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Gangsta Rap is simply a negative Jew created strategic by-product of the crack wars waged against Blacks to stifle the revolution spirit of the 1960/1970 periods when Albinos became terrified after the Northeaster riots.
Albinos realized that had those Negroes possessed a pound of organization, they might have succeeded in taking over the country.
To counter this, they developed a dual strategy of CONINTELPRO, and CRACK to defuse any future treats by inner city Negroes. The Crack wars succeeded in negating the Black revolutionary spirit of the 1960s, as well as further separating black families, friends and organizations.
Gangsta rap was only possible following the de-spiriting and dumbing down of the people adversely affected by the crack war on blacks. The LGBT movement is also further division of the people made possible by post crack war dumbed-down mentalities.
Rappers like to identify themselves as "real Niggas", instead of "Real men", following the path of least resistance.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Again, the crack game has been dead for years, you out of touch
Crack is still alive, but you Jews are now making more money from peddling Meth, and fake weed like K2 and Kush.
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So shameful that Africans/blacks should succumb so stupidly to drugs and degrading so-called "rap music". A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: So shameful that Africans/blacks should succumb so stupidly to drugs and degrading so-called "rap music". A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Obviously, you have not been to America's heart lands in the central region to observe millions of Meth addicted Albino wiggers walking the streets like zombies, with their pants sagging while they sing out Negro rap. The sword does have two edges.
All of the central region is filled with millionaire albino parents owning thousand acre ranches with no one to leave their legacy to, because all their children are strung out on Meth and Opioids. So, these parents decide to sell their properties instead, and guess who are buying them up?
No surprise that Trump won the election.
In the North and south there is Opioid s, and the reason why the US senate just passed the bill to provide $1B to Opioid addiction. America is through!
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A while ago, someone mentioned crack babies, and how there was a doctor in the 80's explaining how these babies could have mental issues later on in life. It made me think.
The crack epidemic may be god, but the remains are still here.
quote: CHILDREN: THE MOST INNOCENT VICTIMS OF CRACK COCAINE
The most innocent victims of crack cocaine are babies born to mothers who use the drug during pregnancy. The March of Dimes, a nonprofit organization for pregnancy and baby health, reports that use of cocaine in either powdered or crack form during pregnancy can affect a woman and her unborn baby in many ways. During the early months of pregnancy, it may increase the risk of miscarriage. It also may cause an unborn baby to have a stroke, permanent brain damage or heart attack.
The National Institute for Drug Abuse reports that exposure to crack cocaine during pregnancy may lead to significant later problems in some children.
quote:Babies born to mothers who use cocaine during pregnancy are often prematurely delivered, have low birth weights and smaller head circumferences, and are shorter in length than babies born to mothers who do not use cocaine.26,29,30 Dire predictions of reduced intelligence and social skills in babies born to mothers who used crack cocaine while pregnant during the 1980s—so-called "crack babies"—were grossly exaggerated. However, the fact that most of these children do not show serious overt deficits should not be overinterpreted to indicate that there is no cause for concern.
Using sophisticated technologies, scientists are now finding that exposure to cocaine during fetal development may lead to subtle, yet significant, later deficits in some children.31,32 These include behavior problems (e.g., difficulties with self-regulation) and deficits in some aspects of cognitive performance, information processing, and sustained attention to tasks—abilities that are important for the realization of a child’s full potential.32,33 Some deficits persist into the later years, with prenatally exposed adolescents showing increased risk for subtle problems with language and memory.34 Brain scans in teens suggests that at-rest functioning of some brain regions—including areas involved in attention, planning, and language—may differ from that of non-exposed peers.35 More research is needed on the long-term effects of prenatal cocaine exposure.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Again, the crack game has been dead for years, you out of touch
Crack is still alive, but you Jews are now making more money from peddling Meth, and fake weed like K2 and Kush.
well the solution is simple, get rid of the jews and that will end the drug problem
That's what China said when those same Jews flooded China with Opium.
Now, go tell that to the ADL.
Jews? I have never heard of that story. The opium crisis yeah, but jews?
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What was hard about her? Her tong, her tog skill set?
Young M.A – EAT
[Verse: Young M.A] It's Red Lyfe It's Red Lyfe Nobody safe anymore Had to wake you niggas up, I couldn't wait anymore Got so much **** on my mind, couldn't think anymore I swear when this album drop they gon' hate me some more You gonna see red everywhere Like a steak when it's raw **** around and call me M.A Shakur Imma take them to war Top of the hill That's me waving that sword Couldn't wait to be on These rappers hate to be born Speaking of birth, I just wanna thank my mother For having me after she had my brother All that pain and that suffer She ain't just have us natural, the doctors they had to cut her (I love you ma) C section but what a blessing Who would've guessed that the next best is Nobody expected, me a she Nigga, accept it I'm here I swear to god I ain't scared of these niggas Damn, I'm must really put fear in these niggas Because they call me a dyke, a faggot, a gay bitch I ain't ****, that hate ****, that hatred, goddamn That just make them look less of a man, fam And to sit on y'all is part of the damn plan They just mad cause I beat the pussy like bam bam Because I'm making these bitches twerk on a handstand Nobody's talking that talk, the walk I talk it dude Word to Skype, how I see it is how I call it dude I open doors that they walking through Not to brag but it's important, too Cause they'll forget like I ain't killed **** Like an abortion true Don't you knew it's Redlyfe, nigga we call it red if you call it blue And while you guys, too busy bringing them foreigns through Yeah, flexing and stunting, doing what ballers do I leave with your bitch at the same club you brought her to If she a cougar, I tell her to bring her daughter too When I was broke, I never hated I just waited to flex Cause in my mind I already I knew I was next Now I all I do is finesse Straight bands got a few in his TEC Like jail calls, all I do is collect My stress level up but this is what I do when I'm stressed I make her go down like the sun doing the set I hear you talking but I don't consider you as a threat Like what's the name? You don't consider who as a threat? Exactly, it's M.A nigga I move as a threat They tryna knock me and it's funny cause they doing they best Shake the haters off like a dog do when it's wet I'm one down on them like a dog do when it fetch Rollie face blue look like somebody losing they breath It's cool, they can hate still ain't losing a check Real niggas know what's up, I ain't losing respect I'm like blood, I let the bars move through your flesh The more fame, the more problems man believe me But I ain't going nowhere nigga, they need me I eat this hating **** for breakfast, ah they feed me To beat me is like climbing mountains, the three peaks Niggas mad cause my bitch bad We throw ones on strippers Then we watch them stuff racks in they tip bag I used to sell O's by the zip bag Now we smoke foutons, not no zig zags My goons in the fields, not the internet I hate when niggas use the internet to send a threat FED's watching, so we ain't really into that That's your life, you gotta live with that When that hate don't work they start telling lies That's real ****, that's why these haters becoming like flies Get it, don't let these lines go over your mind But I'ma keep shitting, on 'em I hope you don't mind All that hating and they still ain't paid, yet By the way, I got a 100 bands stuffed in these beige sweats Got bags full of money, still ain't been to the bank yet Not really have time to deposit these chase checks I used to chase checks, now that money coming I'm talking fast, real fast like that money running Blue dye on my hands from all that money touching Blue dye on my pants from all that money rubbing Damn, I got a lotta bash for that phone **** Just the ones that think they know, but never know **** Shawty knew I was just playing on some joke **** Yeah, the Henny played a part we drunk the whole **** Man, they gotta understand this is just some road **** We just be fucking around, regular show **** I wasn't gonna say nothing was gonna hold **** But they made it seem like I was on some hoe ****, never that I been humble and I'm still humble And to the ones who turned on me, I still love you Keyz said "bro **** 'em they gon' still bump you" And all these hoes that wanna **** you, they gon' still want to You know haters gon' dickride they gon' still suck you And all these groupie niggas they gon' still bug you Just don't let the devil take your good spirits from you Just pay on it, stay focused keep your vision tunneled I love my team, I swear it's like we move in a huddle I don't let this **** affect me, I move in a bubble I swear my haters move in a bundle It's like they all come together like a fucking puzzle Til that thing go click like a seat buckle But I just smoke and sip the Henny 'til I'm seeing double My money long I can't afford to even be in trouble Accomplished so much I ain't tryna see it crumble Been working so much that I don't even see the hustle I just been flexing like you seen a muscle Fighting these demons they don't see the rumble Hold the ball, they rather see you fumble You act so low, they rather be above you You need a drink, naw I need a couple I'm just being honest, I'm being real I swear I'm being modest I don't gotta be fly, I'm fly in my pockets I rather invest money and triple my profit The fliest niggas be broke and it's eating they conscience Cause they pretend and they try to wear all these designers You call it designer, I call it disguising MA speaking that knowledge, yeah I had to remind 'em Gotta preach 'em that real Gotta teach 'em that trill In this game is no love, either kill or be killed I get head from your bitch and it's **** how they feel I ain't tryna be funny but I get dough like a dil Give me all attention, I need all the attention Bout to drop me a tape, collect all the commission My goons ready for war, told 'em hold they position They like MA are you sure I'm ready to blow with the Smith & But they don't understand controversy made me hot So how the **** think you the haters gon' make me stop They forgot that Dr. Watkins post made me pop I love this ****, this the **** that really made me guap Anyway I'm done talking to 'em, back to this money Some of y'all is a joke and I laugh cause it's funny But I'ma go and sip this tea, yo pass me the honey It's M.A and I'm back on my bully
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Hah, respect! All crew, all massive, everywhere in the world You practice the art of hip-hop This goes out to every boy and every girl
Give me relief! I sing!
Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! I sing! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us!
Check it All beef can be squashed if you want it But instead of forgiveness, ego you flaunt it Everybody gets into two or three quarrels Leadin to a squabble, someone will die tomorrow Life is not a thing you can borrow All beefs don't have to lead to sorrow Will ya, go out tomorrow I think, you should think about the beef you got And confront your enemy before it gets too hot Never feel ashamed, to say, "Yo G I'm sorry I apologize," the object is to stay alive
I never ran from the Klu Klux Klan And I shouldn't have to run from a black man
(a group says it together) I never ran from the Klu Klux Klan And I shouldn't have to run from a black man
Yeah! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! I sing! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us!
He said she said, but she said she didn't Face gets hit, and then, bullets start spittin No one's admittin to their wrong doing, unfittin Revenge we're pursuin, look at what you're doin, LISTEN Release the karma that you're carryin' Be a mental vegetarian indulge in no beefs, like the Fish in the aquarium, you'll enjoy it while you're tryin it There is no seperation between the mind and the environment Like a bolt of lightning I'm givin 5000 volts of the occult while I'm writin and recitin I've come to enlighten black and white to the meaningless fightin Clash of the titans ain't right And it's wrong so the song reflects For too long we've been vexed at each other Every sister, every brother.. You've gots ta LOVE one another
I never ran from the Klu Klux Klan And I shouldn't have to run from a black man*
(a group says it together) I never ran from the Klu Klux Klan And I shouldn't have to run from a black man
Yeah! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! Check it Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! Ha hah
Give me relief! (That's right) Squash all beef!
If I ruled the schools, from pole to pole The entire judicial system would fold I would get rid of the books cause they bogus And in school, Knowledge of Self would be the focus Kids would flock to the schools like locusts Cause school now relates to them, and you would notice Violence in society would be a minimal Cause the education yeah, would now be metaphysical Not livin by laws, but livin by principal If you disobey, the UNIVERSE gets with you We would study giving so no one would steal And we would read each other's magnetic fields Petty crimes times petty crimes Equals prison for lifetimes The universe divided by two Equals me and you Me and you, go into the universe once Or as one united front But listen up, when I was growin up in hip-hoppin We had a thing called Jailhouse Boxin That's why I'm STILL here rockin Cause my competition never pulled a Glock in, yeah
Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! I sing! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! Yeah! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us! I sing! Give me relief! Squash all beef! Don't let these arguments destroy us!
By the 1870s, David Sassoon had come to dominate the trade of opium to China, having pushed the British firm Jardine Matheson and the “Parsi” traders of Bombay out of the business.
Sassoon’s eights sons all went into one branch or another of the family’s business empire, with the Sassoon presence being felt in Hong Kong, Shanghai (where they became major players in the realm of real estate), and India (where they had their own textile mills), among many other lands.
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Rap is a art form with elements that come together to make a rapper,Im not a hip-hop head or historian on the subject but I think the issues stem from its control by whites,a lack of variety in the regions and lacking craft of the art form,your krs-one comparison is unnecessary because not all krs-one songs where about political and social problems but him displaying his abilities and the context in which the thread title exist makes your unnecessary,as for dumb I feel it's context dependent.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: Rap is a art form with elements that come together to make a rapper,Im not a hip-hop head or historian on the subject but I think the issues stem from its control by whites,a lack of variety in the regions and lacking craft of the art form,your krs-one comparison is unnecessary because not all krs-one songs where about political and social problems but him displaying his abilities and the context in which the thread title exist makes your unnecessary,as for dumb I feel it's context dependent.
LOL You really don't want to debate me on this topic. Most are dumb. Let it slight.
Brand Nubian - Time is Running Out (1998)
They buildin underground cities While we concerned about seein titties With they secret, commities, and society, orders They carryin out the slaughter Picture your daughter on State's for a quarter My old Uncle Sam fought in the war of Vietnam Got caught with napalm and burned off half his fuckin arm The government knew then about the lasting effects And they cut off his checks And if he wild out he'll be murdered Or possibly herded, to the VA Hospi-tal Where they got em under on roof Where they can conceal the proof You can see **** changin cat it can't stay the same Damn I wish the government didn't have my real name
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What I mean is,outside of academic achievement there maybe impediments to why a rapper may not use brain,not caring about others,depending on how they make money,the contractor may try to stifle them from helping or ignorance because they live a famous lifestyle,its not that I think some might be stupid but I don't know the reason behind why someone would intentionally make themselves stupid.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: What I mean is,outside of academic achievement there maybe impediments to why a rapper may not use brain,not caring about others,depending on how they make money,the contractor may try to stifle them from helping or ignorance because they live a famous lifestyle,its not that I think some might be stupid but I don't know the reason behind why someone would intentionally make themselves stupid.
The irony is that there is a clear distinction between these "modern rappers" and those from years back. Years back you had "rappers" who were educated on sciences. Literally reading classic books by Plato, Africana etc... The possession of knowledge reflected in the lyrics.
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The us educational system is white controlled and outside math which depending on the district,county you live in they may not the certain levels of math,you have distortions in some these courses so kids are made dumb especially if you come from a poor neighborhood.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: What I mean is,outside of academic achievement there maybe impediments to why a rapper may not use brain,not caring about others,depending on how they make money,the contractor may try to stifle them from helping or ignorance because they live a famous lifestyle,its not that I think some might be stupid but I don't know the reason behind why someone would intentionally make themselves stupid.
The irony is that there is a clear distinction between these "modern rappers" and those from years back. Years back you had "rappers" who were educated on sciences. Literally reading classic books by Plato, Africana etc... The possession of knowledge reflected in the lyrics.
Yeah one can recall Run DMC actually rapping about their English skills- I think it was in their cut, "Rock Box." Those days are long gone, as are the KRS days though there was always raunch in rap. The difference was that back in the day raunch and thuggism wasn't the dominant force. Yes, trash was talked, but there was more balance, and less mean-spiritedness. There was more positive community spirit too as the block parties of yore attest. Cats would rock the block and people came out to party positively, collaborate on sound systems and techniques, etc, not "mug and thug."
Some of the cause involves declining communities, more broken families, more crack etc- more social breakdown..
But like Thereal says part of the problem also stems from white profit-hungry producers, who bankrolled "drinkin', druggin', and thuggin'" to that dominant position. In the race for more profits, ever more cruder, more vulgar, more extreme expressions were given play- a race to the bottom. No doubt some white buyers reveled in this faux primitism that collaborators claimed to be "the real deal"- real ghetto "authenticity".."Niggaism" as a saleable commodity.
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Prime example of flaunting of extreme stupidity. I'm sure this so-called "art" can't even be classified as music. More like a status indicator to whites that the Negro is harmless (except to his own) and engulfed in ignorance. For whites, it appears that this noise has been substituted for hard rock, which to me with also more noise than music.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: you're old
True. Too old for wasting time listening to childish rhymes about nothing. Music executives target urban music to reach the level of a 15 year old. So, why would a 30 or 40 year old be interested unless they were 30 with a 16 yo mentality? Like the 50 year old Negro mother describes her 30 year old Negro son: "That's my BABY"!
There is nothing sadder than watching a 50 year old Negro male walking around with their pants sagging, drawers showing, calling themselves real niggas. Props for losers.
The sad thing is, Hip-hop has no originality. Even sagging pants was brought about in the 1960s, but was abandoned in after about 1 year when we turned 16.
I spoke with a very well known Negro radio DJ recently who is over 60 years old and had been employed by Radio-One for decades. I asked him why he followed the programming dictated to him by Jews. What Jews, he asked. The Jews that dominate your station's board of directors, I informed him. I've never been in the board room was his response. A week later he called and told me he visited the board room and there was only 1 Negro in the room, the owner's son. Everyone else were Jews, and this is what they call a Black Radio station. This radio station tailors their format to a 15 yo listen base.
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You so realize that desiigner doesn't really sound like that but is a gimmick,though I wouldn't disbelieve whites want are music to used in a way to control us,with moles like thoddard Perry the are willing to use anybody to subjugate us.
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Ask yourself a common sense answerable question such as, how can blacks go from being supreme musicians, producers and vocalist, who play every instrument and can articulate any song to these present day dunces who can't play anything or even read music?
We go from Earth, Wind and Fire, Quincy Jones, Gil Scott-Heron, Whitney Houston, Minnie Riperton and Luther Vandross, to Birdman, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Kanye and Beyonce in less than 20 years.
LOL, even 1920s Minstrel musicians were solid musicians who could play instruments and read/write music. Rappers are a couple levels below Minstrels.
I was listening to my nephew playing a piece of trash by Kendrick Lamar where he is whining like a bytch because real musicians are upset that he is sampling (stealing) their music. The fool doesn't seem to comprehend that this is their IP and it's not cool for him to steal and plagiarize it.
Lil Wayne just stated that there is no such thing as racism, because white people come to his shows. He doesn't comprehend that they come to laugh at him, and he doesn't care because he is getting paid, which the fool uses to buy and drink cough syrup and expensive fake weed made in Holland using synthetic THC.
Personally, as a musician, I've covered a lot of artist's music, but having integrity, I would never perform another person's music if I weren't capable of doing it justice. To date, I have never heard any rapper's version that sounded anywhere as good as the original music they've stolen. They've been reduced to almost shameless animal level. Not only can't they play musical instrument or read/write music, they have no respect, integrity or shame.
If I were Jews, this would be exactly the state I would want to have Negroes in. These Negroes can't even spell, REVOLUTION.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Ask yourself a common sense answerable question such as, how can blacks go from being supreme musicians, producers and vocalist, who play every instrument and can articulate any song to these present day dunces who can't play anything or even read music?
We go from Earth, Wind and Fire, Quincy Jones, Gil Scott-Heron, Whitney Houston, Minnie Riperton and Luther Vandross, to Birdman, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Kanye and Beyonce in less than 20 years.
The answer to that is, funding of school instruments were boycotted late 70's. So real instruments were replaced for records and tapes, later beatboxing evolved. As drummachines and samplers became more accessible these became more popular in Hip Hop and House. So they sampled the music by the artist you've mentioned.
What is happening now has little to do with that tradition of soul, funk, disco and jazz music.
And there are Hip Hop producer from older generations who do know how to compose (read / write) music. It is that you aren't familiar with them. Most of the older heads have moved to making Broken-Beat music, Neo-Jazz etc., which is logic, since that is what we used to sample.
Even in sampling it is important to understand root notes and progressive changes (if you take it to a higher level).
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Ask yourself a common sense answerable question such as, how can blacks go from being supreme musicians, producers and vocalist, who play every instrument and can articulate any song to these present day dunces who can't play anything or even read music?
We go from Earth, Wind and Fire, Quincy Jones, Gil Scott-Heron, Whitney Houston, Minnie Riperton and Luther Vandross, to Birdman, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Kanye and Beyonce in less than 20 years.
The answer to that is, funding of school instruments were boycotted late 70's. So real instruments were replaced for records and tapes, later beatboxing evolved. As drummachines and samplers became more accessible these became more popular in Hip Hop and House. So they sampled the music by the artist you've mentioned.
What is happening now has little to do with that tradition of soul, funk, disco and jazz music.
And there are Hip Hop producer from older generations who do know how to compose (read / write) music. It is that you aren't familiar with them. Most of the older heads have moved to making Broken-Beat music, Neo-Jazz etc., which is logic, since that is what we used to sample.
Even in sampling it is important to understand root notes and progressive changes (if you take it to a higher level).
Actually, the band you hear backing up Curtis Blow is my band, so I know much more than you think. Curtis couldn't read or write music, but he is talented for playing several instruments by ear. My best bud in NY is Larry Blackmon who is the founder of Cameo, and my other best bud is Randy Muller, founder of Brass Construction.
My friend I grew up with is the brains behind Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake and the bass and drummer for Parliament are friends I started my first band with.
Listen to any Billy Holiday record and the sax you hear on them all is my uncle, Carl Frye, who taught me to play sax when I was 12.
Schools not funding musical instruments is no excuse. When my son wanted to play sax, I saved up and purchased one with my own dollars. Not just any sax either, but the most expensive one.
When My son said he was interested in rapping, I immediately entered him into music classes. Now that he has his degree in music and understands musical theory, he is no longer interested in rap but plays and sings classical and Jazz.
Yes, rap does have everything to do with traditional black music since they steal everything from there to make rap. They aren't creating anything new, they are just taking the lazy path without putting in the real work of becoming actual musicians. Traditional musicians have to put in decades of dedication to learn their craft. Rather than putting in the work themselves, rappers just steal the work of others. They aren't rappers, but thieving DJs. But Whites/Jews tell them it's OK to do this, so they do. Jews advised them that real musicians won't be happy about them stealing their work, so Jews coined a response phrase for them to catch all criticism, the term "haters". Not a black coined phrase, but one devised by Jews and given to Negroes to use to deflect criticism.
What the hell is NEO-Jazz or NEO-Soul? These are more Jew inspired terms to place even more divisions/labels. That Negroes repeat these ignorant terms shows how gullible you are. There is no New Jazz or New Soul. What's new about it? Nothing except it is inferior to that which came before them.
Jews could not replicate the soul of Marvin Gaye or the Jazz of Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis, but they can easily replicate this noise called Rap or these watered down Neo-blanks.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Ask yourself a common sense answerable question such as, how can blacks go from being supreme musicians, producers and vocalist, who play every instrument and can articulate any song to these present day dunces who can't play anything or even read music?
We go from Earth, Wind and Fire, Quincy Jones, Gil Scott-Heron, Whitney Houston, Minnie Riperton and Luther Vandross, to Birdman, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Kanye and Beyonce in less than 20 years.
The answer to that is, funding of school instruments were boycotted late 70's. So real instruments were replaced for records and tapes, later beatboxing evolved. As drummachines and samplers became more accessible these became more popular in Hip Hop and House. So they sampled the music by the artist you've mentioned.
What is happening now has little to do with that tradition of soul, funk, disco and jazz music.
And there are Hip Hop producer from older generations who do know how to compose (read / write) music. It is that you aren't familiar with them. Most of the older heads have moved to making Broken-Beat music, Neo-Jazz etc., which is logic, since that is what we used to sample.
Even in sampling it is important to understand root notes and progressive changes (if you take it to a higher level).
Actually, the band you hear backing up Curtis Blow is my band, so I know much more than you think.
Curtis couldn't read or write music, but he is talented for playing several instruments by ear.
Hum, when and where did I talk about Curtis Blow? Can you recall? But, much appreciation for the awesome music, which I enjoyed as a kid and now see as a learning curve being a musician myself, now.
I know for a fact that musicians from the Hip Hop pioneers era were jazz musicians, especially the artist from Sugar Hill Records, found by Joe and Sylvia Robinson.
History
Joe Robinson had parlayed a music publishing company that he established years before in New York into the All Platinum, Stang, and Turbo record labels prior to establishing the Sugar Hill label.[citation needed] Artists included his wife Sylvia, of Mickey & Sylvia fame ("who had success in the 50s with Love is Strange"), The Moments (Love on a Two Way Street), Brother to Brother, Shirley and Company ("Shame Shame Shame"), Linda Jones, Jack McDuff and Chuck Jackson.[citation needed]
Beginnings
The Sugar Hill label's first record was "Rapper's Delight" (1979) by The Sugarhill Gang, which was also the first Top 40 hip hop single. Afterwards The Sequence, Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, Funky Four Plus One, Crash Crew, Treacherous Three, and the West Street Mob, joined the label. Sugar Hill's in-house producer and arranger was Clifton "Jiggs" Chase. The in-house recording engineer was Steve Jerome. Al Goodman, leader of The Moments, ran the show and George Kerr was a major producer.[citation needed] Joe and Sylvia's sons Joey and Leland were also active in the business.[citation needed]
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: My friend I grew up with is the brains behind Brittany Spears and Justin Timberlake and the bass and drummer for Parliament are friends I started my first band with.
Cool, ...
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Listen to any Billy Holiday record and the sax you hear on them all is my uncle, Carl Frye, who taught me to play sax when I was 12.
You have an awesome legacy.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Schools not funding musical instruments is no excuse. When my son wanted to play sax, I saved up and purchased one with my own dollars. Not just any sax either, but the most expensive one.
Apparently overall instruments are (were) expensive for some people. I can't judge people on that. A sax is relatively "cheap".
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: When My son said he was interested in rapping, I immediately entered him into music classes. Now that he has his degree in music and understands musical theory, he is no longer interested in rap but plays and sings classical and Jazz.
My youngest brother was trained academically in music, his major course was Hip Hop / Rap, his main instrument piano (with classical background). I am a drummer and learning the keyboard.
Pharrell Williams Masterclass with Students at NYU Clive Davis Institute
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Yes, rap does have everything to do with traditional black music since they steal everything from there to make rap. They aren't creating anything new, they are just taking the lazy path without putting in the real work of becoming actual musicians.
It is a bit more complex then just stealing or can't be creative. There is complexity in this sampling thing as well. Arranging preexisting parts and recreating them is an art.
I sometimes join beat battles. Requested is to recreated a sample based song. I enjoy both, sampling and composing from scratch. The amazing thing is that all participants will come up with something completely different.
Young Guru borrows a beat
Revered as "The Sound of New York," Young Guru has mixed 10 of Jay-Z's albums and officially became Jay-Z's tour D.J. in 2010. Watch him borrow a beat from Al Green to show the fine line between art and piracy.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Traditional musicians have to put in decades of dedication to learn their craft.
That's the point I made earlier on.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Rather than putting in the work themselves, rappers just steal the work of others. They aren't rappers, but thieving DJs.
It's not the rapper but the producer who makes the music, though some rappers do produce.
But I think you're underestimating the craft of sampling.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: But Whites/Jews tell them it's OK to do this, so they do. Jews advised them that real musicians won't be happy about them stealing their work, so Jews coined a response phrase for them to catch all criticism, the term "haters". Not a black coined phrase, but one devised by Jews and given to Negroes to use to deflect criticism.
I am not sure if that is true. But it could be.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: What the hell is NEO-Jazz or NEO-Soul?
It is neo because it is the "revival" of the old music.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: These are more Jew inspired terms to place even more divisions/labels.
I have no idea who coined that term. First time I heard about it was after the New Jack / Swing Beat era, when Erika Badu, Maxwell and D'Angelo debuted.
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: That Negroes repeat these ignorant terms shows how gullible you are. There is no New Jazz or New Soul. What's new about it? Nothing except it is inferior to that which came before them.
It's different yeah, but inferior? That is a bit far fetched in my humble opinion.
Dego & The 2000 Black Family - 'Don't Stop (Let It Go)'
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Jews could not replicate the soul of Marvin Gaye or the Jazz of Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis, but they can easily replicate this noise called Rap or these watered down Neo-blanks.
I can't say that it is "the jews", but indeed my hearth is at the musicians you've mentioned, these are my teachers for inspiration. I do see that nothing defeats their music. We can only learn from them in composing, arranging, sound engineering.
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Lastly, the reason why Hip Hop sounds so different now is due to disassociation of culture.
I remember 78's or around that time white radicals burned disco records. These records were the records by many jazz artists.
During the 80 and 90's black kids used to sample these records simply because it was what parents listen to. This is the associated or inherited culture. Question is, what did these whites listen at who attended this rally?
I think it is called Disco Demolition Night.
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More like, external influence for destabilization of black culture. if Jews cannot replicate and control it, they'll simply transform it into something they can control. Understanding that Negroes would willing diss their own for a dollar, their strategy worked like a charm.
Look, if one states; White people are evil, there is sure to be a Negro in the crowd who jumps up and proclaim defensively, "My best friend is a white boy, and we cool". Classic Stockholm!
as if one speaks in pure absolutes. There is never such a thing as absolute, but 60% is always closer to a majority than 1.
Of course there are young Negroes who have learned music theory, can play instruments, sing and read/write, but they aren't the dominate influence on Hip-hop but rather a small non-influential minority. In fact, when these musicians do reach mainstream, they are generally dismissed by the majority as being "soft", "not hard", etc., as seen with Outcast, The Roots, and other accomplished musicians who are carrying on the past greatness of past black musical culture. Even Prince was forced to start his own record label because he, Chaka Khan, and other great artist were unable to sign with major labels.
Music is being used by Jews as one of many psychological conditioning tools to transform 1960s revolutionary spirits into this;
Here, Post Crack War Rap culture is the transformation tool and FB is the fishing net.
The dominate hip-hop culture influences this mentality and behavior. Jews have complete control over rap culture and of course FB is owned by a Pro-Israel Jew.
You don't believe that Jews are steering this boat, but once you sign a contract with a record label such as Columbia/Arista (all owned and controlled by Jews) and enter the studio, you'll see that among those in the studio will be 2-3 Jewish record executives acting as executive producers/editors of your work. This will be true in other artistic areas such as Movies, TV, etc. Jews maintain complete control over all these media outlets.
Unless you are a Stevie Wonder or Maurice White, They have the final say over what lyrics are used and how they are delivered. Some past rap groups like Public Enemy ignored advice from these executives, releasing materials uninfluenced by them. Once they display they cannot be controlled, they get banished. Remember Prof. Griff? Even successful white gentiles cannot escape this reality as seen with the white-listing of my main man, Mel Gibson.
The difference between today and yesterday is today, there is a lack of social consciousness in the music or hip-hop culture.
While the 1960s was steeped in revolutionary influences from Martin Luther King, Black Panthers, Malcolm X, Dick Gregory, and artists reflected this spirit, today's hip-Hop culture is solely focused in blind European materialism led by Jay-Z, Kanye, Beyonce, and a stripper wannabe, Nicki Minaj.
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Rap music is about lyrics sung in rhythm. All that is needed is a beat. A lot more lyrics can be delivered than in other popular music forms. That is why rap should be compared to poetry and is the voice of the people. There is plenty of politically conscious rap if you know where to look. You can find much more political commentary in sum total than in R & B of the 60s and 70s or later. Disco is comparatively mindless party music
As far as jazz musicians go Kendrick Lamar used the critically acclaimed Kamasi Washington, Robert Glasper and Thundercat all outstanding jazz musicians on his last album.
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^ Shaddup, lying imitator! If mainstream rap was indeed "hard", it'd be totally focused on sulphur smelling you and the trillions of regurgitated "Nigga" would be replaced by, "Kike"!
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"Yo, Dissin Fo Dollars. Talk about your dumb ass until ya holla"!
I get the lyric, but from an artistical point of view the song was a bit weak. Which goes to say that it is a matter of taste.
For the new generation of artist, more starting to learn how to read notes. Despite of having easy access to "digital music outlets". I hope they will return to the old way of making music. But for picking an instrument most will pick a keyboard instead of any other instrument. (Leaving out the drum computer / sampler)
[Q-Tip] Jazz Chords Sampling Technique | A Tribe Called Quest - The SPACE PROGRAM [Explained]
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^ Bernie Worrell's keyboard riffs are weak? LOL!
Why choose A Tribe Called Quest? They aren't today, but yesterday like Curtis Blow.
Yes, it is taste because IMHO, Kanye or Jay-Z can hardly be labelled as, artists, unless you describe DJs as artists.
If I wrote a novel by plagiarizing from Shakespeare, Hemingway and Baldwin, could I really be considered a novelist?
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Bernie Worrell's keyboard riffs are weak? LOL!
Why choose A Tribe Called Quest? They aren't today, but yesterday like Curtis Blow.
Yes, it is taste because IMHO, Kanye or Jay-Z can hardly be labelled as, artists, unless you describe DJs as artists.
If I wrote a novel by plagiarizing from Shakespeare, Hemingway and Baldwin, could I really be considered a novelist?
The riffs don't matter. The Bernie Worell song is a weak pseudo 90s George Clinton and Tribe Called Quest has a brand new album
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Bernie Worrell's keyboard riffs are weak? LOL!
Why choose A Tribe Called Quest? They aren't today, but yesterday like Curtis Blow.
Yes, it is taste because IMHO, Kanye or Jay-Z can hardly be labelled as, artists, unless you describe DJs as artists.
If I wrote a novel by plagiarizing from Shakespeare, Hemingway and Baldwin, could I really be considered a novelist?
I did not say his keyboard riffs were weak, you just made that up. I am speaking of the overall composition. The reason I showed that guy, is to show that he samples but in an advanced method, he understands root notes, chords, progression etc.
By your reasoning you're suggesting that a guy like Bruno Mars is not talented.
By the way A Tribe Called Quest has as released a new album, one month old. I am not sure why you bring up Kurtis Blow again? I have nothing against Kurtis. I know he was great at his craft.
Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest (RBMA New York 2013 Lecture)
quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Bernie Worrell's keyboard riffs are weak? LOL!
Why choose A Tribe Called Quest? They aren't today, but yesterday like Curtis Blow.
Yes, it is taste because IMHO, Kanye or Jay-Z can hardly be labelled as, artists, unless you describe DJs as artists.
If I wrote a novel by plagiarizing from Shakespeare, Hemingway and Baldwin, could I really be considered a novelist?
I did not say his keyboard riffs were weak, you just made that up. I am speaking of the overall composition. The reason I showed that guy, is to show that he samples but in an advanced method, he understands root notes, chords, progression etc.
By your reasoning you're suggesting that a guy like Bruno Mars is not talented.
By the way A Tribe Called Quest has as released a new album, one month old. I am not sure why you bring up Kurtis Blow again? I have nothing against Kurtis. I know he was great at his craft.
Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest (RBMA New York 2013 Lecture)
To me, Bruno Mars sounds like a white boy. Weak and unworthy to mentioned with the great black artists, as does that thieving little elf, Pharrell Williams. Beyounce sounds like a slightly more advanced Paula Abdul, studio artist.
That is probably Worrell's least popular song and it still undoes any rapper's...uh..samples.
70 year old Clinton's rap is better than lil Wayne or Birdman.
Rappers remind me of little kids who sneak into their Momma's purse, steal 50cents to buy candy.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Bernie Worrell's keyboard riffs are weak? LOL!
Why choose A Tribe Called Quest? They aren't today, but yesterday like Curtis Blow.
Yes, it is taste because IMHO, Kanye or Jay-Z can hardly be labelled as, artists, unless you describe DJs as artists.
If I wrote a novel by plagiarizing from Shakespeare, Hemingway and Baldwin, could I really be considered a novelist?
I did not say his keyboard riffs were weak, you just made that up. I am speaking of the overall composition. The reason I showed that guy, is to show that he samples but in an advanced method, he understands root notes, chords, progression etc.
By your reasoning you're suggesting that a guy like Bruno Mars is not talented.
By the way A Tribe Called Quest has as released a new album, one month old. I am not sure why you bring up Kurtis Blow again? I have nothing against Kurtis. I know he was great at his craft.
Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest (RBMA New York 2013 Lecture)
YO! Hahaha...I usually don't waste time to listen to this stuff but I 'm between Spice simulations and just started another Analog block sim, so I have a few minutes to burn and watched the Q-Tip vid.
Is this what you call artistry? Really!? Lordy, Lordy! Is this what you call, advanced sampling? I used to do better than that with my Prophet-5, a LiNN Drum, and bouncimg between two cassette tape recorders, with the only difference being, I didn't need to steal other people's material to do it. I can play, sing, compose all on my own.
He's stealing (sampling) my boys from 145th and Amsterdam, Black Ivory-You and I, a HUGE hit from the 70s, but only the piano intro. Black Ivory lived two doors from me and We performed that song at the Apollo, The Audubon Ballroom, and all around the NY area. We didn't have a full time band so we used a group called, The Funk Brothers to back us up.
I lost interest and didn't take time to determine who else's material he's stealing to lay on top of the intro, but the vocals are super weak and not worthy of being on top of Black Ivory's hit. If Q-Tip's song is 1/100th as large as Black Ivory's, he'd be lucky as hell.
Leroy and the gang's vocals are Top Class, but those on Q-tip's DJ sample are just plain mediocre. I hear better vocals on the street corners of Baltimore.
LMAO! and you called Bernie Worrell's ORIGINAL composition weak. LOL.
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