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excerpts of a speech attributed to qadhafi in kano,nigeria .translation found in Tariq Berry's book "unknown arabs" (Tariq Berry's ES name: awlaadberry)
ان اجدادكم عرب اتو من اليمن منذ اكثر من خمسة آلاف سنة الى هذه البقاع ، العرب هم الذين وصلوا الى افريقيا وهم الذين استوطنوا افريقيا وهم الذين سموا (قانا) التي يسمونها (غانا) . (قانا) هذه جنة هذه كلمة عربية . لانها جنة (وغينية) جنينة جنة صغيرة والعرب هم الذين اطلقوا هذه التسميات ، وصلوا الى المحيط الاطلسي ، واستوطنوا هذه الديار ، اصلكم عرب وأهلكم عرب وانتم قبائل عربية .
القبائل اليمنية التي هي موجودة الآن على خط الاستواء . إن قبائل الهوسا هي قبائل (الحاسة) الموجودة في ليبيا وفي النيجر وفي نيجيريا وفي افريقيا ، وان لغة الهوسا هي لغة عربية قديمة ، وأن اللغة السواحلية هي لغة عربية ، وان قبائل الفولاني هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل يورب اى اوروبا بمعنى عروبة هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل التبو وقبائل القرعان عربية ، والزغاوة عربية ، والتوارق عربية ، وكل هذه القبائل التي تسكن من جنوب الجزيرة العربية الى المحيط الاطلسي في الصحراء هذه كلها قبائل عربية وامريكا تعرف هذا . ان المؤرخون الغربيين يعرفون هذا وبالتالي يريدون تدمير الجنس العربي والعنصر العربي . ان الذي يشن الآن هو حرب بالاضافة الى انها صليبية هي حرب عنصرية عرقية ضد العنصر . ضد العرق العربي ، ضد السامية لان العرب هم الساميون
Your forefathers were Arabs from Yemen who settled here over five thousand years ago. The Arabs arrived in Africa, settled in Africa and gave the name of jana to what today is called Ghana. Jana, an arabic word, means a small paradise. The Arabs gave all the names you hear when they reached the atlantic Ocean. Your origins are Arab and so are your kith and kin.
You are the Yemeni tribes residing now on the equator. The hausa tribe is the hausa tribe you find in libya, in niger, and in nigeria. The hausa language is an ancient arabic language as is swahili.
The fulani is an Arab tribe and so is the yoruba, or euroba meaning arabism,the tibbu and kor’raan is an arab tribe, the zaghawa is an Arab tribe and the tuareq.
All the tribes inhabiting the sahara from the south of the Arabian peninsula to the atlantic are Arab and America knows this, the western historians knows this and that is why they wish to annihilate these people.
The war being waged at the present is not only a crusade but also a racist ethnic war against Arab ethnicity, against semites because Arabs are semitic.
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the Fulani, the Yoruba, the Tauregs, the Ghana are all Arabs from 5,000 years ago, so I guess the Area of West Africa was uninhabited prior to that..???
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: excerpts of a speech attributed to qadhafi in kano,nigeria .translation found in Tariq Berry's book "unknown arabs" (Tariq Berry's ES name: awlaadberry)
ان اجدادكم عرب اتو من اليمن منذ اكثر من خمسة آلاف سنة الى هذه البقاع ، العرب هم الذين وصلوا الى افريقيا وهم الذين استوطنوا افريقيا وهم الذين سموا (قانا) التي يسمونها (غانا) . (قانا) هذه جنة هذه كلمة عربية . لانها جنة (وغينية) جنينة جنة صغيرة والعرب هم الذين اطلقوا هذه التسميات ، وصلوا الى المحيط الاطلسي ، واستوطنوا هذه الديار ، اصلكم عرب وأهلكم عرب وانتم قبائل عربية .
القبائل اليمنية التي هي موجودة الآن على خط الاستواء . إن قبائل الهوسا هي قبائل (الحاسة) الموجودة في ليبيا وفي النيجر وفي نيجيريا وفي افريقيا ، وان لغة الهوسا هي لغة عربية قديمة ، وأن اللغة السواحلية هي لغة عربية ، وان قبائل الفولاني هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل يورب اى اوروبا بمعنى عروبة هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل التبو وقبائل القرعان عربية ، والزغاوة عربية ، والتوارق عربية ، وكل هذه القبائل التي تسكن من جنوب الجزيرة العربية الى المحيط الاطلسي في الصحراء هذه كلها قبائل عربية وامريكا تعرف هذا . ان المؤرخون الغربيين يعرفون هذا وبالتالي يريدون تدمير الجنس العربي والعنصر العربي . ان الذي يشن الآن هو حرب بالاضافة الى انها صليبية هي حرب عنصرية عرقية ضد العنصر . ضد العرق العربي ، ضد السامية لان العرب هم الساميون
Your forefathers were Arabs from Yemen who settled here over five thousand years ago. The Arabs arrived in Africa, settled in Africa and gave the name of jana to what today is called Ghana. Jana, an arabic word, means a small paradise. The Arabs gave all the names you hear when they reached the atlantic Ocean. Your origins are Arab and so are your kith and kin.
You are the Yemeni tribes residing now on the equator. The hausa tribe is the hausa tribe you find in libya, in niger, and in nigeria. The hausa language is an ancient arabic language as is swahili.
The fulani is an Arab tribe and so is the yoruba, or euroba meaning arabism,the tibbu and kor’raan is an arab tribe, the zaghawa is an Arab tribe and the tuareq.
All the tribes inhabiting the sahara from the south of the Arabian peninsula to the atlantic are Arab and America knows this, the western historians knows this and that is why they wish to annihilate these people.
The war being waged at the present is not only a crusade but also a racist ethnic war against Arab ethnicity, against semites because Arabs are semitic.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: excerpts of a speech attributed to qadhafi in kano,nigeria .translation found in Tariq Berry's book "unknown arabs" (Tariq Berry's ES name: awlaadberry)
ان اجدادكم عرب اتو من اليمن منذ اكثر من خمسة آلاف سنة الى هذه البقاع ، العرب هم الذين وصلوا الى افريقيا وهم الذين استوطنوا افريقيا وهم الذين سموا (قانا) التي يسمونها (غانا) . (قانا) هذه جنة هذه كلمة عربية . لانها جنة (وغينية) جنينة جنة صغيرة والعرب هم الذين اطلقوا هذه التسميات ، وصلوا الى المحيط الاطلسي ، واستوطنوا هذه الديار ، اصلكم عرب وأهلكم عرب وانتم قبائل عربية .
القبائل اليمنية التي هي موجودة الآن على خط الاستواء . إن قبائل الهوسا هي قبائل (الحاسة) الموجودة في ليبيا وفي النيجر وفي نيجيريا وفي افريقيا ، وان لغة الهوسا هي لغة عربية قديمة ، وأن اللغة السواحلية هي لغة عربية ، وان قبائل الفولاني هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل يورب اى اوروبا بمعنى عروبة هي قبائل عربية ، وان قبائل التبو وقبائل القرعان عربية ، والزغاوة عربية ، والتوارق عربية ، وكل هذه القبائل التي تسكن من جنوب الجزيرة العربية الى المحيط الاطلسي في الصحراء هذه كلها قبائل عربية وامريكا تعرف هذا . ان المؤرخون الغربيين يعرفون هذا وبالتالي يريدون تدمير الجنس العربي والعنصر العربي . ان الذي يشن الآن هو حرب بالاضافة الى انها صليبية هي حرب عنصرية عرقية ضد العنصر . ضد العرق العربي ، ضد السامية لان العرب هم الساميون
Your forefathers were Arabs from Yemen who settled here over five thousand years ago. The Arabs arrived in Africa, settled in Africa and gave the name of jana to what today is called Ghana. Jana, an arabic word, means a small paradise. The Arabs gave all the names you hear when they reached the atlantic Ocean. Your origins are Arab and so are your kith and kin.
You are the Yemeni tribes residing now on the equator. The hausa tribe is the hausa tribe you find in libya, in niger, and in nigeria. The hausa language is an ancient arabic language as is swahili.
The fulani is an Arab tribe and so is the yoruba, or euroba meaning arabism,the tibbu and kor’raan is an arab tribe, the zaghawa is an Arab tribe and the tuareq.
All the tribes inhabiting the sahara from the south of the Arabian peninsula to the atlantic are Arab and America knows this, the western historians knows this and that is why they wish to annihilate these people.
The war being waged at the present is not only a crusade but also a racist ethnic war against Arab ethnicity, against semites because Arabs are semitic.
Sadly, many Black Africans are willing, if not happy to be associated with something other than Negro/Black.
There is a group of Black Africans that claim to be Persians somewhere in East Africa.
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^ Stranger still are Afrangi Egyptians of obvious foreign descent who are willing and happy to claim the pharaohs and pyramid builders as their ancestors yet at the same time hate the very black/"negro" identity of these ancient people. Posts: 26322 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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The hausa language is an ancient arabic language as is swahili.
awlaadberry or whomever wrote those lines, is a true crackpot, or less, knows too little about what he/she speaks to be writing anywhere. Hausa is part of the Chadic family.
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Chadic is its own sub-phylum, independent from Semitic.
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^ Yes, but Ironlion is just as delusional as Clyde or Mike. The Afrasian language phylum as 6 subdivisions-- Egyptic, Berber, Chadic, Cushitic, Omotic, and Semitic. Semitic is the only subdivision with native speakers outside of Africa.
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: awlaadberry or whomever wrote those lines, is a true crackpot, or less, knows too little about what he/she speaks to be writing anywhere. Hausa is part of the Chadic family.
I believe it was Qahdafi himself if not a speech writer of his. Qahdafi is nothing more than a victim of Arabization who wants to Arabize the rest of Africa.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, but Ironlion is just as delusional as Clyde or Mike. The Afrasian language phylum as 6 subdivisions-- Egyptic, Berber, Chadic, Cushitic, Omotic, and Semitic. Semitic is the only subdivision with native speakers outside of Africa.
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: awlaadberry or whomever wrote those lines, is a true crackpot, or less, knows too little about what he/she speaks to be writing anywhere. Hausa is part of the Chadic family.
I believe it was Qahdafi himself if not a speech writer of his. Qahdafi is nothing more than a victim of Arabization who wants to Arabize the rest of Africa.
There are Hausa speakers in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Oman.
There is a big community of Hausas in Egypt, Morrocco and Saudi Arabia.
Hausa is spoken also westward from Nigeria to Senegal, including Mali, Guinea, Niger, Ghana, Togo, Senegal, Mauritania, Algeria, and Libya.
Hausa is a pan African language. But it also goes beyond Africa. It is spoken in Arabia even today.
BTW Jehuti, what is "Egyptic"? Are you speaking Egyptic now?
For your information, Egyptic was the old Hausa language. Even today, there are too many similarities between Berber, Coptic and Hausa for anyone to miss.
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: Chadic is its own sub-phylum, independent from Semitic.
So says the old theory. But the more you think about it the more you come to see that infact, they share the same roots.
Southern Nigerians accuse the hausas of being totally "Arabized".
This simply understates the Semitic leanings of the Hausa material culture and language. It is marked by its extensive use of semitic pre-fix El, as well as sentence structures similar to semitic.
Hausa and Semitic languages like Arabic and hebrew share a lot of common words the most famous example being the word Allah, which mean the creator in Hausa...
There are too many similarities between Arabic and Hausa that most people who speak Hausa can make an easy transition to learning Arabic.
Someone has described it as the relationship between Spanish and Romanian language. Both Romance.
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Is there a new theory that suggests differently from what I said. If so, cite the sources. I don't contest the understanding that they share a root, or that it is related to the Semitic branch. In fact, it is related to all Afrasan language families. However, the language phylogenetic set up that I'm aware of, places Chadic into its own branch within the Afrasan family. I'd be open to examining some new phylogenetic setup that places the Chadic family under Semitic instead of its own.
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"In 1844, Theodor Benfey suggested a language family consisting of Semitic, Berber, and Cushitic (calling the latter "Ethiopic"). In the same year, T.N. Newman suggested a relationship between Semitic and Hausa , but this would long remain a topic of dispute and uncertainty."
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"Marcel Cohen (1924) rejected the idea of a distinct Hamitic subgroup and included Hausa (a Chadic language) in his comparative Hamito-Semitic vocabulary..."
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The Moorish Refugees of the Hausa City-States of present-day Nigeria
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Jide Uwechia
The Moors ruled on the Iberian kingdom of Granada, as the last Moorish kingdom in Spain until the 2nd of January in 1492 when they were conquered by the armies of Ferdinand and Isabelle.
The years after the Christian conquest of Granada were filled with acts of outrage such as murder, rape, enslvaement and imprisonment against the Moors of Africa. The acts of outrage grew as the christians consolidated their conquest. In 1499, the bishop Cisneros demanded that all Moors should be baptized into the popish crusader legion of Rome if they were to live as free citizens.
Later the Moors were harrased with with heavy taxes and other impositions. Moorish culture and languages were barred except for the pidgin latin which is now called Spanish.
In 1568 due to the suppression the Moors still living in the town rebeled against the Spaniards but they were defeated, mercilessly massacared and the remnant were deported to the Island of Jamaica, and Hispaniola (Haiti), Florida, and Cuba where they called them the Maroons.
The ones who could escape fled either to the continent of the Americas, or to the coast of Guinea where a Moorish culture thrived and was known as “Criole”. The Moors lived and traded all over Guinea Bissua, Cape Verde, Porto-Novo, Fernanda-Po, Escarvos, Lagos.
Many others headed across the straits to North Africa. From there they headed across the Sahara into the relative safety of the African based Moorish kingdoms and Empires such as Kanem-Bornu, Mali.
North African Political Theatre
Just as the 12 century offensive launched by a sicilian norman prince brought about a response from the almoravids, so the 16th century expansion of the Spanish brought the Ottomans to North Africa.
The Christians crusaders continued their pursuit of the Moors across the straits of Gibraltar. They were anxious about the impact that the refugee Moors would bring into North Africa. They needed to ensure that the Moors would not be planning any counter attacks to retake their lost possessions in Iberia. So the crusaders continued their attacks following their conquest of Greneda in 1492 and occupied the North African coastline.
The Christians enchroachments occured in a pincer movement. Led by the Spanish, the Neapolitans, the Portugese, the Knights of Malta, and the Knights of St John.
In 1505 a succession of the main ports of North Africa fell into Christian hands, including Bougie and Tripoli both in 1510. Tripoli was given to the Knights of the St Johns. Towns which had not been conquered were awed into payment of tribute.
The Moorish refugees were mercilessly hunted. With their wealth and their sophistication and influence, they were quite visible. Haunted by this seemiingly relentless ill fate, the hunted moorish jews and muslim refugees headed down south.
Maghrib To Nigeria
From Tripoli to the Kanem Bornu Empire, which controlled the territories now known as Nigeria, Niger, and Chad, it was about a months walk and two weeks worth of camels’ ride. In the winter times, many mystics walk this path alone by themselves all the way from Nigeria to Libya hoping between Oasis.
Similarly, from Sijilmasa in Morocco to Oudagoust in Mauretania, is a six week journey by camel ride. There are oasis in between the desert route and for millenia it has been known as one of the major tran-saharan highways. It was a route of demographic, cultural and commercial exchange.
The Moorish refugees knew that beyond the desert, in the deep embrace of mother Africa, was a Moorish state known as Kanem Bornu Kingdom which could possibly offer them some safety and dignity if they were ever such things in creation.....
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Well yeah, I've already acknowledged that there is a relationship between the Chadic family and Semitic. I just don't acknowledge that Chadic and Semitic are of a single indistinguishable branch, instead of separate but related branches.
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quote:Sadly, many Black Africans are willing, if not happy to be associated with something other than Negro/Black.
quote:^ Stranger still are Afrangi Egyptians of obvious foreign descent who are willing and happy to claim the pharaohs and pyramid builders as their ancestors yet at the same time hate the very black/"negro" identity of these ancient people
quote:The word Negro is used in the English-speaking world to refer to a person of black ancestry or appearance, whether of African descent or not, prior to the shift in the lexicon of American and worldwide classification of race and ethnicity in the late 1960s.[clarification needed Who performed this global reclassification? Detail needed to clarify meaning.] The word "negro" means "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, from the Latin niger ("black") and Greek Νέγρος Négros ("black").
The usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the Civil Rights movement. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as 'Negro' in his famous speech I Have a Dream.
During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some African-American leaders in the United States objected to the word, preferring Black,[1] because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.
The term "Negro" is now widely considered to be obsolete,[citation needed][clarification needed USA only, or ...?] and it is not commonly used. It is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund.[2][3] and the Negro league in sports.
Modern language uses: Black; additionally, Black African for people native to the African continent, and African American for people in U.S.A..
"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology, at a time when "black" was more offensive.[4]
The United States Census Bureau announced that Negro would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American," because some older Black Americans nevertheless self-identify with the term.[5][6][7]
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I can't imagine what "grown up" has time to sit at the computer just to spend time clowning around at discussion boards. How meaningless does one's life have to be, to get that low in life? LOL
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Yes. The forefathers of the people that Gaddafi mentioned are Arabs whether you like it or not. The Fulani are Arab descendants of Uqba - as their forefathers have said for centuries - whether you like it or not. The Hausa are Arabs from Baghdad - as their ancestors have said for centuries - whether you like it or not and their language is related to the semitic language whether you like it or not. Like Gaddafi said in his speech, the Zaghawa and Tibbu are of Arab origin - whether you like it or not. Fast forward this to 4:30, watch it, and see how geneticist Spencer Wells confirms what Gaddafi says about the Arab origin of the Tibbu/Zaghawa. The Tuaregs are Arabs from the Yemen whether you like it or not. Here's what they have said to you about their origin:
The Tuaregs Reject the Claims of the World Amazigh (Berber) Congress
We, at the website Rif Today, received a letter from Mr. Mansour Mohamed Ali Ag Hudyata as President of an association in Mali called The Northern Youth of Mali Association. The letter rejects the claims of the World Amazigh (Berber) Congress that the Tuareg people are Berbers. The following is the text of the letter as we received it:
Indeed the Northern Youth of Mali Association strongly rejects the lies that the World Amazigh (Berber) Congress is spreading through the media that the Tuaregs of Mali and Niger belong to the Amazigh (Berber) people. The Northern Youth of Mali Association confirms that these claims are lies which have no scientific basis and that Mr. Belqasim Lonis, who specializes in chemistry, has no background in history in order to prove the truth of this myth. Indeed all of the reliable history books confirm that the Tuareg are of Arab origin and that the Tuareg alphabet are related to Arabic writing and this is the Tuareg origin that has been known since time immemorial. We consider those false tales about the origin of the Tuareg meddling in the affairs of the Tuareg by clients working for others with connections with suspicious groups.
Consequently, we affirm strongly that we will not allow the hired World Amazigh (Berber) Congress, whom we have no connections with, to meddle in our affairs and to speak about our origin. And we confirm that we, the Tuareg people of Kidal, Gao, and Timbuktu, are proud of our nations (Mali and Niger) that we belong to and we are proud of our upright religion - Islam. And we declare that our goal is to attain security, stability, peace, and progress in the great Sahara for the happiness of our people and for all tribes of the great Sahara to live in harmony. This is the position of every Tuareg who struggles at all places and all times to achieve these goals.
Did you hear what he said about not meddling in the affairs of the Tuareg by making false claims about their origin?
The Tuaregs
The Tuaregs are nomadic people and desert dwellers. The Tuareg are either Messufa, Lamtuna, or Judaala, who traced their ancestry back to the Sanhaja. The Sanhaja traced their lineage back to the Himyar who are people of Southern Arabia. They, however, lived among the Berbers before crossing the Sahara and settling in West Africa. They are the founders of the city of Timbuktu. They contributed scholarly and commercially to the legacy of Timbuktu. Today, the Tuareg live in Mali and Niger.
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awlaadberry is the Clyde Winters of the Arab world.
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quote:Originally posted by Mau: many Black Africans are willing, if not happy to be associated with something other than Negro/Black.
Dumbly, there is a psychological tendency for derfs on the net and older anthropologists to insinuate complete isolation between inner Africa and "the near east" near to the West.
quote:There is a group of Black Africans that claim to be Persians somewhere in East Africa.
And? It's not as if Western Europe neglects to idolized more Eastern and Mid Eastern cultures.
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awlaadberry, the original thread is from your book which says the quote is from a speech Mummar Ghadafi made in Kano Nigeria, what is the original source of the speech, is there a link you can provide? thank you
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Re Hausa as an African language. Hausa is an African language just as English and Polish are classified as Indo-European languages.
But here's the thing: Semitic has its roots in Africa. No doubt about it. Just ask Christopher Ehret and Joseph Greenberg--linguists of Africa's languages. Sure, Hausa has some loan words from Arabic but mainly words that derive from the plagiarized religious cult conjured up in some Arabian desert sand dune.
Must admit that Gaddafi is a confused man with a divided soul. What exactly has been bothering him all these years? Easy answer: he was born in Africa, the continent of the blacks--and there are many indigenous to Libya--but his Arabized culture tells him to look East to West Asia for his sense of identity. And this thing has infected a lot of Africans too. I recall watching a soccer match between Turkey and an African team[no-Muslim] and a friend[African] said he wanted Turkey to win--because Turkey is Muslim. And you have that delusional group in Northern Nigeria, Boko Haram, that claims that modern education is haram and must be driven out.
Anyway, back to Gaddafi: to solve his identity dilemma he had to either extricate himself spiritually from Africa and embrace Arabism and its nonsensical sherifism--as majority of Arabised North Africans[include Sudan] do, or in order to identify with Africans he had to extricate Africans from themselves and make them pseudo-Arabs from Arabia.
That's why they call Green Book man crazy. But a lot of Africans are crazy that way too--including those Africans who live in West and non-Muslim Africa, and identify with their genocidal masters--religion, female hair styles, education, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: awlaadberry, the original thread is from your book which says the quote is from a speech Mummar Ghadafi made in Kano Nigeria, what is the original source of the speech, is there a link you can provide? thank you
The original is in Arabic and it's a well-known speech given by Gaddafi. You mentioned part of the original speech in your thread.
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berbers did not built the city of timbuktu,it was the mande from djenne.
quote- Timbuktu was established by the nomadic Tuareg as early as the 10th century. Although Tuaregs founded Timbuktu, it was only as a seasonal settlement. Roaming the desert during the wet months, in summer they stayed near the flood plains of the Inner Niger Delta. Since the terrain directly at the water was not suitable due to mosquitoes, a well was dug a few miles from the Niger River.
Permanent settlements In the eleventh century merchants from Djenne set up the various markets and built permanent dwellings in the town, establishing the site as a meeting place for people travelling by camel. They also introduced Islam and reading, through the Qur'an. Before Islam, the population worshipped Ouagadou-Bida, a mythical water-serpent of the Niger River. With the rise of the Ghana Empire, several Trans Saharan trade routes had been established. Salt from Mediterranean Africa was traded with West-African gold and ivory, and large numbers of slaves. Halfway through the eleventh century, however, new goldmines near Bure made for an eastward shift of the trade routes. This development made Timbuktu a prosperous city where goods from camels were loaded on boats on the Niger.
During the twelfth century, the remnants of the Ghana Empire were invaded by the Sosso Empire king Soumaoro Kanté. Muslim scholars from Walata (beginning to replace Aoudaghost as trade route terminus) fled to Timbuktu and solidified the position of Islam. Timbuktu had become a centre of Islamic learning, with its Sankore University and 180 Quranic schools. In 1324 Timbuktu was peacefully annexed by king Musa I, returning from his pilgrimage to Mecca. The city now part of the Mali Empire, king Musa I ordered the construction of a royal palace and, together with his following of hundreds of Muslim scholars, built the learning centre of Djingarey Ber in 1327.
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The link labels the diverse cultures of the East as "Muslim Civilization" and tries to compare it to "European Civilization"..LOL..Subtly implying that the Christian European civilization was somehow backward but he/she wont go there because he/she knows the debt the so called "Islamic Golden Age" owes to Christian Byzantium, and Greco-Roman as well as Egyptians, Persian and Jews all of which had highly advanced culture before Islam was even born in the 7th century.
Second, the Dark ages is a myth, there were literate Monks in Ireland that preserved the Latin Texts as well as literacy starting from Charlemagne.
Rather, the Dark Ages were dominated by a brilliant Muslim civilization which, after resuscitating the study of classical science ^^^^ How can they "resuscitate" the classics when Byzantine Scholars and Alexandrian Scholars used the classics daily, Did they ask for a bunch of Barbaric Illiterate Rapist savages to come and invade in the name of a Pagan Arabian diety destroy their existing culture.
Ironically Islam was the reason for Europe's dark ages as Islamic Invasions caused Byzantium to Isolate itself from Europe and cut off the Western Empire from the East. Yet still the Classics and Latin was preserved as far as Ireland by Irish Monks etc.
The Muslim city of Baghdad in the ninth and tenth centuries became the intellectual center of the world, the environment that produced the Arabian Nights, through which the splendors of the court of Harun al-Rashid became legendary in the West.
LOL, is that it, "Bhagdad"...LOL, How pathetic Bhagdad's position as a center of learning was a bleep compared to places like Byzantium, Alexandria,(Where the scholars of Bhagdad recieved most of their Learning and Manuscripts from), can this person even name a city besides "Bhagdad" of pure Arab origin.
It was during the crusades of the twelfth century that the doctrines of the Arab interest in Greek philosophy, and the doctrines of the Sabians, were transferred to the West
Wonder if he realizes the Crusaders also went to Byzantium?? From the account clearly the Europeans were far more facinated with Byzantine Learning than anything Muslim, besides majority of the Muslim knowledge of the Greeks came from Byzantine sources and more often than not translated by Jews. Seems in his world Byzantium did not exist, nor did the Persians, Egyptians and Jews, Indians and Chinese...suddenly all of this becomes "Islamic Science"..LOL.
Another point of contact, however, between the Arabs and Europeans , was the Moorish civilization flourishing in Spain. Black North African Muslims, known as the Moors, conquered most of Spain in the eighth century, where they would remain for a period of nearly 800 years.
How Contradictory in one Breath He/She gives all the the Credit to "Arabs" in the Next the Moors are "Black North African Muslims"??? At least they acknowledge the Moors were blacks though.
Under their patronage, many distinguished scholars, scientists, and intellectuals of the Muslim world flourished. ^^^^ LOOOOL, WOW, Such Propaganda..
First off did she/he forget about the "Almoravid and Almohads"(Who preceded the Nasirids and Hence preceeding Al-Qal‘at al-Ḥamrā and the Emirate of Granada) the "True" Muslims or Moorish Spain who expelled and slaughtered Non Muslims including Jews??
Considering that the Almoravids and Almohads followed the Koran and its instructions as compared to the Nasirids, Tafia, and Cordoba Caliphate who were know to drink Alchohol, have art dipicting the Human Body and Animals(The I.E Lion's Court) etc. the Almoravids and Almohads were the True representation of Islam as compared to the later who in the modern sense were "Luke Warm" Muslims.
Also considering the debt owed to the Jews It makes sense Muslims were tolerant of them.
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Awlaadberry, Post the genetic studies to support your nonsensical claims. It would be a crying disgrace for those Africans you talk about to have any connection with such a degenerate group--i.e. Arabs. I mean it. Maybe because of close first cousin marriages or hiding women away so they cannot make their own choices has produced a people that is physically weak, intellectually very mediocre and prone to violent excitability[endemic autism?]over the most trivial things.
Let me clue you in: the J haplogroup which is the dominant Arab marker is mercifully very rare in Africa--except with the settlers who flooded in to Africa post 8th century.
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Thank you Lamin,, Preach Brother PREACH!!!!
It would be a crying disgrace for those Africans you talk about to have any connection with such a degenerate group--i.e. Arabs. ^^^^ I hope and pray to God Im not Genetically linked with any degenerate low life Arab. I hope my Genes are not diluted..Im scared to get a DNA test, the worst case scenario is Im linked to Oman or some degenarate Arabs.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: Awlaadberry, Post the genetic studies to support your nonsensical claims. It would be a crying disgrace for those Africans you talk about to have any connection with such a degenerate group--i.e. Arabs. I mean it. Maybe because of close first cousin marriages or hiding women away so they cannot make their own choices has produced a people that is physically weak, intellectually very mediocre and prone to violent excitability[endemic autism?]over the most trivial things.
Let me clue you in: the J haplogroup which is the dominant Arab marker is mercifully very rare in Africa--except with the settlers who flooded in to Africa post 8th century.
I would say that you are the degenerate one, but to be degenerate one must have once been at a high state. One who has always been low doesn't BECOME low - instead he/she simple sinks into deeper and deeper depths of lowness. Do you read me Lamin? And don't talk to me about dominant Arab markers because you don't know what the dominant Arab marker is. In fact, you don't even know what an Arab is. So don't talk to me about Arab markers. Better yet - don't talk to me at all because you are lowly.
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I hope and pray to God Im not Genetically linked with any degenerate low life Arab. I hope my Genes are not diluted..Im scared to get a DNA test, the worst case scenario is Im linked to Oman or some degenarate Arabs.
What makes you think that you might be related to the Arabs? I doubt that you have a single drop of Arab blood running through your veins, so go ahead and take any test that you want to find out who you are. However, until you find out who YOU are, you should keep your mouth shut about who other people are. Right?
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LOL, Did I ever say I had Arab Genes or did I say I hope I don't.
Good work Lamin, you brought out the true nature of the low life Arab and how he feels about Native Africans such as yourself.
Btw, we are still waiting on the DNA reports that shows Arab Markers in the Named African people you and your Brother Gaddafi claims are Arabs...Where is the proof.??
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Until someone brings me DNA from the Arabs of the 6th century or before, I don't want to hear anything about what "the Arab marker" is. Haplogroups J, R, and E are all found on the Arabian Peninsula and amongst well-known Arab tribes.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: [QB] Awlaadberry, Post the genetic studies to support your nonsensical claims.
Renowned geneticist Spencer Wells has said to you that they are of Arab origin. You don't believe him either, do you? Why are you asking for genetic studies if you don't believe what the renowned geneticists say? Again, fast-forward this to 4:30 and watch and listen and tell me if you believe what the genetic studies say:
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Arabs may have the other haplogroups you mentioned, but by far, the dominant Y-DNA clade is Hg J1. This is the characteristic "Arab" marker, if there is ever one.
As for Spencer Wells saying that all those markers that you noted are supposedly of "Arab" origin, that is a lie. And even if we assumed it wasn't a lie, which it is more than likely, then Mr. Wells needs to have his head examined for that claim.
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: [QB] Arabs may have the other haplogroups you mentioned, but by far, the dominant Y-DNA clade is Hg J1.
That doesn't make it "the Arab marker". All it says is that most of the people living in the area today who have been tested carry this marker. That's all it says.
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Arabs may have the other haplogroups you mentioned, but by far, the dominant Y-DNA clade is Hg J1.
That doesn't make it "the Arab marker". All it says is that most of the people living in the area today who have been tested carry this marker. That's all it says.
Learn to read, kid. I said it would be the marker "characteristic" of Arabs. Saying this is not one and same as saying that it is "THE Arab marker", as if it belonged to Arabs.
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Arabs may have the other haplogroups you mentioned, but by far, the dominant Y-DNA clade is Hg J1.
That doesn't make it "the Arab marker". All it says is that most of the people living in the area today who have been tested carry this marker. That's all it says.
Learn to read, kid. I said it would be the marker "characteristic" of Arabs. Saying this is not one and same as saying that it is "THE Arab marker", as if it belonged to Arabs.
Maybe I can't read, so tell me what you mean by this:
"...Hg J1. This is the characteristic "Arab" marker, if there is ever one."
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There is no maybe about it. I dumbed it down just moments ago, and it still doesn't go through your skull. That' your own problem. Take special English reading.
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: There is no maybe about it. I dumbed it down just moments ago, and it still doesn't go through your skull. That' your own problem. Take special English reading.
No. It doesn't go through my skull because nonsense doesn't enter my head and what you are saying is pure nonsense.
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Your skull is a trash container for nonsense; what are you talking about it doesn't go through that skull?!
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You should not be posting in an English forum, if you can't read simple texts that prep school kids can easily read.
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Learn English. Don't call it nonsense simply because you are too retarded to learn it. Learn the language, then come back and discuss like a civilized creature.
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: You should not be posting in an English forum, if you can't read simple texts that prep school kids can easily read.
What I can't read is your flip-flopping.
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You can't tell the difference between A, B or C. How do you suppose you know something as sophisticated [for you] as "flip-flopping"?
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