It seems that it emerged some time in the 1960s, when Vanuatu was an Anglo-French colony known as the New Hebrides.
For centuries, perhaps millennia, villagers had believed in an ancient story about the son of a mountain spirit venturing across the seas to look for a powerful woman to marry.
They believed that unlike them, this spirit had pale skin.
Somehow the legend gradually became associated with Prince Philip, who had indeed married a rich and powerful lady.
Villagers would have seen his portrait - and that of the Queen - in government outposts and police stations run by British colonial officials.
Their beliefs were bolstered in 1974, when the Queen and Prince Philip made an official visit to the New Hebrides. Here was their ancestral spirit, resplendent in a white naval officer's uniform, come back to show off his bride.
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- I;m sure the afrocentrics will be speechless. But this is not an isolated case.
- When White europeans first landed in Hawaii they were greeted as Gods.
- The Spanish were confused with the Aztec's Gods because of their white skin.
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LOL And what does this have to with ancient Egypt? Let alone Africa? It would seem like Eurocentrics have nothing better else to do but post non-sense that is totally unrelated to this forum.
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It seems that it emerged some time in the 1960s, when Vanuatu was an Anglo-French colony known as the New Hebrides.
For centuries, perhaps millennia, villagers had believed in an ancient story about the son of a mountain spirit venturing across the seas to look for a powerful woman to marry.
They believed that unlike them, this spirit had pale skin.
Somehow the legend gradually became associated with Prince Philip, who had indeed married a rich and powerful lady.
Villagers would have seen his portrait - and that of the Queen - in government outposts and police stations run by British colonial officials.
Their beliefs were bolstered in 1974, when the Queen and Prince Philip made an official visit to the New Hebrides. Here was their ancestral spirit, resplendent in a white naval officer's uniform, come back to show off his bride.
- I;m sure the afrocentrics will be speechless. But this is not an isolated case.
- When White europeans first landed in Hawaii they were greeted as Gods.
- The Spanish were confused with the Aztec's Gods because of their white skin
Did you really think this kind of info would be surprising to everyone here? You really think is a bunch of dunce head sheep 'round here...I am quite sure I was not the only one who was aware of this...soooooo, what exactly is your point with this post? I think you're getting a lil beside yourSelf there maamaa bwoy...lol...you are viewing it from a Eurocentric/white supremist viewpoint....so you are not going to overstand the fullness of it...jancro.... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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The point is Blacks innately recognize their intellctual/mental inferiority to Whites. History demontrates this. I mean think about it, if you were a primitive people that had not gone farther than a few nautical miles beyond your shores, yet seafarers who looked different from you had come to your shores from the farthest reaches, what would you think? GODS of your legends had come to you.
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Black-looking Pacific Islanders aka ‘’Australoids’’ are completely unrelated to Africans. The average European is closer to Nigerians than they are.
This thread makes no sense.
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A lot of sub-saharan west Africans are familiar with a light-skinned water goddess called Mami wata:
In Ghana they have a tradition of making flags as a form of folk art. Often they incorporate the British flag in the corner, a throw-back from colonial times...
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It is funny and ironic how 'Blaccentrists' and Afrocentrists will envoke the Madonna image as evidence to White on Black worship. And they will even trumpet this act as an indication to Black superiority. Yet, they seem to ignore the countless examples of Black on White worship that outnumber "Black Madonna" veneration. Why is that?
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My dear, that is only one of many images of Mami Wata/Mother Yemaya...her images range from light to dark, especially depending on region and/or artist depicting Her...now you are running into my territory, so to speak, as one who has lifelong familiarity with the Orisha dem deh...
As has already been pointed out to you, the color white is used as symbolism in most African cultures/African based/rooted/non/'white' cultures, that has nothing to do with 'white' people....
you're white arrogance blinds you...
The others here may be willing to give you the energy of going round and round with you, but I will not...no 'white' man is worth that energy...
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I'm quite sure the white was symbolic, when it comes to white Madonna's in Nubia. Try telling an Afrocentrist that about the black of the black Madonnas found in France and Poland!
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quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: I'm quite sure the white was symbolic, when it comes to white Madonna's in Nubia. Try telling an Afrocentrist that about the black of the black Madonnas found in France and Poland!
Hate to tell you this (well, not really), but you cannot compare the two...
I'll let someone else give you the time of explanation, if they care to.....
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Add Black Madonna. The one in France is worshipped by Gypsies, anthropologists think its the black godess kali from india "black as in destroyer"
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Actually it is true that veneration of the Virgin Mary was pioneered in Egypt, probably as a substitute for Isis. They would have had more trouble selling Christianity to the Egyptians had it lacked a figure equivalent to the mother goddess. The patriarch of Alexandria promoted Marian devotion in the wider church at the council of Ephesus.
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sorry but this guys dont look black as in negroid or australoid or capoid or any other black race, they look caucasoid just brown/tanned probably greeks or middle easterners
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quote: They would have had more trouble selling Christianity to the Egyptians...
They had trouble selling Christianity period in Europe, that's why Christianity adopted the things that it did, to gain followers...
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Tiger, You are new here--so get over the stupid term "negroid" concocted by some pale amateur "anthropologist: traipsing through Africa. You say "Australoid" so why not say "African"? Simple, isn't it!
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'Africanoid' my peachoid arse. That's a stupid euphemism and far from accurate, as though there were a single African race represented in its purest form by the negro.
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But Jackass you use "caucasoid" to cover almost all and sundry--from Europe to Asia to Africa and the Americas with the stupid claim that Kennewick man is "caucasoid". Goose and gander stuff here.
And your pale face kin--how about "blanco" instead of caucasoid, as if there was single European race represented in its purest form by the blanco.
Recall the books by Coon and Ripley-- The Races of Europe.
Any don't expect much from this--since natural fools never learn.
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From my observation on the ground, Mami Wata is just a mythical legend, and nothing more. Is it possible that it had reached a deity status in the distant past, prior to the adoption of "Abrahamic" faiths? Who knows, but the point is, it is not one now. Having said that, I've always wondered how this figure seeped into African mythology.
As for this "worship" deal, well, whites all over the world seem to worship Michael Jackson, fainting all over the place, crying their eyes out, and being besides themselves. Some might argue that he noticed this, and hence, the push towards making himself look like them.
Whites also worship ancient Egyptians. Going around wearing Egyptian headdresses, loincloths, holding staff, wearing eye liners etc. They like to talk shyt about Africa, but won't waste time dressing like long lost African queens and kings.
And yes, the Black Madonna thing. That is no small thing. Whites today essentially follow repackaged African theological concepts.
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yes indeed...to include that "new age" ideology which they have twisted around like everyting else, but far from new....
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Okay, if it pleases the highly sensitive: Is it possible that "she" had reached a deity status?
BTW, what are you basing the gender on? Beauty and long hair?
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quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: Okay, if it pleases the highly sensitive: Is it possible that "she" had reached a deity status?
BTW, what are you basing the gender on? Beauty and long hair?
I am not being highly sensitive...I was simply correcting your error...
She's a part of the old matriarchal ATRs...and always been portrayed in images as FEMALE- usually a mermaid (as MOTHER YEMAYA is portrayed), so that is why....bout beauty and long hair...
here, this is easier:
quote:Iemanja (Yemaja, Imanja, Yemayá, Jemanja, Yemalla, Yemana, Yemanja, Yemaya, Yemayah, Yemoja, Ymoja, Nanã, La Sirène, LaSiren, Mami Wata) - divine mother goddess, divine goddess of the sea and loving mother of mankind, daughter of Obatala and wife of Aganju
MOTHER YEMAYA/MAMI WATA (AND YOU'VE SEEN THE ONES I'VE ALREADY POSTED IN THE THREAD ABOVE):
Whether portrayed as Mami Wata or as Mother Yemaya, she is the same woman...
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Well, you are addressing this figure as a female apparently on the basis of the creature's upper body; that is, the humanoid qualities about it--featuring feminine quality of the face, the breasts, et al., but I'm apparently addressing the creature from the standpoint that it is not fully human, or fish for that matter; hence, the reference "it".
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In his latest provocative book, Julian Baldick argues that just as there is a common Afroasiatic language family, so too there is a common Afroasiatic family of religions. There is an inner logic to be found in myths, folk-tales, rituals, customs and beliefs as far apart as Yemen and Nigeria, which go back to an ancient past shared by the Bible and the pharaohs. Using the methods of comparative mythology, the author sifts through the work of an array of scholars - including anthropologists, religious historians, archaeologists and classical Greek writers and contemporary comments on them by professional Egyptologists - to build his picture of the Afroasiatic heritage, and how much of it is still with us in modern Western thought.
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