Not only can it not be denied that Ancient Egypt saw brotherly love with the Nubians.
Ancient Egyptians would rather link themselves to Nubians then to middle east people.
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Here is source from 641-645 AD (during the muslim invasion of Egypt) and it describes a firsthand account written by the invading muslim arabs.
They wrote that the Copts (Egyptians), Nubians, Israelites and Abyssinians (Ethiopians) were all indistinguishable from one another.
Copts are Egyptians who claim descent from the pharaohs, and the word "coptic" originally meant "ancient Egyptian".
If Egyptians and Israelites were indistinguishable from Nubians and Ethiopians, that obviously means all 4 races of these people had black skin and phenotypes resembling that of Nubians and Ethiopians (black africans).
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"A Short History of the Copts and of Their Church" by The Rev. S.C. Malan, M.A., page 72 (1873) D. Nutt
I realize that white people are fighting every source of information including there own ancient Historians to claim Ancient egypt as nonblack.
they put everything on DNA because they control the pseudo knowledge.
DNA does not go back to God, so its man made
They want to claim that dna is the be all end all when every source including Herodotus claims Ancient Egyptians as Black African.
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No problem fam. And yeah that is the exact reason why I do not go with that DNA stuff... it goes against what most of the historical records and evidence say
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not only does it Go against the historical records.
It pries into something called the dead and mutilates there body so white people can sleep easy at night stealing Ancient Egypt heritage
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Some ancient writers saw a difference between the skin tones of the Ethiopians and Egyptians
quote: As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.
Strabo: Geography Book 15 Chapter 13
quote: The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.
Arrian: Indica Book 6 Chapter 9
Manilius wrote about the Egyptians skin tone and called it medium
quote: The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone.
Manilius Astronomica Book 4
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Some ancient writers saw a difference between the skin tones of the Ethiopians and Egyptians
quote: As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians.
Strabo: Geography Book 15 Chapter 13
quote: The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically.
Arrian: Indica Book 6 Chapter 9
Manilius wrote about the Egyptians skin tone and called it medium
quote: The Ethiopians stain the world and depict a race of men steeped in darkness; less sun-burnt are the natives of India; the land of Egypt, flooded by the Nile, darkens bodies more mildly owing to the inundation of its fields: it it a country nearer to us and its moderate climate imparts a medium tone.
Manilius Astronomica Book 4
Ancient Writers, were talking about the color of Egyptians as Black skinned and connected to the Ethiopians.
quote: Herodotus, 'the father of history'
several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair
quote: Lucian, Greek writer,
The evidence of Lucian is as explicit as that of the two previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation.
Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): 'This boy is not merely black he has thick lips and his legs are too thin. ;
Timolaus: 'But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt , Lycinus. All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place.'31
quote: Apollodorus , first century before our era, Greek philosopher.
'Aegyptos conquered the country of the blackfooted ones and called it Egypt after himself .'32
quote:Achilles Tatius of Alexandria .
He compares the herdsmen of the Delta to the Ethiopians and explains that they are blackish, like half-castes.
quote:Diodorus of Sicily , , Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus.
According to Diodorus it was probably Ethiopia which colonized Egypt (in the Athenian sense of the term, signifying that, with overpopulation, a proportion of the people emigrate to new territory).
The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris . They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent. . . They add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws.36
It seems that you could not argue with the color simlialrity of the Egyptians to Nubians so you changed and claim that the ancient writers you posted know better then the Egyptians themselves.
I rather believe what the egyptians posted as similar, and not what some writer posted later on.
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So some writers say they Egyptians were not as black as Ethiopians, or medium in their complexion, or that Indians in the south are like the Ethiopians and that Indians in the North are like Egyptians.
Some others say Egyptians were black like Ethiopians.
It just shows that Egyptians did not all look the same, otherwise all writers would have described them in the same way.
Also many times Egyptians themselves depicted Ethiopians (Kushites) as darker then themselves. Just as they depicted Levantines as lighter than themselves.
From that comes that many Egyptians depicted themselves as medium between Levantines (and Greeks) and Nubians. Just as Manilius said when he considered them medium in color
So some had lighter skin, some had darker, some had broad features, some had thinner features. As expected in a country in Africa which borders to Asia and is located quite near Europe.
So in their art they are depicted with variation, not every Egyptian painting or statue look the same.
Still today if you would go to Egypt you would find that people vary in skin color and facial features. Also some have very curly hair, some have wavy hair and some have even straight hair.
Just take a look at this film where you see that many Egyptians still look like their ancestors. And many of them also do the same things as their ancestors.
Today very few scholars claim that the ancient Egyptians looked like North Europeans, but they were not as dark as people like the Dinkas either. Today there are still many people in Egypt who look very similar as the ancient ones, and genetically there seem also to be links.
And above all, modern Egyptians have musch stronger ties to Egypt than most African Americans Todays Egyptians live in the same land, they see the same things, many of them so the same things. Some still talk languages which are similar to the ancient Egyptians.
None of those things can be said about most African Americans whereof the majority have not even been to Egypt. Even most Hoteps, arm chair historians and amateur anthropologists on the net have never sat their foot there, still they claim some kind of expertise on ancient Egypt. Some even think they know more than people like Zahai Hawass about ancient Egypt.
In the end when it comes to knowledge about ancient Egypt one must go to experts who have been there, worked there, done research there.
So in the end, I have difficulties to take anyone seriously who has not been to Egypt or done research there. Most of the writings of the arm chair historians I see mostly as entertainment.
An illustration from the video above which show that at least some Egyptians today are rather like their ancestors. The modern farmer is from the rural areas outside of Cairo. So there are also people in Northern Egypt of today who looks like the ancient ones
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quote:The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris . They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent. . . They add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws.36
This is hearsay. "They say", "they claim". But Kushites actually did conquer Egypt and formed the 25th dynasty, which is well known.
quote:Timolaus: 'But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt , Lycinus. All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place.'31
A hairstyle does not say so much, more than that Egyptians had different hairstyles than the Greeks.
quote:Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): 'This boy is not merely black he has thick lips and his legs are too thin.
One can not tell the looks of all people in a whole country from one boy. If he looked like in the description it does not mean that all Egyptians looked like that boy.
quote:Herodotus, 'the father of history' several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair
One can also read:
quote: It is in doubt if Herodotus had ever been to Colchis or Egypt, and no Egyptian army ever set foot in the Caucasus, a region shielded by states to the south of the Caucasus too powerful for any Egyptian army to pass through, such as Urartu, Hittia, Assyria and Mitanni.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: So some writers say they Egyptians were not as black as Ethiopians, or medium in their complexion, or that Indians in the south are like the Ethiopians and that Indians in the North are like Egyptians.
Some others say Egyptians were black like Ethiopians.
It just shows that Egyptians did not all look the same, otherwise all writers would have described them in the same way.
Also many times Egyptians themselves depicted Ethiopians (Kushites) as darker then themselves. Just as they depicted Levantines as lighter than themselves.
From that comes that many Egyptians depicted themselves as medium between Levantines (and Greeks) and Nubians. Just as Manilius said when he considered them medium in color
So some had lighter skin, some had darker, some had broad features, some had thinner features. As expected in a country in Africa which borders to Asia and is located quite near Europe.
So in their art they are depicted with variation, not every Egyptian painting or statue look the same.
Still today if you would go to Egypt you would find that people vary in skin color and facial features. Also some have very curly hair, some have wavy hair and some have even straight hair.
Just take a look at this film where you see that many Egyptians still look like their ancestors. And many of them also do the same things as their ancestors.
Today very few scholars claim that the ancient Egyptians looked like North Europeans, but they were not as dark as people like the Dinkas either. Today there are still many people in Egypt who look very similar as the ancient ones, and genetically there seem also to be links.
And above all, modern Egyptians have musch stronger ties to Egypt than most African Americans Todays Egyptians live in the same land, they see the same things, many of them so the same things. Some still talk languages which are similar to the ancient Egyptians.
None of those things can be said about most African Americans whereof the majority have not even been to Egypt. Even most Hoteps, arm chair historians and amateur anthropologists on the net have never sat their foot there, still they claim some kind of expertise on ancient Egypt. Some even think they know more than people like Zahai Hawass about ancient Egypt.
In the end when it comes to knowledge about ancient Egypt one must go to experts who have been there, worked there, done research there.
So in the end, I have difficulties to take anyone seriously who has not been to Egypt or done research there. Most of the writings of the arm chair historians I see mostly as entertainment.
An illustration from the video above which show that at least some Egyptians today are rather like their ancestors. The modern farmer is from the rural areas outside of Cairo. So there are also people in Northern Egypt of today who looks like the ancient ones
In other words you only pick facts that agree with your ideology that the ancient Nile Valley populations weren't "black" like other Africans. Keep in mind you use one single image from the tomb of Menna and not the whole thing:
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You can find both lighter brown and darker brown people on ancient Egyptian paintings. To get a complete picture you would have to see nearly all ancient Egyptian art, preferably in person, and make some kind of statistical evaluation of how many pictures there are in each time period that show a certain skin color, certain facial features or other traits.
But what I have seen both online, in books and in person, is that Egyptian art can vary, in color and in other traits.
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what are you referring to when you say they posted something?
that picture is all there needs to be said about what color the Ancient Egyptians viewed themselves as.
When push came to shove, the Ancient Egyptians painted themselves as Black as other Nubians.
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what are you referring to when you say they posted something?
that picture is all there needs to be said about what color the Ancient Egyptians viewed themselves as.
When push came to shove, the Ancient Egyptians painted themselves as Black as other Nubians.
what about the paintings Doug just posted they are not as dark ?
All that is needed is one, and that is a Nubian and a Ancient Egyptian linked as one people.
When it came to the argument of skin color, the Ancient Egyptians turned to the Blackest skin color as there claim and the broadest face as there claim
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: how do we know you're not cherry picking?
Because no matter where you look or find pictures of Ancient Egypt, you will not find an Ancient Egyptian that looks like the middle east or a Face hieroglyph that looks like europeans or Asiatic
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^KING, look at this, Tutankhamun, this looks like it could be an African or Arab or East Indian, it could be any of them if you just based it on looks
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The Ancient Egyptians are not people who did not show that the people they linked with was the Nubians. They showed with the picture of the two Blackest skinned people that they were linked with The Nubians.
when you see this, you are supposed to find where there is pictures of Ancient Egyptians looking like asiatics or europeans. THERE IS NONE.
Then I showed you a face hieroglyph that looks Black African:
When I posted this, you are supposed to go and search and see if Hieroglyphs were made with narrow faces or etc. THERE IS NONE.
What you showed inside ramses 3 is not proof of related to europeans or asiatics. Theres different statues of Ramses and some of them look African Black to another statue looking narrow faced African:
Ramses 3 with broad nose
The narrow noses is possibly a defaced statue because the hieroglyph is only broad face.
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King, would you say the facial features of the painted versions are similar to the sculpture versions?
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King, would you say the facial features of the painted versions are similar to the sculpture versions?
I would say so, they are both Ancient Egyptians.
Yet the picture I have shown is The entire Ancient Egyptian family, showing themselves similar to nubians. THERE IS NO MIDDLE EAST PICTURES SIMILAR
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Nubian at left, Seti I at right
Nubian and Ancient Egyptian
So you're saying Seti I didn't look Egyptian?
I am saying that the Ancient Egyptians showed us that they would rather link with Nubians and be similar with the Nubians, then to think that they would look similar to the middle east or europeans
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quote:Originally posted by KING: I am saying that the Ancient Egyptians showed us that they would rather link with Nubians and be similar with the Nubians, then to think that they would look similar to the middle east or europeans
Is this a consensus among the majority of Egyptologists? In which peer reviewed article can I read more about it?
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quote:Originally posted by KING: I am saying that the Ancient Egyptians showed us that they would rather link with Nubians and be similar with the Nubians, then to think that they would look similar to the middle east or europeans
Is this a consensus among the majority of Egyptologists? In which peer reviewed article can I read more about it?
You can look at this picture because that is all that needs to be said about Ancient Egyptians and skin Color:
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quote:Originally posted by KING: You can look at this picture because that is all that needs to be said about Ancient Egyptians and skin Color:
Sorry but I prefer to go deeper and hear what the experts say in this matter.
quote:Herodotus, 'the father of history'
several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchidians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair
Experts have spoken.
Now who would you rather listen to, The experts or the Ancient Egyptians.:
Ancient Egyptian and Nubian twin
Ancient Egyptians have spoken.
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I still prefer peer reviewed articles based on a lot of different sources, both written, pictorial, and even DNA and similar, to get a more comprehensive and nuanced picture.
Do you think that you could take your claim about that picture and present it as an essay in an Egyptology class at a serious university?
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: I still prefer peer reviewed articles based on a lot of different sources, both written, pictorial, and even DNA and similar, to get a more comprehensive and nuanced picture.
Do you think that you could take your claim about that picture and present it as an essay in an Egyptology class at a serious university?
Whats there not to understand? The picture shows a Blackest Skinned Ancient Egyptian and a Blackest skinned Nubian. With the same clothes on also. Its like your fighting hard not to see it
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In Seti I:s tomb it seems more clear cut who is who, here Egyptians and Nubians are clearly discernible
So one can not go only after one tomb and declare it as representative for all Tombs, or for racial representations in Egypt. One must look at more tombs.
A watercolor of the painting
Depiction of the Egyptians in Seti I.s tomb
Depiction of a Nubian in Seti I:s tomb
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quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Seems to be different interpretations.
In Seti I:s tomb it seems more clear cut who is who, here Egyptians and Nubians are clearly discernible
So one can not go only after one tomb and declare it as representative for all Tombs, or for racial representations in Egypt. One must look at more tombs.
A watercolor of the painting
Depiction of the Egyptians in Seti I.s tomb
Depiction of a Nubian in Seti I:s tomb
It is representative because its ONLY seen as Nubian and Ancient Egypt, theres no European or asiatic with the same given effort to attach to nubians as family.
THERES NO PICTURES OF ASIATICS OR EUROPEANS GROUPED LIKE THAT.
And of course what makes all narrow faced sculptors questioned is the broad face picture of Face
What I mean is that they do not have the link with Ancient Egyptians
That speaks to all the pictures you would post
Makes it known that people inside Ancient Egypt had broad face, it makes the narrow face suspect.
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