by Whites.
From Negro to Black to African American: The power of names and naming
BL Martin - Political Science Quarterly, 1991 From Negro to Black to African American: The power of names and namingPosts: 2007 | From: Washington State | Registered: Oct 2006
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We Somalis are a fierce race of replublicans, one of the qualities we inherited from the ancients. That is why Cushitic people continue carry names like the Oroma which means Free People, even the Berbers call themselves Amazigh meaning the same. We don't worship at the Nordic Altar or subscribe to the an Antithetic True Negro, u may carry this ancient lineage but ur like a donkey laden with books when it comes to any claim to that lineage. Nevertheless, u r bright and resourceful with some clear and useful insights in your reflection on genetic genealogy. If u need cheerleaders in nordic worship try the southern europeans, arabs and the mulatto modern egyptians busy pimping pyramids and other relics of ancient cushitic culture.
Yonis:
What clan r u from?, I will bet my laptop ur majerteen, continue on this course and I will expose the ignoble dhabayaco.
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Yes, i'm Majerten, and you are going to expose me on what?? Who the hell are you first of all?
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Sometimes "African American look" comments on the net make me think "if only i would post pics of my family up on the net to strangers" to show them how non-conforming to the myths internet whites and their submissive Africans getting off on Horner fantasies concoct. Even more so for the dark skinned side of my family.
However, this should suffice
Plus for the slow people, not excluding yxy and E3b2c b's:
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^^^ Dang! Look at them tropical limb proportions.. lol
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If I can remember my Latin; Here goes I Anansi pronounce thee ^^FOXIMUS BOOTYMUS MAXIMUS TROPICANUS. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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^ LOL Whatbox, you do realize that as fine as those lovely girls you posted are there is NO way they can carry E1b1 or any E lineages because of the simple fact that such lineages are carried on the Y-chromosome of males.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL Whatbox, you do realize that as fine as those lovely girls you posted are there is NO way they can carry E1b1 or any E lineages because of the simple fact that such lineages are carried on the Y-chromosome of males.
^^ His point still stands. Phenetic characteristics can still be passed from father to daughter.
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As a Trini would say....I go sex she!!!,she does lok so hot^^^I go drink a Caribe an com bak fi she. sorry folks inter Island ting u wouldn't undersatand,but wi familiy Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL Whatbox, you do realize that as fine as those lovely girls you posted are there is NO way they can carry E1b1 or any E lineages because of the simple fact that such lineages are carried on the Y-chromosome of males.
lol, i don't believe in a person being an E1b1b or anything like that which is i wrote it like that (e.g. "an E1b1b", lol): purposely to poke fun at the way E3bsbs and xyy say things like "i'm somalid" or "I'm an E1b1a", as if it constitutes more than 0.1% of anyone's biological makeup if that (females -- i'm usually reminding everyone that haplotypes make up abysmal to nil percentages of anyone's DNA -- there use is to date and map population affinities, and possibly geographic origins for mutations).
The insanity that is the West East Africa dichotomy agenda seem to be in season, and Afro Americans the focus.
I just happened to have seen these pics and figured i'd post them up, with the trolls getting off on the "the contrast" thread and with this thread being periodically bumped (and being at the start of a page). I scanned for either this or King's thread (i thought King's would be more recent, it's not even on page 2).
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quote:Originally posted by assopen: LOL it seems Mr Fabricator Mary Lefkowitz strikes again.
LOL Indeed, you continue to project. Calling me a fabricator when it is YOU who continually lies and attributes false claims to others! And again no Mary Lefkowitz here, only Djehuti to strike your ass with his foot, but not his d*ck like your male clients.
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quote:Originally posted by Evergreen: ^^ His point still stands. Phenetic characteristics can still be passed from father to daughter.
Of course! I was just adding why it is nonsense to say that these luvlies have any E lineage. Also E or any SNPs of the Y-chromosome have NOTHING to do with phenetics anyway so even males who carry the lineages don't have any looks based upon the lineages.
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the insidious thing about the E1b1b E1b1a ideologically emphasized dichotomy, is that the focus is usually on de-Africanizing and Europeanizing the former while isolating the latter with the main focus being African Americans.
a.) that there actually are many genetic relationships accross the continent
b.) the NRY haplotypes we discuss are less than 0.1% of what makes anyone anyone -- and 0% for some (females don't usually carry Y chromes).
c.) the E1b1b "Europe-Africa" connection that people only want to even imply and emphasize in light of autocthronous ancient African contact with Europe and only to the purpose of watering the history down, only happens with offshoots of a derivative of a downstream lineage which is brother to E1b1a in the first place. And instead of affecting Southern Europe (w/ respect to Northern) this somehow is made out to have implications for West and East Africa, other than African ancestry in Europe!
d) In Europe R1a & R1b aren't treated this way. Nor either of those and I. Nor is J treated this way. J is J is J.
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This is an Indonesian man, LMAO@ Jeeves not being able to tell the difference between indonesian man and African meanwhile trying to sound clever and enlighted Posts: 1554 | Registered: Jul 2006
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^ LOL I was wondering why that pirate didn't look much like a Somali.
Anyway, here is a picture of a real Somali pirate
^ The Somali man above like all Somalis and other indigenous Africans is clearly black.
quote:Originally posted by Whatbox: the insidious thing about the E1b1b E1b1a ideologically emphasized dichotomy, is that the focus is usually on de-Africanizing and Europeanizing the former while isolating the latter with the main focus being African Americans.
a.) that there actually are many genetic relationships accross the continent
b.) the NRY haplotypes we discuss are less than 0.1% of what makes anyone anyone -- and 0% for some (females don't usually carry Y chromes).
c.) the E1b1b "Europe-Africa" connection that people only want to even imply and emphasize in light of autocthronous ancient African contact with Europe and only to the purpose of watering the history down, only happens with offshoots of a derivative of a downstream lineage which is brother to E1b1a in the first place. And instead of affecting Southern Europe (w/ respect to Northern) this somehow is made out to have implications for West and East Africa, other than African ancestry in Europe!
d) In Europe R1a & R1b aren't treated this way. Nor either of those and I. Nor is J treated this way. J is J is J.
Correct. It is completely absurd and utterly ridiculous to not only assign 'race' to haplogroup which is independent of phenotype but to even seperate a haplogroup as non-black when it clearly originated in Africa! The morons who insist on calling E1b1b "caucasoid" fail to explain why that is or why the parent lineage and sibling lineage are not "caucasoid"!
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quote:Originally posted by assopen: LOL it seems Mr Fabricator Mary Lefkowitz strikes again.
LOL Indeed, you continue to project. Calling me a fabricator
Actually that name was given to you by your former pimp great jew, don't you remember? What about this..."the resident Asian fake ass wannabe who uses no less than the name of an African deity and the deity of all-knowledge at that" Thats him also, not me. LOL
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It was coined by Europeans, but I see you as well will not answer my question so nevermind SMH.
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