It's funny because Eve suggested recently people should look to Kendrick Lamar for conscious lyrics now that Kanye is losing it.
These people are considered Afram leaders now? That's considered a valid set of options now? Either Kanye, Kendrick or J Cole.
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Well it’s gangsta rap that’s the problem don’t forget that rap at one time was positive and uplifting to blacks. Though I understand what he’s saying and agree 100%
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Celebrated jazz musician Wynton Marsalis condemns Hip-Hop and Rap as destructive of authentic black music--and implicitly the black self.
The rappers are the puppets--so who's pulling their strings?
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Black people should not use a word and tell others not to use it. Kendrick Lamar's "Black Panther" video was good. It featured SZA.
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Rap music is not Black culture. It is corporate America's idea of "black culture" which its promotes via its pimps, ie rap music stars and their producers to promote as "black culture". By the way some rap artistes were self-admitted pimps in that past, this shows the extent to which the image and psyche of blacks has been degraded, and its still being degraded.
Why urban black youth are too stupid to realize this and consider it "their culture" beats me. The problem with Wynton Marsalis is that he earns his income from the same music industry which promotes gangsta rap, so instead of coming out and stating plainly where the problem originates, he totally skirts the issue.
Black people have become so retarded that they glorify a culture which has the degradation of the own women at is core. They actually believe that they can uplift their community with a culture which has degrading their women at its core.
I mean people do this kind of crap as "their culture" and they express surprise when the rest of the world do not consider them to be normal human beings, and you have people like Oprah Winfrey coming to talk up this kind of crap.
It is no wonder David Carroll calls the condition of the Black american community a freak show.
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A lot of people here are clealry above their early 30s and have no clue about Hip Hop and worse Kendrick Lamar.
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Here are some picks from the Anaconda video.
Beats Speaker product placement 1
Beats Speaker Product Placement 2
Lewd Gesture
My eyes skimmed over the Beats product placement but once I noticed it. I knew it had to be a Beats speaker.
I guess being advertised in a bloodied skull says it all, probably the skull of one of the girls featured in NWA lyrics, probably with the suggestion that the speaker looks llike a dick in the mouth of a skull, apparently the skull of black child.
So you have people who present this as their culture, or allow corporate America bribe them to promote scenes like this as "our culture". They sideline and Black women altogether and present mixed-race women of African ancestry as sex objects, then they wonder why white people and white policemen see black people as some kind of repugnant species, some freaks who they shoot needlessly out of repugnance and fright.
You should see the comments of parents of other ethnicities when their children ask their opinion of the Anaconda video. When I see young Black women sporting Beats headphones, I really don't know what to tell them.
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While some stuff in hip hop should be toned down I don't see why people outside of what we consider cool should care,those folks have their weird take on how they express themselves and if there isn't any African person degrading them for it then why should I care.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: While some stuff in hip hop should be toned down I don't see why people outside of what we consider cool should care,those folks have their weird take on how they express themselves and if there isn't any African person degrading for it then why should I care.
Oh dear. It looks like another white liberal masquerading as black a person has been exposed.
First of all I am not part of your "We". I am a black person and I am most definitely not part of your "We".
No intelligent black person considers the moral degeneracy expressed in hiphop culture to be their culture. Given that your nickname is "Thereal" I have always suspected you, since no mature intelligent black person considers so called "street culture" as his culture. I suppose you are one of those who believe in "keeping it real", which seems to be a term used by black people from social environments with high levels of dysfunction who for some strange reason consider their life experience to be the "authentic black experience".
Since when did strip-club behaviour become a part of "black culture"?
Since when did such behaviour get to be considered "cool" by black culture?
A scantily attired black woman bending over and placing her finger along the crack of her arse is "African culture"? This is proof that the media industry is dominated by white satan worshiping liberals who prefer to use black people to express their degenerate mindset vicariously.
This video is targetted at all age groups and you have the nerve to pronounce this degenerate behaviour which degrades the image of black people as our culture, as what "we consider cool". I am sorry but I am not a part of your "We".
So I guess if you have young children you are happy for them to see product placement in which the advertised product is placed in the jaws of bloodied skulls as "their culture". I guess these are the kind of white liberal weirdos handing around Egyptsearch.
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The name was randomly chosen without much thought. I don't know what strip club behavior entails as they are a recent thing,scantily attire does exist in various cultures the catch being it wasn't sexualized sense certain regions are hot with gown type garments not being necessary so a loincloth can suffice. The problem with degeneracy is it only makes sense when group have a understanding of appropriate and inappropriate behavior so one group can do something they see as normal but a outsider may find weird. The sex in hip-hop can being toned down,the drug use should be eliminated though I don't have issues with weed.
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Is Egyptsearch riddled with those white tumblrtards who cannot handle reality and get their rocks of pretending to be transracial or transspecies?
Alright I will tell you upfront. I am over 30 and I have no clue about hiphop or Kendrick Lamar or any of the other contemporary artistes. And you are right, I can't quote offhand any song created by Drake or Kanye.
My only regret about hiphop is that I didn't listen to any of it and learn to actively oppose its propagation harder in the past years.
What I know today is the damage hiphop has done to the pysches of black women, especially young black women and still continues to do.
Hiphop culture may have damaged the ability of young black men and women to form good relationships and it may take a generation for that damage to repaired.
Let us take 3 well know young black female stars:
Rihanna Beyonce Nikki Minaj
These "stars" have very young female fans. Can any mature responsible women who view themselves as role models for young girls engage in the kind of antics you see in their videos and still believe themselves responsible adults whose conduct is exemplary for their young fans, without being psychically damaged?
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I've seen some of his stuff before but couldn't watch it because he seems like a person who can think but only half way,the point to tip me off is him bring up sexual stereotypes as if black woman created the stereotype.
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quote:Originally posted by Thereal: I've seen some of his stuff before but couldn't watch it because he seems like a person who can think but only half way,
Can't feed steak to babies. Public can't digest too much at once.
quote:Originally posted by A Habsburg Agenda: Rap music is not Black culture. It is corporate America's idea of "black culture" which its promotes via its pimps, ie rap music stars and their producers to promote as "black culture". By the way some rap artistes were self-admitted pimps in that past, this shows the extent to which the image and psyche of blacks has been degraded, and its still being degraded.
Why urban black youth are too stupid to realize this and consider it "their culture" beats me. The problem with Wynton Marsalis is that he earns his income from the same music industry which promotes gangsta rap, so instead of coming out and stating plainly where the problem originates, he totally skirts the issue.
Black people have become so retarded that they glorify a culture which has the degradation of the own women at is core. They actually believe that they can uplift their community with a culture which has degrading their women at its core.
I mean people do this kind of crap as "their culture" and they express surprise when the rest of the world do not consider them to be normal human beings, and you have people like Oprah Winfrey coming to talk up this kind of crap.
It is no wonder David Carroll calls the condition of the Black american community a freak show.
While I agree with the criticism of how corporate America is driving "rap culture", you have to be careful when making blanket declarations as to "the black community." The pernicious corporate influence, and the foul mouthed black enablers who have embraced it, has long been criticized by concerned citizens, activists, conscious rappers, churchgoers, pastors, ordinary folk etc.
What makes you think that the "rappers" above are "representative" of black America, which is over 30 million strong? They are no more "representative" of Black America than Confederate heritage zealots or boosters are "representative" of white people. And speaking of freak shows, white America has plenty of them around, from foul "rape rock" enthusiasts, to foul white gamers bashing women, including not only "the usual" rape threats but actually stalking their online targets in real life. ANd this is not a one-off- such abuse is becoming a routine problem among some whites.. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/25/yvette-cooper-leads-cross-party-campaign-against-online-abuse
ANd who says white culture is so respectful of its women? Hell powerful engines of white culture exploit its women in the most whorish ways- which is why it embraces said women as objects of pornography, and relentlessly pushes the saturation of white and non-white society with porn- both homosexual and non-homosexual.
"Role models" of culture at work..
Then there are those lovely white rape rockers that draw some support from various denizens of the "alt-right"..
^^Just to be clear- I am not saying any of the above "justifies" or excuses the garbage being served up, and eagerly consumed by many blacks..
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quote:Originally posted by A Habsburg Agenda: David Carroll sums it all up in his video commentary. Those who consider it to be "our culture" should listen to it.
Nicki Minaj - Anaconda and the Silence of The Negro Women
I have no problem with his basic spiel- but he needs to be more precise. A blanket statement like "you don;t hear anything from black women" on this is plain wrong. You do hear criticism, from traditionally minded black women to even black feminists. A more precisely worded critique would recognize this and show that such voices are not being heard clearly or loudly enough- that they are oft drowned out by media noise, or defensive diversions and justifications.
The "hip hop essay" below for example basically argues that misogynist lyrics by black rappers were "learned from the white man." QUOTE:
So its "really" the white man to blame after all. ANd once black people everywhere get around to "admitting" that "the white man is to blame", then finally, they can finally do something about cleaning up the garbage. Lovely piece of logic..
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Seems to me that the "alt-right" has a very low propaganda workload. Some Negroes are giving them all the negative ammunition they need, and in convenient video form too. Criminality! Thuggery! Drinking and drugging! Ignance! Served up daily sometimes hourly. It is an absolute propaganda gift that they keep on giving the enemies of black people.
And yet, very few of the artistes seem to have died from knife wounds..
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That list is immaterial, the alt right had these sentiments before gangsta rap that only reinforces their already negative outlook on black folks.
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I have to make it clear that I don't support David Carroll in everything he says, but he is making two very important points here.
quote:While I agree with the criticism of how corporate America is driving "rap culture", you have to be careful when making blanket declarations as to "the black community." The pernicious corporate influence, and the foul mouthed black enablers who have embraced it, has long been criticized by concerned citizens, activists, conscious rappers, churchgoers, pastors, ordinary folk etc.
Point 1.
What he is saying that the criticism is not coming from the right places.
Where is the opinion of women like Mrs Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg and Maxine Waters on stuff like this? You must understand that the video is really a coded message on how the most influential women are totally silent on this issue. Instead of waging a relentless war on this kind of crap, some of them actually seem to enjoy it, and even consider it worthy of praise.
Take this video clip for instance where a group of educated black women discuss some of the so called reality shows - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN9wwlT4Gvo . Note that none of them actually criticise any of the kind of stuff on these reality shows and somehow make excuses for it.
Point 2
quote: I have no problem with his basic spiel- but he needs to be more precise. A blanket statement like "you don;t hear anything from black women" on this is plain wrong. You do hear criticism, from traditionally minded black women to even black feminists. A more precisely worded critique would recognize this and show that such voices are not being heard clearly or loudly enough- that they are oft drowned out by media noise, or defensive diversions and justifications.
The "hip hop essay" below for example basically argues that misogynist lyrics by black rappers were "learned from the white man." QUOTE:
So its "really" the white man to blame after all. ANd once black people everywhere get around to "admitting" that "the white man is to blame", then finally, they can finally do something about cleaning up the garbage. Lovely piece of logic..
This is the other point he constantly makes. The Liberal attitude of always blaming everything on the White Man. Take the article above linked above, going on about the Beatles etc. Do you think any of the rappers got their inspiration from the Beatles and other 50s and 60s musicians?
You have a whole industry blaming all the woes in the black community on structural racism, white privilege, everything except black people's own attitudes. David Carroll's perspective on this seems to be - Deal with the log in your own eye first, before you deal with the splinter in others eyes - and this is something all those so many of the so called Black leaders ignore.
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Nonsense,there where efforts to change the circumstances of black folks but whites do not want that to happen. Richard Aoki a Asian FBI informant that was sent to undermine the black panther party and a black guy named darthard Perry who was doing the same thing,the assassination of Black political figures also contributes to the psyche of black people like MLK, Malcolm x, Fred Hampton who was killed by the cops with it stage to seem as if he caused his own death and medgar evers with the guy who killed him living most of his life as a free man also some black folks dispite getting into position of power are incapable of doing anything positive for black folks like mayor W Wilson Goode who caused the bombing of west Philly,James wormley Jones the first black FBI agent to contemporaries like sheriff clart or folks put on tv that don't understand black issues well enough like Larry Elder's and similar thinking people granted there are some black folks that put in the work but they are overshadowed by the incompetent ones.
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quote:Originally posted by A Habsburg Agenda: Rap music is not Black culture. It is corporate America's idea of "black culture" which its promotes via its pimps, ie rap music stars and their producers to promote as "black culture". By the way some rap artistes were self-admitted pimps in that past, this shows the extent to which the image and psyche of blacks has been degraded, and its still being degraded.
Why urban black youth are too stupid to realize this and consider it "their culture" beats me. The problem with Wynton Marsalis is that he earns his income from the same music industry which promotes gangsta rap, so instead of coming out and stating plainly where the problem originates, he totally skirts the issue.
Black people have become so retarded that they glorify a culture which has the degradation of the own women at is core. They actually believe that they can uplift their community with a culture which has degrading their women at its core.
I mean people do this kind of crap as "their culture" and they express surprise when the rest of the world do not consider them to be normal human beings, and you have people like Oprah Winfrey coming to talk up this kind of crap.
It is no wonder David Carroll calls the condition of the Black american community a freak show.
Rap music in origin is Black culture, after the golden era it became mainstream and corporate America saw ways to capitalize on it. However, conscious rap still stood in the way, so that they slowly replaced it. Starting with gangster rap and promoting that, and NWA was at the forefront of this. Thus we have what we have now. A downgraded form of rap music. You have to understand what powers are at the wheel to control the destination of the music and film industry.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Celebrated jazz musician Wynton Marsalis condemns Hip-Hop and Rap as destructive of authentic black music--and implicitly the black self.
The rappers are the puppets--so who's pulling their strings?
True, on average the rapper is not very intelligent. Especially today’s rappers.
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Interesting but not entirely what people want. I get folks want variety,a reduction on stuff deemed vulgar and eliminating stuff that leads to habits but I feel that if there was black entertainment guild to ensure a minimal standard that some folks would still have issues and I mean just with in the black population before any outside group gave their opinion.
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