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"The greatest Empires and the people who shaped them"
Bruh...wtf did Cleopatra do or Empire did she "shape"
She presided over a dying/Dead kingdom(She never ruled an Empire) opnened her legs to two Romans, and lost against the one who had no interest in her.
This Doc is just hoping to get views from all the whining, pearl clutching crocodile Tear crying folks who were so upset by a black cleo..
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LMAO! This is probably a response to that recent Cleopatra doc. But I agree Cleopatra wasn't even important to be receiving all these damn docs.
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quote: As well documented history attests, she was the descendant of a Macedonian Greek general who was a contemporary of Alexander the Great. Her first language was Greek
quote:Originally posted by Kimbles: ^ She is a white woman, they aren't going to care.
wait until it comes out, you don't know what they'll do. Archeopteryx says the role should be played by a Greek
this is an outrage !!!
Archeopteryx is one person. We've seen Cleopatra portrayed plenty of times by white women with no outrage. This will be the same.
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We've seen Cleopatra portrayed plenty of times by white women with no outrage. This will be the same.
This is a different moment in time They were saying Cleopatra was white but sometimes they would also argue she was also Greek
and people on the other side who thought the backlash against Adele James, Kevin Hart and the Kemet exhibit was too harsh, they might say "you are hypocrites, this new actress is not Greek and you aren't complaining" So those certain Egyptian nationalist types may react to that or anticipate that some people might call them hypocrites. So it's possible some of them might complain about this new actress (at least at slap on the wrist level) to resist an accusation of hypocrisy.
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Here is an article about the eventually upcomimg Cleopatra movie with Gal Gadot. Will it ever be realized?
quote: The Gal Gadot Cleopatra movie is taking a long time to develop because the filmmakers want to represent Cleopatra's story respectfully.
The film has faced controversy over the casting of Gal Gadot and accusations of white-washing, but Gadot defends her casting and emphasizes the historical accuracy of Cleopatra's ethnicity as Macedonian.
The upcoming movie plans to focus not only on Cleopatra's appeal but also on her strategic capabilities and the impact she had on the world, aiming to tell a story that is relevant to today's world.
quote: There's no question that Gal Gadot Cleopatra movie news has been met with controversy, namely, for whitewashing its main character. However, as similar controversy around the miniseries Queen Cleopatra and its Black lead (Adele James), the issue of race and adaptations of Cleopatra is not a simple one. Many were hoping that an Egyptian actress would take on the role of the Egyptian queen, however, Cleopatra's own ancestry wasn't Egyptian. Historically speaking, Cleopatra was a Greek woman of Macedonian ancestry, coming from a long line of Ptolemy rulers, with her reign preceding the Arab invasion of the region. There are rumors that her mother was of African ancestry, but this remains unknown. Because of this, a Black Cleopatra received backlash for erasure of the Greek Queen's own race
While it's no secret that Hollywood has been guilty of whitewashing various characters for years, the Gal Gadot Cleopatra movie news that declares the film has been whitewashed perpetuates a harmful misunderstanding about Gadot's own background, as she's an Israeli actress of Ashkenazi Jew ancestry. Gadot has spoken out about the Cleopatra whitewashing controversy to BBC Arabic (via The Independent), saying, "First of all, if you want to be true to the facts then Cleopatra was Macedonian. We were looking for a Macedonian actress that could fit Cleopatra. She wasn’t there, and I was very passionate about Cleopatra."
quote:Gal Gadot's Cleopatra Movie: Controversy, Changes To History & Everything We Know KATY RATH Sreenrant UPDATED 21 HOURS AGO
The film has faced controversy over the casting of Gal Gadot and accusations of white-washing, but Gadot defends her casting and emphasizes the historical accuracy of Cleopatra's ethnicity as Macedonian.
The famed ancient Egyptian queen has been depicted on the screen many times before but was most famously portrayed (and whitewashed) by actress Elizabeth Taylor in the eponymous 1963 historical epic.
I find this to be a poorly written article.
Where are the examples of something published in media somewhere accusing Gal Gadot of white-washing? Maybe there are some but where are the quotes, something saying this yet not afrocentric
Then Rath goes on to say but
quote: "but Gadot defends her casting and emphasizes the historical accuracy of Cleopatra's ethnicity as Macedonian."
Rath has switched from whiteness to a nationality, Macedonian and not clarified if she thinks Macedonians were white or not
This is what I have been talking about in another thread how people switch categorization and don't clarify where they are coming from
Rath goes on:
quote: "The famed ancient Egyptian queen has been depicted on the screen many times before but was most famously portrayed (and whitewashed) by actress Elizabeth Taylor in the eponymous 1963 historical epic. "
So is this Rath's clarification? That she believes that Cleopatra was not white? Well then what was she in Rath's view?
Rath:
quote: "Many were hoping that an Egyptian actress would take on the role of the Egyptian queen, however, Cleopatra's own ancestry wasn't Egyptian. Historically speaking, Cleopatra was a Greek woman of Macedonian ancestry, coming from a long line of Ptolemy rulers, with her reign preceding the Arab invasion of the region. There are rumors that her mother was of African ancestry, but this remains unknown."
Look at the confusion in this article. You can't tell what the author precisely thinks and she is probably confused about it herself. She says Gadot was defending the idea of Cleopatra being white by saying she was Macedonian Rath never questions that. and she never says something like "but we cannot assume the Macedonian were white"
Well maybe Rath thinks the Macedonians were in fact white
but how could that be if Rath says Elizabeth Taylor was a a "white wash" ??
we are left guessing what Rath thinks about who the Macesdonians were.
Rath:
quote: There's no question that Gal Gadot Cleopatra movie news has been met with controversy, namely, for whitewashing its main character. However, as similar controversy around the miniseries Queen Cleopatra and its Black lead (Adele James), the issue of race and adaptations of Cleopatra is not a simple one. Many were hoping that an Egyptian actress would take on the role of the Egyptian queen, however, Cleopatra's own ancestry wasn't Egyptian. Historically speaking, Cleopatra was a Greek woman of Macedonian ancestry
^ look at this, at the link, where that bold type is is a link to another Screenrant article:
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Cleopatra: Gal Gadot Whitewashing Controversy Explained BY DAVID MILLER Sreenrant PUBLISHED APR 2, 2022 The upcoming Cleopatra biopic will star Gal Gadot, whose casting caused controversy and accusations of "whitewashing," which is harmfully erroneous
The casting of Gal Gadot as Cleopatra in the upcoming movie caused controversy once it was announced, with many feeling it’s the latest example of the film industry’s whitewashing problem and that a Middle Eastern actress would be a more suitable choice for the role of the Egyptian Queen. Historically, however, Cleopatra was a Greek woman of white Macedonian ancestry (as were all the Ptolemy rulers) whose reign preceded the Arab invasions of Egypt.
So Katy Rath is referring us to this article in her same publication. It says the Macedonians were white
Yet Rath said:
quote: The famed ancient Egyptian queen has been depicted on the screen many times before but was most famously portrayed (and whitewashed) by actress Elizabeth Taylor in the eponymous 1963 historical epic.
You can't have it both ways, it doesn't make sense. Either the Macedonians were white so Elizabeth Taylor being white doesn't contradict that or the Macedonians were not white but that would have to be stated and a position taken -but this article is lacking that fundamental clarity
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quote:Originally posted by Kimbles: ^ She is a white woman, they aren't going to care.
wait until it comes out, you don't know what they'll do. Archeopteryx says the role should be played by a Greek
this is an outrage !!!
Going by the Roman depictions of Cleopatra, this Greek actress would be a pretty good choice for playing Cleo since she also has a prominent nose and a "Hellenistic" look.
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thanks but those pictures are huge it would be better if they were all the size of the lowest
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