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STFU Narmer stupid White people hating, Black racist POS. No one was talking to you now go back to your corner before I get angry LOL. BTW, Whites are NOT albinos. Another thing, two wrongs do NOT make a right Narmer, you should be smart enough to know that.
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Tablet picture from the Burrows cave(If the cave is real.)show the Hebrew initiate with 7 locks of hair not 2 side lock check google image Burrows cave Hebrew. The bible is not real history .It is reworked mystery system wisdom text.Those story were diffuse worldwide by the ancient Egyptian priest .The Albino European in the time of colonisation destroyed the similar bible story they find all over the world .All the Gods(there is no monotheism in the bible)in the bible are Egyptian,All the names in the bible are Egyptian as show in Dr Charles Finch book Echoes of an old darkland . Suzar in her book black out through whitewash stated the bible should be rename an astrology book .Astrology is the highest form and purest form of religion .A religion practice by high priest, king and queen,nobility,bankers etc .The bible is mainly astrotheology,spirituality,symbology,and distorted Egyptian history .Im not an atheist Im a spiritualist I believe in the universal mind/God and all its force/spirit in the cosmos .I pray the Bobby Hemmitt way .
A bizarre collection [of artifacts] was found in a remote cave system in the American State of Illinois. The cavers who made the discovery encountered a derisive response from the first academic experts they approached, experiencing a lot of difficulty finding necessary specialists to help them document and identify the artifacts. There were problems of site security, disappearing artifacts, as well as people bending data to suit their personal agendas. As the site researcher Fred Rydholm remarks: "For this kind of research you have to be thick-skinned, brave or crazy!" It's one thing finding these things, its quite another to explain them. In the United States the saga of "Burrows Cave" has been going on for well over a decade. Over three thousand rock fragments, engraved with a variety of ancient drawings, hieroglyphs and script, were presented to the world by Russell Burrows in 1982, who discovered them in a cave system in Southern Illinois. The story of the cave and its contents is so strange, that it's little wonder it has met strong skepticism.
Recently deciphered for the first time, the stone tablets tell such a wild tale that it will require quite a turn around to accepted history. I was stunned into disbelief when I first laid eyes on the Burrows Cave evidence. This is no straight forward set of hieroglyphs but, an inexplicable display of several cultures, a huge library preserved on stone tablets, collected together and sealed in a cave sometime around the first millennium.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mena7 - If you can provide a credible theory of how these things might have found their way to the Americas, please do so. Otherwise this type of thing is not really appropriate for our forum. Even Lioness doesn't bring up stuff like this.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^So Lioness, now that I have explained the circumstance to you, what are we to make of this picture?
It's certainly NOT the picture of a Hebrew, an Albino or mulatto Greek or Roman perhaps? Romans are certainly known for doing tile-work like this. It would be helpful if we could see the picture on the left to put it in context.
Ya, it's tough to know, Albinos lie so much about everything, that there is just no way of knowing.
Doxie dear - where am I lying?
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: STFU Narmer stupid White people hating, Black racist POS. No one was talking to you now go back to your corner before I get angry LOL. BTW, Whites are NOT albinos. Another thing, two wrongs do NOT make a right Narmer, you should be smart enough to know that.
Sorry Dixie, you must have missed it. I have already proven scientifically that white ARE albinos. The proof is in your DNA (OCA), and every other white person's DNA. Don't blame me for pointing out what the world's medical community has well documented. If you refuse to accept the mainstream data, then your next best bet is to seek psychiatric help to ease you into accepting reality.
Other whites on the site have reviewed the data and went off privately to validate the information. They got a little depressed at what they found, but after accepting the obvious Liarness and Cass are doing OK now. I have no doubt that you will be OK too. Stay out of the sun, read the information carefully and get on your knees and beg a black man to help you ensure your children don't carry on the tradition.
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_________________ _______________________________ Figure 1.--This Assyrian carving at Lachish shows Jews being led inton exile by Sargon's son Sennacherib after Hezekiah's failed revolot (701 BC). Oxford University Press, 1998
Nude goddess figurine, (late 8th–7th century B.C.?) Excavated at Tell el-Duweir (ancient Lachish), southern Levant Ceramic
_________________________________________________________ Talmudic period: 2nd - 6th c AD The Talmud is over 6,200 pages long, written in Aramaic and quotes the Hebrew Bible at least once a page with the Hebrew version in use at the time. The Talmud contains the opinions of thousands of rabbis, many of whom are left unnamed, on a variety of subjects, including law, ethics, philosophy, customs, history, theology, lore and many other topics. The rabbis often argue with one another in a civilized manner on the pages. _____________________________________________________________
^^^^ Mosaic from a synagogue from excavations at Khirbet Hukuk in the northwestern Galilee on the site where a Jewish community existed between the fourth and sixth centuries C.E. depicting the biblical story of Samson, along with Hebrew texts, revealed on the synagogue floor. Finding made by Professor Jodi Magness of University of North Carolina, with the help of Dr. David Amit and Shua Kisilevitz from the Israel Antiquities Authority. “A splendid synagogue from the Talmudic period was unearthed recently during excavations at Khirbet Hukuk in the northwestern Galilee on the site where a Jewish community existed between the fourth and sixth centuries C.E.“ Posts: 42921 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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Mike is there anything that comes out of your mouth (or fingers as the case is)that isn't a lie racist boy?
Narmer sorry I don't do Black men, me loves me strong White brothers especially Finnish, German, & Scottish guys. I actually want my children to look like they are my children, not have people asking me, those your kids. However if I was going to date/marry a non-white it would be a North American Indian.
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Lioness - lets investigate this "Supposed" Jewish tile mosaic. The first thing that strikes me, is that Hebrews are never known to have used tile mosaics in their art. As far as I know, none exist, or have ever existed. If you google Hebrew tile mosaic, you get nothing of the kind.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU GOOGLE "ROMAN" TILE MOSAIC, YOU GET A ZILLION HITS OF PICTURES LIKE THIS!
Roman tile mosaic in Britain
Roman mosaics depicting the seasons found along the Via Appia Nuova
Under Roman and Byzantine influence Jews also decorated their synagogues with classical floor mosaics. Many interesting examples were discovered in Galilee and the Judean Desert. The remains of a 6th-century synagogue have been uncovered in Sepphoris, which was an important centre of Jewish culture between the 3rd-7th centuries and a multicultural town inhabited by Jews, Christians and pagans. The mosaic reflects an interesting fusion of Jewish and pagan beliefs. In the center of the floor the zodiac wheel was depicted. Helios sits in the middle, in his sun chariot, and each zodiac is matched with a Jewish month. Along the sides of the mosaic are strips depicting Biblical scenes, such as the binding of Isaac, as well as traditional rituals, including a burnt sacrifice and the offering of fruits and grains. Another zodiac mosaic decorated the floor of the Beit Alfa synagogue which was built during the reign of Justin I (518-27). It is regarded one of the most important mosaics discovered in Israel. Each of its three panels depicts a scene - the Holy Ark, the zodiac, and the story of the sacrifice of Isaac. In the center of the zodiac is Helios, the sun god, in his chariot. The four women in the corners of the mosaic represent the four seasons. A third superbly preserved zodiac mosaic was discovered in the Severus synagogue in the ancient resort town of Hammat Tiberias. In the center of the 4th century mosaic the Sun god, Helios sits in his chariot holding the celestial sphere and a whip. Nine of the 12 signs of the zodiac survived intact. Another panel shows the Ark of Covenant and Jewish cultic objects used in the Temple at Jerusalem. In 1936 a synagogue was excavated in Jericho which was named Shalom Al Israel synagogue after an inscription on its mosaic floor ("Peace on Israel"). It appears to have been in use from the 5th to 8th centuries and contained a big mosaic on the floor with drawings of the Ark of the Covenant, the Menorah, a Shofar and a Lulav. Nearby in Naaran, there is another synagogue (discovered in 1918) from the 6th century that also has a mosaic floor. The synagogue in Eshtemoa (As-Samu) was built around the 4th century. The mosaic floor is decorated with only floral and geometric patterns. The synagogue in Khirbet Susiya (excavated in 1971-72, founded in the end of the 4th century) has three mosaic panels, the eastern one depicting a Torah shrine, two menorahs, a lulav and an etrog with columns, deer and rams. The central panel is geometric while the western one is seriously damaged but it has been suggested that it depicted Daniel in the lion’s den. The Roman synagogue in Ein Gedi was remodeled in the Byzantine era and a more elaborate mosaic floor was laid down above the older white panels. The usual geometric design was enriched with birds in the center. It includes the names of the signs of the zodiac and important figures from the Jewish past but not their images suggesting that it served a rather conservative community. The ban on figurative depiction was not taken so seriously by the Jews living in Byzantine Gaza. In 1966 remains of a synagogue were found in the ancient harbour area. Its mosaic floor depicts King David as Orpheus, identified by his name in Hebrew letters. Near him were lion cubs, a giraffe and a snake listening to him playing a lyre. A further portion of the floor was divided by medallions formed by vine leaves, each of which contains an animal: a lioness suckling her cub, a giraffe, peacocks, panthers, bears, a zebra and so on. The floor was paved in 508/509. Its is very similar to that of the synagogue at Maon (Menois) and the Christian church at Shellal, suggesting that the same artist most probably worked at all three places. The House of Leontius in Bet She'an (excavated in 1964-72) is a rare example of a synagogue which was part of an inn. It was built in the Byzantine period. The colorful mosaic floor of the synagogue room had an outer stripe decorated with flowers and birds, around medallions with animals, created by vine trellises emerging from an amphora. The central medallion enclosed a menorah (candelabrum) beneath the word shalom (peace). A 5th-century building in Huldah may be a Samaritan synagogue. Its mosaic floor contains typical Jewish symbols (menorah, lulav, etrog) but the inscriptions are Greek. Another Samaritan synagogue with a mosaic floor was located in Bet She'an (excavated in 1960). The floor had only decorative motifs and an aedicule (shrine) with cultic symbols. The ban on human or animal images was more strictly observed by the Samaritans than their Jewish neighbours in the same town (see above). The mosaic was laid by the same masters who made the floor of the Beit Alfa synagogue. One of the inscriptions was written in Samaritan script. In 2003, a synagogue dating from the 5th or 6th century was uncovered in the coastal Ionian town of Saranda, Albania. It was the first time remains of an early synagogue have been found in that area, and the history of its excavation is also noteworthy. Albanian archaeologists first discovered remains 20 years earlier and thought them to be from a house of worship, but prohibition of religion under the tight Communist rule at the time prevented them from exploring it further. Mosaic finds at the site suggested a Jewish past, leading to a joint project began between Albanian archaeologists from the Institute of Archaeology in Albania and the Hebrew University Institute of Archaeology. The team found exceptional mosaics depicting items associated with Jewish holidays, including a menorah, ram's horn, and citron tree. Mosaics in the basilica of the synagogue show the facade of what resembles a Torah, animals, trees, and other biblical symbols. The structure measures 20 by 24 m. and was probably last used in the 6th century as a church.
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Tzippori is located in the central Galilee region, 6 kilometers (3.7 mi) north-northwest of Nazareth, in modern-day Israel. The site holds a rich and diverse historical and architectural legacy that includes Assyrian, Hellenistic, Judean, Babylonian, Roman, Byzantine, Islamic, Crusader, Arabic and Ottoman influences.
Interest on the part of Biblical archaeologists is related to the belief in Christian tradition that the parents of the Virgin Mary, Anna and Joachim, were natives of Tzippori, at the time a Hellenized town. Notable structures at the site include a Roman theater, two early Christian churches, a Crusader fortress that was renovated by Daher El-Omar in the 18th century, and upwards of forty different mosaics.
Mosaic floor, Tzippori (Sepphoris) synagogue, Israel. It dates from the 6th century CE.
"Mona Lisa of the Galilee", ancient mosaic in Tzippori (Sepphoris)
The conversion of Emperor Constantine to Christianity in about 300 A.D. set in motion events that made Palestine a major center of the Christian church. Before the fifth century A.D. very few Christians lived in Palestine. The non-Hebrew regions of the coast, the south, and Aelia Capitolina had several Roman and Greek Christian communities, and a few Minim (Hebrew Christians) lived in such Galilean towns as Sepphoris and Capernaum.
But beginning in the fourth century the government responded to Roman Christian interest in the Holy Land; by embarking on a massive program of patronage, especially church-building, that was designed to encourage Christians to move to Palestine. There was also an imperial policy geared to encourage Hebrews to convert to Christianity; this by offering protection and rewards.
As a result of Christian settlement in the vicinities of Nazareth, Capernaum, and Tabgha, the region of Galilee lost its Hebrew majority. By about 400 A.D. there were ninety six Christian communities in Palestine. The sack of Rome in 410 A.D. caused a new round of migration to Palestine as a group of aristocratic Romans responded to Jerome's invitation to settle in Aelia Capitolina and Bethlehem, (Jerome was a Caucasian born in Stridon (a city in modern Croatia), he was probably of Turkish/Khazar ethnicity, he was later canonized a Saint by the catholic Church. In addition, numerous Christians came to Palestine not to settle but to visit holy sites on pilgrimage and to scour the land for relics to take home.
On the other hand, the Hebrew population saw a constant and precipitous drop that lasted for centuries. In the second century, after the Bar Cochba Revolt, some two hundred Hebrew communities flourished in Palestine, but by the time of the Arab conquest in the late 630s we know of fewer than fifty. Except in the towns of Tiberias and Sepphoris and in the regions east of the Sea of Galilee, the Hebrews had become a minority in their own country.
As you can plainly see, at the time that those mosaics were "SUPPOSED to have been made by Hebrews - HEBREWS NO LONGER EXISTED IN ANY MEANINGFUL NUMBERS!
Lioness, I have new-found respect for you. I expected you to come back, by saying that the Hebrews hid from the Romans during the day, and worked on the tile mosaics at night.
How you refrained from doing that, I don't know. But I respect your self restraint.
And I might add: you have proven to the other Albinos that the urge to lie IS controllable, they just have to work hard at it.
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A lesson YOU should learn yourself Mikey boy White people hater (that lying is controllable YOU just have to work hard at it that is).
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quote:Originally posted by MansaZevulun: A couple of years ago I saw a quote from the Ancient Egyptians that said that Shem, Ham, & Japheth had black or dark skin. I'm not 100% sure if the quote was from Ancient Egypt but does anybody know what I'm talking about & could anybody post the qoute if you know about it?
I'm skeptical of any direct mention of those eponymous ancestors by mainland ancient Egyptians themselves, although what some have deemed to come from a sect of ancient Egyptians, namely the ancient Israelites, may have used ancient Egyptian mythology to form those ancestral personas. They (said eponymous ancestors) never even existed to begin with, unless I'm missing evidence to this end. On the other hand, however, being open-minded, I look forward to accessing any such quote by the ancient Egyptians myself.
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^^^^notice the facial features of both the Assyrian and the Hebrew
then notice part of the Assyrian's hair
it matches the Hebrew's hair
so according to the theory that all curly haired people are black the Assyrians were black
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If you've noticed the Afrocentrics only spam the SAME wall art pics of Hebrews, when there are tens of thousands. If you go to the British Museum you will see loads that have wavy hair, and are clearly not Negroid.
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quote:As if every "black person" or African looks like Jay Z? LOOOOOL
Dorky, you must not have seen a lot of blacks/ Africans where you're from!lol
The Africans you are posting are Caucasoid admixed. You NEVER post West Africans/true Negroids - you are clearly repulsed by them like Zaharan. Instead you will only ever post Caucasoid admixed North or East Africans with thin noses.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The Brace et al study is probably the most interesting. It clusters ancient egyptians with Indians "Hindoos", who are obviously Caucasoid.
^Witless buffoon, will you never learn? Your new "position" remains pathetically weak on 5 points. Let us school you again:
DEBUNK 1: The alleged "Massive Study Dismisses A.E."Tropical" Limb Ratios"
1A- RIght off the bat this is simply pathetic. You try to spin the study as if it is something new but it is 1993, almost 20 years old and long superseded. Even more laughable, the BRace study deals with CRANIA, fool, crania, NOT limb proportions. How incompetent can "the white faithful" of the "Hamitic" Union be?
1B- As for the "massive" study, Brace has been dealt with years ago. His calculations are fine, but his sampling was problematic, as people like KEita noted. He excluded key Egyptian populations like the ancient Badari who cluster with Africans, and used a stereotypical 'true negro' African construct to get "Caucasoid" matches.
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DEBUNK 2: "Other" people have tropical proportions
This is supposed to be some sort of significant point? Sure other tropical populations have tropical adapations. That is no secret or at issue. The main point is that the migrants were tropically adapted people that came from Africa, which you keep denying, even after your own citations say you are wrong. ANd the second main point is that as far as Egypt the people who founded the Nile Valley Dynastic civ were those tropically adapted sub-Saharans as Mary Lefkowitz herself admits.
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DEBUNK 3: Your "supporting reference" destroys your OOA denials. You said:- QUOTE:
^^Dumbass, do you just realize you debunked yourself? You have been denying OOA, and been denying any tropical adaptations in your precious whites. But your own "supporting reference" says that those Early Europeans did have the tropical adaptations. You just destroyed all the denials you have been making over several thread. Dude, how stupid can you be?
Furthermore the "white faithful" of the Hamitic Union make another glaring mistake. Your own reference says: The low brachial index* is a very recently acquired characteristic of White Europeans.
^^Idiots.. If those indexes are very recently acquired that means that BEFORE they got those low indices, they were more like tropical Africans. Fools.. your own reference undercuts your denial.. HEre is the full quote from your own reference:
Upper Paleolithic Europeans resembled modern Africans -2003 data
"Upper Palaeolithic humans not only were taller and had more robust bones in comparison with the Linear Band Pottery Culture Neolithic people; they also had longer limbs, a shorter trunk and, similar to modern African people, very long forearms and crural segments. ---Michael Hermanussen (2003) Stature of early Europeans. HORMONES 2003, 2(3):175-178
^^Pathetic idiots! Your own citation destroys your argument.
DEBUNK 4: ONLY "some" aFRICAN aMERICANS ARE TROPICALLY ADAPTED. You admit it, but then turn around and quote a professor who denies it altogether! LMAO! Fools! WHich is it? ----------------
Here is the bogus "Hamitic Union" blurb:
"Even African Americans do not consistently show the tropical limb ratios of their West African ancestors. While some are still tropically adapted, many others actually have a cold-adapted body plan as a consequence of both admixture with cold-adapted peoples (modern Europeans and Native Americans) and localized adaptation. And this change in their limb ratios at the population level did not take place over thousands of years, but instead over just a few hundred years of living in North America.
LOL... pathetic "hamitic union" buffoons.. The fact of US Black-WHite admixture does not at all hide the clear tropical limb adaptations of Black Americans. They clearly show such limb proportions as do ancient Egyptians. The bogus "rebuttal" is just that, pathetically bogus. Is this all you people got?
DEBUNK 5: "THE WHITE FAITHFUL" quote a professor in "support" but they professor denies their own argument offered earlier. They say, OK well we admit that only "some" African Americans have tropical proportions,, but then your own "expert witness"- your professor, denies that African Americans do altogether. Idiots! Their own "expert witness" contradicts their argument. LMAO!
------------- The bogus "Hamitic Union" proferred an email blurb by one "adjunct" professor Pat SHipman as a "supporting reference." It says:
"The argument from morphology depends on the presupposition that body proportions are to a large degree genetically controlled. The fact that contemporary African Americans do not have tropical limb proportions but have in a few hundred years changed to more European body proportions (through adaptation to new climate plus intermixture with Europeans and First Nations Peoples) puts this claim into perspective (Pat Shipman, adjunct professor of biological anthropology, Pennsylvania State University, personal communication, 14 May 2004)." ----
^^ Pathetic fools... SHipman's blurb does nothing whatsoever to bolster your denials of the tropical adaptations of both US Blacks, Egytians and early modern Europeans. SHipman is clearly wrong in saying that US blacks do not retain tropical body plans.
The fact that she is saying that email and not in a published paper tells us she would not dare make such a glaring error in a peer reviewed venue. ANd while US blacks have changed to a bit less tropical body proportions, due to admixture, they clearly show tropical retentions, a fact noted in peer reviewed research since the 1950s. Notice also how SHipman is reluctant to say more- she hedges and ends the "personal communication" blurb by saying "puts things in perspective."
Furthermore, in fact, tropical adaptations are strongly genetically controlled. They can go up and down here and there with admixture, but they STILL show through clearly as scholar after scholar shows. The "personal communication" by SHipman sounds either bogus, or something she was "guided" into saying. But it makes no difference whatsoever. Shipman or no SHipman, credible, published, peer-reviewed experts, much mor credible than a part-time "adjunct";s manipulated "personal communication" show that yes indeed: (a) African Americans show clear tropical adaptations, and (b) Limb proportions are heavily genetically embedded. Small proportions of race mixing with US whites do not change this reality.
WIther the "white faithful"? Your own "expert witness" undermines one of your arguments. Is this BS all you people got? Hell, send in Madilda and Dienekes the Greek! They at least presented greater challenge to the vets of the old days.
quote:^^Note they say that their founding population Homo Erectus came from Africa. In short, the ANglo-idiot's own "supporting" reference contradicts his claim.
Fail once again.
Read the HEADER:
quote:This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information.
Not only is it out of date by around 5 years, but a lot of it is wrong in the first place, I only linked to it for a brief overview.
Out of Africa, for pre-Homo, Homo and Humans has all been challenged. You ony cling to the "out of africa" and "everything = africa" thing because of your bogus political views.
Pitiful failure on 2 counts:
1) Failure #1: Your own "supporting reference" says the fossils in question are too weathered to offer any clear conclusion as to if they are homo erectus, and (b) competent scientists say the Dmansi specimens STILL represent hominids evolving from Africa originals. So yea, there may have been subsequent development in Asia but the originals were STILL from Africa. Your "just say no to OOA" is a bust.
-----Debunk 1A: QUOTE from Article: " The presence of a tool-using population on the edge of Europe so early hints that the northern continent, rather than Africa, may have been the evolutionary birthplace of H. erectus. Unfortunately, the fossils of the hominins responsible for making the tools are not proving very helpful to the debate. Fossilized bone fragments found in the same sedimentary layers as the Dmanisi artefacts are too weathered to be identified as belonging to any one species, so it is impossible to say for sure whether the tools were made by H. erectus." --Matt Kaplan. 2011. Human ancestors in Eurasia earlier than thought. Nature magazine
-----Debunk 1B: QUOTE by Palentologist CHris Stringer: "This alternative scenario has a small brained and small-bodied pre-erectus species, perhaps comparable to Homo Hablis, or even a late australopithecine, dispersing from Africa with primitive tools over 2 million years ago, reaching the Far East and eventually, FLores. In Asia this ancestral species also gave rise to the Dmanisi people and Homo-erectus.." --Chris Stringer (2012) Lone Survivors: How we came to be the only human on earth
^^There you have it. The fossils offer little firm conclusion due to their state AND the ORIGINAL hominids are STILL from Africa, which you keep denying again and again. And you are debunked again and again by your own "supporting" references...
Failure #2: ANthropoid primates 37 million years ago that may have come to Africa STILL does not affect the migrations of HUMANS out of Africa to colonize the world. We are dealing with HUMANS not quasi ape-like primates 37 millions years past. Said anthropoid primates may 37 million years ago have been around in Asia and relatives may have wandered into Africa. Even so, this STILL is irrelevant to your argument, which denies that humans evolved in Africa and migrated out to colonize the globe. The 37 million years old primates were in Asia, but even if the LIbyan fossils turn out to be related, it was HUMANS that came out of Africa. OOA also has several variants- replacement, interbreeding, etc. But no matter the flavor, all variants hold the central point that it is humans than came out of Africa. You attempt to deny this, and repeatedly fail. All the talking points you are getting from Anthroscape, Stormfront, Skadi and other "biodiversity" places are sheer nonsense, easily debunked. They may work well as an "amen chorus" for "the white faithful" in those venues, but in the real world they will be exposed for the bunk they are.
Originally posted by Anglo-Pyramidologist Read the HEADER: quote:This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information.
^^Dumbass. YOU were the one who used the article as YOUR "supporting reference". Now you are trying to back away from your debunking by referring to a Wikipedia tag someone added? LMAO.. This is a new low for your idiocy. WHat? You went to the WIkipedia page to add the tag and now use that as an escape hatch? Pathetic.. But It STILL doesn;t matter. WHat matters is that you cited the article to support your argument. Instead the article text YOU proffered, itself contradicted your argument. Now you are disavowing YOUR OWN citation, essentially admitting defeat, and that your whole argument was a fraud to begin with. Alack and alas.. pitiful buffoon... why do you bother?
THE ANGLO-IDIOT EXPOSED- PART 19: He says there is no OOA but the very "supporting reference" he proffers directy contradicts his claim. ------------------------- Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on 07 May, 2012 08:45 AM:
The idiot gives a Wikipedia "reference" to back up his claim but the very same "supporting reference" he gives states that multi-regionalists acknowledge that hominid species came from Africa in the first place. Their argument is for continuity and distinct development in separate locations AFTER the initial OOA exit putting hominins in different places. This approach STILL recognizes and acknowledges hominin OOA.
Quote from Anglo-Idiot's "supporting" reference:
"This species arose in Africa two million years ago as H. erectus and then spread out over the world, developing adaptations to regional conditions. Some populations became isolated for periods of time, developing in different directions, but through continuous interbreeding, replacement, genetic drift and selection, adaptations that were an advantage anywhere on earth would spread, keeping the development of the species in the same overall direction while maintaining adaptations to regional factors. By these mechanisms, surviving local varieties of the species evolved into modern humans, retaining some regional adaptations but with many features common to all regions.[10]
^^Note they say that their founding population Homo Erectus came from Africa. In short, the ANglo-idiot's own "supporting" reference contradicts his claim.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The Africans you are posting are Caucasoid admixed. You NEVER post West Africans/true Negroids - you are clearly repulsed by them like Zaharan. Instead you will only ever post Caucasoid admixed North or East Africans with thin noses.
You must not be following the thread he just posted the above Africans who don't have thin noses
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^^^^ your definition of Caucasoid is largely based the thin nose.
Your theory is that a person with the above thin nose is by definition Caucasoid admixted
yet you do not specify a geographic origin for Caucasoid. Therefore theoretically the above man could be 100% African and Caucasoid at the same time, an indigenous African Caucasoid
Cau·ca·sian [kaw-key-zhuhn, -shuhn, -kazh-uhn, -kash-] Show IPA adjective Also, Cau·cas·ic [kaw-kas-ik, -kaz-] Show IPA. 1. Anthropology . of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, marked by a thin nose 2. of or pertaining to noses lacking in wideness. 3. of or related to any region of the world where thin noses are found
Cassiteride's Collegiate Dictionary
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^^^ now we come to the African American on average somewhere bewteen 12-22% non African.
Do we then identify ourselves as "Admixted Americans" ?
No, because we are primarily African. African enough to be called African Americans.
For someone to be called "mixed" as an identity means they need to be more mixed than 22%. Same thing for white people. A white person who is 22% black would not be called "mixed". They would be called "white" or "European American" Some of your favorite white people are probably technically "mixed" Further, at lower percentages like 22% the traits of the 22% part are not very prominant.
(if we are to use such terms)
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The Brace et al study is probably the most interesting. It clusters ancient egyptians with Indians "Hindoos", who are obviously Caucasoid.
^Witless buffoon, will you never learn? Your new "position" remains pathetically weak on 5 points. Let us school you again:
DEBUNK 1: The alleged "Massive Study Dismisses A.E."Tropical" Limb Ratios"
1A- RIght off the bat this is simply pathetic. You try to spin the study as if it is something new but it is 1993, almost 20 years old and long superseded. Even more laughable, the BRace study deals with CRANIA, fool, crania, NOT limb proportions. How incompetent can "the white faithful" of the "Hamitic" Union be?
1B- As for the "massive" study, Brace has been dealt with years ago. His calculations are fine, but his sampling was problematic, as people like KEita noted. He excluded key Egyptian populations like the ancient Badari who cluster with Africans, and used a stereotypical 'true negro' African construct to get "Caucasoid" matches.
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DEBUNK 2: "Other" people have tropical proportions
This is supposed to be some sort of significant point? Sure other tropical populations have tropical adapations. That is no secret or at issue. The main point is that the migrants were tropically adapted people that came from Africa, which you keep denying, even after your own citations say you are wrong. ANd the second main point is that as far as Egypt the people who founded the Nile Valley Dynastic civ were those tropically adapted sub-Saharans as Mary Lefkowitz herself admits.
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DEBUNK 3: Your "supporting reference" destroys your OOA denials. You said:- QUOTE:
^^Dumbass, do you just realize you debunked yourself? You have been denying OOA, and been denying any tropical adaptations in your precious whites. But your own "supporting reference" says that those Early Europeans did have the tropical adaptations. You just destroyed all the denials you have been making over several thread. Dude, how stupid can you be?
Furthermore the "white faithful" of the Hamitic Union make another glaring mistake. Your own reference says: The low brachial index* is a very recently acquired characteristic of White Europeans.
^^Idiots.. If those indexes are very recently acquired that means that BEFORE they got those low indices, they were more like tropical Africans. Fools.. your own reference undercuts your denial.. HEre is the full quote from your own reference:
Upper Paleolithic Europeans resembled modern Africans -2003 data
"Upper Palaeolithic humans not only were taller and had more robust bones in comparison with the Linear Band Pottery Culture Neolithic people; they also had longer limbs, a shorter trunk and, similar to modern African people, very long forearms and crural segments. ---Michael Hermanussen (2003) Stature of early Europeans. HORMONES 2003, 2(3):175-178
^^Pathetic idiots! Your own citation destroys your argument.
DEBUNK 4: ONLY "some" aFRICAN aMERICANS ARE TROPICALLY ADAPTED. You admit it, but then turn around and quote a professor who denies it altogether! LMAO! Fools! WHich is it? ----------------
Here is the bogus "Hamitic Union" blurb:
"Even African Americans do not consistently show the tropical limb ratios of their West African ancestors. While some are still tropically adapted, many others actually have a cold-adapted body plan as a consequence of both admixture with cold-adapted peoples (modern Europeans and Native Americans) and localized adaptation. And this change in their limb ratios at the population level did not take place over thousands of years, but instead over just a few hundred years of living in North America.
LOL... pathetic "hamitic union" buffoons.. The fact of US Black-WHite admixture does not at all hide the clear tropical limb adaptations of Black Americans. They clearly show such limb proportions as do ancient Egyptians. The bogus "rebuttal" is just that, pathetically bogus. Is this all you people got?
DEBUNK 5: "THE WHITE FAITHFUL" quote a professor in "support" but they professor denies their own argument offered earlier. They say, OK well we admit that only "some" African Americans have tropical proportions,, but then your own "expert witness"- your professor, denies that African Americans do altogether. Idiots! Their own "expert witness" contradicts their argument. LMAO!
------------- The bogus "Hamitic Union" proferred an email blurb by one "adjunct" professor Pat SHipman as a "supporting reference." It says:
"The argument from morphology depends on the presupposition that body proportions are to a large degree genetically controlled. The fact that contemporary African Americans do not have tropical limb proportions but have in a few hundred years changed to more European body proportions (through adaptation to new climate plus intermixture with Europeans and First Nations Peoples) puts this claim into perspective (Pat Shipman, adjunct professor of biological anthropology, Pennsylvania State University, personal communication, 14 May 2004)." ----
^^ Pathetic fools... SHipman's blurb does nothing whatsoever to bolster your denials of the tropical adaptations of both US Blacks, Egytians and early modern Europeans. SHipman is clearly wrong in saying that US blacks do not retain tropical body plans.
The fact that she is saying that email and not in a published paper tells us she would not dare make such a glaring error in a peer reviewed venue. ANd while US blacks have changed to a bit less tropical body proportions, due to admixture, they clearly show tropical retentions, a fact noted in peer reviewed research since the 1950s. Notice also how SHipman is reluctant to say more- she hedges and ends the "personal communication" blurb by saying "puts things in perspective."
Furthermore, in fact, tropical adaptations are strongly genetically controlled. They can go up and down here and there with admixture, but they STILL show through clearly as scholar after scholar shows. The "personal communication" by SHipman sounds either bogus, or something she was "guided" into saying. But it makes no difference whatsoever. Shipman or no SHipman, credible, published, peer-reviewed experts, much mor credible than a part-time "adjunct";s manipulated "personal communication" show that yes indeed: (a) African Americans show clear tropical adaptations, and (b) Limb proportions are heavily genetically embedded. Small proportions of race mixing with US whites do not change this reality.
WIther the "white faithful"? Your own "expert witness" undermines one of your arguments. Is this BS all you people got? Hell, send in Madilda and Dienekes the Greek! They at least presented greater challenge to the vets of the old days.
quote:^^Note they say that their founding population Homo Erectus came from Africa. In short, the ANglo-idiot's own "supporting" reference contradicts his claim.
Fail once again.
Read the HEADER:
quote:This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information.
Not only is it out of date by around 5 years, but a lot of it is wrong in the first place, I only linked to it for a brief overview.
Out of Africa, for pre-Homo, Homo and Humans has all been challenged. You ony cling to the "out of africa" and "everything = africa" thing because of your bogus political views.
Pitiful failure on 2 counts:
1) Failure #1: Your own "supporting reference" says the fossils in question are too weathered to offer any clear conclusion as to if they are homo erectus, and (b) competent scientists say the Dmansi specimens STILL represent hominids evolving from Africa originals. So yea, there may have been subsequent development in Asia but the originals were STILL from Africa. Your "just say no to OOA" is a bust.
-----Debunk 1A: QUOTE from Article: " The presence of a tool-using population on the edge of Europe so early hints that the northern continent, rather than Africa, may have been the evolutionary birthplace of H. erectus. Unfortunately, the fossils of the hominins responsible for making the tools are not proving very helpful to the debate. Fossilized bone fragments found in the same sedimentary layers as the Dmanisi artefacts are too weathered to be identified as belonging to any one species, so it is impossible to say for sure whether the tools were made by H. erectus." --Matt Kaplan. 2011. Human ancestors in Eurasia earlier than thought. Nature magazine
-----Debunk 1B: QUOTE by Palentologist CHris Stringer: "This alternative scenario has a small brained and small-bodied pre-erectus species, perhaps comparable to Homo Hablis, or even a late australopithecine, dispersing from Africa with primitive tools over 2 million years ago, reaching the Far East and eventually, FLores. In Asia this ancestral species also gave rise to the Dmanisi people and Homo-erectus.." --Chris Stringer (2012) Lone Survivors: How we came to be the only human on earth
^^There you have it. The fossils offer little firm conclusion due to their state AND the ORIGINAL hominids are STILL from Africa, which you keep denying again and again. And you are debunked again and again by your own "supporting" references...
Failure #2: ANthropoid primates 37 million years ago that may have come to Africa STILL does not affect the migrations of HUMANS out of Africa to colonize the world. We are dealing with HUMANS not quasi ape-like primates 37 millions years past. Said anthropoid primates may 37 million years ago have been around in Asia and relatives may have wandered into Africa. Even so, this STILL is irrelevant to your argument, which denies that humans evolved in Africa and migrated out to colonize the globe. The 37 million years old primates were in Asia, but even if the LIbyan fossils turn out to be related, it was HUMANS that came out of Africa. OOA also has several variants- replacement, interbreeding, etc. But no matter the flavor, all variants hold the central point that it is humans than came out of Africa. You attempt to deny this, and repeatedly fail. All the talking points you are getting from Anthroscape, Stormfront, Skadi and other "biodiversity" places are sheer nonsense, easily debunked. They may work well as an "amen chorus" for "the white faithful" in those venues, but in the real world they will be exposed for the bunk they are.
Originally posted by Anglo-Pyramidologist Read the HEADER: quote:This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information.
^^Dumbass. YOU were the one who used the article as YOUR "supporting reference". Now you are trying to back away from your debunking by referring to a Wikipedia tag someone added? LMAO.. This is a new low for your idiocy. WHat? You went to the WIkipedia page to add the tag and now use that as an escape hatch? Pathetic.. But It STILL doesn;t matter. WHat matters is that you cited the article to support your argument. Instead the article text YOU proffered, itself contradicted your argument. Now you are disavowing YOUR OWN citation, essentially admitting defeat, and that your whole argument was a fraud to begin with. Alack and alas.. pitiful buffoon... why do you bother?
THE ANGLO-IDIOT EXPOSED- PART 19: He says there is no OOA but the very "supporting reference" he proffers directy contradicts his claim. ------------------------- Posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist (Member # 18853) on 07 May, 2012 08:45 AM:
The idiot gives a Wikipedia "reference" to back up his claim but the very same "supporting reference" he gives states that multi-regionalists acknowledge that hominid species came from Africa in the first place. Their argument is for continuity and distinct development in separate locations AFTER the initial OOA exit putting hominins in different places. This approach STILL recognizes and acknowledges hominin OOA.
Quote from Anglo-Idiot's "supporting" reference:
"This species arose in Africa two million years ago as H. erectus and then spread out over the world, developing adaptations to regional conditions. Some populations became isolated for periods of time, developing in different directions, but through continuous interbreeding, replacement, genetic drift and selection, adaptations that were an advantage anywhere on earth would spread, keeping the development of the species in the same overall direction while maintaining adaptations to regional factors. By these mechanisms, surviving local varieties of the species evolved into modern humans, retaining some regional adaptations but with many features common to all regions.[10]
^^Note they say that their founding population Homo Erectus came from Africa. In short, the ANglo-idiot's own "supporting" reference contradicts his claim.
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Troll, why is it when the topic is ancient Jews you start posting random Africans?
Stay on topic
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lol at your dumbass. Why is it when we speak of Ancient Hebrews you start spamming random pictures of Khazars as the real descendants, when they are the actual converts? It's you who stereotypes the African, not me. I could have shown more differences in Africans, but this is already hard for you to comprehend, you just can't help yourself. Pathetic racist dork.
European "jews" Khazars are Ashkenazi, who have no relation with ancient Hebrews.
Switching to another screen name neither does help your case. lol
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_dorky: If you've noticed the Afrocentrics only spam the SAME wall art pics of Hebrews, when there are tens of thousands. If you go to the British Museum you will see loads that have wavy hair, and are clearly not Negroid.
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quote:As if every "black person" or African looks like Jay Z? LOOOOOL
Dorky, you must not have seen a lot of blacks/ Africans where you're from!lol
The Africans you are posting are Caucasoid admixed. You NEVER post West Africans/true Negroids - you are clearly repulsed by them like Zaharan. Instead you will only ever post Caucasoid admixed North or East Africans with thin noses.
They also carry the particular Cohanim-gene in highest frequency.
Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa".
AuthorsThomas MG, et al. Show all Journal Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Feb;66(2):674-86.
Affiliation
The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.
Abstract
The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from "Sena." "Sena" is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the "Cohen modal haplotype," which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000-5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.
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Troll Patty, what do Fulani of the Sahel have to do with ancient Hebrews from Lachish in Israel? damn you love to post pictures
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_dorky: If you've noticed the Afrocentrics only spam the SAME wall art pics of Hebrews, when there are tens of thousands. If you go to the British Museum you will see loads that have wavy hair, and are clearly not Negroid.
^^^don't forget Assyrians were also black according to the curly hair = black theory
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Troll Patty, what do Fulani of the Sahel have to do with ancient Hebrews from Lachish in Israel? damn you love to post pictures
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol:
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_dorky: If you've noticed the Afrocentrics only spam the SAME wall art pics of Hebrews, when there are tens of thousands. If you go to the British Museum you will see loads that have wavy hair, and are clearly not Negroid.
^^^don't forget Assyrians were also black according to the curly hair = black theory
First off all dorky dumbass, I did not say that Fulani deal with ancient Hebrews. You post extreme biased pictures, and I encounter them. Deal with it.
Second, the top hair of the tends to curl tightly, close to wooly, but it doesn't come out wooly at the root rather straight stringy. Not wooly at the root like that of the ancient Hebrews. Can ya' dig it?
Assyrians captured enslaved and killed the original ancient Hebrews, they themselves have depicted the down fall of ancient Hebrews. Then Assyrians converted as if they are....lol yeah sure.
After defeating Lachish, the Assyrians moved on Jerusalem in 701 BC, and laid siege to the city. They were smitten by a plague (probably bubonic) and woke up all "dead corpses." (2 Kings 18, 19.) The king, Sennacherib, returned to Assyrian, abandoning Jerusalem, where he was assassinated by two of his sons while worshiping in the Assyrian temple. Assyrians transplanted conquered peoples to other areas in their large kingdom, rendering them relatively helpless and disoriented. Their leadership was destroyed, and they were in unfamiliar areas, under guard. Other captive peoples were moved into their vacated lands. Some original Israelites were undoubtedly still in the area of Israel, having evaded capture. Mixed with the newly transplanted people brought by the Assyrians, they intermarried and mixed religious beliefs, absorbing elements of both.
1 Department of Haematology and Genetic Pathology, School of Medicine, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia
2 Department of Human Genetics, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
3 Current Address: Blood Bank, Sheba Medical Center, Ramat-Gan 52621, Israel
"The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms" "EEJ are the largest and most investigated Jewish community, yet their history as Franco-German Jewry is known to us only since their appearance in the 9th century, and their subsequent migration a few hundred years later to Eastern Europe [4,5]. Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8]. It is also possible that some Jews migrated northward from the Italian colonies on the northern shore of the Black Sea [9]. All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes. Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society [10-13]."
The Jewish E Project (formerly Jewish E3b Project) is open to all males in Y-DNA haplogroup E and any of its subclades, who have KNOWN Jewish ancestry on their direct paternal line (your father's father's father, etc).
The E haplogroup has been observed in all Jewish groups world wide. One of its major subclades, E1b1b (formerly E3b) is considered to be the 2nd most prevalent haplogroup among the Jewish population.
E-M35, which defines the E1b1b1 (formerly E3b1) haplogroup, is considered to be the second highest, next to J, for "Founding Jewish Lineages" in Europe.
It is found in moderate amounts in all Jewish populations, from Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Kurdish, Yemen, Samaritan and even among Djerba Jewish groups.
They also carry the particular Cohanim-gene in highest frequency.
Ashkenazi Jews have significant frequencies of Cohanim-gene so you just played yourself. Most of the Cohen modal haplotypes are found in individuals of the Buba clan of Lemba. Also the origin of the Cohanim-gene is the Near East not Africa and Lemba traditrion confirms this.
__________________________________________________________ Increased Resolution of Y Chromosome Haplogroup T Defines Relationships among Populations of the Near East, Europe, and Africa
Fernando L. Mendez,1,2 Tatiana M. Karafet,1 Thomas Krahn,3 Harry Ostrer,4 Himla Soodyall,5 and Michael F. Hammer1,2 1 ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721.
Abstract Increasing phylogenetic resolution of the Y chromosome haplogroup tree has led to finer temporal and spatial resolution for studies of human migration. Haplogroup T, initially known as K2 and defined by mutation M70, is found at variable frequencies across West Asia, Africa, and Europe. While several SNPs were recently discovered that extended the length of the branch leading to haplogroup T, only two SNPs are known to mark internal branches of haplogroup T. This low level of phylogenetic resolution has hindered studies of the origin and dispersal of this interesting haplogroup, which is found in Near Eastern non-Jewish populations, Jewish populations from several communities, and in the patrilineage of President Thomas Jefferson. Here we map 10 new SNPs that, together with the previously known SNPs, mark 11 lineages and two large subclades (T1a and T1b) of haplogroup T. We also report a new SNP that links haplogroups T and L within the major framework of Y chromosome evolution. Estimates of the timing of the branching events within haplogroup T, along with a comprehensive geographic survey of the major T subclades, suggest that this haplogroup began to diversify in the Near East 25 kya. Our survey also points to a complex history of dispersal of this rare and informative haplogroup within the Near East and from the Near East to Europe and sub-Saharan Africa. The presence of T1a2 chromosomes in Near Eastern Jewish and non-Jewish populations may reflect early exiles between the ancient lands of Israel and Babylon. The presence of different subclades of T chromosomes in Europe may be explained by both the spread of Neolithic farmers and the later dispersal of Jews from the Near East. Finally, the moderately high frequency (18%) of T1b* chromosomes in the Lemba of southern Africa supports the hypothesis of a Near Eastern, but not necessarily a Jewish, origin for their paternal line.
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They also carry the particular Cohanim-gene in highest frequency.
So you need to explain why you thin nose caucasoid theory doesn't fly here?
Ashkenazi Jews have significant frequencies of Cohanim-gene so you just played yourself. Most of the Cohen modal haplotypes are found in individuals of the Buba clan of Lemba. Also the origin of the Cohanim-gene is the Near East not Africa and Lemba traditrion confirms this.
__________________________________________________________ Increased Resolution of Y Chromosome Haplogroup T Defines Relationships among Populations of the Near East, Europe, and Africa
Fernando L. Mendez,1,2 Tatiana M. Karafet,1 Thomas Krahn,3 Harry Ostrer,4 Himla Soodyall,5 and Michael F. Hammer1,2 1 ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721.
Abstract Increasing phylogenetic resolution of the Y chromosome haplogroup tree has led to finer temporal and spatial resolution for studies of human migration. Haplogroup T, initially known as K2 and defined by mutation M70, is found at variable frequencies across West Asia, Africa, and Europe. While several SNPs were recently discovered that extended the length of the branch leading to haplogroup T, only two SNPs are known to mark internal branches of haplogroup T. This low level of phylogenetic resolution has hindered studies of the origin and dispersal of this interesting haplogroup, which is found in Near Eastern non-Jewish populations, Jewish populations from several communities, and in the patrilineage of President Thomas Jefferson. Here we map 10 new SNPs that, together with the previously known SNPs, mark 11 lineages and two large subclades (T1a and T1b) of haplogroup T. We also report a new SNP that links haplogroups T and L within the major framework of Y chromosome evolution. Estimates of the timing of the branching events within haplogroup T, along with a comprehensive geographic survey of the major T subclades, suggest that this haplogroup began to diversify in the Near East 25 kya. Our survey also points to a complex history of dispersal of this rare and informative haplogroup within the Near East and from the Near East to Europe and sub-Saharan Africa. The presence of T1a2 chromosomes in Near Eastern Jewish and non-Jewish populations may reflect early exiles between the ancient lands of Israel and Babylon. The presence of different subclades of T chromosomes in Europe may be explained by both the spread of Neolithic farmers and the later dispersal of Jews from the Near East. Finally, the moderately high frequency (18%) of T1b* chromosomes in the Lemba of southern Africa supports the hypothesis of a Near Eastern, but not necessarily a Jewish, origin for their paternal line.
Umm, the so called Chohanim marker is Hg J*, you asshole.
Isaiah 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
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Troll Patty, this guy has curly hair at the root curly hair = black
or for a more jewfro look: curly hair = black pt 2
Chohanim marker
How come Muslims aren't subject to this biological profiling, evangalizing and converting all over the place?
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One of the oldest detailed depictions of Asiatics is from the 18th Dynasty, a pre Bronze Age collapse piece. Posts: 83 | Registered: Jul 2011
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Troll Patty, this guy has curly hair at the root curly hair = black
or for a more jewfro look: curly hair = black pt 2
Chohanim marker
How come Muslims aren't subject to this biological profiling, evangalizing and converting all over the place?
It's clear you ran out of arguments. So you start to randomly picture spam again. Creating delusional pseudo armchair theories. You empty skull.
Btw the man, the gay boy. Is from Luisiana. If you had common sense you would understand what it means.
The top one, Kenny G, has curly hair at the root indeed. So what has this to do with the ancient Hebrews, who are depicted with wooly hair? Or is it you're telling me he is a descendant of the Assyrians? lol
You are such a dumb and retarded racist, you just can't help yourself!
Pathetic individual. Ashkenazis are converts from the Khazar.
Welcome!
The Jewish E Project (formerly Jewish E3b Project) is open to all males in Y-DNA haplogroup E and any of its subclades, who have KNOWN Jewish ancestry on their direct paternal line (your father's father's father, etc).
The E haplogroup has been observed in all Jewish groups world wide. One of its major subclades, E1b1b (formerly E3b) is considered to be the 2nd most prevalent haplogroup among the Jewish population.
E-M35, which defines the E1b1b1 (formerly E3b1) haplogroup, is considered to be the second highest, next to J, for "Founding Jewish Lineages" in Europe.
It is found in moderate amounts in all Jewish populations, from Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Kurdish, Yemen, Samaritan and even among Djerba Jewish groups.
quote:Originally posted by sero: This Saudi also fits in.
What is it you are trying to explain? lol
quote: Khaled K Abu-Amero et al.
Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula
For the J, the West (37.5%) and Southeast (25.7%) regions have higher frequencies than the Central (17.6%) and North (16.3%) regions. Heterogeneity in the whole Peninsula is also significant .... being Saudi Arabia (21%) and Qatar (17.8%) the two countries with the highest J frequencies.
However,
This is mainly due to the comparatively high frequency of sub-Saharan lineages in Yemen (38%) compared to Oman-Qatar (16%) and to Saudi Arabia-UAE (10%). Most probably, the higher frequencies shown in southern countries reflect their greater proximity to Africa, separated only by the Bab al Mandab strait. However, when attending to the relative contribution of the different L haplogroups, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Yemen are highly similar for their L3 (34%), L2 (36%) and L0 (21%) frequencies whereas in Oman and UAE the bulk of L lineages belongs to L3 (72%).
Two potential migratory routes followed by modern humans to colonize Eurasia from Africa have been proposed. These are the two natural passageways that connect both continents: the northern route through the Sinai Peninsula and the southern route across the Bab al Mandab strait.
Recent archaeological and genetic evidence have favored a unique southern coastal route. Under this scenario, the study of the population genetic structure of the Arabian Peninsula, the first step out of Africa, to search for primary genetic links between Africa and Eurasia, is crucial.
The haploid and maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) molecule has been the most used genetic marker to identify and to relate lineages with clear geographic origins, as the African Ls and the Eurasian M and N that have a common root with the Africans L3.
"Particularly, Yemen has the largest contribution of L lineages (30). So, most probably, this area was the entrance gate of a portion of these lineages in prehistoric times, which participated in the building of the primitive Arabian population."
Under these suppositions, the Arabian Peninsula, as an obliged step between East Africa and South Asia, has gained crucial importance, and indeed several mtDNA studies have recently been published for this region [30-32]. However, it seems that the bulk of the Arab mtDNA lineages have northern Neolithic or more recent Asian or African origins....
Migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists within Africa based on population structure of Chad Basin and phylogeography of mitochondrial L3f haplogroup
We use high-resolution genetic data to investigate the genetic and linguistic support for hypotheses concerning the population history in the Chad Basin. The mitochondrial L3f3 haplogroup is found almost exclusively in Chadic speaking populations and its TMRCA corresponds well with archaeological and linguistic dates of the proposed migration of Chadic speaking pastoralists from East or North East Africa to the Chad Basin.
Haplogroup L3f is defined by the coding variants
3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.
..."The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."
"We then estimated pairwise FST genetic distances between populations (Additional file 4) and displayed these on a MDS plot (Figure 3). Interesting results are immediately evident – while Chadic populations form a relatively homogeneous group, the Cushitic populations split into two completely different clusters. The first group is composed of Horn of African populations, such as Ethiopian and Somali Cushitic populations, which are close to neighbouring Ethiopian Semitic speaking groups and relatively close also to Chadic people from the Chad Basin. The second Cushitic group is composed by more southern groups from Tanzania, i.e. Burunge and Iraqw, who occupy outlier positions even within the Afro-Asiatic MDS plot. In the MDS plot, geography is more strongly associated with genetic distance than is linguistic affiliation.
Overall, we observe that Chadic speaking populations are intermixed with other populations from Chad Basin, including Niger-Congo, Semitic, and Berber speaking people. In this context, it seems that the linguistic categories play a secondary role in structuring the genetic diversity."
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: I have SEEN IT AT THE CAIRO MUSEUM, AT THE SECOND FLOOR!!!!!!LOOOOL
A place you have never been to.
This shows that in some cases a person who has seen an artifact in person identifies it wrongly while the person who had better research but had not seen the item in person labeled it properly. This is what happens when you don't verify Mike's shyt. And you complain about wikipedia
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: I have SEEN IT AT THE CAIRO MUSEUM, AT THE SECOND FLOOR!!!!!!LOOOOL
A place you have never been to.
This shows that in some cases a person who has seen an artifact in person identifies it wrongly while the person who had better research but had not seen the item in person labeled it properly. This is what happens when you don't verify Mike's shyt. And you complain about wikipedia
toast
lioness productions every day like a vitamin
The funny part is that the Cairo museum has labels on the artifacts!LOL
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^^^Above I have added a second shot. I case you still don't understand the first one.
Btw, The oldest remains found are actually of the Natufians. ORRRR? lol
quote:Viktor Černư1 et al.
Haplogroup L3f is defined by the coding variants
3396-4218-15514-15944del and the control region motif 16209–16519 with a TMRCA of 57,100 ± 9,400 YBP. This haplogroup diversifies into sub-haplogroups L3f1, L3f2 and L3f3. The most geographically widespread sub-haplogroup is L3f1, which is distributed across the African continent [3] and also Arabia [32,33] and has a TMRCA of 48,600 ± 11,500 YBP.
..."The youngest clade, L3f1b2, seems to be more frequent in the Middle East. L3f1a seems to be older (37,700 ± 10,000 YBP) than its sister sub-haplogroup L3f1b and is also less diversified. A few samples from Chad belong to these sub-haplogroups: two to L3f1a and one to L3f1b3."
quote:Originally posted by sero: 1400BC. - 2000AD.
ARABIA IS AN EXTENSION OF AFRICA!!! NOT OF ASIA EURASIA OR EVEN EUROPE!!
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