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Troll Patty you are always interupting other people's conversations. We are trying to learn Mike's teachings here, plus you are copying jari's new technique. Mike and Energy have both pointed out the error and lies of albino owned genetic testing facilities. Additionally no claims were made to their ancestry. Mike teaches that being black has nothing to do with ancestry, it has to do with skin pigmentation which is more readily apparent just by looking at photos. Therefore me or someone else not knowing their genetic makeup or ancestry is irrelevant to this conversation. You make the same mistake as jari, thinking copying and pasting a remark form a thread on DNA, genotype and ancestry applies to another thread in which the topic is phenotype or social constucts such a sthe word "black" discussions. Please fall back now and let Mike teach, stop tyring to piss on every tree like a dog. thank you,
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] Lioness my poor dear, when will you understand that Black is not a phenotype, nor a race, it is the base color of all normal humans.
All of these humans are Black people (if you don't believe me ask them): yet look how different they look. See, that's the beauty of normal humans - diversity.
Albinos on the other hand, have very little diversity.
Mike, out of self-hatred you try to cluster yourself with other races.
Your entire racial typology is based on skin pigmentation only. You are a joke.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Lying ass you are always interupting other people's conversations. We are trying to learn Mike's teachings here, plus you are copying jari's new technique. Mike and Energy have both pointed out the error and lies of albino owned genetic testing facilities. Please fall back now and let Mike teach, stop tyring to piss on every tree like a dog.
thank you,
lioness productions
Aren't now speaking towards yourself again?lol
However, the fact is. You don't know the genepool of those individuals.
Imposter!lol
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^^^read back, I've added remarks clarifying your dumbness. Who cares if I don't know the gene pool. We were not discussing that at all we were discussing the social construct known as "black" which has nothing to do with gene pool. go jump in th pool, again stop trying to get attention
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^read back, I've added remarks clarifying your dumbness. Who cares if I don't know the gene pool. We were not discussing that at all we were discussing the social construct known as "black" which has nothing to do with gene pool. go jump in th pool, again stop trying to get attention
Fact: You don't know the genetic composition of the people you've posted. You don't know their ancestry! Nor did you ever tell from where they actually came! LOOOOOOL!
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Off-topic, but while I was channel surfing last evening, I ran across some stupid "reality" show (I don't watch them, smh) about men who grow their beards to long lengths- I believe it's called "Whisker Wars." I actually checked it out for bout 5 minutes....funny how some lank straight haired yte men can grow such bushy beards rather than lank straight beards to match the hair pon their headtops...
but then, I'm not aware of their genetic history.... they might just LOOK and act like and view themSelves as pale lank-hair yte men and not actually be so...it's the bushy beards that give dem away, I tell ya....
Btw, some of us Proud Self-Respecting Black People do not subscribe to the 'one-drop' rule foolishness that yte people made up eno...
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] Lioness my poor dear, when will you understand that Black is not a phenotype, nor a race, it is the base color of all normal humans.
All of these humans are Black people (if you don't believe me ask them): yet look how different they look. See, that's the beauty of normal humans - diversity.
Albinos on the other hand, have very little diversity.
Mike I think I'm getting it now, the above are black people, while the below are albino:
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No lioness, they are ALL Mulattoes. The only difference being when admixture took place, and how they self identify.
As a reminder, this is the ORIGINAL state of the Albinos. As you can see, NONE of them look like the original people. The reason for that is admixture: which creates hybrid humans displaying attributes from both donors.
Lioness my poor dear, when will you understand that Black is not a phenotype, nor a race, it is the base color of all normal humans.
All of these humans are Black people (if you don't believe me ask them): yet look how different they look. See, that's the beauty of normal humans - diversity.
Albinos on the other hand, have very little diversity.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
Mike I think I'm getting it now, the above are black people
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: No lioness, they are ALL Mulattoes. The only difference being when admixture took place, and how they self identify.
Mike I'm getting confused listed Vanessa Williams as "All of these humans are Black people" now you seem to be putting her into the Mulatto category? She does have Welsh and American Indian ancestry. But look at the man above and compare his skin tone to this man from Nigeria:
they seem about equally dark. Therefore are they both NOT black? They are mulattoes?
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The "Athlete’s Skull" at Archaeological Museum of Agios Nikolaos, Crete. The skull dates from the 1st century AD and is crowned with a golden diadem of olive leaves.
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Skull of a young athlete from the Roman cemetery in the Potamos area, near Agios Nikolaos. The skull dates from the 1st century AD and is crowned with a golden diadem of olive leaves. In the mouth of the dead youth was a silver coin from the city of Polyrrhenia in west Crete, dated to the reign of the Roman Emperor Tiberius.
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quote:Originally posted by Omo Baba: The "Athlete’s Skull" at Archaeological Museum of Agios Nikolaos, Crete. The skull dates from the 1st century AD and is crowned with a golden diadem of olive leaves.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] ^Continued:
Getting back to the Mossynoeci in Anatolia:
in Anatolia you find Blacks, Whites, and Mulattoes all grouped together.
Lyin_ss I don't know what you were trying to prove here with these photos from Tehran. But all you did was show that Mike was right about the today's Persians being descendants of blacks i.e. the earliest Persian/Medians overtaken by white straight haired Scythic people.
How do you think these people came to have afros.
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Bumped into this by chance. A vase from 500BC. showing a blond Nordic Greek, but the irony is that its showing Ganymede the blond "Sexboy" of Zeus. Kind of reminds my of Rock Hudson with his blond lover Ganymede.
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Extensive homosexual activity is attributed to the Greek gods... and paralleled among Greek mortals...
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1-- The Greeks institutionalized homosexual practices more, as opposed to mere tolerance of outliers. For example, the mighty Spartans institutionalized it as an integral part of their military training. Along long with the Spartans the famous 'Sacred Band" of Thebes was made of up 300 men joined in homosexual pairs- sleeping together and fighting together.
As regards the Spartans and others:
"..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the institution of institutionalized pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover."
--From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, 2003.pg 69-70
1A-- The Greek institutionalization of homosexual activity was heavily focused on pederasty:
In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23,
various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia. quote:
".. the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised."
2-- The Greeks embraced homosexuality and it also appears frequently among their major gods, as part of the package, without any apparent moral censure. It was simply accepted that the major gods would get in their gay action.
For example, Mighty Poseidon took Pelops, the son of Tantalus, to Mt. Olympus as his paramour. Hermes, the Greek messenger and trickster often known as the “cunning deceiver was a lover of both men and women. Hermes had several sons including Pan, the horned satyr who loved both men and women (giving birth to the English word “pansexual”). Romans gave Hermes the name of Mercury, and both traditions considered him to have invented masturbation.
Apollo enjoyed male on male activity, tragically killing Hyacinth, his beloved male lad, in a discus-throwing accident.
Mighty Zeus was no shirker at the rear, as his relationship with human male Ganymede reveals. Ever generous, Zeus gave Ganymede’s father a golden grapevine and/or a pair of horses in exchange for raping his son.
Mighty Zeus was no shirker from the rear.. Here he kidnaps Ganymede for "Greek" activity..
3-- The Greeks seem to have embraced homosexual activity widely although with certain qualifications, such as disapproval of male prostitutes outside certain areas, etc etc.
FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
"One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
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According to researchers Blumfield and Raymond who have written several books on homosexuality, the Greeks embraced the practice in many aspects of life, including in their militaries: --(Looking at gay and lesbian life, 1988, by Blumenfeld and Raymond: pg 153-179)
"It was not unusual for men to comment on the attractiveness of other men, or for them to express affection for one another. At least part of the reason for this fascination with physical attractiveness and sex is that the Greeks had developed into a culture that had a great deal of leisure time. They were not required to work constantly in order to survive. Blumenfeld and Raymond wrote: “Similarly, the Greek attitude toward sex was, for the most part, value-neutral. …And, though exclusive homosexuality was probably discouraged as a threat to the family, it was widely tolerated both for older men who had children and for younger men prior to marriage.” (Blumenfeld and Raymond 1988, 155)
The Greek military attitude toward homosexuality was that it brought a sense of comradeship. It was often believed that a person would fight harder to protect his unit if that unit included a lover or lovers. This unique form of male bonding is attributed by some to the greatness of the Greek military might. In spite of this encouragement of homosexual practices, the picture is different for those who were exclusively passive at anal sex. They were believed to be polluted, and to have become like women. Therefore, they were expelled from military service as untrustworthy.
Greek society only negatively defined homosexual activity when it was exclusive or related to prostitution by a citizen. In nearly every other instance, homosexual conduct was considered acceptable and practical. It was simply a way of enjoying the beauty and awesomeness of the male bodies that they revered so highly.
The attitude toward the family and education could have also played a role in the attitude toward homosexuality. The family was considered the basis for reproduction. Women were restricted in their sexual activity because they were needed in order to bear children. Men could have sex with either women or men, so long as they met their societal obligation to reproduce. This is probably why exclusive anal sex was prohibited. Catamites could not bear children for their partners.
Education was the responsibility of the teachers and philosophers. Girls were excluded from the education system that was designed to teach boys how to be men. The student was expected to respect and admire his teacher. The teacher was expected to gain the devotion and affection of his student. Therefore, homosexual conduct between a teacher and student was considered a valuable part of the education process. The family, on the other hand, was simply needed for procreation.
During the republic period, Cicero declared without challenge that there is nothing illegal about a man taking another to the country in order to enjoy his erotic sensual pleasures. Although one could easily have sex with his wife at home, a man in the baths, a prostitute in the brothel, and a slave in a dark corner, he would have only been criticized if he were not able to keep everything in its place."
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Northern Europeans show extensive homosexual activity stretching back to ancient times as scholars note. QUOTE:
"The fourth-century A.D. Roman writer Ammianus Marcellinus described homosexual relationships between youth and adult warriors among the Taifali, a Germanic tribe related to the Goths.. Marcellinus became familiar with the Taifali when he was posted as a soldier in the region. Their youth, Marcellinus write, remained in these homosexual relationships until they became adults and had killed a boar or bear, a typical initiatory ordeal. Similar homosexual customs were described by the Roman historian Procopius in the sixth century A.D. among another German tribe, the Heruli.. homosexuality in the form of institutionalized pederasty of the sort described by Ammianis Marcellinus and Procopius is understood to have been the rule within the Germanic warrior societies.
Remarkably similar societies of unmarried warriors existed in Norse and Celtic society. The members of the Norse warrior societies also dedicated themselves to their god, Odin, dressed likewise in skins of wolves or bears and were said to fight with the furor f one possessed of the spirits of those animals.. Like the Germanic peoples, Celtic society was ruled by a warrior aristocracy supported by a farming peasantry.. While references by classical writers to homosexual relationship between Celtic warriors and youth are not detailed enough to be able to establish an initiatory construct, the pederastic relations that they described would almost certainly have occurred within the fianna, the principal social venue of the Celtic warriors. Indeed, given the close similarity of Celtic and Germanic tribal customs, and the well documented esteem of the Celts for male homosexuality, it would have been odd if the Celts did not practice a similar type of initiatory homosexuality.
The ancient writers leave no doubt as to the Celtic warriors; enthusiasm for homosexuality in general. According to Aristotle, the Celts held homosexuality in high esteem and publicly honored homosexual relations. Diodorus writes that despite the charm of Celtic women, the Celtic men: "long instead for the embrace of one of their own sex, lying on animal skins and tumbling around with a lover on either side. It is particularly surprising that they attach no value to either dignity or decency, offering their bodies to each other without further ado. This was not regarded as at all harmful: on the contrary, if they were rejected in their approaches, they felt insulted." Celtic youth evidently shared the attitudes of their elders. The Greek writer Strabo, described the young Celts of Gaul as "shamelessly generous with their boyish charms."
"..The lack if sexual inhibitions that the Celtic warriors displayed towards each other amid such an atmosphere of masculine eroticism suggests that homosexuality was not limited to pederastic relations, and that love between comrades was also a part of Celtic warrior life. In fact, it is warriors, not youth, whom Diodorus describes as "offering their bodies to each other without further ado." Such a relationship between warrior peers even appears in an Irish Celtic saga of the late first millennium." [ENDQUOTE] --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland: pp 120-131
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MORE ON THE GREEKS In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role.
In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role, as it did among other Indo-Europeans . QUOTE: "While little is known of the sexual practices of the Kassites, Hyksos or Aryans, that is not the case with the Greeks. The extent of the prevalence and social importance of homosexual behavior among the ancient Greeks is so thoroughly documented that it is possible to get a clear picture not only of the character of homosexual relationships in Greeks society, but the important role homosexuality played in that society.. the fragmentary glimpses we have of homosexual behavior among the other Indo-European peoples can be recognized as revealing a unified pattern of sexual customs and beliefs that seems to have prevailed among all the Indo-European ancestors of modern Europeans." --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland:
Pedophilia and homosexuality was common among the Spartans. Wives and male lovers were shared between Spartan men. Pederasty or use of youth for homosexual purposes was well established among the Spartans, Greeks and Cretans.
[quotes from various scholars:] "..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the instutionalization of pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover.. Punishment for various infractions such as suffering silently under discipline was sometimes made on the youth's older lover, for having failed to educate his beloved properly." --From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, Overlook Press, 2003.pg 69-70
"Aspects of Spartan society conduced less to heterosexuality than to homosexuality. In his Laws, Plato wrote that homosexuality resulted from the (male) dining groups and from male nudity in gymnasia. Records of Sparta from the classical period seem to refer to homosexual boyfriends at least as often as to wives. particularly revealing, are some assertions by Xenophon on this subject." --From: Sparta By Michael Whitby. 2002. Taylor and Francis: p. 93
"Sparta too institutionalized homosexual relations between mature men and adolescent boys, as well as between adult women and girls.. many aspects of Spartan homosexuality and marriage customs point to tribal origins. Participation was mandatory for all youth of good character. There were ordeals- a common feature of tribal initiation.. Even after marriage, men lived in men's houses, not with their wives. Wives and male lovers were shared with age-mates." ---From: The construction of homosexuality. David F. Greenberg. University of Chicago Press. 1990. p.107 --------------------------
Both homosexuality and pedophilia were institutionalized among the Greeks per scholars: [quotes from various scholars:] FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "In short, I have no doubt that the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised." In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23, various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia.".
Some historian argue that Greek homosexual activity had ritual significance in the form of the semen, being an agent representing martial excellence or prowess, imparted to the receiving male in the process of sodomy. The venue of the gymnasium also played a part. quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "Next there is the point insisted upon by Plato's Athenian Laws (1.636b; cg. Theaer. 162b, 169ab), the role played by the gymnasia as hotbeds of homosexuality. The Spartans put a premium on gymnastic exercise, and if Thucydides (1.6.5) is to be believed, it was they who invented the customs of exercising stark naked and rubbing down with olive oil. In Sparta therefore the cult of the nude male body is likely to have been pushed to the extremes, as it is known to have been in other less gymnastic Greek cities.. None of these conditions favoring homosexuality is wholly peculiar to Spartan society, but their presence in combination suggests that the integration of institutionalised pederasty into the Agoge, whenever precisely it occurred, will at any rate, not have been awkward." pg 27
Yet others argue that the ties created by pederasty extended to the networks of influence and governance. "Pederasty, in other words, could have acted at Spartan in the age of Xenophon, as it certainly did in fourth-century Crete, as a means of recruiting the political elite," ---------------
Young females were also used in Spartan society as part of homosexual relations. Quote: "Plutarch relates that in Sparta, the noble women loved the girls. Also the academic philosopher Hagnon states: "Among the Spartans it was customary (viz for adult women) to have intercourse with girls before their marriage, as one did with boys." pg 292
Homosexuality was commonly recognized and accepted in Greece, and suggest a common pattern among Indo-European peoples. As one historian notes: "One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
Some ancient Greek scholars held that the Persians learned homosexuality from the Greeks ".. we pass straight on to the Persians. Our sources are divided as to whether they practiced pederasty or not. The latter view will be the more probably one, since the Zoroastrian writings tome and again strongly forbade pederasty. It is perhaps indicative for this attitude that Agesilaos, although strongly in love with the son of high-ranking Persian, refrains from any physical contact. On the other hand, the son of Pharnabazus is enamoured of a Greek boy, and the recurrence of the prohibitions of pederasty suggests that the Persians did not succeed in stopping the practice. Such discrepancy between theory and practice could elucidate the remark of Herodotus that the Persians learned pederasty from the Greeks." pg 282
Quotes from: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson-1992 -
Historian Charles Freeman's "The Greek Achievement" (1999) holds that homosexuality had an influential place in some Greek institutions. According to Freeman: [quote] ".. "The symposia provided the arena for much of this sexual activity. These were highly ritualized affairs whose origins lay in the banqueting halls of aristocratic warriors. The men were garlanded and reclined one or two to a couch around a central table.. there is little evidence that symposia were normally used to discuss politics. Rather the opposite; the longest conversation in Plato's Symposium is about the nature of homosexual love." (Freeman: pg 299, pg 283-304)
Other writers find similar prominence in Athens: "Male homosexuality was also a prominent feature of Classical Athens. It was widely practiced and tolerated. Athenian law disenfranchised a citizen who had prostituted his body to another male, but nothing was done to males who engaged in homosexual love with male prostitutes or other adult males for love or pleasure. The law did not eliminate male prostitution but ensured that male prostitutes would be foreigners, not Athenian citizens." -- Western Civilization: To 1500, Volume 1. Jackson J. Spielvogel. 2009. Cenage.
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FROM: Charles Freeman (2000) The Greek Achievement. Penguin ed. pg 111, 298-300 {QUOTES}
Prevalence of pederasty in Greece
"In general terms the [Greek] evidence suggests that when men are deprived of women by a late age of marriage, as they were in Athens, they formed liaisons with younger boys (a study of Renaissance Florence where a similar age gap existed found that homosexuality was more prevalent there than in Italian city states where the ages of couples on marriage were equal. In this sense, young boys acted as a substitute for women."
The famous Greek symposium was a locale for pederastic sex. History records that some Greek parents were disturbed by homosexual activity in the symposium involving their young male children
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"Young boys would attend symposia as part of their initiation into society and the symposium could act as the setting for pederastic sex."
"there was always the fear that his manhood would be compromised by the encounter and some families employed a tutor to watch over their sons to keep them clear of pederastic sex."
Pg 111 "However, as Kenneth Dover has pointed out it is just at this time, the late seventh century, that overt homosexuality between men became an accepted part of Greek social life… ' A Greek who said 'I am in love' would not mind being asked 'with a boy'..
Homosexual initiation was common in Greek societies as seen in the practices of Crete and Sparta. Young boys were taken from home and used in homosexual activity with older men as part of the culture. In Sparta, homosexual practice was also reflected by wives dressing as young boys on their wedding night. {QUOTE}
"Such an initiation ceremony is recorded by the greographer Strabo (first century B.C.) in Crete where young boys were kidnapped, taken to a remote part of the country, and then kept there for two months. They were taught hunting, feasting and military skills with the context of some form of sexual relationship. IN other words, homosexual initiation was pat of the transition from youth to adulthood. In the messes of Sparta, homosexual activity was normal, while the warriors of fourth century Thebes, at one moment the best in Greece, were said to owe their cohesion to paired homosexual bonding. In Sparta, it was ritualized by a new wife dressing as a boy for her wedding night, and then as a woman thereafter."
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Review of Middle English literature states that "if there is any doubt as to the beauty or ugliness of brown persons, it is certain that those who are black are decidedly ugly and sometimes hideous" (Curry 1916:80). This was the color of devil.
Curry, W.C. (1916). The Middle English Ideal of Personal Beauty, as found in the Metrical Romances, Chronicles, and Legends of the XIII, XIV, and XV Centuries. Baltimore: J.H. Furst Co.
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1-- The Greeks institutionalized homosexual practices more, as opposed to mere tolerance of outliers. For example, the mighty Spartans institutionalized it as an integral part of their military training. Along long with the Spartans the famous 'Sacred Band" of Thebes was made of up 300 men joined in homosexual pairs- sleeping together and fighting together.
As regards the Spartans and others:
"..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the institution of institutionalized pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover."
--From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, 2003.pg 69-70
1A-- The Greek institutionalization of homosexual activity was heavily focused on pederasty:
In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23,
various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia. quote:
".. the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised."
2-- The Greeks embraced homosexuality and it also appears frequently among their major gods, as part of the package, without any apparent moral censure. It was simply accepted that the major gods would get in their gay action.
For example, Mighty Poseidon took Pelops, the son of Tantalus, to Mt. Olympus as his paramour. Hermes, the Greek messenger and trickster often known as the “cunning deceiver was a lover of both men and women. Hermes had several sons including Pan, the horned satyr who loved both men and women (giving birth to the English word “pansexual”). Romans gave Hermes the name of Mercury, and both traditions considered him to have invented masturbation.
Apollo enjoyed male on male activity, tragically killing Hyacinth, his beloved male lad, in a discus-throwing accident.
Mighty Zeus was no shirker at the rear, as his relationship with human male Ganymede reveals. Ever generous, Zeus gave Ganymede’s father a golden grapevine and/or a pair of horses in exchange for raping his son.
White Zeus was no shirker at hindquarters. Here he kidnaps and prepares to sodomize the white youth Ganymede ..
3-- The Greeks seem to have embraced homosexual activity widely although with certain qualifications, such as disapproval of male prostitutes outside certain areas, etc etc.
FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
"One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
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According to researchers Blumfield and Raymond who have written several books on homosexuality, the Greeks embraced the practice in many aspects of life, including in their militaries: --(Looking at gay and lesbian life, 1988, by Blumenfeld and Raymond: pg 153-179)
"It was not unusual for men to comment on the attractiveness of other men, or for them to express affection for one another. At least part of the reason for this fascination with physical attractiveness and sex is that the Greeks had developed into a culture that had a great deal of leisure time. They were not required to work constantly in order to survive. Blumenfeld and Raymond wrote: “Similarly, the Greek attitude toward sex was, for the most part, value-neutral. …And, though exclusive homosexuality was probably discouraged as a threat to the family, it was widely tolerated both for older men who had children and for younger men prior to marriage.” (Blumenfeld and Raymond 1988, 155)
The Greek military attitude toward homosexuality was that it brought a sense of comradeship. It was often believed that a person would fight harder to protect his unit if that unit included a lover or lovers. This unique form of male bonding is attributed by some to the greatness of the Greek military might. In spite of this encouragement of homosexual practices, the picture is different for those who were exclusively passive at anal sex. They were believed to be polluted, and to have become like women. Therefore, they were expelled from military service as untrustworthy.
Greek society only negatively defined homosexual activity when it was exclusive or related to prostitution by a citizen. In nearly every other instance, homosexual conduct was considered acceptable and practical. It was simply a way of enjoying the beauty and awesomeness of the male bodies that they revered so highly.
The attitude toward the family and education could have also played a role in the attitude toward homosexuality. The family was considered the basis for reproduction. Women were restricted in their sexual activity because they were needed in order to bear children. Men could have sex with either women or men, so long as they met their societal obligation to reproduce. This is probably why exclusive anal sex was prohibited. Catamites could not bear children for their partners.
Education was the responsibility of the teachers and philosophers. Girls were excluded from the education system that was designed to teach boys how to be men. The student was expected to respect and admire his teacher. The teacher was expected to gain the devotion and affection of his student. Therefore, homosexual conduct between a teacher and student was considered a valuable part of the education process. The family, on the other hand, was simply needed for procreation.
During the republic period, Cicero declared without challenge that there is nothing illegal about a man taking another to the country in order to enjoy his erotic sensual pleasures. Although one could easily have sex with his wife at home, a man in the baths, a prostitute in the brothel, and a slave in a dark corner, he would have only been criticized if he were not able to keep everything in its place."
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Northern Europeans show extensive homosexual activity stretching back to ancient times as scholars note. QUOTE:
"The fourth-century A.D. Roman writer Ammianus Marcellinus described homosexual relationships between youth and adult warriors among the Taifali, a Germanic tribe related to the Goths.. Marcellinus became familiar with the Taifali when he was posted as a soldier in the region. Their youth, Marcellinus write, remained in these homosexual relationships until they became adults and had killed a boar or bear, a typical initiatory ordeal. Similar homosexual customs were described by the Roman historian Procopius in the sixth century A.D. among another German tribe, the Heruli.. homosexuality in the form of institutionalized pederasty of the sort described by Ammianis Marcellinus and Procopius is understood to have been the rule within the Germanic warrior societies.
Remarkably similar societies of unmarried warriors existed in Norse and Celtic society. The members of the Norse warrior societies also dedicated themselves to their god, Odin, dressed likewise in skins of wolves or bears and were said to fight with the furor f one possessed of the spirits of those animals.. Like the Germanic peoples, Celtic society was ruled by a warrior aristocracy supported by a farming peasantry.. While references by classical writers to homosexual relationship between Celtic warriors and youth are not detailed enough to be able to establish an initiatory construct, the pederastic relations that they described would almost certainly have occurred within the fianna, the principal social venue of the Celtic warriors. Indeed, given the close similarity of Celtic and Germanic tribal customs, and the well documented esteem of the Celts for male homosexuality, it would have been odd if the Celts did not practice a similar type of initiatory homosexuality.
The ancient writers leave no doubt as to the Celtic warriors; enthusiasm for homosexuality in general. According to Aristotle, the Celts held homosexuality in high esteem and publicly honored homosexual relations. Diodorus writes that despite the charm of Celtic women, the Celtic men: "long instead for the embrace of one of their own sex, lying on animal skins and tumbling around with a lover on either side. It is particularly surprising that they attach no value to either dignity or decency, offering their bodies to each other without further ado. This was not regarded as at all harmful: on the contrary, if they were rejected in their approaches, they felt insulted." Celtic youth evidently shared the attitudes of their elders. The Greek writer Strabo, described the young Celts of Gaul as "shamelessly generous with their boyish charms."
"..The lack if sexual inhibitions that the Celtic warriors displayed towards each other amid such an atmosphere of masculine eroticism suggests that homosexuality was not limited to pederastic relations, and that love between comrades was also a part of Celtic warrior life. In fact, it is warriors, not youth, whom Diodorus describes as "offering their bodies to each other without further ado." Such a relationship between warrior peers even appears in an Irish Celtic saga of the late first millennium." [ENDQUOTE] --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland: pp 120-131
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MORE ON THE GREEKS In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role.
In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role, as it did among other Indo-Europeans . QUOTE: "While little is known of the sexual practices of the Kassites, Hyksos or Aryans, that is not the case with the Greeks. The extent of the prevalence and social importance of homosexual behavior among the ancient Greeks is so thoroughly documented that it is possible to get a clear picture not only of the character of homosexual relationships in Greeks society, but the important role homosexuality played in that society.. the fragmentary glimpses we have of homosexual behavior among the other Indo-European peoples can be recognized as revealing a unified pattern of sexual customs and beliefs that seems to have prevailed among all the Indo-European ancestors of modern Europeans." --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland:
Pedophilia and homosexuality was common among the Spartans. Wives and male lovers were shared between Spartan men. Pederasty or use of youth for homosexual purposes was well established among the Spartans, Greeks and Cretans.
[quotes from various scholars:] "..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the instutionalization of pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover.. Punishment for various infractions such as suffering silently under discipline was sometimes made on the youth's older lover, for having failed to educate his beloved properly." --From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, Overlook Press, 2003.pg 69-70
"Aspects of Spartan society conduced less to heterosexuality than to homosexuality. In his Laws, Plato wrote that homosexuality resulted from the (male) dining groups and from male nudity in gymnasia. Records of Sparta from the classical period seem to refer to homosexual boyfriends at least as often as to wives. particularly revealing, are some assertions by Xenophon on this subject." --From: Sparta By Michael Whitby. 2002. Taylor and Francis: p. 93
"Sparta too institutionalized homosexual relations between mature men and adolescent boys, as well as between adult women and girls.. many aspects of Spartan homosexuality and marriage customs point to tribal origins. Participation was mandatory for all youth of good character. There were ordeals- a common feature of tribal initiation.. Even after marriage, men lived in men's houses, not with their wives. Wives and male lovers were shared with age-mates." ---From: The construction of homosexuality. David F. Greenberg. University of Chicago Press. 1990. p.107 --------------------------
Both homosexuality and pedophilia were institutionalized among the Greeks per scholars: [quotes from various scholars:] FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "In short, I have no doubt that the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised." In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23, various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia.".
Some historian argue that Greek homosexual activity had ritual significance in the form of the semen, being an agent representing martial excellence or prowess, imparted to the receiving male in the process of sodomy. The venue of the gymnasium also played a part. quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "Next there is the point insisted upon by Plato's Athenian Laws (1.636b; cg. Theaer. 162b, 169ab), the role played by the gymnasia as hotbeds of homosexuality. The Spartans put a premium on gymnastic exercise, and if Thucydides (1.6.5) is to be believed, it was they who invented the customs of exercising stark naked and rubbing down with olive oil. In Sparta therefore the cult of the nude male body is likely to have been pushed to the extremes, as it is known to have been in other less gymnastic Greek cities.. None of these conditions favoring homosexuality is wholly peculiar to Spartan society, but their presence in combination suggests that the integration of institutionalised pederasty into the Agoge, whenever precisely it occurred, will at any rate, not have been awkward." pg 27
Yet others argue that the ties created by pederasty extended to the networks of influence and governance. "Pederasty, in other words, could have acted at Spartan in the age of Xenophon, as it certainly did in fourth-century Crete, as a means of recruiting the political elite," ---------------
Young females were also used in Spartan society as part of homosexual relations. Quote: "Plutarch relates that in Sparta, the noble women loved the girls. Also the academic philosopher Hagnon states: "Among the Spartans it was customary (viz for adult women) to have intercourse with girls before their marriage, as one did with boys." pg 292
Homosexuality was commonly recognized and accepted in Greece, and suggest a common pattern among Indo-European peoples. As one historian notes: "One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
Some ancient Greek scholars held that the Persians learned homosexuality from the Greeks ".. we pass straight on to the Persians. Our sources are divided as to whether they practiced pederasty or not. The latter view will be the more probably one, since the Zoroastrian writings tome and again strongly forbade pederasty. It is perhaps indicative for this attitude that Agesilaos, although strongly in love with the son of high-ranking Persian, refrains from any physical contact. On the other hand, the son of Pharnabazus is enamoured of a Greek boy, and the recurrence of the prohibitions of pederasty suggests that the Persians did not succeed in stopping the practice. Such discrepancy between theory and practice could elucidate the remark of Herodotus that the Persians learned pederasty from the Greeks." pg 282
Quotes from: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson-1992 -
Historian Charles Freeman's "The Greek Achievement" (1999) holds that homosexuality had an influential place in some Greek institutions. According to Freeman: [quote] ".. "The symposia provided the arena for much of this sexual activity. These were highly ritualized affairs whose origins lay in the banqueting halls of aristocratic warriors. The men were garlanded and reclined one or two to a couch around a central table.. there is little evidence that symposia were normally used to discuss politics. Rather the opposite; the longest conversation in Plato's Symposium is about the nature of homosexual love." (Freeman: pg 299, pg 283-304)
Other writers find similar prominence in Athens: "Male homosexuality was also a prominent feature of Classical Athens. It was widely practiced and tolerated. Athenian law disenfranchised a citizen who had prostituted his body to another male, but nothing was done to males who engaged in homosexual love with male prostitutes or other adult males for love or pleasure. The law did not eliminate male prostitution but ensured that male prostitutes would be foreigners, not Athenian citizens." -- Western Civilization: To 1500, Volume 1. Jackson J. Spielvogel. 2009. Cenage.
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FROM: Charles Freeman (2000) The Greek Achievement. Penguin ed. pg 111, 298-300 {QUOTES}
Prevalence of pederasty in Greece
"In general terms the [Greek] evidence suggests that when men are deprived of women by a late age of marriage, as they were in Athens, they formed liaisons with younger boys (a study of Renaissance Florence where a similar age gap existed found that homosexuality was more prevalent there than in Italian city states where the ages of couples on marriage were equal. In this sense, young boys acted as a substitute for women."
The famous Greek symposium was a locale for pederastic sex. History records that some Greek parents were disturbed by homosexual activity in the symposium involving their young male children
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"Young boys would attend symposia as part of their initiation into society and the symposium could act as the setting for pederastic sex."
"there was always the fear that his manhood would be compromised by the encounter and some families employed a tutor to watch over their sons to keep them clear of pederastic sex."
Pg 111 "However, as Kenneth Dover has pointed out it is just at this time, the late seventh century, that overt homosexuality between men became an accepted part of Greek social life… ' A Greek who said 'I am in love' would not mind being asked 'with a boy'..
Homosexual initiation was common in Greek societies as seen in the practices of Crete and Sparta. Young boys were taken from home and used in homosexual activity with older men as part of the culture. In Sparta, homosexual practice was also reflected by wives dressing as young boys on their wedding night. {QUOTE}
"Such an initiation ceremony is recorded by the greographer Strabo (first century B.C.) in Crete where young boys were kidnapped, taken to a remote part of the country, and then kept there for two months. They were taught hunting, feasting and military skills with the context of some form of sexual relationship. IN other words, homosexual initiation was pat of the transition from youth to adulthood. In the messes of Sparta, homosexual activity was normal, while the warriors of fourth century Thebes, at one moment the best in Greece, were said to owe their cohesion to paired homosexual bonding. In Sparta, it was ritualized by a new wife dressing as a boy for her wedding night, and then as a woman thereafter."
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Articles about skin bleaching with lead white as a corrosive ingredient in face paint also mentioned that the Greeks and Romans were already practising this. Skin bleaching is not practiced by whites.
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quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Review of Middle English literature states that "if there is any doubt as to the beauty or ugliness of brown persons, it is certain that those who are black are decidedly ugly and sometimes hideous" (Curry 1916:80). This was the color of devil.
Curry, W.C. (1916). The Middle English Ideal of Personal Beauty, as found in the Metrical Romances, Chronicles, and Legends of the XIII, XIV, and XV Centuries. Baltimore: J.H. Furst Co.
Cass - You are a pasty pink and ugly Albino. Do you think that by attacking the beauty, robustness, and virility of Blackness, that will change your condition?
It won't, the only chance you have for improvement is with your offspring. If you can find a Black willing to mate with you, you may look forward to offspring of a hardier breed. Beauty however is another story entirely, you are not likely to produce anything along those lines.
OMG...^just nastiness...^dem look stink like...smdh...if mi did ah look suh mi wuda hide ina mi gates and kill miSelf tuh bloodclaat...
Dem have NO shame atall..smh...
Although, on the other side of it AS A BLACK MAN Mikeybwoy is kinda wrong for what he just did...just a thought still...I don't need to tell certain ones and ones here why cah as Conscious Black People they will sight it for demSelves....
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quote:Originally posted by CAH-SH*T-HE-RIDES: No i'm not into Zoophilia.
Yuh know funny ting bout it is...that's what people seh every time dem see yuh picha...yuh fava one ugly rass likkle creature...
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These look like Surinam ladies, but for the fact that they will never expose so much flesh. But there are many men who love big women, and I guess they reckon having a really fat women is to have two women for the price of one. More pleasure...
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^It has been said that the advantage of a fat woman is shade in the summer and warmth in the winter. Plus simplicity, any fold will do.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^It has been said that the advantage of a fat woman is shade in the summer and warmth in the winter. Plus simplicity, any fold will do.
Our Surinam man's love for truly fat women is one of our unspoken national assets and the fat white Dutch ladies are making a bee-line to the Marroon villages in our green interior. And bringing euro's too...
Mike111, dear, I start a new thread about scientific fraud because I feel our displeasure with our white neighbours and their mental aphasia for neglecting data is downright fraude. We should point this out and instead of simply calling them liars we can use more established terms to point out their fraudulent ways.
I cannot post the new thread...
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^Euphemism to describe crime is pure silliness. It indicates weakness and uncertainty on the part of the would-be challenger. The unspoken thought is: "suppose I'm wrong". Well I don't have that problem, before taking a stand, I thoroughly investigated all possibilities, and then I gathered data, and looked at it objectively. Only then did I declare the truth as supported by EVIDENCE - not belief. So I say:
How silly to call a mass murder, a misguided life-taker.
How silly to call someone who purposefully fabricates a false history - mistaken.
How silly to call a defective, degenerate Albino, intent on destruction and conquest - simply White.
The use of euphemism indicates a desire to give respect and not offend. I personally don't believe in coddling criminals.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Euphemism to describe crime is pure silliness. It indicates weakness and uncertainty on the part of the would-be challenger. The unspoken thought is: "suppose I'm wrong". Well I don't have that problem, before taking a stand, I thoroughly investigated all possibilities, and then I gathered data, and looked at it objectively. Only then did I declare the truth as supported by EVIDENCE - not belief. So I say:
How silly to call a mass murder, a misguided life-taker.
How silly to call someone who purposefully fabricates a false history - mistaken.
How silly to call a defective, degenerate Albino, intent on destruction and conquest - simply White.
The use of euphemism indicates a desire to give respect and not offend. I personally don't believe in coddling criminals.
What do you think you are history stealing white people hating black racist black supremacist Mikey boy, a history stealing criminal. YOU are the one is purposely fabricating history, seeking to put a black face on everyone in history. Trying to do harm to whites by stealing everything of ours. Demeaning us, belittling us, degrading us, dehumanizing us by stealing our history, our heritage, our identities, our homeland leaving us with nothing, out of your sheer hatred of us & your racism towards us. PUT UP OR SHUT UP, POST UNBIASED PROOF, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ON THAT OTHER THREAD OR ADMIT YOU'RE LYING Racist boy.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] Lioness my poor dear, when will you understand that Black is not a phenotype, nor a race, it is the base color of all normal humans.
All of these humans are Black people (if you don't believe me ask them): yet look how different they look. See, that's the beauty of normal humans - diversity.
Albinos on the other hand, have very little diversity.
Mike I think I'm getting it now, the above are black people, while the below are albino:
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No lioness, they are ALL Mulattoes. The only difference being when admixture took place, and how they self identify.
As a reminder, this is the ORIGINAL state of the Albinos. As you can see, NONE of them look like the original people. The reason for that is admixture: which creates hybrid humans displaying attributes from both donors.
Again you stupid white people hating black racist black supremacist, whites are NOT Albinos. Those people do NOT look anything like whites, even with their light skin you can still tell they are Pakistanis dumby. Again WE ARE NOT ALBINOS, WE ARE NOT ASIANS dumby. PUT UP OR SHUT UP RACIST BOY, POST UNBIASED PROOF, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER THREAD OR ADIMT YOU LIED.
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DHDoxies dear, could you please get together with Cass, and decide once and for all, just exactly WHO is Caucasian. The poor colored folk are having just one hell of a time keeping up with your changing definitions.
Me on the other hand, asks just who the hell are you Albinos to decide. You friggin Albinos are the least of the worlds people, yet YOU presume to decide just who the hell everybody else is????
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: DHDoxies dear, could you please get together with Cass, and decide once and for all, just exactly WHO is Caucasian. The poor colored folk are having just one hell of a time keeping up with your changing definitions.
Me on the other hand, asks just who the hell are you Albinos to decide. You friggin Albinos are the least of the worlds people, yet YOU presume to decide just who the hell everybody else is????
Fuch Off - Albino!
Awww did I make little Mikey boy, the white people hating, black racist black supremacist show his hatred/racism again LOL. You are the one trying to say who everyone else is. I don't need to get together with Cass. You are the one presuming to decide who everyone else is, labeling whites as Albinos for no other reason than your petty hatred for us. Labeling my European Ancestors as Black. Labeling all whites Germanic when we are not. The definition of Caucasian hasn't changed recently, it is still the Native people's of Europe, The Middle East, N. Africa & India has been for years. Now the definition of who is White has changed, to some it is only those of wholly European decent & to some it is anyone with fair skin except Albino Negros. Again white people hating black racist, White people are NOT Albinos and we are NOT Asians either. PUT UP OR SHUT UP MIKEY BOY, POST UNBIASED PROOF, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ON THE OTHER THREAD OR ADMIT YOU LIED.
BTW, No I will NOT F-off, I will be here like a little dog nipping at your heels who just won't go away no matter how badly you treat it LOL,
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: DHDoxies dear, could you please get together with Cass, and decide once and for all, just exactly WHO is Caucasian. The poor colored folk are having just one hell of a time keeping up with your changing definitions.
Me on the other hand, asks just who the hell are you Albinos to decide. You friggin Albinos are the least of the worlds people, yet YOU presume to decide just who the hell everybody else is????
Fuch Off - Albino!
The definition of Caucasian hasn't changed recently, it is still the Native people's of Europe, The Middle East, N. Africa & India has been for years..
If you want me to get into more detailed differences in the crania i can also give you a long list.
Skin colour is not used to identify race, and never has been. Yet in your bogus racial classification everything is a based literal 'white' or 'dark' pigmentation...
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These look like Surinam ladies, but for the fact that they will never expose so much flesh. But there are many men who love big women, and I guess they reckon having a really fat women is to have two women for the price of one. More pleasure...
Egmond, you can so better.
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If you want me to get into more detailed differences in the crania i can also give you a long list.
Skin colour is not used to identify race, and never has been. Yet in your bogus racial classification everything is a based literal 'white' or 'dark' pigmentation...
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^Poor Cass, the dejected Albino. He just won't accept that genetically he is merely some Black mans Albino child.
So he engages in endless posts claiming the uniqueness of Albinos, but since the only thing unique about Albinos is their White pigment-less skin: so every time he is knocked on his pink ass. But in the true manner of the mentally defective, he gets up, dusts off his pink Albino ass, and tries it again.
Isn't the definition of stupidity: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time".
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''The question arises, why so many people say or imply that the races differ only in skin colour when this is so obviously untrue. Those who minimise racial differences by speaking as though the only difference between a European and (for instance) a Chinese were of skin colour, appear unwittingly to admit that recognition of the more fundamental differences that actually exist might affect people’s views on the ethnic problem; for it might be regarded as unlikely that such differences could co-exist with exact similarity in the parts of the body concerned with thought and feeling.''
John Baker, Race, 1974, p. 180
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Poor Cass, the dejected Albino. He just won't accept that genetically he is merely some Black mans Albino child.
So he engages in endless posts claiming the uniqueness of Albinos, but since the only thing unique about Albinos is their White pigment-less skin: so every time he is knocked on his pink ass. But in the true manner of the mentally defective, he gets up, dusts off his pink Albino ass, and tries it again.
Isn't the definition of stupidity: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time".
Mikey boy you delusional white people hating black racist black supremacist, make up your dang mind, are we albino Negros or albino Asians LOL. That's right we are neither LOL. POST UNBIASED PROOF MIKEY BOY & ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ON THAT OTHER THREAD OR ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.
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Mike you have some answering to do for DHDoxies you keep running away.
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Pale white skin among ancient Greek males was a marker of the rich, elite or nobility. It was considered by the darker skinned Mediterranoid population, of the lower classes, to be effeminate. Some sources -
In Aristophanes, Clouds 102-104, those of the philosopher class are pale white:
''Bah! They are rogues; I know them. You mean the quacks, the pale-faced wretches, the bare-footed fellows, of whose numbers are the miserable Socrates and Chaerephon.''
Pale skinned men, typically of the ruling classes according to Euripides, Bacchae 451-459, appear effeminate:
''Loose his hands; for now that I have him in the net he is scarce swift enough to elude me. So, sir stranger, thou art not ill-favoured from a woman's point of view, which was thy real object in coming to Thebes; thy hair is long because thou hast never been a wrestler, flowing right down thy cheeks most wantonly; thy skin is white to help thee gain thy end, not tanned by ray of sun, but kept within the shade, as thou goest in quest of love with beauty's bait.''
Plato (Republic, 474e) notes that those with white skin are ''children of the Gods'', meaning the royals and aristocrats who claimed descent from Greek deities, but that those with dark skin were 'manly':
“The swarthy are of manly aspect, the white are the children of the Gods divinely fair and as for honey-hued, do you suppose the very word is anything but the euphemistic invention of some lover who can feel no distaste for sallowness when it accompanies the blooming time of youth”.
The Suda O 801 notes:
'Pale men are no use [other] than for shoemaking'
Cobblers of course earned their living working indoors and so their skin never became sunburnt.
Erasmus, Adagia III vi 28 (Nulla candidorum virorum utilitas = Pale men are of no use) quotes the Greek proverb from Suda O 801.
In Menander's Dyskolos, a young rich townsman named Sostratos falls in love with the lower class farmer Knemon's daughter. To win her hand, Sostratos volunteers to till the soil on Knemon's farm and must loose his pale white complexion via sunburning -
"The sun was burning me" (ὁ δ' ἥλιος κατέκα'), says Sostratos afterwards (line 535). Later in the play (line 754) Knemon looks at Sostratos and says, "He has been burned. Is he a farmer?" (ἐπικέκαυται μέν. γεωργός ἐστι;).
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