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A rose by any other name is still a rose. Bogus--LOL--interpretation. E is of East African origin, E3b and E3a too. That's common knowledge except to race ideologues. J is possibly of African origin too.
But Mike would be "impressed" by the J linkages.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: A rose by any other name is still a rose. Bogus--LOL--interpretation. E is of East African origin, E3b and E3a too. That's common knowledge except to race ideologues. J is possibly of African origin too.
But Mike would be "impressed" by the J linkages.
The Turks are of East African origin ??
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: A rose by any other name is still a rose. Bogus--LOL--interpretation. E is of East African origin, E3b and E3a too. That's common knowledge except to race ideologues. J is possibly of African origin too.
But Mike would be "impressed" by the J linkages.
The Turks are of East African origin ??
Afro Turks certainly and mainly are of Sudanic origin.
So that may explain it. And in that light is certainly correct.
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Lioness, looks like you don't understand genetics. Your questions are often very naive. It could be that you are just trolling. E is of African origin. E1b1b and E1b1a derive from parent E. So if there are E's in Turkey--regardless of phenotype--it just means that the phenotypical changes have been more rapid than the Hg changes. I imagine that Turks on the Mt DNA side are some version of L3 with some L2 and L1 thrown in. Or are they M and N. In any case M and N are derivatives of L3.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: lamin wasn't talking about Afro-Turks
But, it's still an explanation. Besides that we have:
"From the Mesolithic to the early Neolithic period different lines of evidence support an out-of-Africa Mesolithic migration to the Levant by northeastern African groups that had biological affinities with sub-Saharan populations. From a genetic point of view, several recent genetic studies have shown that sub-Sabaran genetic lineages (affiliated with the Y-chromosome PN2 clade; Underhill et al. 2001) have spread through Egypt into the Near East, the Mediterranean area, and, for some lineages, as far north as Turkey (E3b-M35 Y lineage; Cinniogclu et al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004), probably during several dispersal episodes since the Mesolithic (Cinniogelu et al. 2004; King et al. 2008; Lucotte and Mercier 2003; Luis et al. 2004; Quintana-Murci et al. 1999; Semino et al. 2004; Underhill et al. 2001). This finding is in agreement with morphological data that suggest that populations with sub-Saharan morphological elements were present in northeastern Africa, from the Paleolithic to at least the early Holocene, and diffused northward to the Levant and Anatolia beginning in the Mesolithic.
Göbekli Tepe - 11,500 B.C. Which is a hilltop sanctuary built on the highest point of an elongated mountain ridge about 15km northeast of the town of Şanlıurfa (Urfa) in southeast Turkey.
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Lioness is stupid, like most people who believe in race she still believes phenotype=genotype. When in most cases the two are not the same.
I mean everyone knows E is East African in origin.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Lioness, looks like you don't understand genetics. Your questions are often very naive. It could be that you are just trolling. E is of African origin. E1b1b and E1b1a derive from parent E. So if there are E's in Turkey--regardless of phenotype--it just means that the phenotypical changes have been more rapid than the Hg changes. I imagine that Turks on the Mt DNA side are some version of L3 with some L2 and L1 thrown in. Or are they M and N. In any case M and N are derivatives of L3.
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quote:The prevalence of haplogroup E (xM2) chromosomes in northern Egypt may reflect the source of non-African E3b lineages (Manni et al. 2002).
What do they mean with this? I have an idea but want to know for sure. Anyone read Manni 2002?
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You know a study is worthless when Lioness posts it.
You know a study is worthless when it has a Discussion section but no "Conclusions" section.
You know a study is worthless when 10 years later, the only one to have an interest in it is Lioness.
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Question: Turkey is almost completely a "Mulatto" country. So what could an investigation of it's gene pool tell you except that it's a Mulatto country?
NOTHING!
THAT IS WHY THE ONLY SENSIBLE STATEMENT IN THAT WHOLE STUPIDNESS IS THIS ONE:
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The variety of Turkish haplotypes is witness to Turkey being both an important source and recipient of gene flow.
Also there are in Ionia two figures of this man carven in rock, one on the road from Ephesus to Phocaea, and the other on that from Sardis to Smyrna. In both places there is a man of a height of four cubits and a half cut in relief, with a spear in his right hand and a bow in his left, and the rest of his equipment answering thereto; for it is both Egyptian and Ethiopian.----Herodotus, Book II
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: A rose by any other name is still a rose. Bogus--LOL--interpretation. E is of East African origin, E3b and E3a too. That's common knowledge except to race ideologues. J is possibly of African origin too.
But Mike would be "impressed" by the J linkages.
HUMAN GENETICS Volume 114, Number 2 (2004), 127-148, DOI: 10.1007/s00439-003-1031-4 ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION
Excavating Y-chromosome haplotype strata in Anatolia
Cengiz Cinnioğlu, Roy King, Toomas Kivisild, Ersi Kalfoğlu, Sevil Atasoy, GianpieroL. Cavalleri, AnitaS. Lillie, CharlesC. Roseman, AliceA. Lin and Kristina Prince, et al.
Abstract Analysis of 89 biallelic polymorphisms in 523 Turkish Y chromosomes revealed 52 distinct haplotypes with considerable haplogroup substructure, as exemplified by their respective levels of accumulated diversity at ten short tandem repeat (STR) loci. The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%) are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian (C, Q and O; 3.4%), Indian (H, R2; 1.5%) and African (A, E3*, E3a; 1%) affinity. The expansion times for 20 haplogroup assemblages was estimated from associated STR diversity. This comprehensive characterization of Y-chromosome heritage addresses many multifaceted aspects of Anatolian prehistory, including: (1) the most frequent haplogroup, J, splits into two sub-clades, one of which (J2) shows decreasing variances with increasing latitude, compatible with a northward expansion; (2) haplogroups G1 and L show affinities with south Caucasus populations in their geographic distribution as well as STR motifs; (3) frequency of haplogroup I, which originated in Europe, declines with increasing longitude, indicating gene flow arriving from Europe; (4) conversely, haplogroup G2 radiates towards Europe; (5) haplogroup E3b3 displays a latitudinal correlation with decreasing frequency northward; (6) haplogroup R1b3 emanates from Turkey towards Southeast Europe and Caucasia and; (7) high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia. The variety of Turkish haplotypes is witness to Turkey being both an important source and recipient of gene flow.
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