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This video explains why some Blacks choose to support Eurocentrist theories and researchers, while they attack Afrocentric researchers who study Egypt and Black Civilization..

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An informative video one would think the internet would encourage cultural cohesiveness yet minds have to think for theirselves.

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  • Lots Of Confusion Over Teacher Firings At Howard University Middle School


    February 3, 2015

    GENE DEMBY

    Students protest outside Howard University Middle School of Mathematics and Science.
    Victoria M. Walker/Howard University
    Updated on Feb. 4 at 12:30 p.m. ET: The board of directors for the Howard University Middle School of Mathematics and Science issued a statement on the dismissal of three social studies teachers, indicating that the school is governed by an independent nonprofit organization and regulated by the D.C. Charter School Board. Its also confirms that three teachers resigned from the university effective Jan. 27. From the statement:

    "The teaching of African and African-American history and culture was not a factor in the acceptance of the resignations. This curriculum includes a content strand centered on an enduring understanding of African cultural systems. [School principal Dr. Angelicque Blackmon], recruited to Howard University Middle School of Mathematics and Science through a national search, has a long track record of engaging African American students and teachers in culturally responsive STEM education."
    Howard University president and member of the middle school's board of directors, Dr. Wayne A.I. Frederick, confirmed that the board is investigating: "Concerns expressed by parents, teachers and all constituents are appreciated and will be addressed by the board in a comprehensive manner, beginning this week."

    Our original post continues:

    A D.C. charter school founded by and located at Howard University has been embroiled for days in an increasingly public fight over the firing of three teachers. Parents and students claim the teachers were dismissed for teaching Black History Month lessons. These parents and students have mobilized in protest, and social media are abuzz.

    But there's a whole lot about this story that's unclear. Here's what we know — and what we don't.

    According to WJLA, the teachers were given pink slips in late January. Several parents have claimed that this happened in front of students, and that the teachers were escorted out of the building by police officers.

    The head of a parents group told The Washington Post that the teachers were already planning to step down when they were terminated:

    "Adilah Bilal, president of Parents in Action, a parent group at the school, said the social studies teachers came to the group on Jan. 22 and said they were planning to resign. Bilal said the reason the teachers gave was that they wanted to introduce more African history into a curriculum that focuses heavily on Greek and Roman history, but they claimed the administration did not support them. One teacher said that she had been written up for a lesson she gave about former mayor Marion Barry near the time of his death, Bilal said.
    "She said the teachers had planned to resign [that] Friday, so they could stay long enough to help students meet the Feb. 2 deadline to apply to high school through the citywide enrollment lottery. In the meantime, the parents resolved to hire a mediator to help the teachers and administrators work out the dispute. But early last week, administrators asked the teachers to leave immediately, she said."
    On Monday, at least two dozen students at the middle school (which has about 300 students) walked out in protest, waving pan-African flags and holding signs. Some shared a list of demands, including "new social studies teachers ... who will be treated with respect" and that the school "stop tracking students for school to prison pipeline."

    It would be surprising if the parents' allegations turned out to be true — for one thing, the school is at Howard University, one of the country's most well-known historically black universities, where the marching band famously plays the "Black National Anthem" before its football games. (The university's president, Wayne Frederick, sits on the charter school's board of directors.) And the middle school has observed Black History Month before — here's a picture from a 2008 school assembly celebrating it.

    In the meantime, the local chapter of the NAACP has been conducting its own investigation. Chapter head Akosua Ali told The Washington Post on Monday that the organization doesn't believe the teachers were dismissed for teaching black history, but the Post doesn't put forward another reason for the firings.

    The school hasn't publicly responded to the allegations but told me a statement will be released in the next few days.

    The city's public charter school board posted a statement on its website saying the city's charter schools "are allowed the sole discretion on specific academic decisions including the hiring and termination of their staff and teachers." Notably, teachers at charter schools are typically not unionized the way traditional public school teachers are, which means they are easier to terminate.

    We've reached out to the NAACP and will update this post if we hear back.


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They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

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quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

Very interesting...
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quote:
originally posted by: Clyde Winters

http://bafsudralam.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-first-americans-were-khoisan.html

The first Americans were Khoisan speakers. The Penon woman of Mexico and Luzia of Brazil were probably Khoisan. this is supported by the ancient Y-chromosomes of the Fuegians of South America.

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originally posted by: Clyde Winters

https://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/category/blacks-in-thenear-east/

I believe that the Natufians given the craniometric evidence for this group probably were San and/or Khoisan . Up to today many Khoisan people live in East Africa, the origination point for the Natufian people. I would guess that the Natufians spoke a Khoisan language.



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originally posted by: Clyde Winters

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA&sa=U&ved=0ahU

It appears that the first Europeans were Khoisan (Boule and Vallois, 1957).

--Encyclopedia of Making up Stuff,
Oxforde University Press, 2002

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Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.

The PaleoAmericans were Khoisan. In fact the Khoisan was the dominant population in the Americas and Eurasia until the expansion of the Anu (Pygymies).
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Researchers believe the Fuegians are remnants of the earliest settlers of the New World. The Fuegians have different genetic make-up from the other South Americans Indians.

George Weber notes that: “As far as we can draw conclusions from a single skeleton, the fact that Pali Aike aligns with Africans and Australians, instead of with Asians and modern Amerindians is significant in at least two different ways for the current debate about who were the first Americans.” .


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George Weber added that: “First, it shows that people similar to those that inhabited the Lagoa Santa area, in central Brazil, and the area of Sabana de Bogota, in Colombia, once had a wide distribution across South America, reaching even the southernmost region of the sub-continent.” He added: Second, but intrinsically related to the first fact, that the non-Mongoloid morphology already demonstrated to occur in tropical and subtropical areas of South America.

The Fuegians and Khoisan share many culture traits including housing and tools. Below you can see the similar elements shared by the Fuegians and Khoisan.

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The Fuegians and Khoisan carry the M174 gene related to the D haplogroup. The Fuegians may carry the genes of the first Americans note the facial characteristics of the Fuegians and Khoisan and the homes they built.

Now we know that they introduced Y-Chromosome R into the Americas also.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


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Are you joking?
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quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

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Book

https://books.google.com/books?id=nXh0QrPYrYUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=fuegians&f=false

The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence
By David Imhotep

page 39 references a Clyde video not an article:

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.


Busted yall, making up stuff
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:


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Are you joking?
No. Why do you think I'm joking?

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by beyoku:
They are not attacking “black scholars”. They are attacking the shoddy conclusion and interpretations in some of their work.

Not too long ago I was in a black bookstore, one book quoted you in Reference to precolumbian African dna in the Americas and referered to an article in which you stated that Khoisan in Southern Africa carry Y-DNA : D-M174.

Can you produce an original source of Southern African D-M174?

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Book

https://books.google.com/books?id=nXh0QrPYrYUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=fuegians&f=false

The First Americans Were Africans: Documented Evidence
By David Imhotep

page 39 references a Clyde video not an article:

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Yea, I said the Khoisan carry D-M174. It has been a while since I wrote this so I have lost the source.


Busted yall, making up stuff

Click on the picture to see this video. Enjoy.

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I made this video in 2008. That was 9 years ago. Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.

that's silliness Khoisans carry a lot of hap A, some B and a very very small percentage of R probably due to European settlers. Many are also mixed with bantu

So where the hell is all that hap A in the Americans then?
Answer that before even addressing other haplogroups

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
Since then I have made significant discoveries regarding the Khoisan in America. It was the Khoisan who introduced the Solutrean culture to the Americas.

that's silliness Khoisans carry a lot of hap A, some B and a very very small percentage of R probably due to European settlers. Many are also mixed with bantu

So where the hell is all that hap A in the Americans then?
Answer that before even addressing other haplogroups

LOL. That's easy to answer. There have been at least three migrations of African populations into the Americas in the past 20,000 years, plus the introduction of Mongoloid Indians from Asia, 6000 years ago has led to genetic drift decreasing the influence of hg A in the Americas/
We may never know the admixture between Native Americans and Africans if we wait to get the information from researchers because they are attempting to maintain the status quo.

Discrepancies take place because researchers do not want to tell the truth about the genetic histories of African people and their admixture with Native Americans and Eurasians. As a result, researchers have developed methods to exclude evidence of non-Africans carrying haplogroups mtDNA haplogroups L, and y-Chromosomes E and A.


This is due to the protocols of AdMixture and Structure programs that assume that Native Americans, Europeans and Africans only met after 1492. As a result researchers try to find methods to exclude African presence in European and Native Americans so evidence of this admixture will not be evidenced in the final results. Next researchers claim that if African people carry mtDNA haplogroups: N, R, M and D ; and Y-Chromosomes C, Q, I, J, and R, they are carrying Eurasians haplogroups, eventhough all of these haplogroups are found among African populations that have no history of admixture with Europeans. As a result, these haplogroups are probably of African origin--not a back migration.

Researchers believe this evidence should be excluded because any African admixture among these populations have to be recent.
The best example of how African admixture is excluded in research is Reich, D. et al, Reconstructing Native American population history. Nature 488, 370-374 (2012) Paper web page , the method used to exclude African admixture from this study is detailed in Supplementary Material 1.Reich, D. et al (2012) outlines the motivations for the exclusion of Africans from his study:
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  • (i) Motivation
    There were a number of populations for which we did not have access to unadmixed samples. To learn about the history of such populations, we needed to adjust for the presence of non-Native ancestry. We used three complementary approaches to do this. The concordance of results from all these approaches increases our confidence in the key findings of this study.

    (1) Restricting to unadmixed samples: We restricted some analyses to 163 Native American samples (34 populations) without any evidence of recent European or African admixture (Note S2). A limitation of these studies, however, is that we could not analyze 16 populations in which all individuals were inferred to have some degree of recent admixture.

    (2) Local ancestry masking: We identified segments of the genome in each individual that had an appreciable probability of harboring non-Native American or Siberian ancestry. We then created a “masked” dataset that treated genetic data in these sections as missing (Note S4).

    (3) Ancestry Subtraction: We explicitly corrected for the effect of the estimated proportion of European and African in each sample by adjusting the value of f4-statistics by the amount that is expected from this admixture. This is discussed in what follows.

    (ii) Details of Ancestry Subtraction
    Assume that we have an accurate estimate of African and European ancestry for each sample (whether it is an individual or a pool of individuals). In practice, we used the ADMIXTURE k=4 estimates, because as described below, they appear to be accurate for Native American populations (with the possible exception of Aleuts as we discuss below). We can then define:

    a = % African ancestry in a test sample
    e = % European ancestry in a test sample
    1-a-e = % Native ancestry

    For many of our analyses, we are computing f4 statistics, whose values are affected in a known way by European and African admixture. Thus, we can algebraically correct for the effect of recent European or African admixture on the test statistics, obtaining an “Ancestry Subtracted” statistic that is what is expected for the sample if it had no recent European or African ancestry.

    The main context in which we compute f4 statistics is in our implementation of the 4 Population Test, to evaluate whether the allele frequency correlation patterns in the data are consistent with the proposed tree ((Unadmixed, Test),(Outgroup1, Outgroup2)), where the Unadmixed population is a set of Native American samples assumed to derive all of their ancestry from the initial population that peopled America, the Test population is another Native American population, and the two outgroups are Asian populations. An f4 statistic consistent with zero suggests that the Unadmixed and Test populations form a clade with no evidence of ancestry from more recent streams of gene flow from Asia. If the Test population harbors recent European or African ancestry, however, a significant deviation of this statistic from zero would be expected, making it difficult to interpret the results. We thus compute a linear combination of f4 statistics that is expected to equal what we would obtain if we had access to the Native American ancestors of the Test population without recent European or African admixture:

    S_1=(f_4 (Unadmixed,Test;Out1,Out2)-(a) f_4 (Unadmixed,Yoruba;Out1,Out2)-(e) f_4 (Unadmixed,French;Out1,Out2))/(1-a-e) (S3.1)

    Intuitively, this statistic is subtracting the contribution to the f4 statistic that is expected from their proportion a of West African-like ancestry (Yoruba), and their proportion e of West Eurasian-like ancestry (French). We then renormalize by 1/(1-a-e) to obtain the statistic that would be expected if the sample was unadmixed.

    A potential concern is that the African and European ancestry in any real Native American test sample is not likely to be from Yoruba and French exactly; instead, it will be from related populations. However, S1 is still expected to have the value we wish to compute if we choose the outgroups to be East Asians or Siberians. The reason is that genetic differences between Yoruba and the true African ancestors, and French and the true European ancestors, are not expected to be correlated to the frequency differences between two East Asian or Siberian outgroups. Specifically, the allele frequency differences are due to history within Africa or Europe, which is not expected to be correlated to allele frequency differences within East Asia and within Siberia.

    (iii) Ancestry Subtraction gives results concordant with those on unadmixed samples
    To compare the performance of our three approaches to address the confounder of recent European and African admixture, we computed 48 = 8×6 statistics of the form f4(Unadmixed, Test; Han, San). We choose “Unadmixed” to be one of 8 Native American groups from Meso-America southward that have sample sizes of at least two and for which all samples are inferred to be unadmixed by ADMIXTURE k=4 (Chane, Embera, Guahibo, Guaymi, Karitiana, Kogi, Surui and Waunana). We choose “Test” to be one of 8 Native American populations from Meso-America southward with at least two samples that are entirely unadmixed, and that also have at least two samples that have >5% non-Native admixture according to the ADMIXTURE k=4 analysis (Aymara, Cabecar, Pima, Tepehuano, Wayuu and Zapotec1). This allows us to compare results on admixed and unadmixed samples from the same population.

    If the Test population harbors European or West African admixture that we have not corrected, we expect to see a significant deviation of the statistic from zero. For example, f4(Karitiana, French; Han, San), corresponding to the statistic expected for an entirely European-admixed Native American population, is significant at Z = 45 standard errors from zero, and f4(Karitiana, Yoruba; Han, San), which gives the f4-value we would expect for an entirely West African-admixed Native American population, is significant at Z = 101.

    Figure S3.1 shows the scatterplots of Z-scores we obtain without Ancestry Subtraction, with Ancestry Subtraction, and with local ancestry masking (Note S4). The x-axis shows data for the unadmixed samples from each Test population, while the y-axis shows the results for the >5% admixed samples from the same populations. We find that:
    • Without Ancestry Subtraction there are significant deviations from zero (|Z|>3) (Fig. S3.1A)
    • With Ancestry Subtraction, there are no residual |Z|-scores >3 (Figure S3.1B)
    • With local ancestry masking (Note S4), there are again no residual |Z|-scores >3 (Figure S3.1C), showing that this method also appears to be appropriately correcting for the admixture.



Given the exclusion of Africans from studies like Reich, D. et al (2012), means that we do not really know the actual admixture among Africans and Native American that carry the accepted African haplogroups: i.e., haplogroups A, E , L and etc.


Moreover, once researchers stop masking out African haplogroups when they do Native American admixture projects, we will probably see more evidence of hg A, in the Americas.

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So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians
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So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians

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I have presented abundant evidence supporting the Khoisan origin of many PaleoAmericans. This data has been published in several articles. If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.

Clyde Winters , THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA, https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Clyde Winters, AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA, https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.


Clydian non-sequiter if you cannot disprove that a mouse lives on the moon

a mouse does live on the moon

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.


Clydian non-sequiter if you cannot disprove that a mouse lives on the moon

a mouse does live on the moon

LOL. Euronut you don't know anything about science . Your example, is illogical and non-scientific because there is no way to test your hypotheses, since we don't know what exist on the moon.

My articles on the otherhand, provide data that support my hypotheses. As a result all you have to do is find counter evidence that falsify my evidence, if I am wrong. In science you test hypotheses, not non-verifiable statements.

I have written books and articles on Black Native America and the haplogroups they carry.

Winters,C. (2015). THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA,jirr.htm2015 Vol. 3 (3) July-September, pp.71-83/Winter. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2015). A PROTOCOL TO EVALUATE POPULATION GENETICS PAPERS. Available at Cibtech Journal of Bio-Protocols , 4 (1):1-7. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Bio-Protocols/PUBLICATIONS/2015/Vol-4-No-1/01-CJBP-001-WINTERS-PROTOCOL-PAPERS.pdf

Winters,C. (2015). AFRICAN ORIGIN OF NATIVE AMERICAN R1-M173. International Journal of Innovative Research and Review , 3 (1):21-29. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Innovative-Research-Review/Publications/2015/Vol-3-No-1/04-JIRR-004-CLYDE-AFRICAN.pdf

Winters, C. (2014). Were the First Europeans Pale or Dark Skinned? Advances in Anthropology, 4,124-132. http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/aa.2014.43016

_________HLA-B*35 IN MEXICAN AMERINDIANS AND AFRICAN , https://www.academia.edu/11789004/HLA-B_35_IN_MEXICAN_AMERINDIANS_AND_AFRICAN_POPULATIONS

___________Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA, http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856

____________Who were the Mound Builders, https://www.academia.edu/11788622/WHO_WERE_THE_MOUND_BUILDERS_IN_THE_UNITED_STATES

______________African and Dravidian Origins of the Melenesians, https://www.academia.edu/10306654/AFRICAN_AND_DRAVIDIAN_ORIGINS_OF_THE_MELANESIANS

_______________. AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA . https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

________________. THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2011). Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?. Cur Res J Bio Scien, 3(6): 555-558. Retrieved 3/16/2015 at : http://www.academia.edu/1898582/Is_Native_American_R_Y-Chromosome_of_African_Origin

Winters, C. (211a).POSSIBLE AFRICAN ORIGIN OF Y-CHROMOSOME R1-M173. https://www.academia.edu/1898548/Possible_African_Origin_of_Y-Chromosome_R1_-M173

Winters, C. (2010). The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. http://www.maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

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Your example, is illogical and non-scientific because there is no way to test your hypotheses, since we don't know what exist on the moon.


That's exactly how Clydian Falcification Theory works

since no one can disprove Khosians carried D-M174 they did

the burden off proof is on the respondent

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Clyde. You haven’t proved anything. You are on record saying Khoisan have D-M174. Now you are saying Fueguins have It to. Please source the evidence. It doesn’t matter how long ago you wrote it, go to your article and pull up the reference for the tested sample showing D-M174.

Or should I assume you just made it up?
Are there ANY Native American groups samples for D-M174?

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We are talking about two different things. lioness claimed "So to recap, Clyde has zero evidence of Khosian DNA in the Americas, nor Khosians with hair resembling Fuegians", she was wrong. The Khoisan settled the Americas after the Australians. They were the PaleoAmericans.

As I said before I have lost the sources for the claims I made in the 2008 video.Before I did the video I saw papers that situated D-M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan.

As a result, of losing the papers where I found this information, I believe , I have never made the claim that Khoisan and Fuegians carried D-M174 in any of my published research articles.

But I did not make this claim up.

In my research articles I have confirmed that the Khoisan has contributed to the Native American genetic pool.

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I have presented abundant evidence supporting the Khoisan origin of many PaleoAmericans. This data has been published in several articles. If you disagree write an article providing evidence that falsify my research.

Clyde Winters , THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA, https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Clyde Winters, AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA, https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

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So you don’t have the genetic evidence for Khoisan D-M174. And apparently you dont have the confidence to simply FIND the original source. There are not too many samples of South African Khoisan and you could easily find it if it existed.

So basically you just made that shit up?

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I used genetic evidence to make my claim. I made inferences based on the Y-STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan haplogroups.

The Khoisan carry Y-hg A,the foundational haplogroup to all known patrilineal lineages. As a result, they carry numerous Y-hg including A,B,and E. I used this evidence to propose that Khoisan probably also carried Y-hg D.

The y chromosome STRs of the Fuegians include DYS434,DYS437,DYS 439, DYS 393, DYS391,DYS390, DYS19, DYS 389I, DYS389II and DYS 388. Except for DYS390 and DYS388 they are characteristic of Y-haplogroup A1 . A1 is recognized as a Khoisan haplogroup.


Researchers have found the signature six microsatellites in YAP and M174 are DYS19, DYS388,DYS390, DYS391,DYS392 and DYS393. This corresponded to the Fuegians Y-STRs DYS434, DYS437, DYS439, DYS393, DYS391, DYS390, DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, and DYS388. These microsatellites that usually define M174, are also found among the Khoisan ( as part of Y-hg A1). As a result, I made the claim that the Khoisan and Fuegians 400 years ago were related.

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quote:
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I used genetic evidence to make my claim. I made inferences based on the Y-STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan haplogroups.

The Khoisan carry Y-hg A,the foundational haplogroup to all known patrilineal lineages. As a result, they carry numerous Y-hg including A,B,and E. I used this evidence to propose that Khoisan probably also carried Y-hg D.

The y chromosome STRs of the Fuegians include DYS434,DYS437,DYS 439, DYS 393, DYS391,DYS390, DYS19, DYS 389I, DYS389II and DYS 388. Except for DYS390 and DYS388 they are characteristic of Y-haplogroup A1 . A1 is recognized as a Khoisan haplogroup.


Researchers have found the signature six microsatellites in YAP and M174 are DYS19, DYS388,DYS390, DYS391,DYS392 and DYS393. This corresponded to the Fuegians Y-STRs DYS434, DYS437, DYS439, DYS393, DYS391, DYS390, DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, and DYS388. These microsatellites that usually define M174, are also found among the Khoisan ( as part of Y-hg A1). As a result, I made the claim that the Khoisan and Fuegians 400 years ago were related.

Man.....what.....the.....fvck...... is that gobbledegook you just wrote? You are just making stuff up. Boy I SWEAR you are counter intelligence.

YAP and M174 are not microssatellite STR’s. They are SNP’s. Furthermore those DYS positions you posted are just that.....locations. You left out the STR repeat.....ALL Y chromosomes have those diagnostic positions when dealing with STR. What differs when you are dealing with predicted haplogroups is the number of repeats on DYS19, DYS392 or DYS390 etc.

Also the STR profile found in Khoisan when looking at SNPs cannot be both a terminal lineage under A-M91 AND D-M174. It’s either one or the other. If you don’t know what your are talking about you cannot just make stuff up and not even be remotely close.

In essence what you did is make a claim that you “live in the whitehouse because your address contains a “Street name” and a “city”. It didn’t matter that you don’t give us the specific.....but since your home and the White House both contain a “Street name” and a “city” within its address then it’s obvious you can argue you live there.

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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still

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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

quote:


Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



He added that
quote:


Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.

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Clyde can you please remove or edit this video until you properly reference your claim on Khosian and Fuegians carrying M174

thanks

If not you will have to be categorized as a psuedo scientist

Your rep is on the line here, these videos need references too, that can be done in a two second still

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact.

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, your credibility is on the line here

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This guy HAS NO CREDIBILITY.

“I was wrong about this one” is all he would need to say.

This issue with M174 like plenty of other ideas around mtdna and yDna put forth by Clyde are simply WRONG.

Sometimes the frequencies and presence of a lineage is wrong.......sometimes the science itself is wrong. Either way that doesn’t make me brainwashed. It just means we calling you out on some made up bullshit.

Also If you can’t find the lineage in Khoisan by simply looking into your last work that means you didn’t even properly reference it.

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LOL. There are many brainwashed people on this forum. If this was not so xyyman, Mike and others would not be banned, simply because they question many of the beliefs of the status quo and Academia. Due to being brainwashed, they see any criticism of the status quo as a threat to their inteeligence, since they believe anything published by an Academic is true.

Now we only have posters who accept whatever is published as reliable and valid, instead of seriously looking at the data and results published in these research articles.


There has always been many people here who believe I lack credibility and you can tell who they are because I never directly respond this cabal of cowards.

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.

But no matter, what they believe I am diligent in referencing my published research articles and invite anyone to write a rebuttal to my research articles, supporting their attack with proper citation.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


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You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

quote:


Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



He added that
quote:


Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


Clyde you're lying now you are saying a hypothesis and a fact are the same thing.

We look at the video and you state " The Fuegians and Khoisans carry the M174"
If that were a hypothesis a legitimate scientific article would say "we hypothesize that..."

But when you are talking about M174 you state it as a fact not a hypothesis and David Imhotep even uses this video as a reference. You tricked him too into thinking a hypothesis of yours was a fact.

Does your video say "Over time I may be shown that both the Fuegians and Khoisans carry M174"

NO BRO

There is a whole culture out there of African Americans now saying not just that they are part Native American but they are saying they aren't even African.
And your video is contributing to this.
Here we have one of the most famous rappers in the world saying he's not even black


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"I'm not African-American at all," Waka says in the video. "My folks is not from Africa. A lot of people in this room's folks ain't from Africa. Might be a couple, but people just don't understand. I asked my grandma, 'Yo grandma, what's your background?' She said 'Red foot and black tail Indian.' I said, 'What?' She said, 'Yeah.' My mother and my father, we 100% Indians.' I asked my other grandmother, and we got Cherokee in us, and European and Italian. A little Dominican." As the interview continues he adds, "I'm uneducated. I'm confused. But I'm damn sure not Black. You're not gonna call me Black."



This is just one youtube with over 200,000 views and I can show you another with just as many and other articles on it.
He's saying he's not African or black. I might give him an ear but he hasn't even taken a DNA test, just taking grandma too literally

People have taken the I'm part Native American to a new level of denying they are even African and here even "black"
This is the fruit of your unproven statements you made in back in 2008 with its 16K of views and you are not even a famous rapper

Is this your version of success? making up stuff on a national level? This stuff is all over the internet now in many forms, not even mentioning this rapper. Just go on youtube and type "we are not African" and about 5,000 things come up

Clyde see if you can get somebody to contact Waka Flocka. He could make you famous just feed him some more made up stuff, he's hungry

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population. After, making this claim I reframed from attempting this procedure again, since I do not work in a laboratory . Now in doing my articles I try to use only published mtDNA and YDNA results to support my hypotheses.


You made a hypothesis Khosians and Fuegians carry M174

Yet you don't say it's a hypothesis in the video. You state it as fact. A hypothesis is not a fact

Clyde please remove or edit this video on youtube, thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.


Clyde you're lying now you are saying a hypothesis and a fact are the same thing.

We look at the video and you state " The Fuegians and Khoisans carry the M174"
If that were a hypothesis a legitimate scientific article would say "we hypothesize that..."

But when you are talking about M174 you state it as a fact not a hypothesis and David Imhotep even uses this video as a reference. You tricked him too into thinking a hypothesis of yours was a fact.

Does your video say "Over time I may be shown that both the Fuegians and Khoisans carry M174"

NO BRO

There is a whole culture out there of African Americans now saying not just that they are part Native American but they are saying they aren't even African.
And your video is contributing to this.
Here we have one of the most famous rappers in the world saying he's not even black


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quote:

"I'm not African-American at all," Waka says in the video. "My folks is not from Africa. A lot of people in this room's folks ain't from Africa. Might be a couple, but people just don't understand. I asked my grandma, 'Yo grandma, what's your background?' She said 'Red foot and black tail Indian.' I said, 'What?' She said, 'Yeah.' My mother and my father, we 100% Indians.' I asked my other grandmother, and we got Cherokee in us, and European and Italian. A little Dominican." As the interview continues he adds, "I'm uneducated. I'm confused. But I'm damn sure not Black. You're not gonna call me Black."



This is just one youtube with over 200,000 views and I can show you another with just as many and other articles on it.
He's saying he's not African or black. I might give him an ear but he hasn't even taken a DNA test, just taking grandma too literally

People have taken the I'm part Native American to a new level of denying they are even African and here even "black"
This is the fruit of your unproven statements you made in back in 2008 with its 16K of views and you are not even a famous rapper

Is this your version of success? making up stuff on a national level? This stuff is all over the internet now in many forms, not even mentioning this rapper.

Clyde see if you can get somebody to contact Waka Flocka. He could make you famous just feed him some more made up stuff, he's hungry

I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact. A hypothesis can be confirmed or disconfirmed. That means that you have a right to disagree with my hypothesis.

I also have Native American ancestry: Choctaw. My wife's Grandfather on her father's side was Cherokee and her grandmother Blackfeet. Her Greatgrandmother on her mother's side only spoke "Indian".

But I also recognize that Black Native American (BNA) and African slaves (AS) mated on the plantation so I see nothing wrong with claiming indigenous ancestry. this is why I make it clear black people have a tripartite origin: BNA+AS+ Black European=Afro-American. See my recent video
Who are the Afro-Americans.Click on photo. Make sure to begin the tape at the beginning

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I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact.

Yes you are right here:


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^ here you said:

"The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That is stating something as if it is a proven fact

When scientific articles state a hypothesis they say

" We (or I) hypothesize Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That means it may not be proven but we are guessing it might likely be true. That is why we have the word hypothesis or theory because as you said " Over time I may be proven correct."

"may be correct" is not certain but you present the statement with certainty.

You keep saying you are stating a hypothesis but you are not stating anything in the video to indicate the statement is a hypothesis. You are instead stating it as if it were a fact.


Stating a hypothesis is when you say you are hypothesizing or theorizing. In the video you did not state that, so please don't try to play dumb

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I am not saying my hypothesis about Y-DNA D-M174 is a fact.

Yes you are right here:


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^ here you said:

"The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That is stating something as if it is a proven fact

When scientific articles state a hypothesis they say

" We (or I) hypothesize Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"

That means it may not be proven but we are guessing it might likely be true. That is why we have the word hypothesis or theory because as you said " Over time I may be proven correct."

"may be correct" is not certain but you present the statement with certainty.

You keep saying you are stating a hypothesis but you are not stating anything in the video to indicate the statement is a hypothesis. You are instead stating it as if it were a fact.


Stating a hypothesis is when you say you are hypothesizing or theorizing. In the video you did not state that, so please don't try to play dumb

Stop playing dumb. Evolution is taught everyday as a fact. These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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quote:
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These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.
But much more importantly if the Europeans are not not teaching something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something Eurocentric way you should do things the right way by informing your viewers stating you are proposing a theory or hypothesis and "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

These people are teaching in Schools and College the "Theory of Evolution", as if it is a fact. A theory is a hypothesis.

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Now you have it right Clyde. The are teaching what they call "Theory of Evolution" but you are not teaching " The theory that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"
You say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene"
and don't have the word theory or hypothesis in the sentence
But much more importantly if the Europeans were not not teach something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something wrong they are doing you should do things the right way by not informing your viewers "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

Stop making stuff up. I taught Elementary and High School Science for over 20 years. You just teach Evolution. It is never stayed in the science book this is a theory.
But much more importantly if the Europeans are not not teaching something properly that is not an excuse for you to do it.
As an Afrocentric you should not be doing something Eurocentric way you should do things the right way by informing your viewers stating you are proposing a theory or hypothesis and "Over time I may be proven correct."

So please edit the video to say
" I theorize that the Fuegians and Khosians carry M174"

thank you

No I will not edit the video. I made a hypothesis and I stand by it. You can disagree with it but I will not retract it. Over time I may be proven correct.

Researchers apply whatever haplogroup they which to aDNA because of the association of genes to various haplogroups.

Looking at ancient DNA to determine ancient population origins can be misleading. Let’s look at dna of Ust-ishim and Clovis-Anzick man as it compares to modern populations.


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Although it is clear that Ust-ishim was T2b3, the popular press claims he belonged to the haplogroup U clade. Look at the cousins of Ust-ishim it is these modern people who belong to the U clade that are his cousins. See: http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html


Look at the Clovis-Anzick DNA matches to modern people.

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If you look closely you can see how they match many Non-Native Americans. See http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html


What does this mean? It means that researchers may only be giving us results that match their expectations of how the data should look.

IN relation to Anzick man Felix Immanuel noted that:

quote:


Just a quick recap, I processed the raw data for Clovis-Anzick-1 and uploaded into GEDMatch and to my surprise, there are matches as near as 3rd to 4th cousins. Now, that's a real problem because, the matches are to a DNA sample older than 12500 years. This is practically impossible and very mysterious.[/img] I will investigate step-by-step and see what are all the possibilities and failure points, which could solve the problem. But before that, we need to be absolutely sure that these matches are indeed valid. From the matches, I requested for phased kit and I indeed got one - Thanks to Mario Diaz and Veronica.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick



He added that
quote:


Clearly, an IBD segment of 5 cM above 500 SNPs with total IBD segments around 10+ cM cannot be 12500 years old. This is a fact and can be verified using known relationships in families and DNA companies are using these benchmarks all along for showing genetic matches. This fact is more than enough to conclude that the Clovis-Anzick-1 sample is not actually ancient. My best guess is, the infant boy's sample is just from the last century and it was wrongly labeled as 12500 years old or the sample got contaminated.


See: http://www.fi.id.au/search/label/Anzick

As you can see the DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

As a result, there is no need to redo my video, overtime my Fuegian-Khoisan matches may be proven correct.

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quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.


That buries you even more.

First you claim "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" with no testing that show that result.

Then you say if you actually had genetic tests that showed Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene that DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

You just shot yourself in the foot

twice

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.


That buries you even more.

First you claim "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" with no testing that show that result.

Then you say is you actually had genetic tests that showed Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene that DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

You just shot yourself in the foot

twice

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DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.

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Funny how Clyde says "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and he doesn't even know if it's true

So don'y listen to people who promise to free you with the truth and sell you something they don't know the ingredients of

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quote:
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Funny how Clyde says "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and he doesn't even know if it's true

So don'y listen to people who promise to free you with the truth and sell you something they don't know the ingredients of

I agree you can begin by covering your eyes and ears and not listening to this Euronut.

To Euronuts like lioness, Its alright for Euronuts to publish genetic data on admixed populations, based on results where the African genes were "masked out", i.e., kept deliberately out of a study to make sure we don't know what the frequency of African genes carried by Native Americans and Eurasians actually are.

No one knows the truth about everything, especially when we depend on data supplied by others which were the STRs of 400 year old Fuegian skeletons and Khoisan Y-DNA that led to my inference that Fuegians and Khoisan carry D-M174.

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I will reiterate DNA is not always a clear marker of actual ancient events or relationships between populations and individuals.
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Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.

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Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 thousand years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.

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quote:
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In relation to the issue of M174 among the Fuegians and Khoisan, I tried to use Y-STR loci, to determine the presence of M174 among and within (the Fuegian skeletons) and the Khoisan population.

This is already bogus because you dont understand the science behind what you are writing.
The markers that you think tie Americans and Khoisan together are just that A GENERIC LIST OF STR MARKERS found in every Y-Chromosome. What actually matters is the Number of Repeats on each marker.

Again I give the analogy of an address. Generally every residential US address will contain a "City" "Zip Code" and "Street Name" - That doesn't tie them all together dumbass, the actual VALUES of those variables tell you were the person is located.

Clyde give up the charade. You are a white person in black face, Afrocentric counter intelligence because nobody would knowingly create and publish some of the nonsense that you do, putting such a stain on the Afrocentric community.

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quote:
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Actually, New excavations in Brazil, found that people from West Africa were the first humans to arrived in the America Continent 54 thousands of years ago, landed and settled by the Atlantic Ocean Coast in Northeast of Brazil, a region called "Serra da Capivara" located in the Brazilian State called Piaui. Before, in accordance to Europeans theories, the first humans which arrived in America were Eastern Asians, by crossing the Bering Strait.
New excavations in Brazil proved otherwise.

The first Africans arrived in Brazil by crossing the Atlantic Ocean by "boat". Many African migrations to Brazil followed every few thousands and few hundred of years, from Africa and from Africans descents of out of Africa Homo Sapiens in South Asia.

One particular very ancient African Migration to Brazil was from a West African people from South of Chad, called Kameeni, which plated their lips. In Brazil they are called "Aymore". The history of Kameeni people is very sad. The ones which stayed in Chad and Sudan, were hunted by the Arabs to be sold as slaves. The ones that migrated to Brazil thousands of years ago, died massively contaminated with Europeans invaders disease "smallpox". The ones which survived smallpox contamination, were exterminated by Europeans colonizers, because they were living in the region which contained large reserves of minerals, such as gold, silver and diamonds. Today only few hundreds of them still alive living in isolation. They were also forced to interbreed with light skinned mongols also migrants to Brazil about 2 thousand years ago. Today they have a very dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes, and of course, after interbreed with mongoloids, they became vulnerable to many European diseases.

Many other migrations after the first from West Africa occurred in Brazil. African Homo Sapiens migrants do South Asia, also arrived in Brazil 22 thousands years ago. Many of those first Africans which arrived in Brazil first, were brutally attacked and killed by waves of light skinned Mongoloids from North East China, and Korea which arrived in Brazil in later dates. The only African survivors were the ones which interbreed with them, creating a new ethnic groups with dark skin, straight hair and mongoloid eyes. They have many different tribal names, and are living in diverse regions in Brazil. I am sure you heard about Lusia. She was member of an African South Asian, which arrive in Brazil 12 thousand years ago. Her people was also brutally attacked and killed by later arrival of light skinned mongoloids from North East of China.

Another very important West African migration to America - Central America, was during Assyrian invasion of Egypt. As they arrived in Central America, they joined the Mayans, already settled in Central America, particular in Vera Cruz - Mexico. From Vera Cruz,some Assyrians and Kushites migrated to Ecuador, small country in Central America, where they left many sculptures of themselves. Then, they settled in Bolivia, where they built the Akapana pyramid, the Temple of Kalasasaya in Tiawanaku. Today the people living in the region is called Aymara. They did not built the Temple nor the pyramid. They arrived after the city was abandoned by Assyrians and Kushites after a massive earthquake.

What are your sources?

The research indicates that Africans came to Brazil 100,000 years ago.

If you would see the New York Times video you would noted that Dr.Nieda Guidon supports her dating of human population in Brazil 100,000 years ago to ancient fire and tool making.
Look at the New York Times video: Human’s First Appearance in the Americas @:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/americas/discoveries-challenge-beliefs-on-humans-arrival-in-the-americas.html?hp&_r=4


If you view the video you will see that human occupation of Brazil 100,000 years ago is supported by man made fire, e.g., the charcoal, and tools.

Dr. Guidon who conducted excavation at the site notes at 2:09 the site is 100,000 years old. At 3:17 in the video scientists proved that the tools are the result of human craftsmanship . You reject this evidence because it proves that Blacks were here before the mongoloids.


But there is no archaeological (skeletal) evidence of Mongoloid people in the Americas until 6000 years ago. Moreover, Mongoloids did not achieve rule in China until 1000 BC. Up to 1000 BC, the major empires of China were ruled by Blacks.

I do not know about Assyrians in South America, but the Sumerians had a colony in South America called Kuga-ki here Sumerians mined valuable metals. The Sumerians left inscriptions from Ecuador to Antarctica.

You are right there were many African Empires in ancient America see my book:
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I am an Afrocentric researcher. I have never depended on Eurocentrists and brainwashed Blacks to support my work. I have been publishing my articles on the genetics of Blacks in peer reviewed journals since 2010.

The only researcher attacking my work has been Bernard Ortiz de Montellano. Bernardo has had numerous peer reviewed articles published in varied journals, but, he could only self-publish his attack on my work at Academia edu. If Bernardo would have written a proper article criticizing my work, it would have been published in a peer reviewed journal instead of at Academia edu.

I invite the jealous Brainwashed Blacks here to publish an article attacking my research publications listed below, in a peer reviewed journal.


There are many Brainwashed people on Egyptsearch today, that have never published a single research article in their life. But they attempt to attack my work, yet they can not show where the material in my research articles is invalid.

These Black people believe everything written by any white researcher as valid and reliable and attack my work because it is not sanctioned by the Academy.They represent the latest version of Blacks who attack Afrocentrism because they are too cowardly to do research.

Instead of attacking my work. Why don't these Brainwashed Blacks cite the research articles they have written on Afro-American Phylogeography.


My research articles provide archaeological and genetic data proving Blacks were in America before the Mongoloids. As a result, anyone who claims I am wrong, should find counter evidence that falsify my evidence. In science you test hypotheses, not non-verifiable statements.

I have written books and articles on Black Native America and the haplogroups they carry.

Winters,C. (2015). THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA,jirr.htm2015 Vol. 3 (3) July-September, pp.71-83/Winter. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2015). A PROTOCOL TO EVALUATE POPULATION GENETICS PAPERS. Available at Cibtech Journal of Bio-Protocols , 4 (1):1-7. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Bio-Protocols/PUBLICATIONS/2015/Vol-4-No-1/01-CJBP-001-WINTERS-PROTOCOL-PAPERS.pdf

Winters,C. (2015). AFRICAN ORIGIN OF NATIVE AMERICAN R1-M173. International Journal of Innovative Research and Review , 3 (1):21-29. http://www.cibtech.org/J-Innovative-Research-Review/Publications/2015/Vol-3-No-1/04-JIRR-004-CLYDE-AFRICAN.pdf

Winters, C. (2014). Were the First Europeans Pale or Dark Skinned? Advances in Anthropology, 4,124-132. http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/aa.2014.43016

_________HLA-B*35 IN MEXICAN AMERINDIANS AND AFRICAN , https://www.academia.edu/11789004/HLA-B_35_IN_MEXICAN_AMERINDIANS_AND_AFRICAN_POPULATIONS

___________Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA, http://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856

____________Who were the Mound Builders, https://www.academia.edu/11788622/WHO_WERE_THE_MOUND_BUILDERS_IN_THE_UNITED_STATES

______________African and Dravidian Origins of the Melenesians, https://www.academia.edu/10306654/AFRICAN_AND_DRAVIDIAN_ORIGINS_OF_THE_MELANESIANS

_______________. AFRICAN ORIGINS PALEOAMERICAN DNA . https://www.academia.edu/12231300/AFRICAN_ORIGINS_PALEOAMERICAN_DNA

________________. THE PALEOAMERICANS CAME FROM AFRICA. https://www.academia.edu/17137182/THE_PALEOAMERICANS_CAME_FROM_AFRICA

Winters,C. (2011). Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?. Cur Res J Bio Scien, 3(6): 555-558. Retrieved 3/16/2015 at : http://www.academia.edu/1898582/Is_Native_American_R_Y-Chromosome_of_African_Origin

Winters, C. (211a).POSSIBLE AFRICAN ORIGIN OF Y-CHROMOSOME R1-M173. https://www.academia.edu/1898548/Possible_African_Origin_of_Y-Chromosome_R1_-M173

Winters, C. (2010). The Kushite Spread of Haplogroup R1*-M173 from Africa to Eurasia. http://www.maxwellsci.com/print/crjbs/v2-294-299.pdf

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I debunked whole swathes of your bullshit Years ago
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"Topic: Is Native American R Y-Chromosome of African Origin?"

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On academia,edu

Academia.edu does not "publish" papers in the senses of providing peer review and/or making them available in a recognized venue with a history of publication on a topic. People can POST papers to Academia.edu, whether or not they have been published elsewhere. For a scholar, publication in a peer-review venue should be the first priority, and then making those published papers available for others (e.g., through Academia.edu) is the next priority. Most people avoid posting original research on the internet until they have had a chance to publish it in a recognized journal or book or internet venue.

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Our view of scientific publishing is that once you have finished writing a paper, you should post it immediately on the internet. Peer review should be done post-publication, and it should be done by the community, Reddit-style

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If you will notice all Clyde's links in his last post are on academia.edu

They allow you to post, and have a not yet instituted peer review afterwards

These papers Clyde posts on academia.edu would be able to make it into scientific journals that do a peer review first to see if the research methods meet scientific standards

For instance if you say "The Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" and have zero DNA testing indicating that your paper is not going to get published.

However if you said " We hypothesize the Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene" it would be acceptable

But Clyde won't revise his statement on the video because he's trying to trick people into thinking there are DNA testing results that show Fuegians and Khosians carry the M174 gene.

This is why Clyde Winters research cannot be trusted.

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