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Cyreenah
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Hello all, I'm a new member here. This looks like a really nice forum.. glad I joined. I'm curious to get more of a personal/inside view on this subject. One person of particular interest is Nabawya Moussa but either my researching skills are abysmal or there is not a lot out there about her? Any other really key figures I need to know about? What are some turning points/movements? I'm interested in historical pioneers of women's education and some more contemporary feelings. Are there any good authors whose work I should read? I can't find very much (probably because it's a broad topic), any help is immensely appreciated. Thanks!
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This sounds like one for you Monica

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lol... akshar!!!

Here is a good link related to famous Egyptian women, and their achievements for starters.. http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2000/484/chrncls.htm
In terms of Egyptian authors and their works/translated in Egypt:

Naguib Mahfouz
is the winner of the Nobel price of arabic litterature (in the 80's) you should not miss his works describing Egypt's middle class of the 40's, 50's 60's as well his political side regarding the 70's etc.......

You can make a search with his name, and you'll get plenty of book titles, at amazon.com, including a synopsis.

Also:
You can read the works of Dr. Taha Hussein, you will be amazed at his progressive mind and philosophy.

Ahdaf Sueif
Egyptian writer, her books are written in English with the typical Egyptian 'style' but the non-typical Egyptian story lines/behaviour...more controversial than classic...worth reading, more upper class situations!

About Nabaweya Moussa, Hoda Sha'arawy and the likes, here is a link for you:
http://www.awc.org.jo/english/egypt/egypt_landmarks.html

Dr. Nawal Al Saadawy, a modern day representative of the lower middle class, is also a very controversial author. She has been to prison for her aggressive and absolutely controversial ideas. You can check her works through a search on your favourite engine, by typing her name. [Check out 'Woman at point zero'] She is recognized as 'weird'.


Enjoy!

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This sounds like one for you Monica


[This message has been edited by Monica (edited 23 April 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by Monica:
lol... akshar!!!

Here is a good link related to famous Egyptian women, and their achievements for starters.. http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2000/484/chrncls.htm
In terms of Egyptian authors and their works/translated in Egypt:

Naguib Mahfouz
is the winner of the Nobel price of arabic litterature (in the 80's) you should not miss his works describing Egypt's middle class of the 40's, 50's 60's as well his political side regarding the 70's etc.......

You can make a search with his name, and you'll get plenty of book titles, at amazon.com, including a synopsis.

Also:
You can read the works of Dr. Taha Hussein, you will be amazed at his progressive mind and philosophy.

Ahdaf Sueif
Egyptian writer, her books are written in English with the typical Egyptian 'style' but the non-typical Egyptian story lines/behaviour...more controversial than classic...worth reading, more upper class situations!

About Nabaweya Moussa, Hoda Sha'arawy and the likes, here is a link for you:
http://www.awc.org.jo/english/egypt/egypt_landmarks.html

Dr. Nawal Al Saadawy, a modern day representative of the lower middle class, is also a very controversial author. She has been to prison for her aggressive and absolutely controversial ideas. You can check her works through a search on your favourite engine, by typing her name. [Check out 'Woman at point zero']


Enjoy!

[This message has been edited by Monica (edited 23 April 2004).]


I would also recommend Lelia Ahmed for her interesting books, Border of passage and Women and Gender in Islam

There is Also Farah Ganaam and Lotfyia Al Zayat. There is another one but can not recall the name now, Dam it I am aging

Cheers


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quote:
Originally posted by Monica:

Dr. Nawal Al Saadawy, a modern day representative of the lower middle class, is also a very controversial author. She has been to prison for her aggressive and absolutely controversial ideas. You can check her works through a search on your favourite engine, by typing her name.


www.nawalsaadawi.net I never really liked the woman. I have read her Bio a few months ago. She bluntly insists on being a heroine.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mooly El Din:
Dam it I am aging

Cheers



Mooly.. there are 3 things I keep forgetting; names, faces and can't remember the 3rd one

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[This message has been edited by katrina (edited 28 May 2004).]


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quote:
Originally posted by jaguar:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mooly El Din:
[b] Dam it I am aging

Cheers



Mooly.. there are 3 things I keep forgetting; names, faces and can't remember the 3rd one[/B][/QUOTE]


Same here I am forgetting my flight


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I am a big fan of Nawal-al-Sadaawi. Seems she is a heroin to western women and to much for Egyptians. Must be a cultural thing or some sort of nationalistic thing, or the way she is presenting herself that is not received well in Egypt and is aproved off in the west. I am not sure what women in Egypt would approve of her quest against ignorance and barbaric events concerning women.
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Hi demiana,

I met Nawal El Saadawy two years ago, when she was giving a lecture to 250 Arabic/Egyptian/canadian women.

I was disappointed because I felt her distant and impersonal while giving her lecture, as opposed to her passionate aggressive works, exposing injustice and barbaric crimes against women.

I felt she was not being as convincing as her writings, and asked her why this colder attitude and her answer was, and I'm not joking:

fein el sahhafah? mesh ma3aool kidah!
Not enough Press here!!!!!!

Nevertheless, some of her works are worth reading for sure....

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I am a big fan of Nawal-al-Sadaawi. Seems she is a heroin to western women and to much for Egyptians. Must be a cultural thing or some sort of nationalistic thing, or the way she is presenting herself that is not received well in Egypt and is aproved off in the west. I am not sure what women in Egypt would approve of her quest against ignorance and barbaric events concerning women.


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Monica is correct,

nawal el saadawy is so insistent on impressing certain feminist circles in US/Europe that she has completely lost touch with her own enviroment. She also tends to be very aggressive and even impolite when interviewed by Egyptian/arabic media and displays an arrogant attitude towards other Egyptians. I do not think there is a single Egyptian (man or woman) who thinks nawal el sadawy is a "representative of the lower middle class"

btw, I met Ahdaf Sueif before: very respectable and down to earth lady: the complete opposite of nawal el sadawy .


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Maybe those links are useful: http://www.hf.uib.no/smi/pao/kofoed.html http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/meria/journal/2001/issue1/jv5n1a6.html

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quote:
Originally posted by Monica:
Hi demiana,

I met Nawal El Saadawy two years ago, when she was giving a lecture to 250 Arabic/Egyptian/canadian women.

I was disappointed because I felt her distant and impersonal while giving her lecture, as opposed to her passionate aggressive works, exposing injustice and barbaric crimes against women.

I felt she was not being as convincing as her writings, and asked her why this colder attitude and her answer was, and I'm not joking:

fein el sahhafah? mesh ma3aool kidah!
Not enough Press here!!!!!!

Nevertheless, some of her works are worth reading for sure....


I have to agree with both Monica and Ayman, I have met , talked and even worked with her, and I am not a fan neither. She is very competitive, the word collaboration is not in her dictionary, and , in my opinion, can not play a practical role in building the feminist movement in Egypt, due to her poor communication and interpersonal skills. She does not represent a figure, symbol, or a role model even among Egyptian Feminists. However, her writings were pioneer at that time, and some of her presented ideas and debates worth reading.

Cheers



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