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Caucasian self-hatred? Or just plain old internalized racism?
Anglo_pyramidologist , you regularly point out that black people hate black features, and you seem to support the idea of pan-Aryan kinship with non-European 'Caucasians'/'Caucasoids'.
Thought it might be interesting to get your view on whether the below constitutes 'Caucasian' self-hatred?
Some of these videos are getting over 4 million hits.
Btw, according to youtube videos, most Black Women want biracial babies with white men since they don't want their children to have nappy hair. extreme self-hatred. Videos such as : Dating White Guys for "PRETTY BABIES'' are all over the place.
How many white women though upload videos claiming they want biracial children with black men? None do.
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You've raked over this before many a time. I'm bringing to the fore something you've, however, notably been silent on- 'Caucasian self-hatred'. What's your view on this, especially the video titled 'why british white girls date black guys and not asian guys?' Please don't evade the question.
'How many white women though upload videos claiming they want biracial children with black men? None do.'
That may be the case. It's interesting though that many Afro-Caribbean men have mixed-race children with white women. That is undeniable. The mixed-race child in the UK is typically the result of black/white parentage. Is it not?
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: [QB] ^ Yes, yes, yes and yes.
You've raked over this before many a time. I'm bringing to the fore something you've, however, notably been silent on- 'Caucasian self-hatred'. What's your view on this, especially the video titled 'why british white girls date black guys and not asian guys?' Please don't evade the question.
'How many white women though upload videos claiming they want biracial children with black men? None do.'
I answered your question. This subject on youtube is for freaks, rejects and loons, it has no bearing on reality. There are insecure white men who upload videos about how they date Oriental females, while insecure Black men upload how they like white females etcetc.
People involved in interracial relationships are deeply insecure, they know it is wrong, which is why they spend their time online youtube talking about it all day. Normal people don't upload such videos, or waste time on this topic. I mean how many happily married white male and white female couples are on youtube uploading videos about their relationships? None. The same goes for black male and black female. This whole topic is only dominated by insecure people who date outside their race. There are insecure people in all races.
quote:That may be the case. It's interesting though that many Afro-Caribbean men have mixed-race children with white women. That is undeniable. The mixed-race child in the UK is typically the result of black/white parentage. Is it not?
Black/White is not at all common, its looked down upon by virtually everyone, especially if a child is involved. The biggest ''mixed'' category in Britain is White-East Asian. Some alarming figures, something like 65% of East-Asian females here have a white partner.
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quote:Some alarming figures, something like 65% of East-Asian females here have a white partner.
Yeah, but dont you think that speaks to the fact that White Brits are self hating, I mean what happened why are they dating Indian chicks for, I thought according to you white women were glamorized the world over. And don't try that "Caucasian" Copout because in the past you put up Blond, Light Eyed women as proof that "Whites" are the most beautiful... so again, why are white British men dating Asian/Indian chicks and not white chicks..
Self Hate much?
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Another form of Self Hatred, Whites seem to emulate non European Culture
I notice alot of white guys down here get Tribal and esp. Chinese/Japanese Tattoos rather than Celtic designs and hardly ever anything of the Vikings, and never mind the Anglo Saxons. I doubt the ave. White American even knows who the Anglo Saxons are..lol
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Yes and let's not forget about the obsessive tanning (even when life-threatening), the lip injections, breast and now butt implants to mimic the African bodess. Posts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Cassi you cant judge self hatred just cause they dont want biracial children. White women want the long slender bodies of tropically Adapted Africans and will starve themselves to death trying to look like that. Dont expect Cassi to do anything tho to help cause he cant take his eyes off black women long enough. He is far more concerned with her problems than the life threatening problems his companion suffers knowin the risks. And they may not SAY they want biracials but they're tanning their skin to make it look the way it would if they mixed with black people!!!!
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@anglo Black/White is not at all common, its looked down upon by virtually everyone, especially if a child is involved.
You have NO credbility. Troll, are you blind? Advertisers commonly use black/white mixed race children in advertising campaigns and I saw one of your mates over at one of the fascist websites complain about the growing number of 'mulatto' footballers.
As for your statement The biggest ''mixed'' category in Britain is White-East Asian... it's incorrect.
'Mixed-race relationships are now so common that some ethnic groups - starting with African-Caribbean - will virtually disappear...'
Half of all men in Britain who have Caribbean heritage and are in a relationship already have partners of a different race. The same is true of one in five black African men, one in 10 Indian men and women and two out of five Chinese women
Over the past 14 years the number of children of Caribbean heritage with one white parent has risen from 39% to 49%. Among the Indian population it has increased from 3% to 11%, for Pakistanis from 1% to 4%, and for Chinese from 15% to 35%.
Fvcking idiot Anglo_pyramidologist also wrote: There are insecure people in all races. Don't you mean self-haters? When this 'insecurity' applies to black people you call it self-hatred, but when it's 'caucasians', then it's 'insecurity'. Whatever it is, is it the thing that drives white women to go to Africa and Jamaica for sexual tourism?
Ooh, that's an idea for another post on white women in search of big dick- 'White women who self hate'.
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Yes and let's not forget about the obsessive tanning (even when life-threatening), the lip injections, breast and now butt implants to mimic the African bodess.
Simpleton, most Caucasoids are naturally already a brown pigmentation, they don't need to tan.
This type of pigmentation (Luschan Scale: 16–21) is common across Southern Europe, it ranges from an olive or brunet-white to a medium brown.
Marco borriello (Ancestry: 100% Italian, Naples)
Another footballer (Ancestry: 100% Greek), who is even a more natural swarthy pigmentation:
For some strange reason you think all Europeans are a milky pale white. Very few are. Pale white skin in Europe is only limited to North and North-Western Europe, dummy take a look at any skin pigmentation map.
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^ LOL The above is no example of "brown". And is nowhere near the complexion the many 'sun-worshipers' and tan salon freaks want.
quote:Originally posted by Oshun: ^ i was about to say that lol
Cassi you cant judge self hatred just cause they dont want biracial children. White women want the long slender bodies of tropically Adapted Africans and will starve themselves to death trying to look like that. Dont expect Cassi to do anything tho to help cause he cant take his eyes off black women long enough. He is far more concerned with her problems than the life threatening problems his companion suffers knowin the risks. And they may not SAY they want biracials but they're tanning their skin to make it look the way it would if they mixed with black people!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @anglo Black/White is not at all common, its looked down upon by virtually everyone, especially if a child is involved.
You have NO credbility. Troll, are you blind? Advertisers commonly use black/white mixed race children in advertising campaigns and I saw one of your mates over at one of the fascist websites complain about the growing number of 'mulatto' footballers.
As for your statement The biggest ''mixed'' category in Britain is White-East Asian... it's incorrect.
'Mixed-race relationships are now so common that some ethnic groups - starting with African-Caribbean - will virtually disappear...'
Half of all men in Britain who have Caribbean heritage and are in a relationship already have partners of a different race. The same is true of one in five black African men, one in 10 Indian men and women and two out of five Chinese women
Over the past 14 years the number of children of Caribbean heritage with one white parent has risen from 39% to 49%. Among the Indian population it has increased from 3% to 11%, for Pakistanis from 1% to 4%, and for Chinese from 15% to 35%.
Fvcking idiot Anglo_pyramidologist also wrote: There are insecure people in all races. Don't you mean self-haters? When this 'insecurity' applies to black people you call it self-hatred, but when it's 'caucasians', then it's 'insecurity'. Whatever it is, is it the thing that drives white women to go to Africa and Jamaica for sexual tourism?
Ooh, that's an idea for another post on white women in search of big dick- 'White women who self hate'.
The Guardian, a loony-left newspaper is not a valid source. You need proper statistics from reliable data. Black-white matings in Britain are not common, a lot of people like to distort or self-invent statistics. The reality is as i already told you with proper stats - 98% of white women are married to white men.
Talking of proper statistics, according to the 2001 Census, ''mixed race'' people in UK are not even 3%. Bearing in mind this category is not only limited to Black-White, the amount of mixed race Black-White in UK is not even a single percent.
Get in reality please... You do realise the whole of Scotland has a Black population of less than 10,000? Most of UK, excluding the main cities have as little black immigrants. Just where exactly do you think these mass black - white pairings are going on? Answer: only in your sick mind. It's your depraved fantasy, in reality they rarely ever take place. They are 1% (if that) of the population...
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quote:Yes, it's the psychological syndrome of whites wanting to be like blacks but never to be black.
Paul Mooney said it best....tho he didn't put it quite that way.... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Yes, it's the psychological syndrome of whites wanting to be like blacks but never to be black. [/QB]
Funny, because that is exactly what Negroids do. Negroid females straighten their hair artificially to look white, get nose jobs etcetc but still self-identify as Black.
Negroid don't take pride in their broad traits and nappy hair. Everyone knows this.
Racial Psychology: Why Do Black People Want to be White? By Arthur Kemp
Imagine if, tomorrow morning, you woke up and found that every white woman you saw was wearing an Afro wig and had painted themselves black.
Not just one white woman, or even a few, or a “trend,” but EVERY white woman.
What would you think?
Would you think there was something strange going on?
Would you not wonder what would drive every white woman to want to hide their natural hair and deliberately adopt another race’s physical features?
You would, no doubt, think it very weird.
If EVERY white woman you saw was “trying to be black,” you would correctly assume that there was some deep, dark, psychological process at work.
Perhaps some sort self-hatred, envy, desire to emulate . . . something.
Doubtless there would be TV shows about the phenomenon, about what psychological sea-change had occurred to make this happen . . .
Yet strangely enough, almost all black people today have gone to the most extreme measures to appear as white as possible—and no-one has dared to explain it on a racial psychological level – except, of course, to blame white people for “racism.”
Black hair straighteners, or “relaxers” as they are now deviously called, have flooded the world market. They are as common in Africa as they are amongst black populations in Europe and America.
Everywhere you look, Black African females suddenly have straight or “good” hair, as they call it.
The black comedian Chris Rock has even made a film about the phenomenon, called “Good Hair” which revealed that his community spends $5,000 per treatment to get “good” (i.e. straight) hair and that the industry is worth $9 billion a year in America alone.
You hardly see a “natural” haired Black African person any more.
Not only the females, but also the men.
Black males, such as President Barack Obama, now keep their hair closely cropped to avoid being seen with “African” hair.
In addition, skin lighteners are all the rage, with a lighter skin tone being openly acknowledged as being “better” and associated with beauty and intelligence amongst black communities.
The Associated Press recently looked into why and how more and more people in Jamaica’s slums are “using skin bleaching cream to ‘lighten’ their complexions. Skin lightening is nothing new, especially in third world countries in Africa and also in India, which boasts the biggest marketplace for these dangerous creams.” According to the AP, “hardcore bleachers use illegal ointments smuggled into the Caribbean country that contain toxins like mercury, a metal that blocks production of melanin, which give skin its color, but can also be toxic.”
Hair relaxers are also dangerous chemicals which “work” by breaking the bonds which naturally strengthen hair. In other words, “straight” hair on Africans is chemically-damaged hair.
There are numerous side effects to hair relaxers, varying from extreme scalp burns to hair loss. One of the “unknown” side products (unknown to white people, at least) is something called “Temple Balm” which is applied to the temples of black females in an attempt to generate a full head of hair as part of the illusion.
White people are also mostly ignorant of the extent to which blacks wear wigs as part of their everyday wardrobe. In fact, most “long” hair that one sees on black females today is a wig or what is called a “hair extension” (fake or human hair bonded into the wearer’s real hair to create the illusion of long flowing locks).
This process actually requires glue and adhesive, another “side product” virtually unknown to white people.
The big questions remain: (1) why do black people, en masse, want to look like white people? And
(2) what would people say if ALL white females wanted to have Afro hair?
To answer the first question, some liberals and black activists have resorted to the old standby excuse: blame white “racism.”
This line first came to prominence in the 1960s, during the famous “Brown vs Board of Education,” which was a school desegregation court case in America. Part of the proceedings including a film of an experiment conducted by black activist Kenneth Clark.
Black children were shown two identical dolls, one dark-skinned and the other white-skinned. When asked which one they preferred, almost all chose white doll. This was presented to the court as “evidence” of racial stereotyping which segregation had caused, and was pivotal in persuading the court to order desegregation (the events are detailed outlined in Carleton Putnam’s book, Race and Reality).
The argument was that black children aspired to be white because of “racism” and segregation, and that if they were allowed to mix freely with whites, this sense of self-inferiority would vanish.
The interesting part is that this experiment was conducted once again in 2007 in New York City by a young black filmmaker, Kiri Davis. Using identical props, young black kids at a school in the city were asked to choose the “best” doll.
Six decades after desegregation, the results were identical.
The black children said that the white dolls were better and that the black dolls were bad. They even identified themselves with the black dolls, when specifically asked. The video, which unintentionally also reveals many other racial psychological insights, can be seen here.
In other words, sixty years plus of desegregation has not done away with the black desire to be white – and this is nowhere better reflected than in the huge hair relaxer and skin lightener business.
The blame for a “desire to be white” can therefore no longer be put at the door of “segregation” (i.e. white people’s fault.)
The real reason for the white doll experiment results, the hair relaxer and skin lightener craze, is simply that the white aesthetic norm is desired by all races.
This is the simple fact, and it is nothing short of wicked and malicious to “blame” white people for this reality.
If tomorrow morning, all white women started applying chemicals to themselves to look black and started wearing Afro wigs, society would question their psychological well-being, not blame black people.
The time is surely long past for some racial reality in the world today.
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Notice how he's dodging everyone!!! Brown people may be part Euro but they're still mixed and their SKIN is not "Caucasoid." Caucasoid doesnt refer to skin. Even if you try to say "OH well their bone face features are from their Euro side of the family" the skin is a mixture and we all know how popular tanning to look like that is. And we all know how popular thin, twiggy, tall women are among white women. The short stocky body type is loathed among Euro women despite it being more indigenous to cold adapted areas. Pale skin is losing its popularity too. Cassi can only by try to distract lol. Whine whine whine about how blacks hate this or that, but white people hate indigenous Euro features like pale skin and shorter body plans too LOL. The body plan they like is incredibly tropically adapted.
quote:If EVERY white woman you saw was “trying to be black,” you would correctly assume that there was some deep, dark, psychological process at work.
But they DO want tropically adapted or mixed features.
quote:Perhaps some sort self-hatred, envy, desire to emulate . . . something.
Doubtless there would be TV shows about the phenomenon, about what psychological sea-change had occurred to make this happen . . .
Yet strangely enough, almost all black people today have gone to the most extreme measures to appear as white as possible—and no-one has dared to explain it on a racial psychological level – except, of course, to blame white people for “racism.”
Black hair straighteners, or “relaxers” as they are now deviously called, have flooded the world market. They are as common in Africa as they are amongst black populations in Europe and America.
Funny I thought extreme was killing yourself and risking irreparable damage body starving. Eating disorder is a big problem and its cause girls wanna look like tropically adapted tall slender women. Yknow I thought extreme was riskin cancer to have skin prevalent in mixed people. Your standards are messed up. You think straightening is extreme and not the dieting, bronzing the skin? Who the fvck dies from a relaxer you delusional dumbass? Do relaxers or weave deprive vital parts of the body of nutrients they need to survive? And even if they did blacks wouldnt know it. White women KNOW they are harming their bodies and still do it. Im not bashing white women as bad people cause they have these problems. Im just sayin you are delusional thinking they dont have more extreme problems and demonstrate some kinda superiority cause they're "exempt" from this sorta thing. Oh and natural hairs picking up in popularity we been through this which Rock's documentary doesnt talk about. Its sensationalism to get money. You know it. Youve been told that many times but you just keep repeatin so you look like you still got something to say.
quote: The blame for a “desire to be white” can therefore no longer be put at the door of “segregation” (i.e. white people’s fault.)
Whites still segregate culture, housing and wont ever put blacks on the big screen unless as supporting characters. Desire for privileges whites have aint the same as wanting to be a white person.
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By the mid-point of the Middle Ages, whites from the Germanic Migration Movement were finally beginning to work their way into the black royal families that blanketed Europe as the Moors, Celts, etc.
However, before and after that point, whites began portraying those kings and queens who were black as white.
This is self-hatred gone wild as whites so hated their own identities they took on black identities.
The following shows this happened in every imaginable sphere from knighthood, to the portrayal of gods and historical figures.
Getting sun tans, liposuction treatment for the lips and buttocks, and the bustle itself all examples of dissatisfaction of self and envy of black.
Google "history, bustle, African" and you will see plenty of articles saying that it was the African woman (the bush woman) who was the inspiration for the bustle.
Let me just add to this by saying that these victorian designers may not have been influenced by Sara Baartman, but they were almost certainly influenced by African womens behinds. I cannot see anywhere in history of Europeans extending their bums out before contacts with Africans.
More self-hatred. The more whites imitate blacks, the more hatred and vitriol they have towards blacks as their envy and the inability to honestly claim they are black drives them mad.
Everywhere blacks were whites came and took over. Their envy is legion and insatiable. It is a sickness. They should be happy to be who they are - but what they are is whites pretending to be black. Tough position to be in.
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@anglo [BThe Guardian, a loony-left newspaper is not a valid source. You need proper statistics from reliable data.
You can shoot the messenger all you want - the research has been done, and the The Guardian simply reported it. Maybe you should e-mail the following and take issue with her findings? You can then come back and post the result of your communication- Lucinda Platt, author of the report and an academic at the Institute of Social and Economic Research at Essex University, describes the shift towards a mixed-race Britain as "dramatic".
You write that- Black-white matings in Britain are not common, a lot of people like to distort or self-invent statistics. The reality is as i already told you with proper stats - 98% of white women are married to white men.
If it were not common, then how do half of Afri-Caribbean men have white partners? And Over the past 14 years the number of children of Caribbean heritage with one white parent has risen from 39% to 49%. You can squirm all you want by stressing that 98% of white women are married to white menand say that the overall percentages for miscegenation are small, but you don't seem to make the logical connection with the fact that the Afro-Caribbean population is relatively small. If it was larger, you would see a correspondingly larger overall percentage number.
Get in reality please... You do realise the whole of Scotland has a Black population of less than 10,000? Most of UK, excluding the main cities have as little black immigrants.
Unfortunately for you, dummy, this supports the point I made above.
Just where exactly do you think these mass black - white pairings are going on?
So the report by Lucinda Platt and what people see in Britain's largest cities see everyday have no relevance whatsoever? Stupid troll. You're living proof that educational standards in the UK really have slipped over the last couple of decades.
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: @anglo [BThe Guardian, a loony-left newspaper is not a valid source. You need proper statistics from reliable data.
You can shoot the messenger all you want - the research has been done, and the The Guardian simply reported it. Maybe you should e-mail the following and take issue with her findings? You can then come back and post the result of your communication- Lucinda Platt, author of the report and an academic at the Institute of Social and Economic Research at Essex University, describes the shift towards a mixed-race Britain as "dramatic".
You write that- Black-white matings in Britain are not common, a lot of people like to distort or self-invent statistics. The reality is as i already told you with proper stats - 98% of white women are married to white men.
If it were not common, then how do half of Afri-Caribbean men have white partners? And Over the past 14 years the number of children of Caribbean heritage with one white parent has risen from 39% to 49%. You can squirm all you want by stressing that 98% of white women are married to white menand say that the overall percentages for miscegenation are small, but you don't seem to make the logical connection with the fact that the Afro-Caribbean population is relatively small. If it was larger, you would see a correspondingly larger overall percentage number.
Get in reality please... You do realise the whole of Scotland has a Black population of less than 10,000? Most of UK, excluding the main cities have as little black immigrants.
Unfortunately for you, dummy, this supports the point I made above.
Just where exactly do you think these mass black - white pairings are going on?
So the report by Lucinda Platt and what people see in Britain's largest cities see everyday have no relevance whatsoever? Stupid troll. You're living proof that educational standards in the UK really have slipped over the last couple of decades.
The mixed-race population in Britain is around 3%, but mixed 'Black-White' are 1%.
The black-white population in UK is 1% and you are the one claiming black-white unions are common. LMAO. You are the troll.
I've been all over UK. I rarely ever see what you are claiming are so common. They aren't, they are at 1%. As i told you interracialism is looked down upon by everyone. You are just an insecure black man with a fetish for white females so you want to claim black-white couples are common when in reality they rarely ever occur.
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The Guardian leaves out the BNP candidate for London Mayor
The left-wing Guardian newspaper has shown its true colours by listing all but one of the London Mayoral candidate’s manifestos. You can guess which candidate they left out from the list.
You can always rely on the BBC, the Guardian and the Independent for fairness and impartiality. NOT.
Britain's voting system is broke and undemocratic. A system which panders to ethnic minorities and discriminates against those who oppose left-wing, racist ideology.
To see the blatant disregard of democracy visit the washed out rag’s story here
*shudders @ the sight 15secs and worse 1min 13secs into it*
smh ^She tanned her face into leather
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1-- The Greeks institutionalized homosexual practices more, as opposed to mere tolerance of outliers. For example, the mighty Spartans institutionalized it as an integral part of their military training. Along long with the Spartans the famous 'Sacred Band" of Thebes was made of up 300 men joined in homosexual pairs- sleeping together and fighting together.
As regards the Spartans and others:
"..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the institution of institutionalized pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover."
--From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, 2003.pg 69-70
1A-- The Greek institutionalization of homosexual activity was heavily focused on pederasty:
In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23,
various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia. quote:
".. the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised."
2-- The Greeks embraced homosexuality and it also appears frequently among their major gods, as part of the package, without any apparent moral censure. It was simply accepted that the major gods would get in their gay action.
For example, Mighty Poseidon took Pelops, the son of Tantalus, to Mt. Olympus as his paramour. Hermes, the Greek messenger and trickster often known as the “cunning deceiver was a lover of both men and women. Hermes had several sons including Pan, the horned satyr who loved both men and women (giving birth to the English word “pansexual”). Romans gave Hermes the name of Mercury, and both traditions considered him to have invented masturbation.
Apollo enjoyed male on male activity, tragically killing Hyacinth, his beloved male lad, in a discus-throwing accident.
Mighty Zeus was no shirker at the rear, as his relationship with human male Ganymede reveals. Ever generous, Zeus gave Ganymede’s father a golden grapevine and/or a pair of horses in exchange for raping his son.
White Zeus was no shirker at hindquarters. Here he kidnaps and prepares to sodomize the white youth Ganymede ...
3-- The Greeks seem to have embraced homosexual activity widely although with certain qualifications, such as disapproval of male prostitutes outside certain areas, etc etc.
FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
"One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
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According to researchers Blumfield and Raymond who have written several books on homosexuality, the Greeks embraced the practice in many aspects of life, including in their militaries: --(Looking at gay and lesbian life, 1988, by Blumenfeld and Raymond: pg 153-179) QUOTE:
"It was not unusual for men to comment on the attractiveness of other men, or for them to express affection for one another. At least part of the reason for this fascination with physical attractiveness and sex is that the Greeks had developed into a culture that had a great deal of leisure time. They were not required to work constantly in order to survive. Blumenfeld and Raymond wrote: “Similarly, the Greek attitude toward sex was, for the most part, value-neutral. …And, though exclusive homosexuality was probably discouraged as a threat to the family, it was widely tolerated both for older men who had children and for younger men prior to marriage.” (Blumenfeld and Raymond 1988, 155)
The Greek military attitude toward homosexuality was that it brought a sense of comradeship. It was often believed that a person would fight harder to protect his unit if that unit included a lover or lovers. This unique form of male bonding is attributed by some to the greatness of the Greek military might. In spite of this encouragement of homosexual practices, the picture is different for those who were exclusively passive at anal sex. They were believed to be polluted, and to have become like women. Therefore, they were expelled from military service as untrustworthy.
Greek society only negatively defined homosexual activity when it was exclusive or related to prostitution by a citizen. In nearly every other instance, homosexual conduct was considered acceptable and practical. It was simply a way of enjoying the beauty and awesomeness of the male bodies that they revered so highly.
The attitude toward the family and education could have also played a role in the attitude toward homosexuality. The family was considered the basis for reproduction. Women were restricted in their sexual activity because they were needed in order to bear children. Men could have sex with either women or men, so long as they met their societal obligation to reproduce. This is probably why exclusive anal sex was prohibited. Catamites could not bear children for their partners.
Education was the responsibility of the teachers and philosophers. Girls were excluded from the education system that was designed to teach boys how to be men. The student was expected to respect and admire his teacher. The teacher was expected to gain the devotion and affection of his student. Therefore, homosexual conduct between a teacher and student was considered a valuable part of the education process. The family, on the other hand, was simply needed for procreation.
During the republic period, Cicero declared without challenge that there is nothing illegal about a man taking another to the country in order to enjoy his erotic sensual pleasures. Although one could easily have sex with his wife at home, a man in the baths, a prostitute in the brothel, and a slave in a dark corner, he would have only been criticized if he were not able to keep everything in its place."
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The Romans carried out extensive homosexual practice although "official" bans existed. Most of the bans did not object to the practices per se, but were primarily concerned about SOCIAL STATUS, such as when citizens were engaged in passive roles while being sodomized. Such roles were considered to belong to slaves or foreigners. As long as citizens exploited others in a passive role, Romans relished hindquarters action, as did some popular Roman deities.
Romans ascribed heroic aspects to some homosexual relations between military personnel. Nisus and Euryalus are a recognized heroic pair, with Nisus being an older mature man, while Euryalus is a teenager, not even shaving yet. Virgil endorses the homosexual relationship as "honorable, dignified and connected to central Roman values." This is in keeping with the general pattern of status-based Roman morality - - the more distinguished citizen sodomizes a more passive object, in this case not a slave, or foreigner but a youth. As long as status is maintained, many Romans found such pedarastic activity acceptable..
Roman rulers engaged in well known homosexual hookups
The well known homosexual relationship between the Emperor Hadrian and his lover Antinuous is famous, and upon the accidental death of the boy, the emperor had him deified. The cult of Antinous subsequently became the most popular of all cults in the Greek-speaking world. Some Roman writers also note the activities of the emperor Tiberius with very young boys, and the activities of such rulers as Commodus who rewarded his male lover with both money and priestly office. Court cases are documented involving forcible male on male rape and complaints about wild bachannalia where young men are exploited appear several times in Roman literature.
According to one scholar, the Romans were not unduly disturbed at pederasty as compared with adultery which they regarded in a much more severe light. The god Roman Priapus was a popular figure that swung with both men and women.
SUMMARY FROM: --Roman homosexuality By Craig A. Williams, 1999
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"the first in-depth modern study of homosexuality in republican and Augustan Rome, brilliantly examines relevant literary and legal texts. She concludes that Roman homosexuality was not imported from Greece, was legal, and that master-slave sexual relations were its most socially acceptable expression. Lilja shows that the republican dramatist Plautus, for example, associated homosexuality with slavery, rather than with romance between citizens."
In Rome the main objection to homosexuality seemed to be against passive roles as regards males. Generally, Roman homosexuality was more strongly connected with superior and inferior social roles, even as Hellenization and tolerance of homosexuality increased and [quote]
"for this reason, Roman homosexuality never achieved the cultural idealization accorded pederasty in ancient Greece." --(Reader's guide to lesbian and gay studies, 2000, By Timothy F. Murphy)
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As regards the white Slavs, they were busy too: [quote}:
"Among Slavs, homosexuality attracted much less negative attention. When native Slavic codes mentioned homosexuality at all, they treated it as a sin no more serious - at worst- than adultery. Western European visitors to Russia in the sixteenth century commented derisively on the toleration of homosexual activity. In Slavic lands, unlike Western Europe, homosexuality remained an ecclesiastical offense, not subject to civil sanctions. Homosexual activity by women attracted little attention in canon law and was not heavily penalized.
In a similar way, the Slavs mitigated the harsh penalties of Byzantine canon law for another form of "unnatural" sex, bestiality.. The penalties in native Slavic codes placed bestiality among simple fornication, uncanonical divorce and martial sex after mass." --(Handbook of medieval sexuality By Vern L. Bullough) pg 340, 1996)
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Northern Europeans show extensive homosexual activity stretching back to ancient times as scholars note. QUOTE:
"The fourth-century A.D. Roman writer Ammianus Marcellinus described homosexual relationships between youth and adult warriors among the Taifali, a Germanic tribe related to the Goths.. Marcellinus became familiar with the Taifali when he was posted as a soldier in the region. Their youth, Marcellinus write, remained in these homosexual relationships until they became adults and had killed a boar or bear, a typical initiatory ordeal. Similar homosexual customs were described by the Roman historian Procopius in the sixth century A.D. among another German tribe, the Heruli.. homosexuality in the form of institutionalized pederasty of the sort described by Ammianis Marcellinus and Procopius is understood to have been the rule within the Germanic warrior societies.
Remarkably similar societies of unmarried warriors existed in Norse and Celtic society. The members of the Norse warrior societies also dedicated themselves to their god, Odin, dressed likewise in skins of wolves or bears and were said to fight with the furor f one possessed of the spirits of those animals.. Like the Germanic peoples, Celtic society was ruled by a warrior aristocracy supported by a farming peasantry.. While references by classical writers to homosexual relationship between Celtic warriors and youth are not detailed enough to be able to establish an initiatory construct, the pederastic relations that they described would almost certainly have occurred within the fianna, the principal social venue of the Celtic warriors. Indeed, given the close similarity of Celtic and Germanic tribal customs, and the well documented esteem of the Celts for male homosexuality, it would have been odd if the Celts did not practice a similar type of initiatory homosexuality.
The ancient writers leave no doubt as to the Celtic warriors; enthusiasm for homosexuality in general. According to Aristotle, the Celts held homosexuality in high esteem and publicly honored homosexual relations. Diodorus writes that despite the charm of Celtic women, the Celtic men: "long instead for the embrace of one of their own sex, lying on animal skins and tumbling around with a lover on either side. It is particularly surprising that they attach no value to either dignity or decency, offering their bodies to each other without further ado. This was not regarded as at all harmful: on the contrary, if they were rejected in their approaches, they felt insulted." Celtic youth evidently shared the attitudes of their elders. The Greek writer Strabo, described the young Celts of Gaul as "shamelessly generous with their boyish charms."
"..The lack if sexual inhibitions that the Celtic warriors displayed towards each other amid such an atmosphere of masculine eroticism suggests that homosexuality was not limited to pederastic relations, and that love between comrades was also a part of Celtic warrior life. In fact, it is warriors, not youth, whom Diodorus describes as "offering their bodies to each other without further ado." Such a relationship between warrior peers even appears in an Irish Celtic saga of the late first millennium." [ENDQUOTE] --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland: pp 120-131
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MORE ON THE GREEKS In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role.
In ancient Greece homosexuality played an important role, as it did among other Indo-Europeans . QUOTE: "While little is known of the sexual practices of the Kassites, Hyksos or Aryans, that is not the case with the Greeks. The extent of the prevalence and social importance of homosexual behavior among the ancient Greeks is so thoroughly documented that it is possible to get a clear picture not only of the character of homosexual relationships in Greeks society, but the important role homosexuality played in that society.. the fragmentary glimpses we have of homosexual behavior among the other Indo-European peoples can be recognized as revealing a unified pattern of sexual customs and beliefs that seems to have prevailed among all the Indo-European ancestors of modern Europeans." --Neill, James (2009). The origins and role of same-sex relations in human societies. Mcfarland:
Pedophilia and homosexuality was common among the Spartans. Wives and male lovers were shared between Spartan men. Pederasty or use of youth for homosexual purposes was well established among the Spartans, Greeks and Cretans.
[quotes from various scholars:] "..young boys between the ages of 6 and 16 were organized in 'packs' and 'herds' and placed under the supervision of young adult Spartans. This supervision was sometimes seen as surrogate fathering and one marker of its activity ".. was the instutionalization of pederasty. After the age of twelve, each Spartan teenager was expected to receive a young adult warrior as his lover.. Punishment for various infractions such as suffering silently under discipline was sometimes made on the youth's older lover, for having failed to educate his beloved properly." --From: The Spartans: the world of the warrior-heroes of ancient Greece, from utopia to crisis and collapse Paul Cartledge, Overlook Press, 2003.pg 69-70
"Aspects of Spartan society conduced less to heterosexuality than to homosexuality. In his Laws, Plato wrote that homosexuality resulted from the (male) dining groups and from male nudity in gymnasia. Records of Sparta from the classical period seem to refer to homosexual boyfriends at least as often as to wives. particularly revealing, are some assertions by Xenophon on this subject." --From: Sparta By Michael Whitby. 2002. Taylor and Francis: p. 93
"Sparta too institutionalized homosexual relations between mature men and adolescent boys, as well as between adult women and girls.. many aspects of Spartan homosexuality and marriage customs point to tribal origins. Participation was mandatory for all youth of good character. There were ordeals- a common feature of tribal initiation.. Even after marriage, men lived in men's houses, not with their wives. Wives and male lovers were shared with age-mates." ---From: The construction of homosexuality. David F. Greenberg. University of Chicago Press. 1990. p.107 --------------------------
Both homosexuality and pedophilia were institutionalized among the Greeks per scholars: [quotes from various scholars:] FROM: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson - 1992 -
quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "In short, I have no doubt that the evidence of Xenophon and Plutarch is sufficient to establish the important conclusion that pederasty in Sparta was institutionalised." In the "Politics of Spartan Pederasty" in Homosexuality in the ancient world, pg 23, various documentation from the Spartan era ranges from rock-cut graffiti, to bronze figurines of decidedly masculine "girls", to depictions of anal copulation on drinking cups, to terracotta votive masks depicting unbearded 'Youth' and bearded adult 'Warriors' found in the sanctuary at Orthia.".
Some historian argue that Greek homosexual activity had ritual significance in the form of the semen, being an agent representing martial excellence or prowess, imparted to the receiving male in the process of sodomy. The venue of the gymnasium also played a part. quotes from Dynes and Donaldson: "Next there is the point insisted upon by Plato's Athenian Laws (1.636b; cg. Theaer. 162b, 169ab), the role played by the gymnasia as hotbeds of homosexuality. The Spartans put a premium on gymnastic exercise, and if Thucydides (1.6.5) is to be believed, it was they who invented the customs of exercising stark naked and rubbing down with olive oil. In Sparta therefore the cult of the nude male body is likely to have been pushed to the extremes, as it is known to have been in other less gymnastic Greek cities.. None of these conditions favoring homosexuality is wholly peculiar to Spartan society, but their presence in combination suggests that the integration of institutionalised pederasty into the Agoge, whenever precisely it occurred, will at any rate, not have been awkward." pg 27
Yet others argue that the ties created by pederasty extended to the networks of influence and governance. "Pederasty, in other words, could have acted at Spartan in the age of Xenophon, as it certainly did in fourth-century Crete, as a means of recruiting the political elite," ---------------
Young females were also used in Spartan society as part of homosexual relations. Quote: "Plutarch relates that in Sparta, the noble women loved the girls. Also the academic philosopher Hagnon states: "Among the Spartans it was customary (viz for adult women) to have intercourse with girls before their marriage, as one did with boys." pg 292
Homosexuality was commonly recognized and accepted in Greece, and suggest a common pattern among Indo-European peoples. As one historian notes: "One of the intriguing features of the Greeks is their active interest in homosexuality... Yet the adherents of this solution [a ritual of initiation] have not attempted an explanation pf this puzzling phenomenon and they have ignored the existence of Indo-European (henceforth: I-E) parallels." pg 49
pg 50: "The bachelors had recourse to sodomy, a practice which was not reprobated but was actually a custom of the country- and a custom in the true sense, i.e., fully sanctioned by male society and universally practised."
Some ancient Greek scholars held that the Persians learned homosexuality from the Greeks ".. we pass straight on to the Persians. Our sources are divided as to whether they practiced pederasty or not. The latter view will be the more probably one, since the Zoroastrian writings tome and again strongly forbade pederasty. It is perhaps indicative for this attitude that Agesilaos, although strongly in love with the son of high-ranking Persian, refrains from any physical contact. On the other hand, the son of Pharnabazus is enamoured of a Greek boy, and the recurrence of the prohibitions of pederasty suggests that the Persians did not succeed in stopping the practice. Such discrepancy between theory and practice could elucidate the remark of Herodotus that the Persians learned pederasty from the Greeks." pg 282
Quotes from: Homosexuality in the ancient world - Page 80. Wayne R. Dynes, Stephen Donaldson-1992 -
Historian Charles Freeman's "The Greek Achievement" (1999) holds that homosexuality had an influential place in some Greek institutions. According to Freeman: [quote] ".. "The symposia provided the arena for much of this sexual activity. These were highly ritualized affairs whose origins lay in the banqueting halls of aristocratic warriors. The men were garlanded and reclined one or two to a couch around a central table.. there is little evidence that symposia were normally used to discuss politics. Rather the opposite; the longest conversation in Plato's Symposium is about the nature of homosexual love." (Freeman: pg 299, pg 283-304)
Other writers find similar prominence in Athens: "Male homosexuality was also a prominent feature of Classical Athens. It was widely practiced and tolerated. Athenian law disenfranchised a citizen who had prostituted his body to another male, but nothing was done to males who engaged in homosexual love with male prostitutes or other adult males for love or pleasure. The law did not eliminate male prostitution but ensured that male prostitutes would be foreigners, not Athenian citizens." -- Western Civilization: To 1500, Volume 1. Jackson J. Spielvogel. 2009. Cenage.
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FROM: Charles Freeman (2000) The Greek Achievement. Penguin ed. pg 111, 298-300 {QUOTES}
Prevalence of pederasty in Greece
"In general terms the [Greek] evidence suggests that when men are deprived of women by a late age of marriage, as they were in Athens, they formed liaisons with younger boys (a study of Renaissance Florence where a similar age gap existed found that homosexuality was more prevalent there than in Italian city states where the ages of couples on marriage were equal. In this sense, young boys acted as a substitute for women."
The famous Greek symposium was a locale for pederastic sex. History records that some Greek parents were disturbed by homosexual activity in the symposium involving their young male children
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"Young boys would attend symposia as part of their initiation into society and the symposium could act as the setting for pederastic sex."
"there was always the fear that his manhood would be compromised by the encounter and some families employed a tutor to watch over their sons to keep them clear of pederastic sex."
Pg 111 "However, as Kenneth Dover has pointed out it is just at this time, the late seventh century, that overt homosexuality between men became an accepted part of Greek social life… ' A Greek who said 'I am in love' would not mind being asked 'with a boy'..
Homosexual initiation was common in Greek societies as seen in the practices of Crete and Sparta. Young boys were taken from home and used in homosexual activity with older men as part of the culture. In Sparta, homosexual practice was also reflected by wives dressing as young boys on their wedding night. {QUOTE}
"Such an initiation ceremony is recorded by the greographer Strabo (first century B.C.) in Crete where young boys were kidnapped, taken to a remote part of the country, and then kept there for two months. They were taught hunting, feasting and military skills with the context of some form of sexual relationship. IN other words, homosexual initiation was pat of the transition from youth to adulthood. In the messes of Sparta, homosexual activity was normal, while the warriors of fourth century Thebes, at one moment the best in Greece, were said to owe their cohesion to paired homosexual bonding. In Sparta, it was ritualized by a new wife dressing as a boy for her wedding night, and then as a woman thereafter."
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quote:The Greeks institutionalized homosexual practices more, as opposed to mere tolerance of outliers. For example, the mighty Spartans institutionalized it as an integral part of their military training. Along long with the Spartans the famous 'Sacred Band" of Thebes was made of up 300 men joined in homosexual pairs- sleeping together and fighting together.
er.... don't you usually troll this forum claiming the ancient or neolithic greeks were ''tropical adapted blacks'', now all of a sudden though they are white because they practicsed homosexuality? Posts: 1575 | From: - | Registered: May 2011
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I was going to post the story about the woman with the tan to annoy anglo but I actually feel sorry for her. She's clearly suffering from some sort of mental illness and I felt uncomfortable using her plight to score points over the anglo fvckwit.
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*shudders @ the sight 15secs and worse 1min 13secs into it*
smh ^She tanned her face into leather
If you haven't watched the video, this is the mother....smh looks like she's wearing blackface what ah ting
LOL!!!!!
What the f*...?lol
But see how she made Anderson Cooper's Ridiculist-
quote: Anderson Cooper 360 "It's like the tanning olympics - she took the bronze." Anderson pales in comparison to tonight's RidicuList topic...literally.
quote:Originally posted by claus3600: I was going to post the story about the woman with the tan to annoy anglo but I actually feel sorry for her. She's clearly suffering from some sort of mental illness and I felt uncomfortable using her plight to score points over the anglo fvckwit.
A difference between scoring points and making them.... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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er.... don't you usually troll this forum claiming the ancient or neolithic greeks were ''tropical adapted blacks'', now all of a sudden though they are white because they practicsed homosexuality?
No idiot. You are now trying to wriggle away because your weakling wanker ass is exposed for the pathetic fool that you are. Read again from the archives and learn. There was ancient gene flow between Greece and Africa but your historic Greeks of Alexander, Philip, Solon, Socrates and Plato - the people referenced above, were all white, as you yourself strenuously insist. Interestingly, the longest dialog in Plato's Symposium is on homosexual love. Now adjourn your wanker ass.
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^ Plato called for the death penalty for homosexuals, Athenian law also banned pederasty.
The fringe scholars, or people in general who like to overstress homosexuality in ancient greece are themselves usually homosexual.
The fact homosexuality is found in ancient greek texts does not mean it was pubically approved, quite the contrary. If you did your research instead of spamming this forum up with crap, you would know most Greeks supported the death penalty for gays.
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What "fringe" scholarship you dumb-ass dufus? As usual you have nothing to offer but nonsensical hot air. Death was a penalty for forcible kidnapping and homosexual rape, or certain hiring out for homosexual activity and civic participation as a community member- such as a father hiring out his son as a homosexual prostitute, but as shown by the scholars above, the "educational" man-boy format was considered consensual among the Greeks, not a forcible rape, or a forced prostitution scenario. In fact one of the same scholars addresses the death penalty saying:
"It was not the case that the law prescribed the death penalty for a male prostitute and for his client."{Dynes) Free consensual activity was thus generally protected. Your claim is not only your usual crock of bullshiit, but even in the cases of penalty, the execution of the actual sentence was in no way guaranteed, and it was layered with multiple provisions and qualifications. Actual behavior versus laws on the books as everyone knows is what counts.
Yet another scholar takes up the so-called "penalty" - noting the sense is vague in the Greek texts: QUOTE:"This is usually taken as an euphemism for the death penalty. But it is unlikely that the law carried any penalty beyond disenfranchisement." --T. Hubbard, Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, p 134
The clear fact is that multiple credible scholars who have studied the subject note that homosexuality was not only accepted but embraced as a high cultural ideal in the white Greek world. None of these scholars ever claim that it met with 100% approval of the populace. It didn't. Some opposition was based on status- the free citizen as passive participant, not on the action itself. The opposition is documented by the researchers above but so is the cultural appeal and lionization. None of you pathetic denials and wriggling can change this. Now adjourn your ass..
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^ LOL @ the video with the deranged Anglo-idiot mom. (Must be something in the water of England to have so many idiots in that country). But...
ROTFLMAOH @ the hilarious pics with corresponding captions!
Caucasian self-hatred indeed! LOL Speaking of which...
quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Idiot: Plato called for the death penalty for homosexuals, Athenian law also banned pederasty.
The fringe scholars, or people in general who like to overstress homosexuality in ancient greece are themselves usually homosexual.
The fact homosexuality is found in ancient greek texts does not mean it was pubically approved, quite the contrary. If you did your research instead of spamming this forum up with crap, you would know most Greeks supported the death penalty for gays.
What "fringe" scholarship you dumb-ass dufus? As usual you have nothing to offer but nonsensical hot air. Death was a penalty for forcible kidnapping and homosexual rape, or certain hiring out for homosexual activity and civic participation as a community member- such as a father hiring out his son as a homosexual prostitute, but as shown by the scholars above, the "educational" man-boy format was considered consensual among the Greeks, not a forcible rape, or a forced prostitution scenario. In fact one of the same scholars addresses the death penalty saying:
"It was not the case that the law prescribed the death penalty for a male prostitute and for his client."{Dynes) Free consensual activity was thus generally protected. Your claim is not only your usual crock of bullshiit, but even in the cases of penalty, the execution of the actual sentence was in no way guaranteed, and it was layered with multiple provisions and qualifications. Actual behavior versus laws on the books as everyone knows is what counts.
Yet another scholar takes up the so-called "penalty" - noting the sense is vague in the Greek texts: QUOTE:"This is usually taken as an euphemism for the death penalty. But it is unlikely that the law carried any penalty beyond disenfranchisement." --T. Hubbard, Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, p 134
The clear fact is that multiple credible scholars who have studied the subject note that homosexuality was not only accepted but embraced as a high cultural ideal in the white Greek world. None of these scholars ever claim that it met with 100% approval of the populace. It didn't. Some opposition was based on status- the free citizen as passive participant, not on the action itself. The opposition is documented by the researchers above but so is the cultural appeal and lionization. None of you pathetic denials and wriggling can change this. Now adjourn your ass..
LOL Do I sense homophobia from the Anglo-Idiot even though such was very much a part of his heritage?! And the fool claims to have a degree in 'Classics' even though ALL Classical scholars agree with the evidential FACT that homosexuality was part and parcel of Greco-Roman culture! LOL @ his distortion of Plato! By the way, Plato did disapprove of an erastes (older male lover) consumating his relationship with his eromenos (young male lover) and views it as a failure of self-discipline and self-restraint for he views the erastes to behave like a mentor only , he does not view it as a crime and certainly he does not view homosexual acts between peers as wrong at all!
And what about the Anglo-Idiot's actual Germanic and Celtic ancestors??! From all the evidence of 2nd hand accounts of the Greeks and Romans, the Celtic and Germanic tribes certainly did not view homosexuality as a crime but rather cherished it! LOLPosts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Yes and let's not forget about the obsessive tanning (even when life-threatening), the lip injections, breast and now butt implants to mimic the African bodess.
Simpleton, most Caucasoids are naturally already a brown pigmentation, they don't need to tan.
This type of pigmentation (Luschan Scale: 16–21) is common across Southern Europe, it ranges from an olive or brunet-white to a medium brown.
Marco borriello (Ancestry: 100% Italian, Naples)
Another footballer (Ancestry: 100% Greek), who is even a more natural swarthy pigmentation:
For some strange reason you think all Europeans are a milky pale white. Very few are. Pale white skin in Europe is only limited to North and North-Western Europe, dummy take a look at any skin pigmentation map.
Italians and Greeks are mixed with Africans and Asiatics. Homogenous northwestern populations if you want to provide examples please. You want to do the whole true negro bullsh!t you gotta play by the same rules.
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Simpleton, most Caucasoids are naturally already a brown pigmentation, they don't need to tan.
This type of pigmentation (Luschan Scale: 16–21) is common across Southern Europe, it ranges from an olive or brunet-white to a medium brown.
And we don't wonder why do we.
Yes people who have absorbed black African blood for thousands of years do tend be darker than those who have basically not. I think most people already know that. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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You need to focus on Guidos and their increased fondness in the west. We can observe the growing affinity for such subject matter in stuff like JERSEY SHORE!
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