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quote:
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Originally posted by Mike111:

However - "Mongol" Americans whole heartily adopted these customs from the Africans they encountered as they arrived in the Americas.


AFRICANS - That sounds strange doesn't it?

Aren't Polynesians supposed to come from Taiwan?

Actually it's all VERY NORMAL!

Just as with the drawing above where the Albino people tried to make Easter Island people (who they call Polynesians) look like them.

They also tried to make the Lapita people from Taiwan, the "SUPPOSED" ancestors of Polynesians, look as much like them as possible.


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Solomon Islands

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Fiji

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ACTUALLY THE CURRENT MULATTOES PRODUCED BY MONGOL AND EUROPEAN ADMIXTURE IS "VERY" RECENT - SEE THE HISTORY OF HAWAII.

The Polynesians probably originated in East Asia. I discuss this issue at the following website:

http://www.plosone.org/annotation/listThread.action?root=7003

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EASTER ISLAND

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SOLOMON ISLANDS 1906

http://www.solomonencyclopaedia.net/biogs/E000183b.htm

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Three Men of Roas Bay, Small Malaita Island, (Solomon Islands)

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The Chief's (of Bulaaha) Brother, near Maramasike Channel, Malaita Island, (Solomon Islands).

There was no single Malaitan identity, although there is unity in their origins, which appear to be Austronesian migrations from the north between 3,500 and 5,000 years ago. The oldest of the Malaitan descent groups now claim more than twenty-five generations, arrived at by telescoping early generations. The Kwara'ae often claim that their ancestors were the island's original settlers. Some To'aba'ita claim that at Foo'odo in the north there are old ruins of substantial stone fortifications which they assert show their ancestors to have been the first arrivals. (Daefa, Lost Temple video; Timmer 2008, 2011a, 2011b)

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Mike, how did their hair get "albinoized" ?

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Mike how did this kid's eyes get "albinoized" ???

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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Mike, how did their hair get "albinoized" ?

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Mike how did this kid's eyes get "albinoized" ???

It's the "P" gene Dummy!

Silly Things White People Say - like that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedZ7hosp_4

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so you are saying these boys had defective OCA 2 genes ( formerly called P gene) ?
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

so you are saying these boys had defective OCA 2 genes ( formerly called P gene) ?

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I am saying that a "Normal" "P" gene produces NORMAL amounts of Melanin. A "Mutated/Defective" "P" gene is an OCA gene, which produces varying lesser amounts of Melanin.

When Negroid (for lack of a better word) Black people have "Slightly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:


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When "Negroid" Black people have "Badly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:


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When our cousins the "Caucasoid" (for lack of a better word) Black people (above) have "Badly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:
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Cass - do you see the resemblance?

How about you Doxie?

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^Doxie, I know you're there.
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Can't see the last two pics, the link on them is broken Mike. Besides why should I answer you, you won't answer my questions or provide all the proof I've asked you for every since I came to this forum.
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"I am saying that a "Normal" "P" gene produces NORMAL amounts of Melanin." Mike111

There is no "Normal" "P" gene, unless you define the population specifically. If you are referring to the ancestral condition, please refer to a specific period.

People living between the African tropical rainforest and the surrounding ring of woodlands/savannahs certainly had a high amounts of melanin, due to the advantages of camouflage. Within the dappled multistoried rainforest, pygmies were never as dark as those living on the forest edge where bright sun and resulting dark shadows gave advantage to those with strong countershading. Those living beyond the woodland/savannas in the deserts benefitted from more phaeomelanin and less eumelanin, again due to camouflage, blending into the background.

The ancestral human condition changed from a dark fur coat with underlying white-ish skin, to a more pigmented apricot/gray color, which occurred due to inverting bowl nests (as made by today's ape mothers for their infants) in the forest subcanopy, into forest ground dome huts (mongolu: rainproof/mosquitoproof), which triggered selection for skin color variation.

An arctic white fox is not a 'diseased' 'badly mutated' 'Defective' gray fox, nor is a gray fox a 'diseased' 'badly mutated' 'Defective' white fox.
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Mike you gonna post those two pics again or what??
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

so you are saying these boys had defective OCA 2 genes ( formerly called P gene) ?

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I am saying that a "Normal" "P" gene produces NORMAL amounts of Melanin. A "Mutated/Defective" "P" gene is an OCA gene, which produces varying lesser amounts of Melanin.

When Negroid (for lack of a better word) Black people have "Slightly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:


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When "Negroid" Black people have "Badly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:


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When our cousins the "Caucasoid" (for lack of a better word) Black people (above) have "Badly" "Mutated/Defective" "P" genes, they produce people who look like this:
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Cass - do you see the resemblance?

How about you Doxie?


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Mike you moron that woman does not appear to be an Albino. You simply took a pic of an East Indian person and a White woman claiming the White woman to be an Albino East Indian when we are NOT.
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quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
"I am saying that a "Normal" "P" gene produces NORMAL amounts of Melanin." Mike111

There is no "Normal" "P" gene, unless you define the population specifically. If you are referring to the ancestral condition, please refer to a specific period.

People living between the African tropical rainforest and the surrounding ring of woodlands/savannahs certainly had a high amounts of melanin, due to the advantages of camouflage. Within the dappled multistoried rainforest, pygmies were never as dark as those living on the forest edge where bright sun and resulting dark shadows gave advantage to those with strong countershading. Those living beyond the woodland/savannas in the deserts benefitted from more phaeomelanin and less eumelanin, again due to camouflage, blending into the background.

The ancestral human condition changed from a dark fur coat with underlying white-ish skin, to a more pigmented apricot/gray color, which occurred due to inverting bowl nests (as made by today's ape mothers for their infants) in the forest subcanopy, into forest ground dome huts (mongolu: rainproof/mosquitoproof), which triggered selection for skin color variation.

An arctic white fox is not a 'diseased' 'badly mutated' 'Defective' gray fox, nor is a gray fox a 'diseased' 'badly mutated' 'Defective' white fox.
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LOL!

An Arctic fox is the result of a mutation.

You seem to want to blur the distinction between normal and abnormal.
By your blurred definition there is no difference between a Main Sequence Star, a Red giant, and a White Dwarf.
At least you should know which came first and which followed the original and why.
Can you tell the difference between which is normal and which is not?

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quote:
Originally posted by CelticWarrioress:
Mike you moron that woman does not appear to be an Albino. You simply took a pic of an East Indian person and a White woman claiming the White woman to be an Albino East Indian when we are NOT.

Sorry Doxie, but it is your people who have caused you so much grief in denying your true self.
Whites go to great lengths to hide their albinism and actually demonetized it to the point of it being unacceptable.
It didn't help that every other culture like Asians, Africans, and Indians saw blond hair an blue eyes as the mark of the devil.
Still, this is 2014 and people should not be afraid to come clean and embrace their true albino selves.
Convince your friends there at the klan to update their slogan from "White Power" to a more enlightened chat of "ALBINO POWER"!

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Narmer **** off Whitey hating Black racist pos. We Whites are NOT nor have we ever been Albinos. Everyone knows you & Mike hate Whites with a passion you can not control & you only use Albino as a racist epithet, a derogatory term meant to belittle, demean, degrade & dehumanize Whites. Sorry I am NOT nor have I ever been nor do I have any desire to be a member of the Klan. Why the heck would they want to change White power to Albino power, we are NOT Albinos you moron. I have an idea, go tell your buddies at the NOI, the NBPP, the BHIs, to join you in your effort to exterminate Whitey they'd be happy to help you Narmer.
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quote:
Originally posted by DD'eDeN:

People living between the African tropical rainforest and the surrounding ring of woodlands/savannahs certainly had a high amounts of melanin, due to the advantages of camouflage.

Within the dappled multistoried rainforest, pygmies were never as dark as those living on the forest edge where bright sun and resulting dark shadows gave advantage to those with strong countershading. Those living beyond the woodland/savannas in the deserts benefitted from more phaeomelanin and less eumelanin, again due to camouflage, blending into the background.

Humans as Chameleons, and I thought Cass and Lioness were sick.
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quote:
Originally posted by CelticWarrioress:
Narmer **** off Whitey hating Black racist pos. We Whites are NOT nor have we ever been Albinos. Everyone knows you & Mike hate Whites with a passion you can not control & you only use Albino as a racist epithet, a derogatory term meant to belittle, demean, degrade & dehumanize Whites. Sorry I am NOT nor have I ever been nor do I have any desire to be a member of the Klan. Why the heck would they want to change White power to Albino power, we are NOT Albinos you moron. I have an idea, go tell your buddies at the NOI, the NBPP, the BHIs, to join you in your effort to exterminate Whitey they'd be happy to help you Narmer.

Don't worry or be afraid Doxie,
Self hate can be a mother! There was a time that many blacks hated themselves because of their skin color mainly because some albino convinced them that black is a bad thing.

Look at that DD'whatever character hating himself and so confused he can actually think that the color black can be dominated by a recessive like white.

Free yourself and embrace you true albino self. Calling yourselves "white" is just a step away from the truth, albino.

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^So true;

She's real close.

Freedom awaits you Doxie.


Blacks didn't get well until they rejected the EUPHEMISM "Negro" and embraced the true meaning "BLACK".

To get well you must reject the EUPHEMISM "White" and embrace the true meaning "ALBINO".

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
How do I know blacks inhabited Europe. He is how.


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Based upon the work on La Brana Man, Loschbour Man and Stuttgart woman the researchers saw segregation of SNPs(Haplotypes) around the “white gene” (SLC24A5/ A111T/C11/ rs1426654 – these are many of the names used). This segregation pattern implies ORIGIN of the mutation. Europeans do NOT have the segregation around the mutation. South Asian/Indians show slightly more variation than Europeans but far less than Africans in that region. Africans have segregation (derived/underived) near the gene IN ADDITION to the derived of the ACTUAL genetic marker.

AHHH!!! The point is Europeans and all other populations outside of Africa came from a small group(subset) of Africans that left the continent. PERIOD.

Only the ignorant or disingenuous will say otherwise.

very little of the European phenotype originated IN Europe OR the Asian Steppes. Africans carry the 6-8 genetic markers that make the human skin "white". Light/white skin came from Africans. As unbelievable as it may sound. It is essentialy increase of these genetic markers that lead to white skin. Africans and Europeans have the same amount and capability for dark skin ie MC1R.98-99% each. (Kittles, Harding, Yakahama etc). It is the quantity of the OTHER genetic markers that are different.(called selective sweep/or purifying In the northern(AND SOUTHERN) hemishpere the levels of these other markers increased. Why? Read the studies.

Sorry boys, bottomline, light skin came first. Never thought I would here my-self say that.

They got their light skin AND Blue eyes from us.

Maybe the sunless, dark niches in Europe is where they refined their phenotype. Africans carry the all the genes that make Europeans. . .Europeans. That said. They are our long lost African brothers(wink).



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WHOA!!

and just think, just a year ago Lionese was in the MindOverMatter camp of white skin originated in Europe due to reduced UV levels.

Who says you can't teach an old dumb dog new tricks?

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So what is your opinion of xyyman's analysis?
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I think it's a nice graph that pretty much illustrates what I've been teaching you the last few years. I.E., The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.

Believe it or not, the story is told in the Bible with the Lepers who were obviously albinos suffering from melanoma.

Help me out. How many Lepers have you met, or how many news stories have you read about an Leprosy outbreak in your lifetime?

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Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

I think it's a nice graph that pretty much illustrates what I've been teaching you the last few years. I.E., The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.



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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.

Lioness, I'm about ready to cry.
And to think that I had some small part in showing you the light:
Well, I'm just overjoyed.

Btw - Now that you have seen the light of truth, will you now get rig of that ridiculous Black avatar and proudly proclaim your Albino self, with an appropriate avatar?

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Sorry Narmer & Mike, you two White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist sons of a pile of dung, that would be kinda hard for me to do considering Whites are NOT Albinos. Funny you & Mike are trying to do the same thing to Whites that you claim Whites did to Blacks. You're trying to make Whites hate ourselves for being White. As I said before everyone knows you only use Albino as a racist epithet towards Whites to demean, degrade & dehumanize Whites.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.

Lioness, I'm about ready to cry.
And to think that I had some small part in showing you the light:
Well, I'm just overjoyed.

Btw - Now that you have seen the light of truth, will you now get rig of that ridiculous Black avatar and proudly proclaim your Albino self, with an appropriate avatar?

Mike of which part of Africa do European types come from?
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quote:
Originally posted by CelticWarrioress:
Sorry Narmer & Mike, you two White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist sons of a pile of dung, that would be kinda hard for me to do considering Whites are NOT Albinos . Funny you & Mike are trying to do the same thing to Whites that you claim Whites did to Blacks. You're trying to make Whites hate ourselves for being White. As I said before everyone knows you only use Albino as a racist epithet towards Whites to demean, degrade & dehumanize Whites.

Doxie, White actually means ALBINO.
You can't have the colorless with the color.
Blacks have always worshipped the sun, while albinos embrace the darkness.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

Mike of which part of Africa do European types come from?

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Modern man evolved in Africa 400,000+ years ago, we have no way of knowing where each individual "Major Phenotype" evolved into it's present state:

i.e. Black Negroid,

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Black Caucasoid:


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Black Mongoloid.


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But common sense tells us that since these people left Africa via the Arabian peninsula, at the end of their time in Africa, they were East Africans.

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quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

Blacks have always worshipped the sun, while albinos embrace the darkness. [/QB]

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quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.


quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:

Mike of which part of Africa do European types come from?

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Modern man evolved in Africa 400,000+ years ago, we have no way of knowing where each individual "Major Phenotype" evolved into it's present state:


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Mike I'm disappointed. Surely with your research skills you could at least make some better guesses as to what African popultions people such as the above might have came from.

You say

"Modern man evolved in Africa 400,000+ years ago, we have no way of knowing where each individual "Major Phenotype" evolved into it's present state"

what do you mean " evolved into it's present state"
You're telling us people change and transform, "evolve" ??
I though "evolution" was some bogus concept white boys came up with ??

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quote:
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Mike I'm disappointed. Surely with your research skills you could at least make some better guesses as to what African popultions people such as the above might have came from.

You say

"Modern man evolved in Africa 400,000+ years ago, we have no way of knowing where each individual "Major Phenotype" evolved into it's present state"

what do you mean " evolved into it's present state"
You're telling us people change and transform, "evolve" ??
I though "evolution" was some bogus concept white boys came up with ??

Humans did NOT EVOLVE into Albinos, and more than they "EVOLVED" INTO ANY DISEASE!

A DISEASE IS AN "ACCIDENT" OF NATURE AND LIFE!


The idiot DD'eDeN requested a definition for DISEASE previously.

Websters:

Full Definition of DISEASE

dis·ease

: an illness that affects a person, animal, or plant : a condition that prevents the body or mind from working normally

2
: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady.


What DD'eDeN SHOULD have asked for was a definition for Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA):

Ha,ha,ha,ha:

The Albinos feeling us hot on their heels have CHANGED the definition, they do longer call it a "DISEASE".




from Orphanet Journal of Rare Diseases
OJRD

Oculocutaneous albinism (OCA) is a group of inherited disorders of melanin biosynthesis characterized by a generalized reduction in pigmentation of hair, skin and eyes.


He,he,he,he:

Typical Albino logic, if we don't SAY it's a disease, even though it matches the formal definition of disease:

It's NOT a diseases because WE CONTROL THE OFFICIAL DEFINITION OF EVERYTHING!!!!

Ha,ha,ha,ha:

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quote:
Originally posted by Narmerthoth:

I think it's a nice graph that pretty much illustrates what I've been teaching you the last few years. I.E., The OCA defect originates out of Africa and became fixed in Europe.



quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:


"Modern man evolved in Africa 400,000+ years ago, we have no way of knowing where each individual "Major Phenotype" evolved into it's present state"


quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:

Humans did NOT EVOLVE into Albinos, and more than they "EVOLVED" INTO ANY DISEASE!

A DISEASE IS AN "ACCIDENT" OF NATURE AND LIFE!


The idiot DD'eDeN requested a definition for DISEASE previously.

Websters:

Full Definition of DISEASE

dis·ease

: an illness that affects a person, animal, or plant : a condition that prevents the body or mind from working normally

2
: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady.


I question saying that a disease is an accident. One could say
there are natural reasons for diseases, perhaps a reaction to over population of some species. I'm not saying it's therefore good but it could be part of an ecosystem's structure

If the vast majority of whites don't have skin cancer and less have melanoma specifically then why would you call these people as an ethnic group a disease name?
That seems like inaccurate naming.

And shouldn't a people be able to select their own name?

I mean what if white people started calling blacks "Diabetes" or
"Sickle Cell" ???

And shouldn't a people be able to select their own name?

It seems like Doxies is right you are purposely being mean to white people by calling them albinos

Now maybe you think white people deserve to be treated meanly but then you should be honest then and say that rather than the bullcrap that you are compassionate toward them

Stop being two faced.
Khalid Muhammad of the New Black Panther Party who died in 2001 would freely say he hated white people and was proud of it because they were devils destroying the world and should be hated. He was never worried about people calling him hateful. His idea that hate can be justified in certain situations

So at least be honest

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^That load of crap sounds real nice Lioness, but it misses the mark.

Albinism is a disease that one gets by accident, there is no higher purpose to it (in spite of their great efforts to make it seem beneficial - the vitamin D thing). Why Dravidian Albinos CHOOSE to INBREED, is anyone's guess.

But what is known is the great horrors the Albinos have visited on normal people, under the pretext of defending themselves from the normal people.

So no, it is way tool late for semantic niceties, total truth is the only thing that can work now.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
^That load of crap sounds real nice Lioness, but it misses the mark.

Albinism is a disease that one gets by accident, there is no higher purpose to it (in spite of their great efforts to make it seem beneficial - the vitamin D thing). Why Dravidian Albinos CHOOSE to INBREED, is anyone's guess.

But what is known is the great horrors the Albinos have visited on normal people, under the pretext of defending themselves from the normal people.

So no, it is way tool late for semantic niceties, total truth is the only thing that can work now.

You cited this, as definition of disease:

dis·ease

: an illness that affects a person, animal, or plant : a condition that prevents the body or mind from working normally

2
: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady.

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albinos have debilitating eye problems that are not correctable with eye glasses
Some have skin cancer others don't


Most white people don't have debilitating eye problems that are not correctable with eye glasses
nor do most white people have skin cancer
So they are not diseased, with no symptoms

Dark skin is protective against skin cancer. It keeps a certain amount of sunlight from penetrating into the lower levels of skin.

Since light skin people have less of this barrier, sunlight gets faster. That is common sense and proven scientifically.

Since most of a person's Vitamin D comes from sunlight, if two people, one dark the other light, both of whom spend the same amount of time in the sun, the light skin one acquires more Vitamin D

therefore a light skinned person can acquire more Vitamin D in a given amount of time and this could be an advantage in areas with low sunlight

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also, Mike if you aint white then what business of it of yours to tell them what they should call themsleves?

You want them to call themselves albinos hoping that they will do this to benefit negroes?

Aren't you a lttle too concerned with what white people do?
They've got you thinking about them 24/7 and hoping they will do something out of their one self interest good will to benefit negroes.

And the plan wouldn't even work. If they are classified as "diseased" It makes no difference if you have no symptoms, none of these special vision problems or skin cancer.
So if they call themselves diseased then this is supposed to do a mircle for black self esteem.

What if someone was born with six fingers on one hand? Does this birth defect mean you are superior to them in every way?
Stop the foolishness

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
albinos have debilitating eye problems that are not correctable with eye glasses
Some have skin cancer others don't


Most white people don't have debilitating eye problems that are not correctable with eye glasses
nor do most white people have skin cancer
So they are not diseased, with no symptoms

Dark skin is protective against skin cancer. It keeps a certain amount of sunlight from penetrating into the lower levels of skin.

Since light skin people have less of this barrier, sunlight gets faster. That is common sense and proven scientifically.

Since most of a person's Vitamin D comes from sunlight, if two people, one dark the other light, both of whom spend the same amount of time in the sun, the light skin one acquires more Vitamin D

therefore a light skinned person can acquire more Vitamin D in a given amount of time and this could be an advantage in areas with low sunlight

The proof of your Albino degeneracy is here:

That lying nonsense has been debunked countless times on this very forum, yet here you are presenting it once again. Surely that behavior in itself is a sickness/disease.

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Narmerthoth: "An Arctic fox is the result of a mutation. You seem to want to blur the distinction between normal and abnormal.
By your blurred definition there is no difference between a Main Sequence Star, a Red giant, and a White Dwarf. At least you should know which came first and which followed the original and why.
Can you tell the difference between which is normal and which is not?"

I simply do not have time to play games.

Case Closed. Thanks for your response.

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^ Final grade: F

Reason: Relies on Wiki too much and fails to understand the subject.

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All life is the result of a mutation (the first).
Mutations allow for localized adaptation via natural selection.

Wiki? None of what I wrote referred to Wikipedia. I knew this before there was a Wikipedia.

Normal is a type of distribution of events/points, cf bell curve. Abnormal is anything not near the top of the curve.
That is why I asked for a specific date range.

I know you don't comprehend what I write, that's ok, cheerleaders don't need to know how to play ball.

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Ahu Nau Nau, Easter Island
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=009344;p=1#000043

Dr. Winters: "Did Africans construct these sculptures? I can not really say that the Easter Island heads were built by Africans."

Dr. Winters, the lioness, perhaps you will want to see this new article about Easter Island / Rapa Nui / Moai / top-hats / rongorongo
https://www.academia.edu/9418177/The_Great_Ones_of_Rapa_Nui_Revised_?auto=download&campaign=weekly_digest

Note: Egypt pyramid: pyramidion/benben/(b)nubbin/nipple/tipi/topi(Malay:hat) = Moai = priest top hat ~ mongolu (Mbuti) = breast/mound/ma's dome hut

(wiki)"From the earliest times, the portrayal of Benben was stylised in two ways; the first was as a pointed, pyramidal form, which was probably the model for pyramids and obelisks. The other form was round-topped"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benben

[benben/bnbn~ stupa/tsu.pagoda/shivalingam/obelisk/yeshiva-lechem][tsuba(J:sword mount/mound]

Note: weben/wbn did not originally mean rise or shine, but woven/webbed dome roof which reflected (roof/doff/loft + lighted/(di)rected) both sun rays & cloud rains.

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