History of Rap Music: The First Rap Songs Ever Recorded
Origins of Rap - Rap Music Originated in Medieval Europe (updated): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFk2g... The first rap song that was ever recorded was 'Kinesiska Muren' With Swedish artist Evert Taube which was recorded in the 1920's. Rap music originated in medieval Scottish pubs. So-called rap battles, where two or more performers trade elaborate insults, derive from the ancient Caledonian art of "flyting".
Scots took the tradition with them to the United States, where it was adopted and developed, emerging many years later as rap. There is a clear link between this tradition for settling scores in Scotland and rap battles, which were famously portrayed in Eminem's 2002 movie 8 Mile.
The Scots have a lengthy tradition of flyting - intense verbal jousting, often laced with vulgarity, that is similar to the dozens that one finds among contemporary inner-city African-American youth.
Both cultures accord high marks to satire. The skilled use of satire takes this verbal jousting to its ultimate level - one step short of a fist fight.
The most famous surviving example of flyting comes from a 16th-century piece in which two rival poets hurl increasingly obscene rhyming insults at one another before the Court of King James IV.
Titled the Flyting Of Dunbar And Kennedy, it has been described by academics as "just over 500 lines of filth".
Professor Szasz cites an American civil war poem, printed in the New York Vanity Fair magazine on November 9, 1861, as the first recorded example of the battles being used in the United States.
Comparing flyting and rap battles, he said: "Two people engage in ritual verbal duelling and the winner has the last word in the argument, with the loser falling conspicuously silent."
Flyting or fliting is a contest consisting of the exchange of insults, often conducted in verse, between two parties.
Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. The root is the Old English word flitan meaning quarrel (from Old Norse word flyta meaning provocation). Examples of flyting are found throughout Norse, Anglo-Saxon and Medieval European literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion.
Norse literature contains stories of the gods flyting. For example in Lokasenna the god Loki insults the other gods in the hall of Ægir and the poem Hárbarðsljóð in which Hárbarðr (generally considered to be Odin in disguise) engages in flyting with Thor.
In the confrontation of Beowulf and Unferð in the poem Beowulf, flytings were used as either a prelude to battle or as a form of combat in their own right.
In Anglo-Saxon England, flyting would take place in a feasting hall. The winner would be decided by the reactions of those watching the exchange. The winner would drink a large cup of beer or mead in victory, then invite the loser to drink as well.
The 13th century poem The Owl and the Nightingale and Geoffrey Chaucer's Parlement of Foules contain elements of flyting.
Flyting became public entertainment in Scotland in the 15th and 16th centuries where makars would engage in verbal contests of provocative, often sexual and scatological but highly poetic abuse. Flyting was permitted despite the fact that the penalty for profanities in public was a fine of 20 shillings (over £300 in 2014 prices) for a lord or a whipping for servant. James IV and James V encouraged "court flyting" between poets for their entertainment and occasionally engaged with them. The Flyting of Dumbar and Kennedie records a contest between William Dunbar and Walter Kennedy in front of James IV, which includes the earliest recorded use of the word **** as a personal insult. In 1536 the poet Sir David Lyndsay composed a ribald 60 line flyte to James V after the King demanded a response to a flyte.
Flytings appear in several of William Shakespeare's plays. Margaret Galway analysed 13 comic flytings and several other ritual exchanges in the tragedies. Flytings also appear in the Nicholas Udall's Ralph Roister Doister and John Still' Gammer Gurton's Needle from the same era.
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I take an interest in this only because I happened to hear two Albino youth on MTV talking: the gist of which was that Debbie Harry and Blonde "Invented" Rap music with the song "Rapture" (1980).
"Modern Rap" has it true roots in the word "RHAPSODIZE". This was the Poetic way in which young Black males "Chatted up" young girls. Those successful at it, had a "Bad Rap".
Please note the following from Websters (surprisingly accurate):
Full Definition of RHAPSODIZE intransitive verb :to speak or write in a rhapsodic manner.
Rhapsodic 1: extravagantly emotional: rapturous 2: resembling or characteristic of a rhapsody.
rhapsody a piece of music that is meant to express a lot of emotion and does not have a regular form.
a written or spoken expression of great enthusiasm, praise, etc.
Definition of RAP 1: a sharp blow or knock 2: a sharp rebuke or criticism b : a negative and often undeserved reputation or charge —often used with bum or bad <given a bum rap by the press>
Origin of RAP Middle English rappe First Known Use: 14th century
Definition of RAP transitive verb 1: to snatch away or upward 2: enrapture
Origin of RAP back-formation from rapt First Known Use: 1599
Definition of RAP 1: talk, conversation; also : a line of talk : patter
2: a rhythmic chanting often in unison of usually rhymed couplets to a musical accompaniment b: a piece so performed First Known Use of RAP 1967
Rap noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Musical style in which rhythmic and/or rhyming speech is chanted (“rapped”) to musical accompaniment. This backing music, which can include digital sampling (music and sounds extracted from other recordings), is also called hip-hop, the name used to refer to a broader cultural movement that includes rap, deejaying (turntable manipulation), graffiti painting, and breakdancing. Rap, which originated in African American communities in New York City, came to national prominence with the Sugar Hill Gang's “Rapper's Delight” (1979). Rap's early stars included Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Run-D.M.C., LL Cool J, Public Enemy (who espoused a radical political message), and the Beastie Boys. The late 1980s saw the advent of “gangsta rap,” with lyrics that were often misogynistic or that glamorized violence and drug dealing. More recent stars have included Sean “Puffy” Combs, Jay-Z, OutKast, and Eminem.
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"I happened to hear two Albino youth on MTV talking: the gist of which was that Debbie Harry and Blonde "Invented" Rap music with the song "Rapture" (1980)."
Oh My God !!!
Does their degeneracy know no limit ???
Doxie/CelticWarrioress what do you have to say about this ?
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Kdolo/Mike, I have better things to do than debate about rap (Retards Attempting Poetry). I don't care one way or another about who invented stinking rap, I hate rap and don't listen to it. At least I can post without using racist epithets unlike you Kdolo/Mike.
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Europeans were black. Whites like to steal everything. This is about money. The whites want some of the millions that black wins with rap music. and the Jews want to sell rap for albinos.
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Malibudusul is back, were is Lionness. Many Scottish people claims they are the descendants of black Egyptians, the Scottish might have get the flyrting or raping from the Ancient Egyptians. The griot story tellers of West Africa who tell story by playing their harps might have been the first rappers.
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quote:Originally posted by kdolo: "I happened to hear two Albino youth on MTV talking: the gist of which was that Debbie Harry and Blonde "Invented" Rap music with the song "Rapture" (1980)."
Oh My God !!!
Does their degeneracy know no limit ???
Doxie/CelticWarrioress what do you have to say about this ?
That's funny, because Debbie was introduced to this black sub- culture by Fab 5 Freddy, who is from the Bronx originally.
There were many rap songs out already, before this time. LOL Put out by labels such as Sugar Hill, Enjoy Records.
1828 edition of Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language
quote: 44565
rap
RAP, v.i. [L. rapio, rapidus, rapid.]
To strike with a quick sharp blow; to knock; as, to rap on the door. RAP, v.t. To strike with a quick blow; to knock.
with one great peal they rap the door. To rap out, to utter with sudden violence; as, to rap out an oath. [In the popular language of the United States, it is often pronounced rip, to rip out an oath; L. crepo.] RAP, v.t.
1. to seize and bear away, as the mind or thoughts; to transport out of one's self; to affect with ecstasy or rapture; as rapt into admiration. I'm rapt with joy to see my Marcia's tears. Rapt into future times the bar begun. 2. To snatch or hurry away. And rapt with whirling wheels. Rapt in a chariot drawn by fiery steeds. 3. To seize by violence. 4. To exchange; to truck. [Low and not used.] To rap and rend, to seize and tear or strip; to fall on and plunder; to snatch by violence. They brought off all they could rap and rend. [See Rend.] RAP, n. a quick smart blow; as a rap on the knuckles.
It will only take time, for time now to quickly "adjust it, to cover up a lie with another lie".
It's ironic, because during the late 70' they destroyed and burn disco-funk records. Of course these were records of black musicians. Rap came from disco-funk, as we can clearly here in early rap songs. These early formally jazz musicians were the same musicians who made, guess what...yep, disco-funk.
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quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: Europeans were black. Whites like to steal everything. This is about money. The whites want some of the millions that black wins with rap music. and the Jews want to sell rap for albinos.
They used to call it nigger music. Now that it has become popular, they try to make a buck out of it. And they go far....by claiming it as the originators.
It's odd, where is this tendency coming from always lying claiming stuff from others.
quote: Its roots are in the sounds of the African Or should I say the mother, bringing us back again From the drumming on the Congo it came with a strong flow And continue to grow Feet moved to the beat of the t'balo Now dig the story and follow For then it landed on American soil Through the sweat, the blood, and the toil It praised the lord, shouted on chain gangs Pain it felt, but it helped them to maintain Scott Joplin's rags, Bessie Smith's blues St. Louis blues, they were all the news Ringing smooth in all the listeners ears Fulfilling the needs, and planting the seeds Of a jazz thing
[Verse 2: Guru] King Oliver's group was a train coming through To Chicago, bringing the New Orleans groove And when Satchmo blew, the audience knew Basin Street blues was the whole house tune It was music, great to dance to Great to romance to with a lot to say to you Relaying a message, revealing the essence Of a jazz thing In the 40's came be-bop, the first be-bop The real be-bop, so let me talk About Diz and Bird, giving the word Defining how a beat could be so complete Playing with ferocity, thinking with velocity About Ornithology, or Anthropology And even Epistrophy, and this is real history Thelonious Monk, a melodious thunk No mistakes were made with the notes he played His conception, was recondite A star glowing bright among dim lights The critics did cite that he sounded alright Charlie Mingus, such nimble fingers Dropping the bass, all over the place And Max Roach, cymbals socking Bass drum talking, snare drum rocking Restructuring, the metaphysics of a jazz thing
[Verse 3: Guru] John Coltrane, a man supreme He was the cream, he was the wise one The impression of Afro Blue And of the promise, that was not kept He was a giant step, and there was Ornette Coleman He was another soul man The original invisible, playing great music I wonder why the bankers couldn't use it Now listen see The real mystery is how music history Created Paul Whiteman or any other white man And pretended he originated... And contended that he innovated... A jazz thing (Of course we know who could really blow) Scheming on the meaning of a jazz thing
[Verse 4: Guru] And this music ain't dead, so don't be misled By those who said that jazz is on it's deathbed Cause when Betty Carter sings a song Ain't nothing goin on, but simply good music And you won't refuse it She's taking her time, makin the nuances rhyme Sonny Rollins, tenor saxophone With a big old tone, reciting poems With notes as words, and haven't you heard (Next stop butter, right past oleo) Now there's young cats blowing And more and more people, yes they will be knowing Jazz ain't the past, the music's gonna last And as the facts unfold, remember who foretold The 90's, will be the decade of a jazz thing A jazz thing
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Hypocrite much Troll Patrol?? What exactly are you, Mike, Kdolo, Habsburg, Clyde, Mena7, XyYThater, Jantavanta, etc trying to do to us? Sorry can't condemn someone for doing something you yourself are doing. You know the saying those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones LOL.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by malibudusul: Europeans were black. Whites like to steal everything. This is about money. The whites want some of the millions that black wins with rap music. and the Jews want to sell rap for albinos.
They used to call it nigger music. Now that it has become popular, they try to make a buck out of it. And they go far....by claiming it as the originators.
It's odd, where is this tendency coming from always lying claiming stuff from others.
quote: Its roots are in the sounds of the African Or should I say the mother, bringing us back again From the drumming on the Congo it came with a strong flow And continue to grow Feet moved to the beat of the t'balo Now dig the story and follow For then it landed on American soil Through the sweat, the blood, and the toil It praised the lord, shouted on chain gangs Pain it felt, but it helped them to maintain Scott Joplin's rags, Bessie Smith's blues St. Louis blues, they were all the news Ringing smooth in all the listeners ears Fulfilling the needs, and planting the seeds Of a jazz thing
[Verse 2: Guru] King Oliver's group was a train coming through To Chicago, bringing the New Orleans groove And when Satchmo blew, the audience knew Basin Street blues was the whole house tune It was music, great to dance to Great to romance to with a lot to say to you Relaying a message, revealing the essence Of a jazz thing In the 40's came be-bop, the first be-bop The real be-bop, so let me talk About Diz and Bird, giving the word Defining how a beat could be so complete Playing with ferocity, thinking with velocity About Ornithology, or Anthropology And even Epistrophy, and this is real history Thelonious Monk, a melodious thunk No mistakes were made with the notes he played His conception, was recondite A star glowing bright among dim lights The critics did cite that he sounded alright Charlie Mingus, such nimble fingers Dropping the bass, all over the place And Max Roach, cymbals socking Bass drum talking, snare drum rocking Restructuring, the metaphysics of a jazz thing
[Verse 3: Guru] John Coltrane, a man supreme He was the cream, he was the wise one The impression of Afro Blue And of the promise, that was not kept He was a giant step, and there was Ornette Coleman He was another soul man The original invisible, playing great music I wonder why the bankers couldn't use it Now listen see The real mystery is how music history Created Paul Whiteman or any other white man And pretended he originated... And contended that he innovated... A jazz thing (Of course we know who could really blow) Scheming on the meaning of a jazz thing
[Verse 4: Guru] And this music ain't dead, so don't be misled By those who said that jazz is on it's deathbed Cause when Betty Carter sings a song Ain't nothing goin on, but simply good music And you won't refuse it She's taking her time, makin the nuances rhyme Sonny Rollins, tenor saxophone With a big old tone, reciting poems With notes as words, and haven't you heard (Next stop butter, right past oleo) Now there's young cats blowing And more and more people, yes they will be knowing Jazz ain't the past, the music's gonna last And as the facts unfold, remember who foretold The 90's, will be the decade of a jazz thing A jazz thing
Love the music from that era..conscious stuff.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Hypocrite much Troll Patrol?? What exactly are you, Mike, Kdolo, Habsburg, Clyde, Mena7, XyYThater, Jantavanta, etc trying to do to us? Sorry can't condemn someone for doing something you yourself are doing. You know the saying those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones LOL.
Love your post, you unconsciously admitted that I am right.
You also unconsciously admitted that these other posters (researchers) are right in their post-research!
You unconsciously admitted that you have a ripoff tradition, and that you are proud of this.
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No I didn't Troll Patrol. You are NOT right & neither are your White people hating, Black supremacist brethren either as you have NEVER provided any proof except your Black supremacist assertions. I was simply saying its hypocritical of you to accuse us of stealing & to degrade us for what you accuse us of when you and yours are doing the exact same thing you accuse us of.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: No I didn't Troll Patrol. You are NOT right & neither are your White people hating, Black supremacist brethren either as you have NEVER provided any proof except your Black supremacist assertions. I was simply saying its hypocritical of you to accuse us of stealing & to degrade us for what you accuse us of when you and yours are doing the exact same thing you accuse us of.
Yes, you did and do. LOL
We aren't stealing anything. I am not stealing anything. You cannot even properly make a statement and argument on what is being stolen from you.
However, the opposite is being done. Ie. by proper argumentation. See, the character "lioness"is fighting like hell. But usually looses.
Braniac, dumb-dumb, bust the scientifical Approach to the course and the force is centrifugal Can ya find ya way through the lyrics that be cathcin em Throw another rhyme across the room they be fetchin em And they take a loss, take a loss to the master and I Throws crazy blows and they knows I be plasterin All across the room on the ceilings and the walls to Punk little suckers didn't know I had the gall to Come around they block with my cocked diesel system and Turn it up to 10 and then start to this em and They didn't wanna battle if they did when they saw me They'd a open up they trunk but they try to ignore me Hey little suckers I know you hear me callin you Cause you wanted some but I see that you ougta do Frontin ain't no future and you're frontin so let's get I on Like marvin gaye, take the cash and siti it on The hood of ya wick-wack low-ridin cadillac Back up ya boys and let's start the battle Act like, ya know, the masta ace don't play when it come to my bass, aahhhh
Chorus: Check it out baby, check it out y'all I was born to roll (repeat several)
Drivin down the block like what else should a brother do It's saturday, it's saturday, the heat might smother you Rollin down my windows yeah I have a air-conditioner But I got the sound I want the whole world to listen ta Waitin at a red light, kentucky fried chicken in Low end theory tape in, bass crazy kickin in See this puerto rican latin chico rico suave In a red corolla eh yo does he wanna play Pullin up beside me, lookin like he want it Show me what ya got then watch me get up on it Holdin up traffic but we can't hear they horns Cause he music a grande yeah he got it goin on Bit I think I better school him cause he don't know the time So I'm turnin up the boom cause he cannot mess with mine Brothers hear me hittin from like 50 blocks away I Wanna turn they heads so you know I gotta play High decibels passin through a residential district See a few cuties and I turn it up like this quick Mira, mira man don't sleep, I got tha, I got tha, I got tha woofers in my jeep
Black boy, black boy turn that **** down You know that america don't wanna hear the sound Of the bass drum jungle music go back to africa Nigga I'll arrest ya if ya holdin up trafffic I'll be damned if I listen, so cops save your breath and Write another ticket if ya have any left and I'm breakin ear drums while I'm breakin the law I'm disturbin all the peace cause sister souljah said war So catch me if ya can, if ya can here's a donut Cause once ya drive away, yo I'm gonna go nut And turn it up to where it was before nice try But ya can't stop the power of the bass in ya eye I wonder if I blasted a little elvis presley Would they pull me over and attempt to arrest me I really doubt doubt it, they probably start dancin Jumpin on my tip and pissin in they pants and Wigglin and jigglin and grabbin on they pelvis But you know my name so you never hear no elvis Strictly the hardcore dirty street level hits God's on my side so watch what the devil gets Positivity hittin 50 levels deep Comin out, they comin out the woofers in my jeep
Chorus
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Bull Crap Troll Patrol you White people hating, Black supremacist liar. You don't call claiming history that isn't yours stealing? You don't call trying to claim every important person in history in Europe as Black stealing? Wrong Troll Patrol, as I've already said you and your ilk won't provide any proof of what you claim, I know I've asked time and time again.
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quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Bull Crap Troll Patrol you White people hating, Black supremacist liar. You don't call claiming history that isn't yours stealing? You don't call trying to claim every important person in history in Europe as Black stealing? Wrong Troll Patrol, as I've already said you and your ilk won't provide any proof of what you claim, I know I've asked time and time again.
Name, show and PROOF, white supremacist black hating!
Not in a manner for you to prosper You are Ab-so-lete unless You can handle the ball during a full-court press When the weak emotion of love fails to bring hope Kneel to your master nigga, invoke the strongest emotion
Known to mankind HATE!
Awww, you are sadly mistaken if you think my Aryan race Can be taken out by the likes of you Apes, Kikes Conservative nigga loving Gooks, Spooks, and Dykes My Spikes, bald headed white laces Braces the fact that I'm prepared for vicious acts of war
WHITE POWER!
HATE!
Prince Poetry:
A fucking taxpayer who salutes to a Confederate flag My chain and thoughts is on the rag Aryan ways learned from my grand-dad I'm on my toes around these monkeys and spics I thank God that I'm white, pure and don't mix We need to snatch up these niggas and fags, reissue slave tags Regain job positions, remain in control of opposition Placed here to be the scum of the earth, serving us hand and foot
I'll rape 'em and slave 'and trade 'em from birth Never to overlook the main crook who disperse shook Versions of the bible, Sabotaging **** since Christophers arrival Hate!
Making them Indian pay for survival Now life for Ricans and Coons is homicidal We Neo-Nazis seek nothing but world domination God's plan is for us to seek and destroy man's false creation It's exerted in the good book of Revelations Set up to destroy spades and Jews from hidden stations So my offspring's can end all this confusion for good No more smooching off of welfare for jiggaboos in the so-called hood
Sickle cells decreasing your death rate, you black bitch But I like the way you suck my wood Germ grenades now in the form of A.I.D.S. were made to wipe you out
But now them queers got that **** semi-reversed running about I'm off to college with a knapsack of sacrilegious artifacts Notes from the Grand Dragon, swastika, three grams, two gats with
HATE!
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