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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Even Other Blacks have refused ACCEPTING them as brothers and look down on them! The Examples are numerous and truly sad for a Race of People That are Very Confused about Their Racial Identity!Posts: 496 | From: Greenland | Registered: Mar 2011
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quote:Originally posted by iTrump: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Even Other Blacks have refused ACCEPTING them as brothers and look down on them! The Examples are numerous and truly sad for a Race of People That are Very Confused about Their Racial Identity!
Are you confused about your racial identity?
By the way, I noticed a contradion in your writing. Probably because you're confused. lol hahaha...
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More people all around the world starting to see and understand what white Americans have done to black Americans. So you can stick your hahahaha where the sun doesn't ...
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I think he's provided more than enough evidence to show that he isn't doing well. Let him post his babble, good excercise for the younger people to see what kind of trash people like him have in their tool box.
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quote:Originally posted by Fencer: I think he's provided more than enough evidence to show that he isn't doing well. Let him post his babble, good excercise for the younger people to see what kind of trash people like him have in their tool box.
Considering his "racial" prejudice (shown by the evidence). It's also highly unlikely he knows any blacks, or associates any with blacks. So what makes him think his opinion matters? Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So what makes him think his opinion matters?
Replying to him!
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: So what makes him think his opinion matters?
Replying to him!
In some way, yes. But I do like to know his motives. But he usually drops a "virtual fart", then runs off.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: iTrump? My guess is white backlash.
you mean "albino backlash" right? It's a fact they are albino's and not an actual race at this point....
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I mean just what I said.
Where your ass was at when I broached the WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal thread, fanboy?
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: I mean just what I said.
Where your ass was at when I broached the WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal thread, fanboy?
I don't like calling them "white", because that's a made up self-serving ambiguous term that they play around and confused people with.
It's best to call them "Albino" because that's exactly what they are and get's straight to the point...
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I have my own mind fanboy you just showed up yesterday with little more than rant and rave and I couldn't care less what you think is best or why so quit wasting my time and go huddle with your fellow can't think for themselves fanboys.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: I have my own mind fanboy you just showed up yesterday with little more than rant and rave and I couldn't care less what you think is best or why so quit wasting my time and go huddle with your fellow can't think for themselves fanboys.
over and out
fanboy what? What rant? Do you agree or disagree that they are albino's? You do realize that at this point it's too late to deny it right?
If again you don't believe they are albino's, why don't you go through these south Asian albino pictures and tell me if they look "white" or not and this is again to all the non-believers too!
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: If again you don't believe they are albino's, why don't you go through these south Asian albino pictures and tell me if they look "white" or not and this is again to all the non-believers too!
Yeah "white" people can't be "albino's"! We can't refer to them as "albino's!"
random pictures are basically anecdotal evidence and don't "prove" anything.
Albinism is defined as “an autosomal recessive condition,” i.e. both alleles have to have the albinism mutation. People with heterozygous ( i.e. one albinism mutant allele and one normal allele) alleles are carriers but not albinos just like sickle cell trait is NOT sickle cell anemia.
Further, each type of albinism can be caused by a number of different mutations
When one looks at the genotypes the process is much more complicated than just looking at pictures.
How did the majority of European albinos end up with 2 mutant TYR alleles, i.e. OCA1, when the most common albinism found in Dravidians is OCA2 with two OCA2 mutant alleles?
Show me the genotypes that produce the "European looking albinos" in your photographs.
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As per my thread mentioned above WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal typical Euro features like pink skin blue eyes and blond hair are from the same genes that make for albinism. A whole geographic breeding population being like albinos makes them Albinoid.
Unlike MindlessMatter you're degreed and can think clearer than the mentally ill or stupid who pablum pictures like a child So go read the thread and take on Dr Finch's points one by one that is if you are able to back yourself up with genetic and medical references and citations.
Otherwise don't waste my time with subjective rap which will go ignored.
Let's take it to lecture then class Mr tenured university professor.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Small class student observation
Quetz' lecture is polemic thus subjectively flawed.
He chides Finch MD should know albinos cannot produce eumelanin, a straw man unless quoting Finch saying albinos have melanin.
Not being an MD, Quetz doesn't know any better that OCA1B albinos can have eumelanin (source withheld until Quetz recants).
The problem is that all this “albino” hype is worthless. Albinos have normal amounts of neuromelanin (the melanin in the brain) equal to that of as. As a matter of fact, since amounts of neuromelanin increase with age, an old albino will have more neuromelanin than a young black person
quote:Pigment (neuromelanin) is formed within nigral cells as a by-product of dopamine metabolism. Neuromelanin differs from skin pigment. Caucasians, Africans, Orientals and albinos have equal amounts of neuromelanin. Neuromelanin is absent @ birth-in all people. It accumulates after birth. And, In most people, the nigral cells are fully pigmented @ age 16 years.
Robins, AH (1991) Biological Perspectives in Human Pigmentation. Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press
quote: p. 81-82 The genesis of neuromelanin bears no similarity to the development of the melanosomes within the melanocytes. Its concentration in the brain is proportional to the age of the individual, and is totally independent of ethnic pigmentation.
Foley JM, Baxter D. 1958 “On the nature of pigment granules in the cell of the locus coeruleus and substantia nigra,” J Neuropathol Exp Neurol 17:586–598.
Zecca, L. et al. 2001 “Substantia nigra neuromelanin: structure, synthesis, and molecular behaviour,” J Clin Pathol:Mol Pathol 54:414–418
quote:Abstract The pigmented neurones of the substantia nigra are typically lost in Parkinson’s disease; however, the possible relation between neuronal vulnerability and the presence of neuromelanin has not been elucidated. Early histological studies revealed the presence of increasing amounts of neuromelanin in the substantia nigra with aging in higher mammals, showed that the neuromelanin granules are surrounded by a membrane, and comparatively evaluated the pigmentation of the substantia nigra in different animal species. Histochemical studies showed the association of neuromelanin with lipofuscins. However, systematic investigations of the structure, synthesis, and molecular interactions of neuromelanin have been undertaken only during the past decade. In these later studies, neuromelanin was identified as a genuine melanin with a strong chelating ability for iron and an affinity for compounds such as lipids, pesticides, and MPP+. The affinity of neuromelanin for a variety of inorganic an organic toxins is consistent with a postulated protective function for neuromelanin. Moreover, the neuronal accumulation of neuromelanin during aging and the link between its synthesis and a high cytosolic concentration of catechols suggest a protective role. However, its putative neuroprotective effects could be quenched in conditions of toxin overload.
However, tyrosinase has not been detected in the substantia nigra by immunohistochemistry.41 Moreover, albinos who lack tyrosinase display normally pigmented substantia nigra.10
Zecca, L., et al. 2003 “Neuromelanin of the substantia nigra: a neuronal black hole with protective and toxic characteristics,” TRENDS in Neurosciences 26(11): 578-580
{QUOTE]Albinos that lack tyrosinase, however, have a normally pigmented substantia nigra [17]. . . . Recently, NM synthesis was experimentally induced in cultured rat substantia nigra neurons exposed to L-dopa [21]. This model reproduced nigral NM in that the chemical structure as measured by electron-spin resonance was identical to human NM, and the pigment was localized in the characteristic organelles surrounded by double membrane.
Neuromelanin accumulates normally with age in human, rat, canine and primate substantiae nigrae [32]. In humans, the first NM granules appear around the third year of life [33] and NM concentrations in the substantia nigra increase linearly over aging, reaching values as high as 4.0 mg g21 in those aged in their eighties.[/QUOTE]
Zucca, F.A., et al. 2004 “The Neuromelanin of Human Substantia Nigra: Physiological and Pathogenic Aspects,” Pigment Cell Res. 17: 610–617.
quote:Neuromelanin (NM) accumulates as a function of age in normal human substantia nigra (SN) but is relatively depleted in the SN of patients with Parkinson disease (PD).
Moreover, albinos (who lack functional tyrosinase) display normally pigmented neurons in the SN (38).
Zucca, F. A., et al. 2013 “Neuromelanin of the Human Substantia Nigra: An Update,” Neurotox Res DOI 10.1007/s12640-013-9435-y
quote: Dopaminergic neurons of the substantia nigra selectively degenerate over the course of Parkinson’s disease. These neurons are also the most heavily pigmented cells of the brain, accumulating the dark pigment neuromelanin over a lifetime. The massive presence of neuromelanin in these brain areas has long been suspected as a key factor involved in the selective vulnerability of neurons.
Furthermore, a normal content of NM [neuromelanin] is present in SN of albinos which lack functional tyrosinase (Foley and Baxter 1958 ). Other enzymes than tyrosinase might be involved in NM synthesis, but so far a neuron specific enzymatic synthesis pathway has not been unequivocally demonstrated.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: As per my thread mentioned above WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal typical Euro features like pink skin blue eyes and blond hair are from the same genes that make for albinism. A whole geographic breeding population being like albinos makes them Albinoid.
Unlike MindlessMatter you're degreed and can think clearer than the mentally ill or stupid who pablum pictures like a child So go read the thread and take on Dr Finch's points one by one that is if you are able to back yourself up with genetic and medical references and citations.
Otherwise don't waste my time with subjective rap which will go ignored.
Let's take it to lecture then class Mr tenured university professor.
What's with the insults now? You are behaving like a child now; sorry but you could have acted like an adult and instead cleared up the miscommunication which you created there with your low brow vernacular language without resorting to petty insults and mudslinging behavior, which I wouldn't expect from a "great one" like yourself.
And btw it's not "childish" to PRESENT PROOF AND EVIDENCE to show to everyone that Euro's are albino's and not a race WITH ACTUAL REAL PICTORIAL EVIDENCE!
Pictures which you didn't even find yourself or put in the time to compile despite researching this stuff for a while now, and GIVING EVIDENCE for this sort of claim, and pictures which you probably couldn't even find.
C'mon now, start behaving like an adult and stop projecting like a 12 year old kid.
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We don't play Pictionary We write mini-essays
Go away son you bother me and have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation. You didn't so much as skim read my albinoid thread posted before you even knew there was an ES but you call yourself schooling me hahahahahah
The real MindOverMatter is out after your ass for besmirching his reputation, fanboy.
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The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations[ November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 20-21, w/notes 41-44 p.311 Dr. Charles S. Finch M.D.
Charles Finch is incompetent. He speaks about the the Vitamin D hypothesis which is an evolutionary adaptation theory and calls it albinism which is a genetic birth defect, therefore not part of the Vitamin D hypothesis
More incompetence. Remains at Russian Aurignacian sites do not have the same physical morphology as the gracile Grimaldi skeletons. Only two skeletons have such proportions in Europe and they are even different from other remains in different strata layers at the same Italian site where the two "Grimaldi man" skeletons, a woman and a boy are located.
Furthermore he calls these two skeletons "Africanoid" and proceeds to mention an environment of restricted sunlight. a) if one is describing Europeans who, assumed, do not have this " Africanoid" morphology then associating restricted sunlight is irrelevant, you are starting with the wrong morphology. There are other specimens in Europe of similar ages which are not "Africanoid" and that have more robust proportions various sites with remains of what used to be called "Cro Magnon" b) Again, discussion of restricted sunlight instantly nullifies argument that Europeans are albinos since as we see in Africa, Tanzania has the highest rate of albinism in the world yet no shortage of intense sunlight. Thousands of years of adaptation to lower sunlight is not a sudden birth defect derived from parents, each who carry a defective P gene, /close Finch
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The need for reconstruction The skulls had been damaged by the weight of the overlying sediments, and some reconstruction, particularly of the lower face was necessary. It has been established that the old woman suffered from a phenomenon known in orthodontics. Having lost all her molars of the lower jaw, the upper jaw had been progressively translated forward and the lower part of the face had become more protruding.[13]
Reconstructing the face The adolescent had all his teeth, but these were manipulated by the anthropologists M. Boule and R. Verneau, when trying to reconstruct the skull and the face. M. Boule drilled the maxillaries in order to release the wisdom teeth that were still inside them. By doing this, he changed the face, as the natural growth of the wisdom teeth would have remodeled the dental arc in a natural way. Having then too many teeth to fit the jawline, he reconstructed a very prognathic jaw, possibly bearing in mind the jaw of the woman. The diagnosis of "prognathism" in the adolescent is hence speculative - artificial and possibly intentionally created. Based on these characteristics, Boule and Verneau concluded that the two specimen were "negroid". Other non-negroďd characteristics were disregarded. The fact that no similar finds were known from Europe did not raise any concern, as it was believed that more were to follow
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Legoux, P. (1966): Détermination de l'âge dentaire de fossiles de la lignée humaine, Paris, Maloine
This is 2016. The above is obsolete dating and Diop (d. 1986) was not a paleontologist. The two Grimaldi skeletons, the only two known, which were found at Barma Grande are dated 25k.
quote: The results are as follows: OxA-10093, Barma Grande 6, bone, Homo sapiens, 513C = —19.7, 515N = 12.9 per mil, C/N ratio = 3.8, uncalibrated 14C years = 24,800 ± 800 b . p . At two sigma, the result indicates that the burial was emplaced between 26,400 and 23,200 b .p ., which brings it squarely in line chronologically with other mid-Upper Paleolithic Gravettian burials as well as Gravettian sites all over Europe (Roebroeks et al -- A Direct AMS Radiocarbon Date on the Barma Grande 6 Upper Paleolithic Skeleton1 2004 VINCENZO FORMICOLA, PAUL B. PETTITT, AND ANGIOLO DEL LUCCHESE Dipaitimento di Etologia, Ecologia ed Evoluzione, Universita di Pisa, via A. Volta 6, 56126 Pisa, Italy
The much older broad featured Oase 2 skull found in Romania indicates a mixture of archaic, early modern human and Neanderthal morphological features. ( approximately 6-9% Neanderthal) and is more closely related to East Asian than Europeans
And one can't refer to one single specimen and make blanket statements about the whole population of a region
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^Pretty much. Only thing I would comment on is that all early UP Europeans were 'Africoid', regardless of what they look like, given their recent exit out of Africa. So even the early UP ones that seem to have already evolved in the modern European direction should be considered Africoid. The truth is, the early ones that looked like that weren't "already evolved in the European direction". That general phenotype is probably simply what got selected in West Eurasia and was always a part of the OOA variations.
It's just that some of these extreme variations might no longer be in Africa independent of back migration.
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Quetz had the sense not to reply w/o going over the pages and notes where Dr Finch discusses albinism.
You don't have Finch's essay so STFU but you are right albinism is a disease that effects vision: oculocutaneous albinism.
I've been using albinoid defined as 'albino-like' not any other definition precisely because vision difficulties are not present in all Euro originating whites.
What are the OCA1B eye stats?
In my view Euro whites are not albinos however they do share eye&skin colors with albinos due to the same nonMendelian genes functioning (please correct me) , so they are like albinos i.e., albinoid.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: ^Pretty much. Only thing I would comment on is that all early UP Europeans were 'Africoid', regardless of what they look like, given their recent exit out of Africa. So even the early UP ones that seem to have already evolved in the modern European direction should be considered Africoid. It's just that some of these extreme variations might no longer be in Africa independent of back migration.
Limb robusticity is associated with the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition period in the colder climates rather than the Paleolithic
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What I mean is this. Often in Palaeolithic sites you can get skeletal remains that seem to belong to two or more different populations. Take Upper Cave 101. They're different enough to seemingly belong to different populations but they're the same general population. Some look more 'Australoid' than others. That doesn't mean that one was more genetically Australian like than others. Out of the early OOA mix of variation, that general Australian-looking pattern simply got selected in modern day Australia so we (wrongly) think of it today as Australia-specific.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: We don't play Pictionary We write mini-essays
Go away son you bother me and have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation. You didn't so much as skim read my albinoid thread posted before you even knew there was an ES but you call yourself schooling me hahahahahah
The real MindOverMatter is out after your ass for besmirching his reputation, fanboy.
No I have lots of intelligent things to say, much more light years ahead then whatever crap you posted in this thread; you are a complete moron for not figuring out that Whites are albino's at this point. I mean you have to be a serious idiot to dismiss all the countless evidence, which is too much to basically deny at this point.
And you haven't really written "mini-essays" so far except sophomoric crap that even U.S high school students can match or outshine. And the "real" mindovermatter", now that I look over his posts, is basically just another albino idiot who's posts are basically just regurgitated non-sensical drivel and typical albino garbage.
The fact that you are rooting and "hiding" behind such a typical albino troll, because your "ego" got hurt, and you are too much of a spineless mentally infantile immature 6 year old kid WHO CAN'T THE ACCEPT PLAIN TRUTH AND FACT THAT WHITES ARE ALBINO'S AND NOT A RACE SHOWS YOUR TRUE COLORS!
quote: Quetz had the sense not to reply w/o going over the pages and notes where Dr Finch discusses albinism.
You don't have Finch's essay so STFU but you are right albinism is a disease that effects vision: oculocutaneous albinism.
I've been using albinoid defined as 'albino-like' not any other definition precisely because vision difficulties are not present in all Euro originating whites.
What are the OCA1B eye stats?
In my view Euro whites are not albinos however they do share eye&skin colors with albinos due to the same nonMendelian genes functioning (please correct me) , so they are like albinos i.e., albinoid
Again, IT'S NOT A VIEW THAT WHITES ARE NOT ALBINO'S AND THE FACT THAT YOU HOLD THAT VIEW PROVES WHAT AN IGNORANT TOOL YOU ARE, SINCE IT'S WRONG! THERE ARE MANY TYPES OF ALBINISM, THERE ARE FOURTEEN KNOWN TYPES OF ALBINISM KNOWN SO FAR WITH MORE TO BE DISCOVERED! IT IS THE PLAIN OLD TRUTH AND FACT THAT WHITE EUROPEANS ARE ALBINO'S AND NOT A RACE!
THERE ARE ALBINISM TYPES THAT DON'T AFFECT THE EYES AS OCULAR ALBINISM DOES YOU IGNORAMUS TOOL! WHITES HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF GLASS USE THEN OTHER RACES AND SUFFER FROM SUNBURN AND MELANOMA AT HIGHER RATES THEN OTHER "RACES" SIMILAR TO RATES OF PEOPLE WITH ALBINISM!
IT IS A FACT THAT ALL WHITES, INCLUDING "WHITE EUROPEANS" ARE ALBINO'S AND IT'S IRREFUTABLE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY EXHIBIT AND SHOW ALL THE SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF IT IN VARYING LEVELS DEPENDING ON WHICH LEVEL THAT THEY HAVE! IT'S NOT A "VIEW" IT'S A FACT THAT THEY ARE!
And again you have to be a complete ignoramus to dismiss all the heaps and tons of evidence that's been shown here and posted here so far IN THIS FORUM; which I am starting to think you are based on your stupidity in this thread.
WHAT PART OF THIS DIRECT PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF PICTURES OF ALBINO'S THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WHITE EUROPEANS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
Do you not have a pair of working eyes or even a functioning brain? WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH THEM AND TELL ME THEY DON'T LOOK "WHITE"?
Christ I can't believe the amount of stupidity and ignorance being displayed here by a "veteran". How many times do we have to go over this?
I cannot believe the plain idiocy and moronic behavior being illustrated here repeatedly in this forum with even people who visit this forum regularly, and have "experience". How many times do we have, HAVE TO, go over ALL THE EVIDENCE POSTED HERE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS OR SO?
A simple google search on the content of albinism in this forum that has been posted so far is enough to basically confirm what "albinism" is and that "whites are albino's" FOR A FACT!
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Oh no! Pre--schooler Pictionary pablum.
You dumbass muhfuhkuh.
You still don't get that I posted the endemic albinism origin of Euro whites years ago.
You're so stupid or too incompetent to look at my posts on it or my thread
WHITES: ENDEMIC TYR+ ALBINOIDS big deal
You're the biggest ignoramus ever to disgrace these forums. What are you, like still in elementary school?
Just what do you think the sentence Whites: endemic TYR+ albinoids means.you unlearned nincompoop?
GO READ THE THREAD YOU BARNACLE.
GO GOOGLE tukuler rokitno
If you still come back with the same sorry assed opinion that I don't recognize Euro whites have the same values at the same loci as albinos you are a nutjob not worth my time, fanboy
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Lol! He did not get it. The real MOM/KIK would be pissed with some screwing with his name like that.
He "probably" means well. That remains to be seen.
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Quit jiving around "prof." You can't dodge my bullet. You mistake me for a non-sequitur chaser who'll let you squirm off my hook.
Answer what I asked, the pages and notes from Finch. You seem incapable of that.
The Evolution of the Caucasoid Journal of African Civilizations November 1985 (vol.7, no.2) New Brunswick,NJ: Transaction Publishers Rutgers -- The State University, 1985 pp. 20-21, w/notes 41-44 p.311 Dr. Charles S. Finch M.D. Yale undergrad Jefferson Medical College medical training University of California, Irvine Medical Center family medicine residency Center for Disease Control epidemiologist
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Lol! He did not get it. The real MOM/KIK would be pissed with some screwing with his name like that.
He "probably" means well. That remains to be seen.
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I am not posting data because there is already enough evidence that's been posted a bazillion times already. It's pretty much a fact at this point that Whites are albino's.
I didn't register with this name knowing about the other mindovermatter because I didn't even know there even was another mindovermatter registered here until later on. So that pretty much negates that bullshit accusation.
But our resident genius "Tukuler" doesn't realize what a stupid fucking argument quaz is making here; hasn't he been here long enough to know THAT THE EUROPEAN ALBINO'S, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ALBINISM AMONG THEMSELVES, ONLY STRATEGICALLY AND DECEPTIVELY COUNT OCA1 ALBINO's AS PEOPLE WITH ALBINISM AMONG EUROPEANS IN THEIR "GENETIC REPORTS", WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AND WORST FORM OF ALBINISM THAT YOU CAN GET AND NOT THEMSELVES WHOM ARE OCA-2 to OCA-5 ALBINO'S?
How come then the OCA2-OCA4 Albino's OF OTHER RACES LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WHITE EUROPEANS OR RESEMBLE THE COLORATION OF WHITE EUROPEANS, as in the list of images I have linked to here? It seems like common sense and basic logic is too much of a herculean task for some of the members here, or they are intentionally being idiots to get at me, which is pretty infantile behavior.
Tukuler has to be a gigantic dumbfuck and an imbecile of the highest caliber to not realize this, WHEN THE EUROPEAN ALBINO'S DOING THIS MULTIPLE TIMES HAS BEEN POSTED HERE ALREADY AT ES AND YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP USING GOOGLE SEARCH!
The fact that he is rooting behind a degenerate moronic albino like Quaz, who is too stupid to realize this or pretending to be, just to get some petty jabs at me because his "feelings" got hurt, shows just what kind of a infantile moronic man child a "veteran" like him is.
According to our resident "genius veteran" here, despite the fact that all Whites carry albinism genes and albinism candidate genes in mutated form, and despite the fact THAT INDIAN/SOUTH ASIAN ALBINO'S AND VARIOUS AFRICAN ALBINO'S LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WHITE EUROPEANS AND SHARE THE EXACT GENETIC HAPLOGROUPS WITH THEM, THE CONCLUSION HAS TO BE THEREFORE THAT WHITES CAN'T BE ALBINO's! GREAT LOGIC THERE!
If something looks like a cat, exhibits behaviors like a cat, makes noise like a cat, and eats cat food, purrs like a cat, acts like the animal known as a cat, therefore IT CANNOT BE A CAT BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND IN AUTHORITY SAYS THAT THING IS NOT A CAT BECAUSE THAT PERSON HAS A PROBLEM WITH ADMITTING THAT THING IS A CAT!
Great stupendous logic being deployed here by our resident armchair "experts" here!
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Me agree with Quetz? Are you retarded? What a fuh up you are, still haven't read my thread or posts just making up lies. But what else expected from a fanboy struggling to become a demagog and abysmally failing.
Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot. Go read my tthread and posts you idiot.
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Skin like an albino Hair like an albino Eye function not like an albino
Not an actual albino but like an albino ie albinoid.
You know this son. That's why you yourself wrote ACTUAL albino, fanboy.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Small class student observation
Quetz' lecture is polemic thus subjectively flawed.
He chides Finch MD should know albinos cannot produce eumelanin, a straw man unless quoting Finch saying albinos have melanin.
Not being an MD, Quetz doesn't know any better that OCA1B albinos can have eumelanin (source withheld until Quetz recants).
A few points on Finch: 1) Finch proposes that this creation of the white race from albinos required 20-30,000 years. Even if this were possible, the time is too short.
From my paper
quote: The frequency for the albinism gene is 0.01 in many populations. This means that, in the absence of assortative mating, 1 in 10,000 births is an albino. Dubinen (1975) calculates that it would take 25,000 years just to double the albino gene frequency as a result of mutation pressure and 2.5 million years to get a whole population to become albinos.
Dubinen, NP (1975) “Race and contemporary genetics,” In L Kuper (ed): Race, Science, and Society pp. 68-94 Paris: UNESCO Press.
2) A huge problem on ES is that concepts are not clearly defined before discussion. If Finch, following Welsing, means that albinos created "whites" or "Europeans" an impossibility appears. if W=dominant parent allele and w= recessive albinism mutation allele, then the genotype of albinos is (ww homozygous recessive), a phenotype (WW) is homozygous dominant and (Ww) is heterozygous
If you cross two albinos i.e. (ww) x (ww) all you produce is more homozygous albinos (ww)-- no way to get to Whites (WW) or Ww
I'm looking at Finch's essay in more detail and have more comments later.
I also think that we are closer to agreeing once we define some terms more accurately, i.e. albinoid
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"The frequency for the albinism gene is 0.01 in many populations. This means that, in the absence of assortative mating, 1 in 10,000 births is an albino. Dubinen (1975) calculates that it would take 25,000 years just to double the albino gene frequency as a result of mutation pressure and 2.5 million years to get a whole population to become albinos."
.....true....But not if there were a radiation event or events that increased the amount of Albino births.
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Get with it man.
You have yet to critique what I ask.
I think I know why.
In a critique one must quote the subject.
Fact is, you've no clue what Finch wrote specifically about TYR+, the OCAs.
Not having read the assigned pages and notes you keep trying to jive talk your way around it
Your grade: F-
I begin to think your credentials are fraudulent. A teaching assistant for undergrads would answer the point a student needs cleared. All you do is dance a fast Meringue.
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You fell for the shyster's okey doke.
First. Finch doesn't follow Welsing. You can't fry Finch in Welsing's fat.
2nd. Quetz substituted general rates for African rates because he knows African frequencies are much higher.
3rd. Mating would've been endemic not random and it'd be aided by climate and environment induced founder effect.
I don't know about the feathers but Quetz sure is a serpent. He must teach s course in baffling via logical fallacies, no doubt.
See how he replied about neuromelanin when I challenged him on eumelanin? Why his price and ego refuses him to admit he is wrong and shown to be so by a black no less.
quote:Originay posted by kdolo: "The frequency for the albinism gene is 0.01 in many populations. This means that, in the absence of assortative mating, 1 in 10,000 births is an albino. Dubinen (1975) calculates that it would take 25,000 years just to double the albino gene frequency as a result of mutation pressure and 2.5 million years to get a whole population to become albinos."
.....true....But not if there were a radiation event or events that increased the amount of Albino births.
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2nd. Quetz substituted general rates for African rates because he knows African frequencies are much higher.
3rd. Mating would've been endemic not random and it'd be aided by climate and environment induced founder effect.
I don't know about the feathers but Quetz sure is a serpent. He must teach s course in baffling via logical fallacies, no doubt.
See how he replied about neuromelanin when I challenged him on eumelanin? Why his price and ego refuses him to admit he is wrong and shown to be so by a black no less.
quote:Originay posted by kdolo: "The frequency for the albinism gene is 0.01 in many populations. This means that, in the absence of assortative mating, 1 in 10,000 births is an albino. Dubinen (1975) calculates that it would take 25,000 years just to double the albino gene frequency as a result of mutation pressure and 2.5 million years to get a whole population to become albinos."
.....true....But not if there were a radiation event or events that increased the amount of Albino births.
2) I used world wide rates because the dominant albinism in Europe is OCA1 which is not the dominant African modality-- And because the most common African albinism OCA2 cannotproduce OCA1 alleles- different mutations on different chromosomes as Finch points out in his article.
3)This is just a word salad "endemic mating" "founder effect" is associated with small groups and genetic drift the very opposite what you claim.
4) I keep pointing out to ES that all this albino hype is useless because unless you can prove that skin color determines your behavior and character rather than your brain, there is no difference in the amount of neuromelanin between albinos and the rest of humanity.
5) You all seem to forget than increasing radiation increases the rate of ALL mutations- these mutations are random and other more frequent and more deadly mutations will occur. To get albinism mutations to a significant percentage of the population-- radiation sufficient to kill most people will be required.
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Until you face front and confront the fact that OCA1B do in fact harbor EUMELANIN you remain phoney fake fraud shyster more concerned with pride and ego than objective fact.
Using global frequency when regional frequency is the issue makes you an intentional manipulator of facts to conform to preconcievef subjective agenda, your ongoing rant against Black Scholarship, assuming each and every Black Scholar a lunatic fringe propagandist Mr. Bernard Ortiz Montalleno .
You have no objective credibility.
@ Kdolo This mobile device I use changes the words and though I did edit it still doesn't reflect I commended you for not swallowing Quetz' gobbledeegook and challenging his horseshit.
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This is the 3rd time Bernard Ortiz Montalleno of Wayne State University refused to reference and cite Finch 1985 as requested 24 hrs ago.
This man's only claim to fame is hounding Dr Winters all over the 'net with not a single publication of his own anybody's interested in buying.
In short, Quetz is a nobody, a hack, who can't even answer an honest question directly to it's point, he's dodged it 4 times now already because it doesn't fit his canned anti-Afrocentric ravings but requires fresh though which he's proving himself more than incapable of providing.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Until you face front and confront the fact that OCA1B do in fact harbor EUMELANIN you remain phoney fake fraud shyster more concerned with pride and ego than objective fact.
Using global frequency when regional frequency is the issue makes you an intentional manipulator of facts to conform to preconcievef subjective agenda, your ongoing rant against Black Scholarship, assuming each and every Black Scholar a lunatic fringe propagandist Mr. Bernard Ortiz Montalleno .
You have no objective credibility.
@ Kdolo This mobile device I use changes the words and though I did edit it still doesn't reflect I commended you for not swallowing Quetz' gobbledeegook and challenging his horseshit.
It is unfortunate that you have descended into ad honimem. I had hoped we could keep the discussion at a higher level.
Your question is ridiculous. Of course OCA1B has eumelanin, so do OCA2,OCA3, OCA4,OCA5, OCA6,OCA7 which cause albinism by different means than lack of tyrosinase. What my article and my main point is that OCA1 and other albinos have as much NEUROMELANIN as anyone else. Most of the claims for the superiority of black people and the inferiority of albinos and whites would require the inte3r4vention of the mind not the skin.
Deal with this question.
As I mentioned, I'll be commenting on Dr. Finch and your albinoids. I think what we ha e is primarily a definition question.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Until you face front and confront the fact that OCA1B do in fact harbor EUMELANIN you remain phoney fake fraud shyster more concerned with pride and ego than objective fact.
Using global frequency when regional frequency is the issue makes you an intentional manipulator of facts to conform to preconcievef subjective agenda, your ongoing rant against Black Scholarship, assuming each and every Black Scholar a lunatic fringe propagandist Mr. Bernard Ortiz Montalleno .
You have no objective credibility.
@ Kdolo This mobile device I use changes the words and though I did edit it still doesn't reflect I commended you for not swallowing Quetz' gobbledeegook and challenging his horseshit.
It is unfortunate that you have descended into ad honimem. I had hoped we could keep the discussion at a higher level.
Your question is ridiculous. Of course OCA1B has eumelanin, so do OCA2,OCA3, OCA4,OCA5, OCA6,OCA7 which cause albinism by different means than lack of tyrosinase. What my article and my main point is that OCA1 and other albinos have as much NEUROMELANIN as anyone else. Most of the claims for the superiority of black people and the inferiority of albinos and whites would require the inte3r4vention of the mind not the skin.
Deal with this question.
As I mentioned, I'll be commenting on Dr. Finch and your albinoids. I think what we ha e is primarily a definition question.
That's not an ad hominiem, so I'm assuming you are using it as a strawman to divert the issue. A real ad hominiem, is simply a personal attack for the reason to discredit someone.
He gave the reason why you should not be taken seriously then proceeded to draw a conclusion about your personal character based on what you have done.
"You are wrong because you are stupid" is an ad hominiem
"You have given me untruthful information, you are a liar" Is forming a conclusion and should be taken in consideration when determining if it is worth getting the information from the argumentative source.
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quote: Welsing and Finch are both MDs and should know better. Whites can produce eumelanin, albinos cannot.
Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano Anthropology Department Wayne State University Melanin, Afrocentricity, and Pseudoscience 1993
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Albinos have OculoCutaneous Albinism (OCA)
quote: Your question is ridiculous. Of course OCA1B has eumelanin, so do OCA2,OCA3, OCA4,OCA5, OCA6,OCA7 which cause albinism by different means than lack of tyrosinase.
Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano Emeritus Professor of Anthropology Wayne State University post to EgyptSearch forum 2016
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Waiting for a face saving used car salesman reply conning the uneducated and gullible unwary ES Ancient Egypt readers into believing albinos simultaneously do and do not have EUMELANIN.
Beware, Quetz may once again try to divert attention away from what I asked, EUMELANIN, to neuromelanin and off the wall melanist claims to coverup his paternalism toward Dr Finch and his sidewinding from albinos lack EUMELANIN to of course albinos have EUMELANIN.
Get out your hip boots now. Semantic gobbledeegook is sure to follow.
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Finch, C. S. 1989 [1985] “Race and Evolution in Prehistory,” In Finch, C.S. The African Background to Medical Science pp. 21-56 London: Karnak House
quote:p. 42 “Three distinct classes of albinos exist of which we only need to consider two: the first, termed tyrosinase-positive (tr+) retains the tyrosinase enzyme; the second, termed tyrosinase-negative (tyr-) lacks the tyrosinase enzyme. The tyr+ and tyr- types are both determined by autosomal recessive genes which are carried on two separate gene loci. Practically, this means that to produce an albino child, both parents must carry the same of albino gene, though they themselves do not have to be albinos. If one parent carries the tyr+ gene and the other the tyr- gene, they will not produce albino children. Because the albino genes of either class are recessive, a high prevalence of albinism will only be found in populations with long-standing in-breeding.
In the tyr+ type of albinism, the body retains a residual ability to produce melanin. Though these infants start out in life with snow-white hair and skin, gradually their hair darkens to a blonde or even a light brown hair and the skin demonstrates some ability to tan when exposed to sunlight. Moreover, the eye color in these persons will range from blue to hazel. In the tyr- type, the affected individual has absolutely no ability to produce melanin; his hair remains a stark white and his skin never tans. This type has many more morbid features associated with it than the tyr+ type. In Africa, the tyr+ type is 2-3 times more frequent than the tyr- type and the Africans have higher frequency of the tyr+ type (and of albinism in general) than do Europeans.Within the tyr+ class, there is a condition known as “albinoidism,” representing an incomplete albinism, in which there quite a bit of coloration in the skin, eyes, and hair. African “albinoids” have color ranges of the skin hair and eyes that frequently are the same as Europeans. European albinoids are almost impossible to differentiate from the normal population in their range of skin, eye, and hair coloration
This is the relevant quote from Dr. Finch's 1985 article. First- this paper is 30 years old and my paper is 23 years old. Science has advanced a lot since then and we must look at what we know now.
I think the source of your anger with me is really due to not applying what we know today to Finch's paper. In 1985 and apparently also in 1993, people were not aware of the range of albinism. Thus, Finch's tyr- is OCA1 in modern nomenclature and tyr+ is OCA2 today. Finch's tyr+ is not1OCA1B- which was unknown at the time. One clue is that Finch says that tyr+ was 2 to 3 times more abundant in Africa than tyr- and that Africans had more tyr+ than Europeans. This corresponds to OCA2, whereas the prevalence of OCA1B is not really known.
quote: You must pay attention and use your intelligence to see that albinoid is not albino. Albinoids display the full range of European white people's light hair, light eye, and light skin values and both Finch and Westerhof say it coalesced in a limited geography under precise ecological pressures with little or no outside geneflow where those without the adaptive advantage died off. All this happening over 10-20 thousand years of evolution.
There is no hatred or involved or inferiority stated or implied thus no racism can be inferred.
The albinoid state just like the sickle cell trait is something that in their benign conditions were advantageous for what the populations were facing in their environments.
Tukuler April 2,2012 Finch in 1985 used tyr+ to describe one type of albinism. Today tyr+ is called type II (tyrosinase positive) oculocutaneous albinism. It is recognized as one of the approximately 10 different types of oculocutaneous albinism. Type II's can develop pigment.
There is a type IB which can also exhibit pigment. They used to call it yellow mutant oculocutaneous albinism.
The relevancy to Finch's hypothesis is that type II (tyrosinase positive, i.e. tyr+) albinism is highest in Africans and it makes for albinoids. Albinoid means like an albino. Unlike albinos, albinoids can display the whole range of lighter skin, lighter eye, and lighter hair colors of European whites.
The idea is that albinoids, through the process of prolonged genetic isolation, produced an "inbred" stock of humans with pink skin, blue to hazel eyes, and blond to light brown hair when their darker parent stock succumbed to the environment and its ecology and were not abundantly replenished from outside sources.[QUOTE]
A better choice for "albinoid" is "albinism carrier" much more unwieldy unfortunately. You use this analogy with sickle-cell anemia above.
A) dominant; (a) recessive albino mutated gene OCA2
If OCA2 albinos went to Europe and mated all you would get is more OCA2 albinos
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Quit shuckin and jivin and patronizing I am not your okey doke negro I am your worst nightmare A black with a mind of his own Who knows his outright enemy
You say * albinos cannot produce EUMELANIN (1993) * 7 types of albinos can have EUMELANIN (2016)
Well yyou're the one who should've known better.
Finch knew what you didn't "In the tyr+ type of albinism, the body retains a residual ability to produce melanin."
It's been known since 1970 that Yellow Mutant Albinos (OCA1Bs) have EUMELANIN, but your anger that a black medical doctor can be intelligent, competent, and know more than you do led you to conflate Finch with Welsing to try and belittle him.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
quote: Welsing and Finch are both MDs and should know better. Whites can produce eumelanin, albinos cannot.
Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano Anthropology Department Wayne State University Melanin, Afrocentricity, and Pseudoscience 1993
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Albinos have OculoCutaneous Albinism (OCA)
quote: Your question is ridiculous. Of course OCA1B has eumelanin, so do OCA2,OCA3, OCA4,OCA5, OCA6,OCA7 which cause albinism by different means than lack of tyrosinase.
Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano Emeritus Professor of Anthropology Wayne State University post to EgyptSearch forum 2016
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Waiting for a face saving used car salesman reply conning the uneducated and gullible unwary ES Ancient Egypt readers into believing albinos simultaneously do and do not have EUMELANIN.
Beware, Quetz may once again try to divert attention away from what I asked, EUMELANIN, to neuromelanin and off the wall melanist claims to coverup his paternalism toward Dr Finch and his sidewinding from albinos lack EUMELANIN to of course albinos have EUMELANIN.
Get out your hip boots now. Semantic gobbledeegook is sure to follow.
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WTF do you think? You're not my daddy. Don't tell me what words I should use. Like anyone writing a paper I defined my use of albinoid -- albino-like.
I couldn't care less if you like it or not. Since I defined my usage, which in fact is etymologically correct, you have to deal with it as such just like refereeing a thesis or dissertation.
In any event, you have just characterised Euro whites as albinism carriers, you do know that don't you. The only thing I said about your people is that they are like albinos. You are much closer to the ES crowd who call you and yours straight up albinos.
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In any event, you have just characterised Euro whites as albinism carriers, you do know that don't you. The only thing I said about your people is that they are like albinos.
You are correct. About 1/100 whites are carriers (albinoids) of the albinism gene for OCA1 and about the same for OCA2.
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good paper. There has been a lot of progress in these 20 years. Thanks for posting it.
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