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Originally posted by gigli:
Im not so sure about the blatant provocative sms and photos they send him plus they make it pretty obvious they want him. In a not so nice way. Ive never come across this!!

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Originally posted by nevermind:
When you feel so low and little the only solace you have is trying to make someone else feel even lower.

But honestly, why a great nation like Egyptians should have such problems with appreciating themselves.. I do not have clue what the reason(s) might be.

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Originally posted by gigli:
Im absolutely furious at some of the simple-minded comments that has been made in regards to foreign women. Firstly not all foreigners are from the same country with the same culture. No i was not raised Muslim. But hey guess what. I was raised God fearing, self respecting and important I have respect for other people. I find Egyptians are very much more interested in other peoples mistakes than their own. Of course I am not generalizing here but people wake up, look at your own faults first before you judge others. All of us are sinners before God. Its for him to judge, not for people. As regards to Egyptian girls?! Not all are as respecting as they seem so maybe foreign judging girls have a look at your own back yard first.Ive been with my fiance for almost two years now. Im not a jealous person in the least and trust him with my life. I have however noticed that some, so called classy Egyptian girls have little respect for other peoples relationships or feelings. Is this because Im not Egyptian? Ive been harassed, my email hacked, my phone number gotten somehow, horrible emails sent to my friends, sneaky things to make me look guilty, other girls have met me chatted with me then proceeded to hunt my fiance in the most disrespectful way. I find it insulting. My fiance worked in the tourist industry and met many foreign girls who liked him a lot, but knowing he's enganged, proceeded to be only friends in a very respectful way. In my country girls might be less religious in general, but we have respect for relationships and other people's feelings. Further when I walk with him in the street, Im always dressed respectfully and behave myself as is fitted to Egyptian moral society, but find that girls stare at him in a sleazy, sexual manner and then give me dirty looks!!! What is this? So Masriya Girls if any of you are nice relationship respecting girls, I would really like ot hear from you and your opinion in regards to these girls.

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Originally posted by scarlet water:
am also foreigner,and face the same problems,at first i was really angry and upset.even once one of masreya girl said that my skin is "tooo white,like dead ppl" and i dont deserve my bf,he is too sweet for me am not the one who likes to insult ppl,am intelligent enuf,but excuse me,so why if am soo damn white guys r going crazy ab that point and never,i swear,never noone of my friend among guys have told me that i have any problems with skin,and another thing is if its not nice then why u egyptian girls r trying to do everything to make ur skin white,ha?
the problem is not about skin actually,this is only one point between millions.long time ago i heard ab arab girls that they r very jealous and envious,and am convinecd ab it myself now!ur problem is that u cant accept someone's beauty,but this is wrong.be smarter,respect others and u will get the same back!

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Originally posted by scarlet water:
am also foreigner,and face the same problems,at first i was really angry and upset.even once one of masreya girl said that my skin is "tooo white,like dead ppl" and i dont deserve my bf,he is too sweet for me am not the one who likes to insult ppl,am intelligent enuf,but excuse me,so why if am soo damn white guys r going crazy ab that point and never,i swear,never noone of my friend among guys have told me that i have any problems with skin,and another thing is if its not nice then why u egyptian girls r trying to do everything to make ur skin white,ha?
the problem is not about skin actually,this is only one point between millions.long time ago i heard ab arab girls that they r very jealous and envious,and am convinecd ab it myself now!ur problem is that u cant accept someone's beauty,but this is wrong.be smarter,respect others and u will get the same back!

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Originally posted by 7aya:
i'm sorry scarlet but you are a liar. egyptians are obsessed with white skin, its a symbol of beauty for most of us. even though the westners go crazy about the tan, egyptians think the whiter the better.
so you're a liar, liar, liar

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am not lier at all,maybe u missed my point.am sure that egyptians r obsessed with white skin,but unfortunately they r soo jealous and envious about someone's advantages that they cant admit them.
think b4 calling someone a "lier".

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Originally posted by scarlet water:
am not lier at all,maybe u missed my point.am sure that egyptians r obsessed with white skin,but unfortunately they r soo jealous and envious about someone's advantages that they cant admit them.
think b4 calling someone a "lier".

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you're right i'm not going to call you a liar, but i'm going to call you hateful!! there might be some egyptian women who were jealous of you, but that doesnt mean that all of them are. besides that are many foreign women who are jealous of egyptian women, and of each other. this is human nature.its very rude to call all egyptian women "soooo jealous and envious". maybe YOU should think before you speak.

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Originally posted by 7aya:
you're right i'm not going to call you a liar, but i'm going to call you hateful!! there might be some egyptian women who were jealous of you, but that doesnt mean that all of them are. besides that are many foreign women who are jealous of egyptian women, and of each other. this is human nature.its very rude to call all egyptian women "soooo jealous and envious". maybe YOU should think before you speak.

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Originally posted by scarlet water:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 7aya:
[b] you're right i'm not going to call you a liar, but i'm going to call you hateful!! there might be some egyptian women who were jealous of you, but that doesnt mean that all of them are. besides that are many foreign women who are jealous of egyptian women, and of each other. this is human nature.its very rude to call all egyptian women "soooo jealous and envious". maybe YOU should think before you speak.

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its not most of them even. and don't you show off with your egyptian friends. as if that makes up for your rude comment. kind and peacful people do not go around insulting people. and yes i am agressive because i am sick and tired of people judging my country and people.

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Originally posted by smiley:
on the height of the heels they wear? maybe?

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Originally posted by smiley:
on the height of the heels they wear? maybe?

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wont be very helpful to a man ?

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Originally posted by Troubles101:
wont be very helpful to a man ?

I'm really curious I see people Egyptians and non Egyptians useing those words but never succeeded in knowing the standard by which those terms are applied. Is it the financial status or where you live or education or behaviour or all of that? but hwo can people get to know all that when they speak generally? ummm Can anyone help me classifying the poor specie me

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for me the poor ones its the ones who lack the ability to live..

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Originally posted by gigli:
Sadly.
But what would you reckon defines class?

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Do you mean like "class" of people?
middle class? low class? and upper class?
I never belived in that.
I know that some ppl still divide ppl in classes. but to be honest with you that is ridiculous. what defines an upper class? Money? Honor? Reputation? Or Honesty? good heart? and loyalty?

I belive that so called classes doesnt exist, it was invented only for the need of belonging somewhere, specially in the old days when there were tribe wars, imperialism and nationality. Everybody seek for a group to belong to either it is a social group or a member club as f.ex the football clubs over in Egypt.

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Originally posted by Serendipity:
Do you mean like "class" of people?
middle class? low class? and upper class?
I never belived in that.
I know that some ppl still divide ppl in classes. but to be honest with you that is ridiculous. what defines an upper class? Money? Honor? Reputation? Or Honesty? good heart? and loyalty?

I belive that so called classes doesnt exist, it was invented only for the need of belonging somewhere, specially in the old days when there were tribe wars, imperialism and nationality. Everybody seek for a group to belong to either it is a social group or a member club as f.ex the football clubs over in Egypt.

i still hope i understood your question right and answered it

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Yup!

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Originally posted by Troubles101:
I wonder how forigners define "low class" and "High class" and even how Egyptians do...

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I find 90% of the time the way a person speaks will define what class they are from. I am not prejudice between classes but have to admit to very quickly pigeon holeing people within seconds of them speaking.
I can only do it within my own country of course.

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Originally posted by Penny:
I find 90% of the time the way a person speaks will define what class they are from. I am not prejudice between classes but have to admit to very quickly pigeon holeing people within seconds of them speaking.
I can only do it within my own country of course.

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The way they speak? is it about manners or accent?
I'm trying to understand the characters of a low class person and high class be it by Egyptian standard or western (british in your case)

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Originally posted by gigli:
Yup!

BUT...I see class as defined by manners and behaviour,so would low class then not just be a term applied to someone who behaves in an innapropriate way, showing little respect or self-respect?

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This is a nice decent and good way to define things but I'm trying to be realisitic by understanding how those terms are truly applied. It's very common in Egypt to hear something like "Most Egyptians are middle to low class" that usually speak of financial status when used by government or in newspapers but when those same terms are used by people they seem to include other things with the financial status , like connections, kind of job, ancestors, people you mingle with, clubs you attend even your accent and words

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Originally posted by Penny:
I find 90% of the time the way a person speaks will define what class they are from. I am not prejudice between classes but have to admit to very quickly pigeon holeing people within seconds of them speaking.
I can only do it within my own country of course.

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I don't define class by how a person speaks, because if they are from the Southern States their speech is different from the Northern states and that creates loads of resentment.

No I define class by manners, consideration of others, by how open-minded they are, and their ethics.

Then you have the old standy of dress code, body language, cars they drive and people they know.

Sometimes you must take both the personality and superficial context into consideration.

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Originally posted by Troubles101:
The way they speak? is it about manners or accent?
I'm trying to understand the characters of a low class person and high class be it by Egyptian standard or western (british in your case)

In Egypt, before the revolution classes were much clear than now. High class were the richest, had titles, special villas or palaces, the way they dress (western like)was different from common people and they married between themselves. Then after revolution some of the common people became very rich and some of the high class lost their wealth and then some kind of mixed marriages happned. The rich low class trying to gain connection and status by such marriage while the high class trying to keep the life style they used to have by relying on the money of the low class person and this happned between low and middle and middle with hight. SO, RIGHT NOW it looks confusing and I don't know when an Egyptian here mention the word "low class" what exactly they mean but usually it's used to refer to people who don't live in areas like Maadi and zamalek yet those areas have many people who are seen as low class in the way they speak because accent matters as well. having an accent different from that of Alex or Cairo might get in the low class area no matter your education or wealth, the way you dressm matters the more westerner you get the more credits and so on...Still not clear

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Still manners are everything, and often tourist don't understand a lick about 'Egyptian manners'.

Take for instance my experience: I could not say hello back to 'males' of any age, I cannot wave or smile to people I don't know.

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man

50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

50,000 riyals if a Christian man

25,000 riyals if a Christian woman

6,666 riyals if a Hindu man

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
That is, a Muslim man's life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
The Wall Street Journal: In Saudi Arabia, there is the concept of blood money. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows:

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man

50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

50,000 riyals if a Christian man

25,000 riyals if a Christian woman

6,666 riyals if a Hindu man

3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
That is, a Muslim man's life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman

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Originally posted by kafir4ever:
The Wall Street Journal: In Saudi Arabia, there is the concept of blood money. If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation, as follows:

100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man

50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman

50,000 riyals if a Christian man

25,000 riyals if a Christian woman

6,666 riyals if a Hindu man

3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
That is, a Muslim man's life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman

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Now Darling, did the KSA wahabist clerics get this idea from the Quran or elsewhere?

Sura #282
"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty." http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/rel/islam/Quran/2.html

This means
1.If a slave is killed by a free man, then the innocent slave of the killer free man has to be killed (who is not the killer)
2.If a female is killed by a male, then a female (probably owned by the killer male) has to be killed

Is there any way an apologist can defend this as the word of God? http://www.answering-christianity.com/laws_of_murder.htm

He did needed to specify a slave for a slave, a freeman for a freeman and a female for a female. He did not just say kill the one who kills another human being, because equality was a concept alien to Muhammad.