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[Roll Eyes]


Lady of Kazan Black Madonna Our Lady of Kazan

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You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.

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When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.

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"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.
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quote:
Originally posted by facts:
"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.

LOL! [Big Grin]

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Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones
Laughable ^

Someone is copying Hawass

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Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child

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^Now, go suck on one.

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Wrong Try Again^

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We can go tit 4 tat and I'll post semitic renditions of mother goddess and child with NO NEGRO CONNECTIION. And then argue that Europe's was inspired by the ones found in Asia. YOU = LOSE. Now, go crawl back under the rock from which you came.

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Isis

Wrong Try Again^


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I'll post semitic renditions of mother goddess and child with NO NEGRO CONNECTIION.
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Scientists reveal face of the first European

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what modern humans looked like when they spread into Europe
Go ahead try entertain us [Smile]
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quote:
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"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.

Yes cause when I think of an earthy skin tone I think pink and white. Woa wait-- No, I don't quite think of such colors when I think of the color of Earth. At most a Med, but those people are mixed. Earthy colors can also be dark brown to black. I could understand later renditions of her skin changed to reflect European views on purity. Even more interesting is that the quote suggests that there was a reduction in emphasis on eternal feminine power because of it. Ideas of purity were mostly important for patriarchal purposes involving a man knowing his child and ensuring his genetic legacy. If they didn't see pallid women as having eternal feminine power, would that suggest self hatred?? Cassi's always talking about it, I wonder if he's trying to portray impartiality by suggesting the issue was also present in Europe.
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Isis

Wrong Try Again^

It's funny how that individual is fighting with tooth and nail. All day and everyday.


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"Rites of the early production cultures" Gímszarvasvadászatot painting, Catal Hülyük, BC 5800th k.

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Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Religions


It is argued that just as there is a common Afroasiatic language family, so too there is a common Afroasiatic family of religions. There is an inner logic to be found in myths, folk-tales, rituals, customs and beliefs as far apart as Yemen and Nigeria which go back to an ancient past shared by the Bible and the pharaohs.

Using the method of comparative mythology, the author sifts through the work of scholars - including anthropologists, religious historians, archaeologists and classical Greek writers and contemporary comments on them by professional Egyptologists - to build his picture of the Afroasiatic heritage, and how much of it is still with us in modern Western thought.


Head of the god Amun (Amun RA/ RE)(Amen)


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And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the AMEN, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. ( Revelation 3:14-15 )

Amon, or Amen

(the mysterious ), an Egyptian divinity, whose name occurs in that of No-amon. ( Nahum 3:8 ) Amen was one of the eight gods of the first order and chief of the triad of Thebes. He was worshipped at that city as Amen-Ra, or "Amen the Sun."


Bibliography Information


Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Amon, or Amen'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.


Nahum 3:9 "Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite".......? lol

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Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child

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^Now, go suck on one.

The translation said: Russia will be for whites! lol


And now you're forcing your "earliest dipiction"!

Book of Kells, Folio 7v, Madonna and Child.

The Book of Kells is an illuminated manuscript Gospel book, created by Celtic monks ca. 800 AD. (giving away the illiteracy of West Europe. And her Celtic tradition. )


Celtic hut during 800 AD.

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Versus


The Earliest Known Image of the Virgin Mary (Circa 150 CE)


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndPA-Zcj0CM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mfRN0ZpL5s





Lady of Kazan Black Madonna Our Lady of Kazan

RT's Anissa Naouai reports on what's become a real party rush:


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Гатчинский район, пос. Суйда, ул. Центральная, 4
Время работы: с 10.00 до 17.00, выходные - понедельник и вторник

Музей был открыт в 1999 г. Находится на территории бывшего поместья А.П. Ганнибала - прадеда А.С.Пушкина по материнской линии. Барский дом сгорел в 1897 г. Уцелели каменный гостевой флигель, дом упpавляющего, конюшня, а также пруд и парк, где находятся знаменитое Лукоморье и каменный диван-скамья. Музей занимает часть усадебного флигеля, который сейчас принадлежит ОПХ "Суйда".


http://www.lentravel.ru/rayons?r=2393


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http://www.powells.com/review/2005_10_02.html

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quote:
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Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child

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blah..blah....

Lol! [Razz] [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by KoKaKoLa:
poor facts
must be crawling under a rock right know

And crying.
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quote:
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Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child

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^Now, go suck on one.

The early apocryphal texts also describe Jesus as fair haired and pale.

The afronut retards will claim these texts are 'fabrications', but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair, lol.

So even the churches in africa have known for a long time that the characters that feature in the Bible - are all white.

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Cass - "but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair".

He,he,he:

Here is a link to the book of Enoch, could you please show us that part?


http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/ethiopian/enoch/1watchers/watchers.htm

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malibudusul - Please don't post any porn here, I have Cass cornered, and I don't want to waste it.
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quote:
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Originally posted by facts:
Earliest European depiction of Mary and Child

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^Now, go suck on one.

The early apocryphal texts also describe Jesus as fair haired and pale.

The afronut retards will claim these texts are 'fabrications', but note that the ETHIOPIAN Book of Enoch describes Noah as a white man with blonde hair, lol.

So even the churches in africa have known for a long time that the characters that feature in the Bible - are all white.

This crappy image was already debunked in a post prior to this. All you need to do, is scroll up a few posts.


Hebrews as they were during ancient days; Flavius Josephus describes a man like them, referring at the individual Jesus/ Joshua Ben Pantera as: Short, dark skinned, with curly/ frizzy hair. And underdeveloped beard. So where does that other image comes from?

The Qumran in Israel speaks of Moshe in similair way. The oral tradition of the Copts says the same.


Your history and culture is wodan, witch craved, wicca and such. From the caves and the forest of Europe. Christianity spread due to the invasion of the Roman army into Europe. Leaving people only with two choices.

It was convert to the sola scriptura or die! So they added water to the whine. This is why there are still elements in European Christianity mixed up with original traditions. Santa Claus is one of them. Easter bunny is another one. The Christmas tree and so on...

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The Biblical characters are Caucasoid -

Noah is decribed as fair haired in the Qumran Scrolls (4Qmess ar), while the Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) describes him as white skinned:

Book of Enoch

''10. THE BOOK OF METHUSELAH

106.1 And after those days my son Methuselah chose a wife for his son Lamech and she became pregnant by him and bore a son.
106.2 And his body was white like snow, and red like the flower of a rose, and the hair of his head was white like wool. And his eyes were beautiful and when he opened his eyes he made the whole house bright, like the Sun, so that the whole house was exceptionally bright.''

King David is described as red-haired (1 Samuel 17:42; 1 Samuel 16:12).

A description of Sarah, Abraham's wife, in the seventh Dead Sea Scroll:

''Her skin was pure white;
'She had long lovely hair;
Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely)
'She had slender legs and small feet;
'Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers''

- pale skin, long flowing hair.

There are no Negroids in the Bible, the limited geographical setting only deals with Caucasoids.

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^Chapter 106

1 And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became
2 pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house
3 was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.

4 And his father Lamech was afraid of him and
5 fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his
6 countenance is glorious.

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NOTHING NEW THERE CASS, IT'S AN OLD STORY IN AFRICA.


Tanzania's President Seeks Help in Nationwide Witch Hunt

President Jakaya Kikwete, having banned witchcraft in January, is asking for his people's help in anonymously reporting albino killers.

The East African reports that witches in Tanzania have help in neighboring Burundi, considered the poorest country in the world by the IMF; albinos are kidnapped there and taken across the border to Tanzania to be killed.

Practitioners of witchcraft in Tanzania believe that albinos have mystical powers that can be transferred through potions made from their body parts. As a result, Tanzania has had several attacks against albinos since 2007, including attacks on two mothers by machete-wielding gang members who were after their albino children.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^Chapter 106

1 And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became
2 pregnant by him and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house
3 was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.

4 And his father Lamech was afraid of him and
5 fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his
6 countenance is glorious.

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NOTHING NEW THERE CASS, IT'S AN OLD STORY IN AFRICA.


Tanzania's President Seeks Help in Nationwide Witch Hunt

President Jakaya Kikwete, having banned witchcraft in January, is asking for his people's help in anonymously reporting albino killers.

The East African reports that witches in Tanzania have help in neighboring Burundi, considered the poorest country in the world by the IMF; albinos are kidnapped there and taken across the border to Tanzania to be killed.

Practitioners of witchcraft in Tanzania believe that albinos have mystical powers that can be transferred through potions made from their body parts. As a result, Tanzania has had several attacks against albinos since 2007, including attacks on two mothers by machete-wielding gang members who were after their albino children.

Ironically Lembas are Tanzanian.


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Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa".

Thomas MG, Parfitt T, Weiss DA, Skorecki K, Wilson JF, le Roux M, Bradman N, Goldstein DB.
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The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.


Abstract

The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from "Sena." "Sena" is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the "Cohen modal haplotype," which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000-5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
The Biblical characters are Caucasoid -

Noah is decribed as fair haired in the Qumran Scrolls (4Qmess ar), while the Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) describes him as white skinned:

Book of Enoch

''10. THE BOOK OF METHUSELAH

106.1 And after those days my son Methuselah chose a wife for his son Lamech and she became pregnant by him and bore a son.
106.2 And his body was white like snow, and red like the flower of a rose, and the hair of his head was white like wool. And his eyes were beautiful and when he opened his eyes he made the whole house bright, like the Sun, so that the whole house was exceptionally bright.''

King David is described as red-haired (1 Samuel 17:42; 1 Samuel 16:12).

A description of Sarah, Abraham's wife, in the seventh Dead Sea Scroll:

''Her skin was pure white;
'She had long lovely hair;
Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely)
'She had slender legs and small feet;
'Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers''

- pale skin, long flowing hair.

There are no Negroids in the Bible, the limited geographical setting only deals with Caucasoids.

The Bible is based on metaphors. Geographically these people were Hg J and E carriers. Nowhere does it speak of your negroes and cacasiods.


God Dwells In Thick Darkness!

Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].

Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.

Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.


Job.38
[9] when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,

Ps.18
[9] He bowed the heavens, and came down;
thick darkness was under his feet.

Ps.97
[2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him;
righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Isa.8
[22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.

Isa.60
[2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth,
and thick darkness the peoples;
but the LORD will arise upon you,
and his glory will be seen upon you.

Jer.2
[31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD.
Have I been a wilderness to Israel,
or a land of thick darkness?
Why then do my people say, `We are free,
we will come no more to thee'?

Ezek.34
[12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.

Joel.2
[2] a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness!
Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains
a great and powerful people;
their like has never been from of old,
nor will be again after them
through the years of all generations.

Zeph.1
[15] A day of wrath is that day,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of ruin and devastation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Sir.45
[5] He made him hear his voice,
and led him into the thick darkness,
and gave him the commandments face to face,
the law of life and knowledge,
to teach Jacob the covenant,
and Israel his judgments.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041014075543.htm

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7.1. Black God of Ancient Arabia and Israel

In 1985, German scholar Werner Daum published an important monograph, Ursemitische Religion ("Proto-Semitic Religion").[1] By a close study of ancient South Arabian inscriptions and modern Yemeni folktales and ritual practices, Daum was able to produce a convincing reconstruction of proto-Semitic Religion, or at least important aspects thereof. The proto-Semites are believed to have been the original speakers of that language (Proto-Semitic) from which the various Semitic languages derived (Arabic, Hebrew, Ugaritic, Akkadian, etc.). It has been suggested that they originated in the areas round the northern frontier of Syria,[2] and began diverging probably around 5000 B.C.E. As these Proto-Semites will eventually evolve into the Semites (Arabs, Hebrews, Canaanites, Akkadians, etc.), proto-Semitic religion will make an important contribution to the development of the Semitic religious tradition, even the Semitic monotheistic traditions (i.e. the so-called 'Religions of the Book'- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). Daum suggests that our best evidence for reconstructing the 'Ursemitische Religion' comes from southern Arabia.[3] The most important observation for our purposes is that, according to Daum's reconstruction, the high god of the proto-Semites was a black storm deity, rain being most valued in this part of the world, called "Il/"El/"Al. Now "l is the general appellative meaning 'god' and proper divine name in all the major branches of the Semitic family of languages[4]; from it derived the Hebrew "ŔlŮah thus the biblical "ŔlŮhîm, God")[5] and Arabic il§h (thus the qur"§nic aĎϧh, "God").[6] This ancient proto-Semitic deity was depicted as an old, bearded man and associated with the black rain cloud, black bovine* (ibex, bull, buffalo) and occasionally the black ostrich. These, Daum tells us, "symbolisiert den dunklen "Il (‚symbolized the dark "Il')."[7] In the ancient Near Eastern and India the black rain-cloud symbolized the god's black body[8] and the hide of the black bull signifies the skin of the black god.[9]

The British historian Julian Baldick followed up and expanded upon Daum's research with Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Religions.[10] Baldick's research suggested that, just as there is an 'Afroasiatic' language group indigenous to North Africa and Arabia (consisting of the Semitic languages, the ancient Egyptian language, Berber, Hausa, and the Kushitic and Omotic languages of the Horn of Africa) there is likewise an 'Afroasiatic' religious tradition indigenous to the same area and peculiar to the same groups. This 'Afroasiatic' religious tradition is characterized by a dualistic logic which emphasizes the male-female dichotomy and by a divine triad consisting of a Black storm god, a goddess, and a young hero god. Baldick notes:

'Afroasiatic' logic is in my view particularly dualistic and based on the opposition between male and female…(T)his logic is particularly directed towards obtaining water, and operates by combining a male storm-god, black and violent, with a female deity of the sun, white and vulnerable.[11]

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quote:
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You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.

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When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.

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The queen of heaven:
Mŕmma Schiavona (the black mother), the madonna of the Pignasecea: a delineation of the great idolatry - promoted by the teaching and authority of the Roman Catholic Church By Thomas W. L. Jones


quote:
"To the generality the conception idealized and realized is that the mother of Jesus was, a Negress, or of a very, very dark complexion"
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quote:
Originally posted by MANGO:
quote:
Originally posted by facts:
You are a fucking idiot if you think that this image depicts a racially black woman.

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When you have evidence that the description "Black" actually is related to race as oppose to what is commonly understood: that the word is metaphorically charged, hit us up.

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The queen of heaven:
Mŕmma Schiavona (the black mother), the madonna of the Pignasecea: a delineation of the great idolatry - promoted by the teaching and authority of the Roman Catholic Church By Thomas W. L. Jones
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quote:
"To the generality the conception idealized and realized is that the mother of Jesus was, a Negress, or of a very, very dark complexion"
Download the whole book

Clearly Cushitc.
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Dumb broad, the thick darkness the bible uses to describe the Lord's dwelling is the tempest and stormy clouds.


Exo 20.21. v'yaamod h'am merakhok u'moshe nigash el-h'arafel asher-sham h'Elohim

translation:

And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)

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Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!


quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


God Dwells In Thick Darkness!

Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].

Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.

Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.


Job.38
[9] when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,

Ps.18
[9] He bowed the heavens, and came down;
thick darkness was under his feet.

Ps.97
[2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him;
righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Isa.8
[22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.

Isa.60
[2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth,
and thick darkness the peoples;
but the LORD will arise upon you,
and his glory will be seen upon you.

Jer.2
[31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD.
Have I been a wilderness to Israel,
or a land of thick darkness?
Why then do my people say, `We are free,
we will come no more to thee'?

Ezek.34
[12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.

Joel.2
[2] a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness!
Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains
a great and powerful people;
their like has never been from of old,
nor will be again after them
through the years of all generations.

Zeph.1
[15] A day of wrath is that day,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of ruin and devastation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Sir.45
[5] He made him hear his voice,
and led him into the thick darkness,
and gave him the commandments face to face,
the law of life and knowledge,
to teach Jacob the covenant,
and Israel his judgments.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041014075543.htm


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quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by facts:
"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.

LOL! [Big Grin]

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I'm very happy with this one, but never saw it on the web before. Know it from a Recueil of le Vierge Noir etc..
There are 18 centure images of whites adoring these Black Madonna's, an unusual sight.

Black Madonna's also symbolise Black Superiority 1100-1848. Some were destroyed around the French Revolution. The Black elite saw divinity as Black and superior.

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quote:
Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:
Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:
Originally posted by facts:
"Madonnas were intended to represent a more motherly, feminine figure through the use of earthy skin tones. According to this theory, light-skinned Madonnas are more suggestive of purity and chastity than of an eternal feminine power.

LOL! [Big Grin]

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I'm very happy with this one, but never saw it on the web before. Know it from a Recueil of le Vierge Noir etc..
There are 18 centure images of whites adoring these Black Madonna's, an unusual sight.

Black Madonna's also symbolise Black Superiority 1100-1848. Some were destroyed around the French Revolution. The Black elite saw divinity as Black and superior.


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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_slalK5PhgaE/SuS2yd38VsI/AAAAAAAADHM/rsHzctyArrY/s1600-h/751d.jpg

http://yourworldreligions.blogspot.com.br/2009/10/images-of-divine-feminine-western.html

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You'd do real well to hush your pie hole on matters which evade your comprehension of scripture, fool. The Hebrews ALWAYS used observed realities to express as metaphors, pointing to higher social, intellectual and spiritual meanings. So, while their writing is filled with metaphors, these are all rooted in actual persons, places and things. The example Cass provided is an excellent one as it points to an historical event which the Hebrews interpreted to mean something spiritual. Noah was born with Aryan features that the Hebrews only knew to be associated with the gods (angels). Thus, his birth signaled an apocalyptic event on the horizon.

Now, shut your trap. You have been schooled, once again.


quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
The Bible is based on metaphors.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by malibudusul:
[QB] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_slalK5PhgaE/SuS2yd38VsI/AAAAAAAADHM/rsHzctyArrY/s1600-h/751d.jpg

more info please.

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I found this image
in this site
no information

"In the shrine... as it looked. Note she is black, like the black Madonna's in churches of central Europe. What does the black color symbolize?"

http://yourworldreligions.blogspot.com.br/2009/10/images-of-divine-feminine-western.html

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Here is a more precise translation to clarify "thick darkness," a term Dr. Wesley Muhommed has grossly misinterpreted. He now promotes his doctrine on God is enshrouded in blackness (implying he is Black) in the Afro-Islamic conscious circle.

Exo 20.21. v'yaamod h'am merakhok u'moshe nigash el-h'arafel asher-sham h'Elohim

translation:

Exo 20.21 And the people remained at a distance and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)

The word in question is "arafel." Scholars contend that the word originates in the three-stem Qal root - Ayin, resh, phe(fe); Araf means to drop or drip -it is in this root that the notion of descending (drop) storm clouds -arafel- is derived. We see this contextual meaning applied in Deut. 32.2 and 33.28.

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eg is
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quote:
Originally posted by facts:
You'd do real well to hush your pie hole on matters which evade your comprehension of scripture, fool. The Hebrews ALWAYS used observed realities to express as metaphors, pointing to higher social, intellectual and spiritual meanings. So, while their writing is filled with metaphors, these are all rooted in actual persons, places and things. The example Cass provided is an excellent one as it points to an historical event which the Hebrews interpreted to mean something spiritual. Noah was born with Aryan features that the Hebrews only knew to be associated with the gods (angels). Thus, his birth signaled an apocalyptic event on the horizon.

Now, shut your trap. You have been schooled, once again.


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Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
The Bible is based on metaphors.


Noah was most likely a Sumerian king or ruler. Most of Genesis after all is rooted in pre-Semitic Mesopotamian history. There are certain parallels between Noah and the Sumerian and Babylonian flood hero's, for example Ziusudra (Xisuthros), all who seem to have been rooted on a Sumerian historical figure. So most the Bible is in fact historically valid, the archaeologist Leonard Woolley claimed to have discovered the flood strata at Ur, so the flood was probably localised. The Hebrew for 'earth' (eretz) does not mean the entire globe, but just a localised area.

"the storm had swept...for seven days and seven nights" — Ziusudra 203
"For seven days and seven nights came the storm" — Atrahasis III,iv, 24
"Six days and seven nights the wind and storm" — Gilgamesh XI, 127
"rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights" — Genesis 7:12

Now if we take a look at the extent of geography the Book of Genesis deals with:

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- The ethnography only deals with Caucasoids, predominantly from Western Asia, but small segments of Europe were known such as Greece, and only the northern tip of north africa.

Negroids from sub-sahara africa were not known until far later in antiquity.

Paul Heinisch in his History of the Old Testament (1952) notes that the Jews had no knowledge of Negroids and in regards to the ethnographic table (Gen. x) he clearly points out (p. 32):

''No reference is made to the Indians, Negroes, Mongolians, Malayans, Chinese, Japanese, etc.
The author names only the peoples within his sphere of knowledge.''

The Ethiopia (Kush) of Genesis is Arabia.

''And the name of the third river is the Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates'' (Gen. ii. 14; ESV).

The Tigris and Euphrates do not flow into Africa and as Professor Alexander Winchell (1880) asserts: ''As long as we locate Kush in the heart of Africa, this passage is unintelligible; but when we seek for Kush in the Arabian peninsula, we apprehend at least a geographical relation to the rivers of Eden'' (Preadamites, p. 91).

Alternitively Kush could have been in Mesopotamia, as you had the Kassites and Kish, but i prefer to think of it being in Arabia, but whatever its exact location it was not in africa.

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quote:
Originally posted by facts:
Here is a more precise translation to clarify "thick darkness," a term Dr. Wesley Muhommed has grossly misinterpreted. He now promotes his doctrine on God is enshrouded in blackness (implying he is Black) in the Afro-Islamic conscious circle.

Exo 20.21. v'yaamod h'am merakhok u'moshe nigash el-h'arafel asher-sham h'Elohim

translation:

Exo 20.21 And the people remained at a distance and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)

The word in question is "arafel." Scholars contend that the word originates in the three-stem Qal root - Ayin, resh, phe(fe); Araf means to drop or drip -it is in this root that the notion of descending (drop) storm clouds -arafel- is derived. We see this contextual meaning applied in Deut. 32.2 and 33.28.

Hey have you seen this disturbing video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuPzkahpyGQ

[Eek!]

The black hebrew israelite nuts now have white followers.

Still the same bullshit.

They go to revelation and claim Jesus is described as afro (wooly) haired. When it says his head is WHITE *like* wool. It's not describing any texture but the colour. Last time i checked negroids don't have white heads... [Roll Eyes]

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The power of the dick maybe?? even if they are Hebrew Israelite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66m5QMIe4d0&feature=relmfu
But here you have an Asian man arguing the same Cassis..but in any case I really don't care I hope it annoys you.. [Big Grin]

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-God covers his nakedness in whiteness-

So, while Wesley argues that God dwells or hides himself in thick darkness, God also envelops his nakedness in PURE WHITENESS. Why doesn't he teach that too? He is a charlatan with a Ph.d. But of course, his following is the deaf, dumb, and blind, thereby, he is able to present a salable pseudo teaching to these fools like Troll Patrol.

Take a look for yourself:

Daniel 7.9 (in-part): "[L]evushe k'tlag khivar..."

Translation:

"[His] vestment is pale as snow"

A stronger argument can be made that the color white is closer to God's essence as it is closer in proximity to his being.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist:
Hey have you seen this disturbing video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuPzkahpyGQ

[Eek!]

The black hebrew israelite nuts now have white followers.

Still the same bullshit.

RFLOL!! She is probably a nigga lover LOL! Wacko world, huh?!


quote:

They go to revelation and claim Jesus is described as afro (wooly) haired. When it says his head is WHITE *like* wool. It's not describing any texture but the colour. Last time i checked negroids don't have white heads... [Roll Eyes]

Yea, the BHI is filled with semi-literate and illiterate buffoons. You'd expect them to make a blunder like that.
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Sometimes, I think the whole BHI movement is some kind of Bizarro world episode LMAO!


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The power of the dick maybe?? even if they are Hebrew Israelite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66m5QMIe4d0&feature=relmfu
But here you have an Asian man arguing the same Cassis..but in any case I really don't care I hope it annoys you.. [Big Grin]


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The ancient Hebrews were obviously Caucasoid, predominantly Mediterranid and Armenoid but they had some fairer traits through admixture with the Hittites (Leuco-Syrians). Laban ('white'), the uncle of Jacob, derived his name for his pale complexion, while his daughter, Leah, is described as blue eyed (Gen. 29: 17). King David, who was of probable Hittite ancestry, is described as red-haired in 1 Samuel.

This is how the Dead Sea Scrolls describe Noah:

4Q534 [4QMess ar]) Col. I ; from the hand two [. . .] a mark; red is his hair

It is evident from scripture alone, based on the ethnological or racial description of traits: red hair, blue eyes etc, that these peoples were Caucasoid.

The afrocentrics like to claim the Hebrews had afro hair texture, not true - just their fantasy.

A close-up of Jehu, king of Israel from the Black Obelisk (housed in the British Museum) -

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You can clearly see he has wavy straight flowing hair, obviously not a negro.

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Cass - Why are you so silly?

Note your source: Ancientreplicas.com

You DO know what "Replica" means, don't you?

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^ It's just a website hosting the image i got off a google search.

The black obelisk is in the British Museum. It's an original artefact, i've seen it up close numerous times.

The Hebrews appear on this artefact as Caucasoid. There is nothing black about them.

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1) first, I am a Male, 6.2 Ft., 216 LBS athletic built former martial artist.


2) you are the last one to call anyone dumb, after the amount of slappings you've received time and time again!

3) What is it Wesley Muhammed has to do, with any of what I've cited from the Biblical source? did he write the Bible or even alter the Bible? My citations have nothing to do with his works, not that I am aware of, at least! I have a TANAKH RIGHT HERE AT HOME!


However, his works are internationally recognised by peer reviewed academic sources. Calling his works pseudo is laughable! Where are your works?! lol


4) Finally, your AshkeNazi babbles are meaningless, since I already have explained that the TANAKH IS BASED ON METAPHORS!


5) It doesn't matter what account you use and login with, you will aways be debunked. AS USUALLY!

MY PENTATEUCH Says

20:21(S:Maftir) מזבח אדמה תעשׂה־לי וזבחת עליו את־עלתיך ואת־שׁלמיך את־צאנך ואת־בקרך בכל־המקום אשׁר אזכיר את־שׁמי אבוא אליך וברכתיך׃

The cloud is a mental / spiritual condition. And so are the descriptions on COLOURS!!!!

Some of the individuals never existed in physical form, only in metaphysical and spiritual form!!

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Dumb broad, the thick darkness the bible uses to describe the Lord's dwelling is the tempest and stormy clouds.


Exo 20.21. v'yaamod h'am merakhok u'moshe nigash el-h'arafel asher-sham h'Elohim

translation:

And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)

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Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!


quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


God Dwells In Thick Darkness!

Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].

Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.

Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.


Job.38
[9] when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,

Ps.18
[9] He bowed the heavens, and came down;
thick darkness was under his feet.

Ps.97
[2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him;
righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Isa.8
[22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.

Isa.60
[2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth,
and thick darkness the peoples;
but the LORD will arise upon you,
and his glory will be seen upon you.

Jer.2
[31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD.
Have I been a wilderness to Israel,
or a land of thick darkness?
Why then do my people say, `We are free,
we will come no more to thee'?

Ezek.34
[12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.

Joel.2
[2] a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness!
Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains
a great and powerful people;
their like has never been from of old,
nor will be again after them
through the years of all generations.

Zeph.1
[15] A day of wrath is that day,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of ruin and devastation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Sir.45
[5] He made him hear his voice,
and led him into the thick darkness,
and gave him the commandments face to face,
the law of life and knowledge,
to teach Jacob the covenant,
and Israel his judgments.

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quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
1) first, I am a Male, 6.2 Ft., 194 LBS athletic built former martial artist.


2) you are the last one to call anyone dumb, after the amount of slappings you've received time and time again!

3) What is it Wesley Muhammed has to do, with any of what I've cited from the Biblical source? did he write the Bible or even alter the Bible? My citations have nothing to do with his works, not that I am aware of, at least!


However, his works are internationally recognised by peer reviewed academic sources. Calling his works pseudo is laughable! Where are your works?! lol


4) Finally, your AshkeNazi babbles are meaningless, since I already have explained that the TENACH IS BASED ON METAPHORS!


5) It doesn't matter what account you use and login with, you will aways be debunked. AS USUALLY!


quote:
Originally posted by facts:
Dumb broad, the thick darkness the bible uses to describe the Lord's dwelling is the tempest and stormy clouds.


Exo 20.21. v'yaamod h'am merakhok u'moshe nigash el-h'arafel asher-sham h'Elohim

translation:

And the people remained [from a] distant and Moshe approached the tempestuous cloud which there was [found] Elohim (God.)

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Get off Wesley Muhommed's pseudo dick!


quote:
Originally posted by Troll Patrol:


God Dwells In Thick Darkness!

Exd 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].

Deu 4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

2Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

Zep 1:15 That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

2Sa 22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies.

Psa 18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him [were] dark waters [and] thick clouds of the skies.


Job.38
[9] when I made clouds its garment,
and thick darkness its swaddling band,

Ps.18
[9] He bowed the heavens, and came down;
thick darkness was under his feet.

Ps.97
[2] Clouds and thick darkness are round about him;
righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Isa.8
[22] and they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be thrust into thick darkness.

Isa.60
[2] For behold, darkness shall cover the earth,
and thick darkness the peoples;
but the LORD will arise upon you,
and his glory will be seen upon you.

Jer.2
[31] And you, O generation, heed the word of the LORD.
Have I been a wilderness to Israel,
or a land of thick darkness?
Why then do my people say, `We are free,
we will come no more to thee'?

Ezek.34
[12] As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness.

Joel.2
[2] a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness!
Like blackness there is spread upon the mountains
a great and powerful people;
their like has never been from of old,
nor will be again after them
through the years of all generations.

Zeph.1
[15] A day of wrath is that day,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of ruin and devastation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Sir.45
[5] He made him hear his voice,
and led him into the thick darkness,
and gave him the commandments face to face,
the law of life and knowledge,
to teach Jacob the covenant,
and Israel his judgments.

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When the Old Testament was written, blacks were thousands of miles away in sub-sahara africa. The authors of the Old Testament didn't even know Negroids existed. Are you so dumb you think Biblical ethnography is not limited? Would you like to show me then where the eskimos, australian aborigines or black sub-saharan africans are in scripture? [Roll Eyes] The authors had zero knowledge of lands outside of western asia, apart from the tip of north africa and a segment of europe. You simply aren't going to find negroes, abos or eskimos in scripture because the authors had no idea they existed.
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Cass - When you run across the Albino, please point him out.


Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II


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(NOTE: HITTITES ARE OFTEN MENTIONED - WHITE MAN MYTH, THERE NEVER WERE ANY SUCH PEOPLE AS HITTITES. NO DOUBT THE ASSYRIANS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HATTI.


Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II

Translation





Text Source:

* Library collection: "World's Greatest Literature"
* Published work: "Babylonian and Assyrian Literature"
* Translator: Rev. A. H. Sayce, M.A.
* Publisher: P. F. Collier & Son, New York
* Copyright: Colonial Press, 1901

The text is indexed by lines, and every 5th line is marked with a HTML anchor for referencing.

Notes - (Page 238)

This inscription is engraved on an obelisk of black marble, five feet in height, found by Mr. Layard in the centre of the Mound at Nimroud, and now in the British Museum. Each of its four sides is divided into five compartments of sculpture representing the tribute brought to the Assyrian King by vassal princes, Jehu of Israel being among the number. Shalmaneser, whose annals and conquests are recorded upon it, was the son of Assur-natsir-pal, and died in 823 B.C., after a reign of thirty-five years. A translation of the inscription was one of the first achievements of Assyrian decipherment, and was made by Sir. H. Rawlinson; and Dr. Hincks shortly afterward (in 1851) succeeded in reading the name of Jehu in it. M. Oppert translated the inscription in his "Histoire des Empires de Chaldee et d'Assyrie," and M. Menant has given another rendering of it in his "Annales des Rois d'Assyrie" (1874). A copy of the text will be found in Layard's "Inscriptions in the Cuneiform Character" (1851).

Note: Jehu of Israel is not actually in the text: it is in the Epigraphs accompanying the sculptures as "Yahua son of Khumri".



Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser II
(Pages 238-249)

Face A

[1] Assur, the great Lord, the King of all
[2] the great gods; Anu, King of the spirits of heaven
[3] and the spirits of earth, the god, Lord of the world; Bel
[4] the Supreme, Father of the gods, the Creator;
[5] Hea, King of the deep, determiner of destinies,
[6] the King of crowns, drinking in brilliance;
[7] Rimmon, the crowned hero, Lord of canals; the Sun-god
[8] the Judge of heaven and earth, the urger on of all;
[9] (Merodach), Prince of the gods, Lord of battles; Adar, the terrible,
[10] (Lord) of the spirits of heaven and the spirits of earth, the exceeding strong god; Nergal,
[11] the powerful (god), King of the battle; Nebo, the bearer of the high sceptre,
[12] the god, the Father above; Beltis, the wife of Bel, mother of the (great) gods;
[13] Istar, sovereign of heaven and earth, who the face of heroism perfectest;
[14] the great (gods), determining destinies, making great my kingdom.
[15] (I am) Shalmaneser, King of multitudes of men, prince (and) hero of Assur, the strong King,
[16] King of all the four zones of the Sun (and) of multitudes of men, the marcher over
[17] the whole world; Son of Assur-natsir-pal, the supreme hero, who his heroism over the gods
[18] has made good and has caused all the world to kiss his feet;

Face B

[19] the noble offspring of Tiglath-Adar
[20] who has laid his yoke upon all lands hostile to him, and
[21] has swept (them) like a whirlwind.
[22] At the beginning of my reign, when on the throne
[23] of royalty mightily I had seated myself, the chariots
[24] of my host I collected. Into the lowlands of the country of 'Sime'si
[25] I descended. The city of Aridu, the strong city
[26] of Ninni, I took. In my first year
[27] the Euphrates in its flood I crossed. To the sea of the setting sun
[28] I went. My weapons on the sea I rested. Victims
[29] for my gods I took. To mount Amanus I went up.
[30] Logs of cedar-wood and pine-wood I cut. To
[31] the country of Lallar I ascended. An image of my Royalty in the midst (of it) I erected.
[32] In my second year to the city of Tel-Barsip I approached. The cities
[33] of Akhuni the son of Adin I captured. In his city I shut him up. The Euphrates
[34] in its flood I crossed. The city of Dabigu, a choice city of the Hittites
[35] together with the cities which (were) dependent upon it I captured. In my third year Akhuni
[36] the son of Adin, from the face of my mighty weapons fled, and the city of Tel-Barsip,

Face C

[37] his royal city, he fortified. The Euphrates I crossed.
[38] The city unto Assyria I restored. I took it. (The town) which (is) on the further side
[39] of the Euphrates which (is) upon the river 'Sagurri, which the Kings
[40] of the Hittites call the city of Pitru,
[41] for myself I took. At my return
[42] into the lowlands of the country of Alzi I descended. The country of Alzi I conquered.
[43] The countries of Dayaeni (and) Elam, (and) the city of Arzascunu, the royal city
[44] of Arame of the country of the Armenians, the country of Gozan (and) the country of Khupuscia.
[45] During the eponymy of Dayan-Assur from the city of Nineveh I departed. The Euphrates
[46] in its upper part I crossed. After Akhuni the son of Adin I went.
[47] The heights on the banks of the Euphrates as his stronghold he made.
[48] The mountains I attacked, I captured. Akhuni with his gods, his chariots,
[49] his horses, his sons (and) his daughters I carried away. To my city Assur
[50] I brought (them). In that same year the country of Kullar I crossed. To the country of Zamua
[51] of Bit-Ani I went down. The cities of Nigdiara of the city of the Idians
[52] (and) Nigdima I captured. In my fifth year to the country of Kasyari I ascended.
[53] The strongholds I captured. Elkhitti of the Serurians (in) his city I shut up. His tribute
[54] to a large amount I received. In my sixth year to the cities on the banks of the river Balikhi

Face D

[55] I approached. Gi'ammu, their Governor, I smote.
[56] To the city of Tel-abil-akhi I descended.
[57] The Euphrates in its upper part I crossed.
[58] The tribute of the Kings of the Hittites
[59] all of them I received. In those days Rimmon-idri
[60] of Damascus, Irkhulina of Hamath,. and the Kings
[61] of the Hittites and of the sea-coasts to the forces of each other
[62] trusted, and to make war and battle
[63] against me came. By the command of Assur, the great Lord, my Lord,
[64] with them I fought. A destruction of them I made.
[65] Their chariots, their war-carriages, their war-material I took from them.
[66] 20,500 of their fighting men with arrows I slew.
[67] In my seventh year to the cities of Khabini of the city of Tel-Abni I went.
[68] The City of Tel-Abni, his stronghold, together with the cities which (were) dependent on it I captured.
[69] To the head of the river, the springs of the Tigris, the place where the waters rise, I went.
[70] The weapons of Assur in the midst (of it) I rested. Sacrifices for my gods I took. Feasts and rejoicing
[71] I made. An image of my Royalty of large size I constructed. The laws of Assur my Lord, the records
[72] of my victories, whatsoever in the world I had done, in the midst of it I wrote. In the middle (of the country) I set (it) up.

Face A, base

[73] In my eighth year, Merodach-suma-iddin King of Gan-Dunias
[74] did Merodach-bila-yu'sate his foster-brother against him rebel;
[75] strongly had he fortified (the land). To exact punishment
[76] against Merodach-suma-iddin I went. The city of the waters of the Dhurnat I took.
[77] In my ninth campaign a second time to the land of Accad I went.
[78] The city of Gana-nate I besieged. Merodach-bila-yu'sate exceeding fear
[79] of Assur (and) Merodach overwhelmed, and to save his life to
[80] the mountains he ascended. After him I rode. Merodach-bila-yu'sate (and) the officers
[81] the rebels who (were) with him (with) arrows I slew. To the great fortresses
[82] I went. Sacrifices in Babylon, Borsippa, (and) Cuthah I made.
[83] Thanksgivings to the great gods I offered up. To the country of Kaldu I descended. Their cities I captured.
[84] The tribute of the Kings of the country of Kaldu I received. The greatness of my arms as far as the sea overwhelmed.
[85] In my tenth year for the eighth time the Euphrates I crossed. The cities of 'Sangara of the city of the Carchemishians I captured.
[86] To the cities of Arame I approached. Arne his royal city with 100 of his (other) towns I captured.
[87] In my eleventh year for the ninth time the Euphrates I crossed. Cities to a countless number I captured. To the cities of the Hittites
[88] of the land of the Hamathites I went down. Eighty-nine cities I took. Rimmon-idri of Damascus (and) twelve of the Kings of the Hittites
[89] with one another's forces strengthened themselves. A destruction of them I made. In my twelfth campaign for the tenth time the Euphrates I crossed.
[90] To the land of Pagar-khubuna I went. Their spoil I carried away. In my thirteenth year to the country of Yaeti I ascended.
[91] Their spoil I carried away. In my fourteenth year the country I assembled; the Euphrates I crossed. Twelve Kings against me had come.
[92] I fought. A destruction of them I made. In my fifteenth year among the sources of the Tigris (and) the Euphrates I went. An image
[93] of my Majesty in their hollows I erected. In my sixteenth year the waters of the Zab I crossed. To the country of Zimri
[94] I went. Merodach-mudammik King of the land of Zimru to save his life (the mountains) ascended. His treasure
[95] his army (and) his gods to Assyria I brought. Yan'su son of Khanban to the kingdom over them I raised.

Face B, base

[96] In my seventeenth year the Euphrates I crossed. To the land of Amanus I ascended. Logs
[97] of cedar I cut. In my eighteenth year for the sixteenth time the Euphrates I crossed. Hazael
[98] of Damascus to battle came. 1,221 of his chariots, 470 of his war-carriages with
[99] his camp I took from him. In my nineteenth campaign for the eighteenth time the Euphrates I crossed. To the land of Amanus
[100] I ascended. Logs of cedar I cut. In my 20th year for the 20th time the Euphrates
[101] I crossed. To the land of Kahue I went down. Their cities I captured. Their spoil
[102] I carried off. In my 21st campaign, for the 21st time the Euphrates I crossed. To the cities
[103] of Hazael of Damascus I went. Four of his fortresses I took. The tribute of the Tyrians,
[104] the Zidonians (and) the Gebalites I received. In my 22d campaign for the 22d time the Euphrates
[105] I crossed. To the country of Tabalu I went down. In those days (as regards) the 24
[106] Kings of the country of Tabalu their wealth I received. To conquer
[107] the mines of silver, of salt and of stone for sculpture I went. In my 23d year
[108] the Euphrates I crossed. The city of Uetas, his strong city,
[109] (which belonged) to Lalla of the land of the Milidians I captured. The Kings of the country of Tabalu
[110] had set out. Their tribute I received. In my 24th year, the lower Zab
[111] I crossed. The land of Khalimmur I passed through. To the land of Zimru
[112] I went down. Yan'su King of the Zimri from the face
[113] of my mighty weapons fled and to save his life
[114] ascended (the mountains). The cities of 'Sikhisatakh, Bit-Tamul, Bit-Sacci
[115] (and) Bit-Sedi, his strong cities, I captured. His fighting men I slew.
[116] His spoil I carried away. The cities I threw down, dug up, (and) with fire burned.
[117] The rest of them to the mountains ascended. The peaks of the mountains
[118] I attacked, I captured. Their fighting men I slew. Their spoil (and) their goods
[119] I caused to be brought down. From the country of Zimru I departed. The tribute of 27 Kings
[120] of the country of Par'sua I received. From the country of Par'sua I departed. To
[121] the strongholds of the country of the Amadai, (and) the countries of Arazias (and) Kharkhar I went down.
[122] The cities of Cua-cinda, Khazzanabi, Ermul,
[123] (and) Cin-ablila with the cities which were dependent on them I captured. Their fighting men

Face C, base

[124] I slew. Their spoil I carried away. The cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. An image of my Majesty
[125] in the country of Kharkhara I set up. Yan'su son of Khaban with his abundant treasures
[126] his gods, his sons, his daughters, his soldiers in large numbers I carried off. To Assyria I brought (them). In my 25th campaign
[127] the Euphrates at its flood I crossed. The tribute of the Kings of the Hittites, all of them, I received. The country of Amanus
[128] I traversed. To the cities of Cati of the country of the Kahuians I descended. The city of Timur, his strong city
[129] I besieged, I captured. Their fighting men I slew. Its spoil I carried away. The cities to a countless number I threw down, dug up,
[130] (and) burned with fire. On my return, the city of Muru, the strong city of Arame the son of Agu'si,
[131] (as) a possession for myself I took. Its entrance-space I marked out. A palace, the seat of my Majesty, in the middle (of it) I founded.
[132] In my 26th year for the seventh time the country of the Amanus I traversed. For the fourth time to the cities of Cati
[133] of the country of the Kahuians I went. The city of Tanacun, the strong city of Tulca I approached. Exceeding fear
[134] of Assur my Lord overwhelmed him and (when) he had come out my feet he took. His hostages I took. Silver, gold,
[135] iron, oxen, (and) sheep, (as) his tribute I received. From the city of Tanacun I departed. To the country of Lamena
[136] I went. The men collected themselves. An inaccessible mountain they occupied. The peak of the mountain I assailed,
[137] I took. Their fighting men I slew. Their spoil, their oxen, their sheep, from the midst of the mountain I brought down.
[138] Their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. To the city of Khazzi I went. My feet they took. Silver (and) gold,
[139] their tribute, I received. Cirri, the brother of Cati to the sovereignty over them
[140] I set. On my return to the country of Amanus I ascended. Beams of cedar I cut,
[141] I removed, to my city Assur I brought. In my 27th year the chariots of my armies I mustered. Dayan-Assur
[142] the Tartan, the Commander of the wide-spreading army, at the head of my army to the country of Armenia I urged,
[143] I sent. To Bit-Zamani he descended. Into the low ground to the city of Ammas he went down. The river Arzane he crossed.
[144] 'Seduri of the country of the Armenians heard, and to the strength of his numerous host
[145] he trusted; and to make conflict (and) battle against me he came. With him I fought.
[146] A destruction of him I made. With the flower of his youth his broad fields I filled. In my 28th year
[147] when in the city of Calah I was stopping news had been brought (me, that) men of the Patinians
[148] Lubarni their Lord had slain (and) 'Surri (who was) not heir to the throne to the kingdom had raised.
[149] Dayan-Assur the Tartan, the Commander of the widespreading army at the head of my host (and) my camp
[150] I urged, I sent. The Euphrates in its flood he crossed. In the city of Cinalua his royal city
[151] a slaughter he made. (As for) 'Surri the usurper, exceeding fear of Assur my Lord
[152] overwhelmed him, and the death of his destiny he went. The men of the country of the Patinians from before the sight of my mighty weapons

Face D, base

[153] fled, and the children of 'Surri together with the soldiers, the rebels, (whom) they had taken they delivered to me.
[154] Those soldiers on stakes I fixed. 'Sa'situr of the country of Uzza my feet took. To the kingdom
[155] over them I placed (him). Silver, gold, lead, bronze, iron, (and) the horns of wild bulls to a countless number I received.
[156] An image of my Majesty of great size I made. In the city of Cinalua his royal city in the temple of his gods I set it up. In
[157] my 29th year (my) army (and) camp I urged, I sent. To the country of Cirkhi I ascended. Their cities I threw down,
[158] dug up, (and) burned with fire. Their country like a thunderstorm I swept. Exceeding
[159] fear over them I cast. In my 30th year when in the city of Calah I was stopping, Dayan-Assur
[160] the Tartan, the Commander of the wide-spreading army at the head of my army I urged, I sent. The river Zab
[161] he crossed. To the midst of the cities of the city of Khupusca he approached. The tribute of Datana
[162] of the city of the Khupuscians I received. From the midst of the cities of the Khupuscians
[163] I departed. To the midst of the cities of Maggubbi of the country of the Madakhirians he approached. The tribute
[164] I received. From the midst of the cities of the country of the Madakhirians he departed. To the midst of the cities of Udaci
[165] of the country of the Mannians he approached. Udaci of the country of the Mannians from before the sight of my mighty weapons
[166] fled, and the city of Zirta, his royal city, he abandoned. To save his life he ascended (the mountains).
[167] After him I pursued. His oxen, his sheep, his spoil, to a countless amount I brought back. His cities
[168] I threw down, dug up, (and) burned with fire. From the country of the Mannians he departed. To the cities of Sulu'sunu of the country of Kharru
[169] he approached. The city of Mairsuru, his royal city, together with the cities which depended on it he captured. (To) Sulu'sunu
[170] together with his sons mercy I granted. To his country I restored him. A payment (and) tribute of horses I imposed.
[171] My yoke upon him I placed. To the city of Surdira he approached. The tribute of Arta-irri
[172] of the city of the Surdirians I received. To the country of Par'sua I went down. The tribute of the Kings
[173] of the country of Par'sua I received. (As for) the rest of the country of Par'sua which did not reverence Assur, its cities
[174] I captured. Their spoil, their plunder to Assyria I brought. In my 31st year, the second time, the cyclical-feast
[175] of Assur and Rimmon I had inaugurated. At the time while I was stopping in the city of Calah, Dayan-Assur
[176] the Tartan, the Commander of my wide-spreading army, at the head of my army (and) my camp I urged, I sent.
[177] To the cities of Data of the country of Khupusca he approached. The tribute I received.
[178] To the city of Zapparia, a stronghold of the country of Muzatsira, I went. The city of Zapparia together with
[179] forty-six cities of the city of the Muzatsirians I captured. Up to the borders of the country of the Armenians
[180] I went. Fifty of their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire. To the country of Guzani I went down. The tribute
[181] of Upu of the country of the Guzanians, of the country of the Mannians, of the country of the Buririans, of the country of the Kharranians,
[182] of the country of the Sasganians, of the country of the Andians, (and) of the country of the Kharkhanians, oxen, sheep, (and) horses
[183] trained to the yoke I received. To the cities of the country of . . . I went down. The city of Perria
[184] (and) the city of Sitivarya, its strongholds, together with 22 cities which depended upon it, I threw down, dug up
[185] (and) burned with fire. Exceeding fear over them I cast. To the cities of the Parthians he went.
[186] The cities of Bustu, Sala-khamanu (and) Cini-khamanu, fortified towns, together with 23 cities
[187] which depended upon them I captured. Their fighting-men I slew. Their spoil I carried off. To the country of Zimri I went down.
[188] Exceeding fear of Assur (and) Merodach overwhelmed them. Their cities they abandoned. To
[189] inaccessible mountains they ascended. Two hundred and fifty of their cities I threw down, dug up (and) burned with fire.
[190] Into the lowground of Sime'si at the head of the country of Khalman I went down.

The Epigraphs accompanying the sculptures

[1] The tribute of 'Su'a of the country of the Guzanians: silver, gold, lead, articles of bronze, sceptres for the King's hand, horses (and) camels with double backs: I received.
[2] The tribute of Yahua son of Khumri: silver, gold, bowls of gold, vessels of gold, goblets of gold, pitchers of gold, lead, sceptres for the King's hand, (and) staves: I received.
[3] The tribute of the country of Muzri: camels with double backs, an ox of the river 'Saceya, horses, wild asses, elephants, (and) apes: I received.
[4] The tribute of Merodach-pal-itstsar of the country of the 'Sukhians: silver, gold, pitchers of gold, tusks of the wild bull, staves, antimony, garments of many colors, (and) linen: I received.
[5] The tribute of Garparunda of the country of the Patinians: silver, gold, lead, bronze, gums, articles of bronze, tusks of wild bulls, (and) ebony: I received.

End of Translation.


The following four pictures are of the Israelite part of the Black Obelisk.


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Cass - I think that this might be an authentic close-up of Jehu.

Never mind, the stone is too dull, must be a copy.

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