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Every now and then a troll or two try an attempt at ridicule of African art, denoting what they considered it's primitiveness. but alas the poor fools don't even realize that far from being primitive African Art like music,hair styles..see (Djheut's Bo Derrick)..permeates the so called modern world from paintings to architecture.
So this thread is a shoutout to the ancient African origins of modern Art.
African art has played an important role in the culture and history of the world. It's distinctive characteristics and inspirations have influenced many artists to adapt their own interpretation of the art in their own time period. Characteristics of African art had made its way into many paintings in the Cubist period, among others. If one examines the European avant-garde artistic movement of cubism, founded mainly by Pablo Picasso, they can find many themes adapted from African art.
Cubism is the most influential movement in the history of modern art. It is a complex movement, including not only painters and sculptors, but also musicians and poets. The Cubists introduced entirely new approaches to interpreting form and space. Cubism began in France, where it flourished as a movement between 1907 and 1914. It was headed by the work of Pablo Picasso and Georges Braque.
Characteristics of the first phase of Cubism, usually called Analytic Cubism, were the simplification, distortion and emphasis of the forms of objects. Cubism was a reaction again set the formlessness of Impressionism, but the development of Cubism got many ideas from post-Impressionism. Following the trend of the nineteenth-century transcendentalism, the artists believed that "true reality lay in the essential idea and not in its reflection in the material world" (Colliers 546). The role of the artist was to create symbolic forms for the essence of ideas, rather than initiate the short-lived appearance of things. This attitude led to paintings based on the expressive abilities of the artist, and the idea of creating expressive art, like music, that didn't depend completely on the world in actuality. This began as experimentation with color and lines, but experimentation with form would later develop. A typical Cubist painting analyzes the subject in basic geometric shapes and elementary signs. By rearranging these elements and not mimicking object in nature directly, the Cubists developed a new manner of representation. Many Cubist paintings and sculptures are still lifes that represent such common objects as tabletops, musical instruments, bottles, etc. Cubists were often impressed by everyday subjects such as advertisements, cartoons, and songs. Some artists included numbers and parts of words in their paintings. In addition, many of the cubists were strongly influenced by the formal simplification and expressive power of black African sculpture. The second phase of Cubism, Hermetic Cubism, was marked by the disappearance of the representation of objects and a slow phase-out of the separation of form and space. A characteristic of paintings in this phase was the appearance of "an iridescence which was caused by the use in the picture of transparent overlapping planes whose position in space was ambiguous" (Colliers 547). These characteristics began to appear in Picasso's works in 1910.
The third phase of Cubism is Synthetic Cubism. It marked a major change in the artistic point of view of the movement. Synthetic Cubists wanted to improve reality with the creation of new tasteful objects. Many works of this period consisted of cutout shapes of canvas in many colors pasted on the main canvas. Though cubism faded out as an active movement in the 1920's, it's influence on modern art has been deep.
One of the first main developments of Cubism was experimenting with the forms of Paul Cezanne's painting. Although this influence is not completely apparent, Pablo Picasso's Portrait of Gertrude Stein showed in an interest in Cezanne's style. Cubism was in its nascent phase, and after Picasso's return from Spain with his first cubist landscapes in his hand, a long struggle began. Cubism began with landscapes, but Picasso quickly began to use the style to portray people. Picasso always knew "people were the only interesting thing to him." (Christian Science Monitor 1).
Picasso painted a number of landscapes without any figures in them. Picasso then experimented further with the complex interlocking and overlapping of forms. He continued to experiment and lead the Cubist movement along with Georges Braque. His most acclaimed works of this period were at the point when he "mastered" the Cubist techniques in his numerous interpretations of both male and female characters. During this period, Picasso's works began to shift slightly in appearance and theme. His characters had oddly shaped faces, looking similar to masks. Their masklike faces reflected his interest in Iberian and African sculpture. Picasso was interested in African art, as were many other artists of the time. His interest in these pieces began to appear in his work. The colors of Picasso's palette were "earth tones" and natural colors, typical of African sculture. Picasso also painted wild animals such as bulls and horned creatures, similar to those found in the African range. His interest in African sculpture was directly seen in his sculpture representative of African characters traditionally made of wood and other materials. This interest in African art can be seen in one of Picasso's most famous paintings, Les Demoiselles de Avignon, where some of the women in the painting appear to be wearing masks.
African art has influenced many artistic movements throughout history. Even the founder of the Cubist movement was heavily influenced by this aesthetically different cultural form of expression. Picasso allowed himself to create yet another movement within the Cubist movement in which African culture and art can be greatly appreciated. http://cghs.dadeschools.net/african-american/twentieth_century/cubism.htm
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For JeriAnkhAmon when you finish your school and start your firm I am hoping you will give Cubist Architecture a shot..hopefully I will have enough money to hire your firm to design my building(don't gouge me please)..
How African art has influenced the Western architecture
African art became a great source of fresh inspiration to the artists of the early twentieth century who wanted to do away with the established artistic conventions of the time. However, despite this important impact it had on Western art in the past century, for the time before that it had little to no effect on European art. This was so because African art was conceptualized so differently than European art that most Europeans didn’t even consider it as art; the concepts of African art and its emphasis on form and ritual were strange and foreign to Europeans and this lead to it being overlooked till the beginning of the twentieth century when in search of new artistic forms, European artists took a closer look at the apparent abstract forms of African art. www.africanart.org.uk/influence_on_western_ar.. Damn man some people just hate and don't appreciate.How much poorer culturally this world would be with out the African inspiration.
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In the 2009 spring season, African style is a drumbeat through the clothes and accessories. Surprisingly it isn't about the ethnic. Instead, it is the sculpted geometric shapes of Africa and its rich spicy colors that are the strongest forms of identity. Couture coiffeur Orlando Pita created these sculptural silhouettes for Christian Dior. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/03/30/fashion/20090331-iht-fafrica-slideshow_index.html Ok!! open for comments... Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Interesting topic on diffusion of African art into other parts of the world.
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quote:Interesting topic on diffusion of African art into other parts of the world.
Well we also have to keep in mind that this was not the first time or era that African art was influencing other parts of the world,for there was never a time when it stopped.
Take you back to the time of the Greeks for instance One Egyptian technique is to have a triangle for the face and two upside-down triangles for the hair. This makes the hair help support the neck, which otherwise might be too thin to hold up the head. Another Egyptian idea is to have one foot a little in front of the other, which also helps the statue to stand up and not fall over. One difference is that the Greeks always made their statues nude (without clothes), while the Egyptian statues always wore clothes. This is because the Greeks thought that men's bodies were sacred and that the gods liked to see them. But their statues of women wore clothes. http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/art/sculpture/archaic.htm The source was geared towards Kids but still good basic info...
Until as recently as 2006, when shell beads dating back 75,000 years were found in the African and Near Eastern desert, the invention of personal ornaments was thought to be a European thing originating around the time of the colonisation of the continent 40,000 years ago. These new discoveries join a lock-box of new precious finds dating back way further still – some other similar items unearthed recently in Algeria, Morocco, Israel and South Africa date from as early as 110,000 years ago. http://heritage-key.com/blogs/malcolmj/bling-bling-shell-jewellery-discovered-morocco-desert-suggests-ancient-tradePosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Well we also have to keep in mind that this was not the first time or era that African art was influencing other parts of the world,for there was never a time when it stopped.
Yes, I know.
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African influence in the homes of the well to do. One thing I like about Khadffi he is one of a hand full of African leaders who wore the part no matter what you think of his politics at-least give him that.
Above living Afro-chic,while not for everyone it is an alternative to the same ol same ol..why wait untill someone one not of African decent tell you it's cool and charge you an arm and a leg before you yourself make it cool for yourself.
I once read somewhere that Kemetic chairs gave insparation to European furniture one can see the influence in the feet like the lions paw.
Caution as I am working from memory at this point but I would not be shocked as the Victorian era was full of Kemetomania.
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Not so much related to visual art but here are some west African instruments that are used internationally, some of which I used myself when I made beats a couple of years ago.
I should say that the bamboo flute is a very widespread instrument and not confined to west Africa, altough it is found there among the people of Ghana primarily.
And last but not least An entirely African orchestra with African instruments only.
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Nice music Kalonji and it's all good.. music is also the arts so post away.
The following is not to make claims of African influence on the Scottish Bagpipes but it is interesting just the same.
This photo shows a Tunisian zukra, a bagpipe typical of North Africa. The bagpipes of this region are said to be the oldest types in existance, going back some 2000-3000 years in history. It's hornpipe ancestery is quite evident, and one can see that it is in fact, a double hornpipe tied into a bag. This is a quite typical arraingement of many of the bagpipes of these regions. The chanter is of the parallel cane-tube type using two single reeds, and mounted at the ends with cowhorn bells. The black electrician's tape used to tune the notes is atypical. :-) The blowpipe seen here is a length of cane tubing, but in many cases it is made from the wingbone of a bird. www.keithmusic.com/MEastpipes.html
Actually I didn't know that bagpipes were so wide spread, as far a field as Africa, India and China..not to mention Scotland.
The banjo is a product of Africa. Africans transported to the Caribbean and Latin America were reported playing banjos in the 17th and 18th centuries, before any banjo was reported in the Americas. Africans in the US were the predominant players of this instrument until the 1840s. Originally the banjos were made out of gourds and skins. The strings numbered between three and nine, with four- and five-string banjos being popular. A distinguishing feature was one or more short drone strings sounded with the thumb. www.rhisong.com/blackbanjo/banjo.html In churches and bands all across the globe you will find the Tambourine seen here played by the God Bes Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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I personally have a smaller version of this "Ashanti Harp". The babies play it first, then an adult gives it more texture. Unfortunately it's collecting dust being I don't know how to play it.
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While some folks may not think of food as culture think again..In countries where there is a sizable African/African derived population their cuisine is felt as well,African derived populations whose ancestors were slaves had to make do and had to be creative now they didn't start from scratch because they had some African food products that followed them to the new world as well as Europe
Plants such as the Okra and the Watermelon which veteran poster Wally tract down its name all the way back to Kemet,The rice industry in the Carolina,s were accomplished by African techniques see Red White and Blue + Christian for an excellent right-up some time ago.
African American cuisine predominant in the southern United States is influenced by African styles of preparation and cooking.
African American food, known as soul food, is closely related to the cuisines of both AFRICA and the American South. African slaves brought many of their native fruits and vegetables to the Americas, including YAMS, watermelon, okra, and several varieties of beans, all of which were soon adopted into the diets of their owners. Slaves who were taken into the plantation owner’s house as cooks and household servants learned to combine their own food with their masters’ food. African American cuisine also grew out of the slaves’ resourcefulness in using the cast-off ingredients of the master’s meals. For example, they developed methods to cook parts of the pig not eaten by their owner’s family, feasting on the snout, ears, feet, tail, ribs, thighs (hocks), stomach (maw), and small intestines (which when boiled and fried are known as chitterlings, or "chitlins").
The West African diet featured starchy foods such as rice and yams, both of which became important parts of the African American diet. Although African slaves did not introduce rice into the Americas, their experience with rice cultivation in Africa helped make possible large-scale rice production in the Carolinas and the Gulf Coast states. Using both African and American cooking methods, African American slaves roasted, boiled, fried, and baked native yams and sweet potatoes. Sweet potato pie continues to be a popular Southern dessert.
Beans were a major component of the African diet and were brought to the Americas by slaves. As in Africa, these bean varieties, including black-eyed peas, lima beans, and kidney beans, were typically simmered and flavored with a piece of meat. Another popular African import, the okra plant, was usually fried or boiled and is a principal ingredient in gumbo, a spicy Cajun dish that is associated with Louisiana’s Creole culture but has its roots in seventeenth-century Africa.
Chicken, fish, and goat constituted important sources of protein for West Africans. While Africans usually cooked these meats in stews or over flames, many slaves in America adopted the European practice of frying meat, which best prevented it from spoiling on road trips. Fried chicken was developed in the South during the nineteenth century and quickly became popular throughout the United States. In addition to chicken, the meats most widely consumed by African American slaves were pork, opossum, and raccoon.
In the eastern colonies the mingling of Native American, Anglo, and African cultures produced a hybrid cuisine that included, among other things, barbecue. Many of the Africans who came to colonial South Carolina arrived from the WEST INDIES, where, as linguistic evidence suggests, barbecue originated (barbacoa). Thus, enslaved Africans may have learned some culinary techniques, including barbecue, from West Indies. When cooking over a fire, American slaves began to baste their meats with sauce instead of serving the sauce on the side, as had been the practice in Africa. Regional differences in livestock availability caused "barbecue" to mean pork in the eastern United States and beef in the western United States.
The West African tradition of cooking all edible parts of plants and animals helped the slaves to survive in the United States. Although Europeans occasionally ate the leaves of plants, slaves often prepared the leaves of plants, especially collards, by simmering them in oil, peppers, and spices. They also creatively processed and cooked corn, the food most often made available to them by their owners. From corn, slaves made corn bread, grits (bleached and hulled corn kernels), hoecakes (cornmeal cooked on the blade of a hoe over a flame), and hush puppies (deep-fried cornmeal with onions and spices).
In spite of emancipation, urbanization, and migration to the cities of the North, African Americans have preserved their foods and cooking methods. In the twentieth century, African American foods have been produced for the mass market, and many celebrated soul food restaurants have opened, most notably Sylvia’s in HARLEM, NEW YORK CITY. Today, African American cuisine is heavily influenced by Caribbean and South American cooking, including dishes such as Jamaican jerk chicken and fried plantains, and bean dishes such as Puerto Rican habichuelas and Brazilian feijoada. http://www.sallybernstein.com/food/cuisines/african_american.htm Last two above is from my kitchen Okra and okra with rice and beans with saltfish/codfish or Bacalou as the ma latin peeps would say. if one hails from the Caribbean whether latin or Anglo one would recognize this I personally prefer the fried ripe Plantians to the right. Jerk Chicken and Coffee not necessarily together but the Coffee beans is ultimately an Ethiopian original. Here is a short list of crops from Africa that is common in the old and new world. Coffee Okra yam Sesame Watermelon
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Gaul and Kalonji check out these kemetian string instruments hand clapping and rhythmic dancing
Music in Ancient Egypt
Although music existed in prehistoric Egypt, the evidence for it becomes secure only in the historical (or "dynastic" or "pharaonic") period--after 3100 BCE. Music formed an important part of Egyptian life, and musicians occupied a variety of positions in Egyptian society. Music found its way into many contexts in Egypt: temples, palaces, workshops, farms, battlefields and the tomb. Music was an integral part of religious worship in ancient Egypt, so it is not surprising that there were gods specifically associated with music, such as Hathor and Bes (both were also associated with dance, fertility and childbirth).
All the major categories of musical instruments (percussion, wind, stringed) were represented in pharaonic Egypt. Percussion instruments included hand-held drums, rattles, castanets, bells, and the sistrum--a highly important rattle used in religious worship. Hand clapping too was used as a rhythmic accompaniment. Wind instruments included flutes (double and single, with reeds and without) and trumpets. Stringed instruments included harps, lyres, and lutes--plucked rather than bowed. Instruments were frequently inscribed with the name of the owner and decorated with representations of the goddess (Hathor) or god (Bes) of music. Both male and female voices were also frequently used in Egyptian music.
Professional musicians existed on a number of social levels in ancient Egypt. Perhaps the highest status belonged to temple musicians; the office of "musician" (shemayet) to a particular god or goddess was a position of high status frequently held by women. Musicians connected with the royal household were held in high esteem, as were certain gifted singers and harp players. Somewhat lower on the social scale were musicians who acted as entertainers for parties and festivals, frequently accompanied by dancers. Informal singing is suggested by scenes of workers in action; captions to many of these pictures have been interpreted as words of songs. Otherwise there is little evidence for the amateur musician in pharaonic Egypt, and it is unlikely that musical achievement was seen as a desirable goal for individuals who were not professionals.
The ancient Egyptians did not notate their music before the Graeco-Roman period, so attempts to reconstruct pharaonic music remain speculative. Representational evidence can give a general idea of the sound of Egyptian music. Ritual temple music was largely a matter of the rattling of the sistrum, accompanied by voice, sometimes with harp and/or percussion. Party/festival scenes show ensembles of instruments (lyres, lutes, double and single reed flutes, clappers, drums) and the presence (or absence) of singers in a variety of situations. www.umich.edu/.../AncientEgypt/AncientEgypt.html
Copoeria deadly dance * Capoeira is originally from Angolan and Nigerian traditions * The Portuguese arrived in Brazil in 1510 and brought Africans as slaves to work on the sugar plantations * More than two million slaves were brought to Brazil from Africa * The African slaves developed Capoeira as a style of fighting and self defence (like a martial art) but disguised as dance * Capoeira allowed slaved to celebrate their culture using percussion instruments and songs * Some slaves escaped and over time hidden communities called quilombos grow up such as in Palmares where the first forms of Capoeira were developed * The Brazil government felt Capoeira was a threat and banned it until 1930 * The first Capoeira school opened in 1937 * 1974 the first Capoeira federation was created, they now exist all over the world
How Capoeira is played
Brazilians call Capoeira a game. Capoeira is "played" inside a circle called the Roda. Music is played, and everyone sings and claps while two players interact in the centre. The leading instrument is a berimbau. Also played is a drum called an atabaque and a pandeiro (tambourine). A berimbau is a one stringed, bow shaped instrument with a gourd attached to one end to give resonance. www.betterbytheyear.org/slavery/capoeira.htm I do not know to what extent Copoeria influence break dancing if it ever did but like the music and the fashion and the art that accompanied it.. is now a global phenomenon. Artist Keith Haring.
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Gaul.. Again not off topic for the influence is on going remember, what is now known as Rock,HipHop,Blues,Jazz..came out of African American Church spirituals which in turn came out of songs and music sang in the plantation fields,which in turn came out of African work songs sang while working..It most definitely goes to the African origins of Modern Art..for all of the above is now global.
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Good thread, of course its making me crave Jamaican food, nevertheless, Africans have had a huge influence on all aspects of the Arts, visual arts as well as the performing arts. Even if it only originated in modern times by Africans in diaspora, one can't help but notice the impact of our music and style across the globe, hip-hop being the most recent phenomena, as it encompass an entire sub-culture of not only music, but dancing, and fashion as well. While on the other spectrum, Honkey Tonk music/dance has barely moved out of the South.
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Brada posting your food above, made me think about how many White people LOVE the soul-food restaurants of Atlanta. They also love Jamaican and other Carribean foods as well, but for some reason, several Chinese people are beginning to open up Jamaican restaurants here.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Every now and then a troll or two try an attempt at ridicule of African art, denoting what they considered it's primitiveness. but alas the poor fools don't even realize that far from being primitive African Art like music,hair styles..see (Djheut's Bo Derrick)..permeates the so called modern world from paintings to architecture.
So this thread is a shoutout to the ancient African origins of modern Art.
African art has played an important role in the culture and history of the world. It's distinctive characteristics and inspirations have influenced many artists to adapt their own interpretation of the art in their own time period. Characteristics of African art had made its way into many paintings in the Cubist period, among others. If one examines the European avant-garde artistic movement of cubism, founded mainly by Pablo Picasso, they can find many themes adapted from African art.
Cubism is the most influential movement in the history of modern art. It is a complex movement, including not only painters and sculptors, but also musicians and poets. The Cubists introduced entirely new approaches to interpreting form and space. Cubism began in France, where it flourished as a movement between 1907 and 1914. It was headed by the work of Pablo Picasso and Georges Braque.
Characteristics of the first phase of Cubism, usually called Analytic Cubism, were the simplification, distortion and emphasis of the forms of objects. Cubism was a reaction again set the formlessness of Impressionism, but the development of Cubism got many ideas from post-Impressionism. Following the trend of the nineteenth-century transcendentalism, the artists believed that "true reality lay in the essential idea and not in its reflection in the material world" (Colliers 546). The role of the artist was to create symbolic forms for the essence of ideas, rather than initiate the short-lived appearance of things. This attitude led to paintings based on the expressive abilities of the artist, and the idea of creating expressive art, like music, that didn't depend completely on the world in actuality. This began as experimentation with color and lines, but experimentation with form would later develop. A typical Cubist painting analyzes the subject in basic geometric shapes and elementary signs. By rearranging these elements and not mimicking object in nature directly, the Cubists developed a new manner of representation. Many Cubist paintings and sculptures are still lifes that represent such common objects as tabletops, musical instruments, bottles, etc. Cubists were often impressed by everyday subjects such as advertisements, cartoons, and songs. Some artists included numbers and parts of words in their paintings. In addition, many of the cubists were strongly influenced by the formal simplification and expressive power of black African sculpture. The second phase of Cubism, Hermetic Cubism, was marked by the disappearance of the representation of objects and a slow phase-out of the separation of form and space. A characteristic of paintings in this phase was the appearance of "an iridescence which was caused by the use in the picture of transparent overlapping planes whose position in space was ambiguous" (Colliers 547). These characteristics began to appear in Picasso's works in 1910.
The third phase of Cubism is Synthetic Cubism. It marked a major change in the artistic point of view of the movement. Synthetic Cubists wanted to improve reality with the creation of new tasteful objects. Many works of this period consisted of cutout shapes of canvas in many colors pasted on the main canvas. Though cubism faded out as an active movement in the 1920's, it's influence on modern art has been deep.
One of the first main developments of Cubism was experimenting with the forms of Paul Cezanne's painting. Although this influence is not completely apparent, Pablo Picasso's Portrait of Gertrude Stein showed in an interest in Cezanne's style. Cubism was in its nascent phase, and after Picasso's return from Spain with his first cubist landscapes in his hand, a long struggle began. Cubism began with landscapes, but Picasso quickly began to use the style to portray people. Picasso always knew "people were the only interesting thing to him." (Christian Science Monitor 1).
Picasso painted a number of landscapes without any figures in them. Picasso then experimented further with the complex interlocking and overlapping of forms. He continued to experiment and lead the Cubist movement along with Georges Braque. His most acclaimed works of this period were at the point when he "mastered" the Cubist techniques in his numerous interpretations of both male and female characters. During this period, Picasso's works began to shift slightly in appearance and theme. His characters had oddly shaped faces, looking similar to masks. Their masklike faces reflected his interest in Iberian and African sculpture. Picasso was interested in African art, as were many other artists of the time. His interest in these pieces began to appear in his work. The colors of Picasso's palette were "earth tones" and natural colors, typical of African sculture. Picasso also painted wild animals such as bulls and horned creatures, similar to those found in the African range. His interest in African sculpture was directly seen in his sculpture representative of African characters traditionally made of wood and other materials. This interest in African art can be seen in one of Picasso's most famous paintings, Les Demoiselles de Avignon, where some of the women in the painting appear to be wearing masks.
African art has influenced many artistic movements throughout history. Even the founder of the Cubist movement was heavily influenced by this aesthetically different cultural form of expression. Picasso allowed himself to create yet another movement within the Cubist movement in which African culture and art can be greatly appreciated. http://cghs.dadeschools.net/african-american/twentieth_century/cubism.htm
Damn Brada, you beat me to the punch. Well on this part above at least. Cubism is just one of 3 popular paint styles which European artists have adopted and all 3 are in fact very ancient styles that can be seen in Saharan art. I'll try to explain more once I gathered the sources needed.
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quote:Brada posting your food above, made me think about how many White people LOVE the soul-food restaurants of Atlanta. They also love Jamaican and other Carribean foods as well, but for some reason, several Chinese people are beginning to open up Jamaican restaurants here.
Hi homeylu the Chinese are most likely Jamaicans,Jamaica had a large influx of Chinese,Indian and Syrio/Lebanese to take the place of Africans in the Cane fields after liberation, in conditions every bit as brutal without the title slaves attached to them..consequently they bagan to mix with the African population adding their own flavor to things..a China Town never really developed you will be surprised at the number of perfectly looking black folks with names like Chin,Li etc. Rootsman Earl Chin who had a radio show in NYC when I was a teen. Byron Lee a pioneer in Caribbean music pre-reggae called Soca still popular especially in Trinidad and Chin Randy big influence in the recording industry in Jamaica Micheal lee Chin...Billionaire banker^ one of the richest men in Canada not to mention Jamaica.
Naomi Campbell, Grace Jones and Sean Paul..actually one of ma peeps and fellow New Yorker and Caribbeanite partner in non crimes from Dominica Rep. is bringing Sean Paul to Fukouka in a couple o weeks.
Homelyu next time you visit their resturant see if you can detect any Jamaican accent,and even if not they could be very well be second generarion Jamericans,the fact that they are following the general migration of Jamaicans from the Tri State area along with other AAs to Atlanta,may bare this out.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Last two above is from my kitchen Okra and okra with rice and beans with saltfish/codfish or Bacalou as the ma latin peeps would say. if one hails from the Caribbean whether latin or Anglo one would recognize this I personally prefer the fried ripe Plantians to the right.
Good God! I haven't eaten Caribbean food for damn near 6 months... WHY THE HELL would you torture me with such images!
Lord help me... I'm gonna be dreaming about Jerk Chicken, rice and peas for days now! Goddamn you Brada....
quote:Good God! I haven't eaten Caribbean food for damn near 6 months... WHY THE HELL would you torture me with such images! [Eek!] Lord help me... I'm gonna be dreaming about Jerk Chicken, rice and peas for days now! Goddamn you Brada.... BTW, excellent thread!
thanks^..you too Lion!! well isn't about time you run down to your local Caribbean resturant?..
Well I created this thread as a rebuttal to a spite of recent troll threads whose intent was to demean African contributions..but I have always stated that focusing on culture is perhaps more effective than focusing on a non scientific concept called "race"..as deniers of African achievements has not a thing to fall back on when one produce these facts. But race is one mans black is another mans brown is another mans tan= white and the game playing never ends.
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For you MelaninKing Callaloo is like the Jamaican version of spinach Just to keep you folks hungry.. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: bump for TruthAndRights
Yuh dun know seh yuh cyan torture mi belly wid yuh goodup pictas dem enuh Brada cah fimi kitchen is right dung di stairs
serious ting doah, give thanks for this thread but...wey it did deh when mi ah look fe appropriate thread fe put mi latest post in, rather than heresuh wey mi put it:
True mi vex seh mi neva see this thread before, lol.
If I can find these African art pictures again, may I post them ina this thread?
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* Oral Literature (Anansi, Br'er Rabbit, Epic of Old Mali/Sundiata, etc)
^The list is growing.
Yup African culture while some like to deride it can never the less live without it. some people can take it change the name of it rework it and called it their own but it's our job to keep tract of it and remind folks should they become forgetful of it.
TruthAndRights yes mi a get you back fi di sugar cane taunt.. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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* Oral Literature (Anansi, Br'er Rabbit, Epic of Old Mali/Sundiata, etc)
^The list is growing.
Yup African culture while some like to deride it can never the less live without it. some people can take it change the name of it rework it and called it their own but it's our job to keep tract of it and remind folks should they become forgetful of it.
TruthAndRights yes mi a get you back fi di sugar cane taunt..
You misoverstood wha mi ah seh tuh yuh enuh...
mi seh, yuh can torture di oddas wid yuh goodup pictas dem...but memba seh mi is ah Jamaican ooman wid fimi kitchen right dung di stairs...suh yuh dun know seh fimi belly cyan dead fram hungry fe dem tings deh...
no sah...mi neva did ah taunt yuh wid di nice sugar cane wha mi did have....mi really did ah wonda if yuh have it dehsuh... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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cool topic,brada the Scots were black. ________________________________ Carnival also comes from Egypt. Eurocentric try steal to Victorian europe _______________________________________ About Banjo
Often, when many people think or hear country music, they think of it as a creation of European-Americans. However, a great deal of style—and of course, the banjo, a major instrument in most early American folk songs—came from African Americans. One of the reasons country music was created by African-Americans, as well as European-Americans, is because blacks and whites in rural communities in the south often worked and played together, just as recollected by
DeFord Bailey
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: T&R since mi eye deh a mi knees..
sarry fe yuh....cah ah dat mi did have fe mi likkle midnight snack las night...mi love it bad yuh see Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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