Tukuler
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You're welcome.
Kittles' paper is 20 years and yes refinements've been made since then, still, the 8 OCA types capable of residual melanin production was known before then.
I left out other info that may interest you so go dwnld the article.
Kittles' real value-add is the vitamin D deficit archeo-anthropology on rickets. Also his quoting proof that an albino couple must birth a healthy non-albino if each parent's OCA is different in type.
The peopling of Europe is a complicated matter due to its proximity to both Africa and the real Asia.
Geneticist findings are contradictory on colour loss in European peoples. Nor am I sure there is any agreement on the various migration s dates and point of origin of the migrants and genetic transfer characteristic leading to today's European regional populations and the twilight of previous occupants.
I just can't see dovetailing the hypotheses into a coherent satisfactory synthesis.
Please comment.
My invitation is open to all who can provide more than just pictorial evidence on the post-LGM phenoypes of the peoples already in Europe and the peoples who came to settle there from the * northern 3rd of Africa * Levant * trans-Urals Asia * (?) N America & Circumpolar
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Nature, Origin, and Variation of Human Pigmentation Rick Kittles Journal of Black Studies Vol. 26, No. 1 (Sep., 1995), pp. 36-61 Published by: Sage Publications, Inc.
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Ah Tukulur posting albino lies and garbage, like a typical delusional idiot. I cannot bring myself to still believe he still believes the loss of pigmentation garbage, WHEN MODERN WHITE EUROPEANS ARE NOT EUROPEANS IDIOT! THEY ARE EURASIAN AND SIBERIAN MIGRANTS AND THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE OF EUROPEAN FEATURES BEING PHYSICAL ADAPTATIONS!
Like the typical sophomoric and moronic ignoramus that he is, he has to post outdated and easily refutable papers based on flawed research and sampling methods made by the European albino's in order to cover his ass and his delusional idiocracy; but also as defensive infantile behavior on his part, since he can't admit he is wrong about Whites being albino's and not a race, and resorting to childish fallacious arguments of authority.
And despite the countless GENETIC, SCIENTIFIC, ANECDOTAL, AND DIRECT & INDIRECT EVIDENCE PROVING WHITE EUROPEANS ARE ALBINO'S, THAT HAS BEEN POSTED ON EGYPTSEARCH, BASED ON RESEARCH BY EUROPEAN ALBINO'S THEMSELVES; this idiot still keeps posting dumb and lying idiotic resources and research papers that don't prove jackshit or disprove that Whites are albino's.
And this guy is considered a "veteran" of Egyptsearch? Man the stupidity here amazes me!
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Tukuler
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: [QB] Ah Tukulur posting albino lies and garbage, like a typical delusional idiot. I cannot bring myself to still believe he still believes the loss of pigmentation garbage, WHEN MODERN WHITE EUROPEANS ARE NOT EUROPEANS IDIOT! THEY ARE EURASIAN AND SIBERIAN MIGRANTS AND THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE OF EUROPEAN FEATURES BEING PHYSICAL ADAPTATIONS!
would it be correct to say the concept of adaptation is a myth?
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TYPO
top post said 'point' it should say points' (plural)
Corrigendum: Geneticist findings are contradictory on colour loss in European peoples. Nor am I sure there is any agreement on the various migrations' dates and points of origin of the migrants and genetic transfer characteristic leading to today's European regional populations and the twilight of previous occupants
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quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Ah Tukulur posting albino lies and garbage, like a typical delusional idiot. I cannot bring myself to still believe he still believes the loss of pigmentation garbage, WHEN MODERN WHITE EUROPEANS ARE NOT EUROPEANS IDIOT! THEY ARE EURASIAN AND SIBERIAN MIGRANTS AND THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE OF EUROPEAN FEATURES BEING PHYSICAL ADAPTATIONS!
Like the typical sophomoric and moronic ignoramus that he is, he has to post outdated and easily refutable papers based on flawed research and sampling methods made by the European albino's in order to cover his ass and his delusional idiocracy; but also as defensive infantile behavior on his part, since he can't admit he is wrong about Whites being albino's and not a race, and resorting to childish fallacious arguments of authority.
And despite the countless GENETIC, SCIENTIFIC, ANECDOTAL, AND DIRECT & INDIRECT EVIDENCE PROVING WHITE EUROPEANS ARE ALBINO'S, THAT HAS BEEN POSTED ON EGYPTSEARCH, BASED ON RESEARCH BY EUROPEAN ALBINO'S THEMSELVES; this idiot still keeps posting dumb and lying idiotic resources and research papers that don't prove jackshit or disprove that Whites are albino's.
And this guy is considered a "veteran" of Egyptsearch? Man the stupidity here amazes me!
I did some 1800s research on the "natural loss of pigmintation" theory and it was a waste of my time. But does their need to be a natural change in pigmentation to establish a race? A phenotype? The main reason that theory exists is because its an attempt to explain what could be argued as a birth defect as an advantage via adaptation.
I know MOM you have been diving into all sorts of 1800 records of when they first started foundation on their academia. Some of the conclusions they were coming to actually made me laugh out loud. But some of that junk they brough past the 21st century while leaving more truthful conclusions "behind".
But what I've noticed is that in order to have a back and forth debate with them, blacks will sometimes "compromise" by meeting them halfway. As in holding on to outdated theories, blantant falsehoods etc.
Anything other than that results in whites getting easily confused (result of them getting caught in their web of lies) or just not responding. But I dont really care about debating someone, I just want truth.
What I've come to find is that most of the time your average debating troll isn't really debating if something is true, but just defending an idea. Common sense will be thrown out the window in forming conclusions, gathering info etc.
I think that the papers that were referenced were from 1995? Its interesting that no one is concerned with why these stupid theories have been resurrected or put on life support passed the 1800s where there was ample evidence to show their was no truth in them.
Its like I said before, most academia today is probably a systematic cartoon show, with those not in the loop just parroting the nonsense to hold on to illusionary vain titles like "authorities" and "professors".
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Well I read in JA Rogers about Posche proposing N Euros deriving from the endemic albinism of Rokitno swamp dwellers.
Next I read it from Charles Finch as reprinted in an Ivan vanSertima journal.
Then Kittles presented his take on N Euros being by definition albino.
Though Posche was a19th century Euro himself I trust everyone knows Rogers, Finch, and Kittles are black.
Their science is much more valuable than centuries old travelogues that use no genetics or medical science.
Why are blacks reticent to research and build on what previous independent minded black academicians left for us?
Starting at square one every decade is antithetical to progress. Makes stagnation.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Well I read in JA Rogers about Posche proposing N Euros deriving from the endemic albinism of Rokitno swamp dwellers.
Next I read it from Charles Finch as reprinted in an Ivan vanSertima journal.
Then Kittles presented his take on N Euros being by definition albino.
Kittles points out that,as a group, Caucasians are not albinos and although making the point that the Irish Celts marriage pattern would keep more of the albinism allele, calls them albinoids not albinos.
Kittles, R. 1995 “Nature, Origin, and Variat4ion of Human Pigmentation,”Journal of Black Studies 26(1): 36-61
Kittles 1995 p. 51-52
quote:Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion. Because the broad range of phenotypes exemplified within the 10 types of albinism, caution should be used in suggesting that an entire population of people are albinos. Europeans as a group transcend albinism as defined above. The diversity that exists in the skin pigmentation of many Europeans may be explained by natural selection or admixture with Africans especially in the Mediterranean area.
There are, of course, certain population within Europe who exhibit extremely air skin, red or light hair, and blue eyes. These types exemplified by the Celtic speaking peoples of Ireland have the third highest rate of skin cancer deaths in the world (Robbins 1991). Ireland has a history of consanguinity, and this type of mating pattern would be needed in order to retain the recessive genes for albinism in the population.
quote:Though Posche was a19th century Euro himself I trust everyone knows Rogers, Finch, and Kittles are black.
Their science is much more valuable than centuries old travelogues that use no genetics or medical science.
Why are blacks reticent to research and build on what previous independent minded black academicians left for us?
Starting at square one every decade is antithetical to progress. Makes stagnation.
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Can you quote Kitties saying N Euros are not albino because the following quote he says that strict definition they are. Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Can you quote Kitties saying N Euros are not albino because the following quote he says that strict definition they are. Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion.
quote:Europeans as a group transcend albinism as defined above. The diversity that exists in the skin pigmentation of many Europeans may be explained by natural selection or admixture with Africans especially in the Mediterranean area.
Europeans as a group go-beyond the definition. Similarly in your quote what Kittles is saying is that many Europeans with reduced are "albinoids", i.e. heterozygous albino allele (carriers)
quote:Ireland has a history of consanguinity, and this type of mating pattern would be needed in order to retain the recessive genes for albinism in the population.
Even here for Ireland-- retaining the recessive genes involves "albinoids" heterozygous albinism alleles i.e. carriers.
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OK then please present info that contradicts Finch and Kittles. Make sure that up date is from African descended researchers in an Black/African publication because my three sources are all Black.
And how come you were silent when it came to Fanboy's 19th century all white sources?
Subjective double standard you're employing there Primo huh? Why is that? Personalities.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Kittles ******1995***** p. 51-52
we have come a long way since then......
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I quite well know how to read so don't patronize me, just say that your interpretation is counter to mine. Kittles explicitly differentiates northern Euros from northern Meds and from Africans.
Bottom line is non-trait blond and blue Euros are so because of the same genes albinos harbour thus they are albino-like (albinoid) but not actual albinos.
And check Fanboys Freudian slip
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: ] Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Even they have confused ACTUAL albino's for their own
even he deep in the subconscious recesses of his mind recognizes Euros en mass are not actual albinos ie OCULOcutaneous.
quote:Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Can you quote Kitties saying N Euros are not albino because the following quote he says that strict definition they are. Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion.
quote:Europeans as a group transcend albinism as defined above. The diversity that exists in the skin pigmentation of many Europeans may be explained by natural selection or admixture with Africans especially in the Mediterranean area.
Europeans as a group go-beyond the definition. Similarly in your quote what Kittles is saying is that many Europeans with reduced are "albinoids", i.e. heterozygous albino allele (carriers)
quote:Ireland has a history of consanguinity, and this type of mating pattern would be needed in order to retain the recessive genes for albinism in the population.
Even here for Ireland-- retaining the recessive genes involves "albinoids" heterozygous albinism alleles i.e. carriers.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Can you quote Kitties saying N Euros are not albino because the following quote he says that strict definition they are. Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion.
"Both parents must have the same type albinism in order to produce an albino child...
Because Caucasians are incapable of producing and packaging the quantity of melanin that is produced by Africans, it is suggested by some that they should be classified as albinos (Finch, 1991; Welsing, 1991). Using the definition for albinism presented in the previous section, many Caucasians who have reduced melanin synthesis could be considered albino (albinoidism), but so would a fraction of Africans who are extremely light in complexion. Be- cause of the broad range of phenotypes exemplified within the 10 types of albinism, caution should be used in suggesting that an entire population of people are albinos. Europeans as a group transcend albinism as defined above....
It is generally agreed that modem humans evolved in Africa and then migrated out to areas of the world where, due to adaptation, they were able to survive in different environments. This out-of-Africa or recent African origins theory will be the underlying assumption of many discussions presented in this article. This article will attempt to provide an understanding of the nature and origin of human pigmentation....
It should be noted that the progressive loss of color of popula- tions may not have first occurred with modem humans. If isolated populations of Neanderthals in Europe and archaic Homo sapiens in Asia existed for hundreds of thousands of years, then this would provide ample time for the populations to become notably lighter. This of course would only occur if the populations were isolated and did not have an influx of migrants who carried the dominant genes for eumelanin expression.
---NATURE,ORIGIN,AND VARIATION OF HUMAN PIGMENTATION RICK KITTLES. 1995
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