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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
The discussion on the other thread made me wonder about the different experiences we must have had with our Egyptian degrees.

For Egyptian expats with a career, please share how you've managed to get your degree recognized abroad.

(Sono, hands off of this thread or else!)

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Originally posted by Egyptian Mafia:
My dad graduated from Ain Shams Engineering...Purdue University in the US accepted his degree and they told him that almost all US universities only accept Ain Shams Engineering degree! and the rest will either be not accepted or will have to do numerous testing!

so He did Masters and PhD with Purdue!

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Originally posted by Timo:
Pharmacy and (most) Medicine degrees need equivelncy tests in England,USA,Canada ...u have to pass tests on 2 year period in USA as an example to be able to work there

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Originally posted by Egyptian Mafia:
oh...if you talking about employee...well my dad is working with GM Canada. and his position is...

Senior Product Planner Engineer...and he is the person in charge of Chevy Impala, Buick Allure, Pontiac Grand Prix.

He was also a Brand Quality Manager.

He was also Area Service Manager (Check on Dealerships),

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Originally posted by Timo:
hey Koshari ...i heard that Dentists and Physical therapists dnt need equivelncy tests like Pharmacists in the states nor Canada bec they need big nomber of them there ...is it true ??

SoNO ...if i do masters in the states ...do i still have to do this equivelcny tests no matter what to work there ?? even if i did an MD or PHD ?

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hey Koshari ...i heard that Dentists and Physical therapists dnt need equivelncy tests like Pharmacists in the states nor Canada bec they need big nomber of them there ...is it true ??

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Don't know for sure Timo-Maganes.. But what I know is that she did some board-like exams then immediately got a job in a dental practice as a dentist for a couple of years in order to get a Green Card, then she got a license to start her own practice.

(P.s.: No internet-love sshit. She did it all on her own Sono )

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hey Koshari ...i heard that Dentists and Physical therapists dnt need equivelncy tests like Pharmacists in the states nor Canada bec they need big nomber of them there ...is it true ??

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Don't know for sure Timo-Maganes.. But what I know is that she did some board-like exams then immediately got a job in a dental practice as a dentist for a couple of years in order to get a Green Card, then she got a license to start her own practice.

(P.s.: No internet-love sshit. She did it all on her own Sono )

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Originally posted by Egyptian Mafia:
oh...if you talking about employee...well my dad is working with GM Canada. and his position is...

Senior Product Planner Engineer...and he is the person in charge of Chevy Impala, Buick Allure, Pontiac Grand Prix.

He was also a Brand Quality Manager.

He was also Area Service Manager (Check on Dealerships),

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Originally posted by Egyptian Mafia:
My dad worked for GM since he graduated...so he got promoted....and his Masters and PhD helped too....but when he first got hired on by GM...he was hired on by his Ain Shams Bsc degree and he was a Technical Consultant when he was first hired on way back then.....but after numerous years with them and a lot of experience...he became what he is now!

and for his co-workers...They all have either Masters from a Canadian University or PhD from a Canadian University....but THEY TOO DID HAVE AIN SHAMS DEGREE!!!!

To sum it up.....you can have an Ain Shams degree and get hired on to my dads current position! NO WAY!

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Her employer then vouched that she has the skils to take the board certification.

She also worked under a "employer sponsored visa"

Completely different than just walking into the country on a work visa or a diversity visa, or a lottery visa and having to find her own connections.

Unless her employer vouched for her she wouldn't have been able to sit for the licensing exam.

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Her employer then vouched that she has the skils to take the board certification.

She also worked under a "employer sponsored visa"

Completely different than just walking into the country on a work visa or a diversity visa, or a lottery visa and having to find her own connections.

Unless her employer vouched for her she wouldn't have been able to sit for the licensing exam.

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Read my post again ya Sono. She got her license BEFORE she had any work experience in the US.

Getting a license to start your own practice is a whole different thing. Even American dentists should do what she did.. First have experience then start a practice.

You're jealous ya Sono.

Becasue many Egyptians can become better than Abu-Shoarma Ma7roo2a you're married to.

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Originally posted by Sonomod_me:

Her employer then vouched that she has the skils to take the board certification.

She also worked under a "employer sponsored visa"

Completely different than just walking into the country on a work visa or a diversity visa, or a lottery visa and having to find her own connections.

Unless her employer vouched for her she wouldn't have been able to sit for the licensing exam.

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Read my post again ya Sono. She got her license BEFORE she had any work experience in the US.

Getting a license to start your own practice is a whole different thing. Even American dentists should do what she did.. First have experience then start a practice.

You're jealous ya Sono.

Becasue many Egyptians can become better than Abu-Shoarma Ma7roo2a you're married to.

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When my dad worked in Kuwait...also for GM! and the Gulf War started...When he came to Egypt....GM called him and told him to not apply to any job or anything and that his salary is still going...and He should rest and take it easy and after 4 month he should get ready to go to Saudi! and so we all did go to Saudi after 4 month...and that was way back then in 90-91! but back then he only had Ain Shams Engieering Degree!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder what they would have done if my dad had PhD then! lol

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Why are you so bothered if degrees are accepted outside or not....who cares....whoever needs to get his degree accepted is his thing....its not a big deal...and you make it seem it is!!!!

the west think of the east as 3rd world dumb countries...so obviously our education and degrees are crap! thats the main point!

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Why should I be jealous? My education and degree is recognized anywhere in the world.

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And still NO-ONE would want to employ you Sono

And with your degree, my sister would never need you, while she can save your life a 100 times.

But then again.. Where is this degree you're bragging about all life?!!

Just get it first ya kotta.

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FOREIGN SCHOOL APPROVAL
In 1997, Assembly Bill 1116 was enacted to provide
for the evaluation and approval of those foreign dental
schools that provide dental education equivalent to that
of similar accredited institutions in the United States. In
2000, regulations were developed and implemented that
created the approval process. The fi rst school to receive
this approval is the Universidad de La Salle, located in
Guanajuato, Mexico. Their approval was granted on
December 27, 2004.
Students who graduate from de La Salle with the proper
credentials will be eligible to take the clinical exam.
They will not have to fulfi ll any other educational
requirements.

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/pdf/newsletters/newletter-april05_final.pdf



Chapter 2 - Article 4 - Graduates of Foreign Dental Schools



§1040. Application and Licensure Requirements.
(a) A graduate of a foreign dental school who desires to take the licensure examination shall apply on a form prescribed by the board. Such application shall be accompanied by the required fees, credentials and documentation specified by the board and should be filed with the board not less than 90 days prior to the examination date requested. Applications may be accepted by the board, in its discretion, up to 45 days prior to such examination date. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the board's authority to seek from an applicant such other information pertinent to the background, education and experience of the applicant as may be deemed necessary in order to pass upon the applicant's qualifications.
(b) Credentials. The applicant shall furnish the following documentation satisfactory to the board: (1) A complete transcript of the academic and clinical dental school record of the applicant. Said transcript shall be accompanied by an affidavit showing to the satisfaction of the board that the applicant is the person named in each transcript he submits, that the transcript is a true recital of the full number of academic years of undergraduate courses required for graduation, that such courses of professional instruction in dentistry were accomplished in a resident course of instruction.
(2) A legible, true copy of the dental diploma or dental degree conferred upon the applicant as evidence of the completion of the courses of dental instruction required for graduation. Such document shall be accompanied by an affidavit showing to the satisfaction of the board that the applicant is the person named in such diploma or degree, that he is the lawful holder, and that it was procured in the regular resident course of instruction and examination without fraud or misrepresentation.
(3) The documentation required in paragraphs (1) and (2) hereof shall be authenticated by either the president, secretary, dean or registrar of the educational institution.
(4) Credentials and documentation required by this section which are submitted in a foreign language shall be accompanied by a certified original translation by a qualified translator.
(5) When, because of circumstances beyond his control, an applicant is unable to furnish any of the documents or authentication or certification required by this section, the board may in its discretion accept other documents which it deems satisfactory to establish the applicant's eligibility.
Note: Authority cited: Section 1614, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Section 1636, Business and Professions Code.

§1041. Examination Requirements.
(a) Written Examination. The written examination required by Section 1628.2 of the Code shall be that given by the National Board of Dental Examiners. An applicant shall submit to the board evidence of successful completion of said examination. Pursuant to section 1628.2 of the Code, a copy of the applicant's scores on this written examination must have been received at the board's principal office by July 12, 2004. An original of the applicant's scores must be received with the application to take the Restorative Technique examination requested.
(b) Restorative Techniques. Each foreign-trained examinee shall demonstrate his or her skill in restorative techniques in the presence of the board members or examiners appointed for that purpose. Each examinee shall complete to the satisfaction of the board all assigned restorations.
(1) Assignments. The applicant shall be given an assignment to complete in each of the following categories, as described below.
(A) Amalgam. Each applicant shall prepare and restore a Class II amalgam on a tooth and surface assigned at the time of examination.
(B) Cast Restorations. Each applicant shall prepare two artificial teeth from among those provided by the manufacturer of the typodont specified in subsection (b)(2), for single unit cast restorations, or as abutments for a fixed bridge. The preparation assignments for all teeth to be prepared will be given at the start of the examination and will be selected from the following: MOD onlay, 3/4 crown, 7/8 crown, full metal crown, full all-porcelain crown, or full porcelain-fused-to-metal crown.
(C) Composite. Each applicant shall prepare and/or restore one or more Class II, III, or IV composite restoration(s) on tooth or teeth and surface(s) assigned at the time of the examination, with the tooth or teeth mounted in a typodont specified in subsection (b)(2).
(2) Equipment. The applicant shall provide a crown and bridge typodont which shall be used for the examination in restorative techniques. The typodont shall be the D95SDP-200 Dental Study Model by Kilgore International, Inc. The typodont shall be suitable for mounting either on a dental chair with a headrest bar or on a simulator, whichever is provided by the dental school where the examination is administered. The mounting on a dental chair shall be a Columbia aluminum head, model number AH-1C-1 or its equivalent with removable soft rubber facings simulating the cheeks. Upper and lower members shall be sealed with plaster. The typodont shall be equilibrated in centric relation jaw position prior to the examination, with at least four points of centric occlusal stops on each side of the typodont. The candidate shall also provide addressed mailing materials, as is appropriate for the typodont, with postage prepaid, for the return of the typodont to the candidate after the examination.
(3) Time Period Allowed. The examination shall be a total of eight hours in length. This time period includes approval time for the typodont and equilibration time for disapproved typodonts.
(c) Further Examination. An examinee who successfully completes the restorative technique examination is eligible to take the remaining examinations required by Section 1636(c) of the Code. All rules applicable to such examinations and the grading thereof contained in Article 3 of this subchapter shall apply to examinees who are foreign dental school graduates.
(d) Passing Grades. A foreign dental school graduate shall be deemed to have passed the examination if he or she achieves a score of at least 75% on at least two of the three sections of the examination, and an overall score of at least 75% composite average for all three sections of the examination scored as a whole.
Note: Authority cited: Section 1614, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Section 1636, Business and Professions Code.

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/chapter-2-regulations-article-4.htm


Under the new law who is eligible to take the Restorative Technique examination?
All persons who have been issued a degree of doctor of dental medicine or doctor of
dental surgery by a foreign dental school not approved by the Board or accredited by a
body that has a reciprocal accreditation agreement with a commission or accreditation
organization, and passed the National Board of Dental Examinations Part I and Part II by
December 31, 2003

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/pdf/rt_faq_revised.pdf

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Originally posted by Sonomod_me:
Why should I be jealous? My education and degree is recognized anywhere in the world.

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And still NO-ONE would want to employ you Sono

And with your degree, my sister would never need you, while she can save your life a 100 times.

But then again.. Where is this degree you're bragging about all life?!!

Just get it first ya kotta.

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Originally posted by Sonomod_me:
FOREIGN SCHOOL APPROVAL
In 1997, Assembly Bill 1116 was enacted to provide
for the evaluation and approval of those foreign dental
schools that provide dental education equivalent to that
of similar accredited institutions in the United States. In
2000, regulations were developed and implemented that
created the approval process. The fi rst school to receive
this approval is the Universidad de La Salle, located in
Guanajuato, Mexico. Their approval was granted on
December 27, 2004.
Students who graduate from de La Salle with the proper
credentials will be eligible to take the clinical exam.
They will not have to fulfi ll any other educational
requirements.

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/pdf/newsletters/newletter-april05_final.pdf



Chapter 2 - Article 4 - Graduates of Foreign Dental Schools



§1040. Application and Licensure Requirements.
(a) A graduate of a foreign dental school who desires to take the licensure examination shall apply on a form prescribed by the board. Such application shall be accompanied by the required fees, credentials and documentation specified by the board and should be filed with the board not less than 90 days prior to the examination date requested. Applications may be accepted by the board, in its discretion, up to 45 days prior to such examination date. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the board's authority to seek from an applicant such other information pertinent to the background, education and experience of the applicant as may be deemed necessary in order to pass upon the applicant's qualifications.
(b) Credentials. The applicant shall furnish the following documentation satisfactory to the board: (1) A complete transcript of the academic and clinical dental school record of the applicant. Said transcript shall be accompanied by an affidavit showing to the satisfaction of the board that the applicant is the person named in each transcript he submits, that the transcript is a true recital of the full number of academic years of undergraduate courses required for graduation, that such courses of professional instruction in dentistry were accomplished in a resident course of instruction.
(2) A legible, true copy of the dental diploma or dental degree conferred upon the applicant as evidence of the completion of the courses of dental instruction required for graduation. Such document shall be accompanied by an affidavit showing to the satisfaction of the board that the applicant is the person named in such diploma or degree, that he is the lawful holder, and that it was procured in the regular resident course of instruction and examination without fraud or misrepresentation.
(3) The documentation required in paragraphs (1) and (2) hereof shall be authenticated by either the president, secretary, dean or registrar of the educational institution.
(4) Credentials and documentation required by this section which are submitted in a foreign language shall be accompanied by a certified original translation by a qualified translator.
(5) When, because of circumstances beyond his control, an applicant is unable to furnish any of the documents or authentication or certification required by this section, the board may in its discretion accept other documents which it deems satisfactory to establish the applicant's eligibility.
Note: Authority cited: Section 1614, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Section 1636, Business and Professions Code.

§1041. Examination Requirements.
(a) Written Examination. The written examination required by Section 1628.2 of the Code shall be that given by the National Board of Dental Examiners. An applicant shall submit to the board evidence of successful completion of said examination. Pursuant to section 1628.2 of the Code, a copy of the applicant's scores on this written examination must have been received at the board's principal office by July 12, 2004. An original of the applicant's scores must be received with the application to take the Restorative Technique examination requested.
(b) Restorative Techniques. Each foreign-trained examinee shall demonstrate his or her skill in restorative techniques in the presence of the board members or examiners appointed for that purpose. Each examinee shall complete to the satisfaction of the board all assigned restorations.
(1) Assignments. The applicant shall be given an assignment to complete in each of the following categories, as described below.
(A) Amalgam. Each applicant shall prepare and restore a Class II amalgam on a tooth and surface assigned at the time of examination.
(B) Cast Restorations. Each applicant shall prepare two artificial teeth from among those provided by the manufacturer of the typodont specified in subsection (b)(2), for single unit cast restorations, or as abutments for a fixed bridge. The preparation assignments for all teeth to be prepared will be given at the start of the examination and will be selected from the following: MOD onlay, 3/4 crown, 7/8 crown, full metal crown, full all-porcelain crown, or full porcelain-fused-to-metal crown.
(C) Composite. Each applicant shall prepare and/or restore one or more Class II, III, or IV composite restoration(s) on tooth or teeth and surface(s) assigned at the time of the examination, with the tooth or teeth mounted in a typodont specified in subsection (b)(2).
(2) Equipment. The applicant shall provide a crown and bridge typodont which shall be used for the examination in restorative techniques. The typodont shall be the D95SDP-200 Dental Study Model by Kilgore International, Inc. The typodont shall be suitable for mounting either on a dental chair with a headrest bar or on a simulator, whichever is provided by the dental school where the examination is administered. The mounting on a dental chair shall be a Columbia aluminum head, model number AH-1C-1 or its equivalent with removable soft rubber facings simulating the cheeks. Upper and lower members shall be sealed with plaster. The typodont shall be equilibrated in centric relation jaw position prior to the examination, with at least four points of centric occlusal stops on each side of the typodont. The candidate shall also provide addressed mailing materials, as is appropriate for the typodont, with postage prepaid, for the return of the typodont to the candidate after the examination.
(3) Time Period Allowed. The examination shall be a total of eight hours in length. This time period includes approval time for the typodont and equilibration time for disapproved typodonts.
(c) Further Examination. An examinee who successfully completes the restorative technique examination is eligible to take the remaining examinations required by Section 1636(c) of the Code. All rules applicable to such examinations and the grading thereof contained in Article 3 of this subchapter shall apply to examinees who are foreign dental school graduates.
(d) Passing Grades. A foreign dental school graduate shall be deemed to have passed the examination if he or she achieves a score of at least 75% on at least two of the three sections of the examination, and an overall score of at least 75% composite average for all three sections of the examination scored as a whole.
Note: Authority cited: Section 1614, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Section 1636, Business and Professions Code.

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/chapter-2-regulations-article-4.htm


Under the new law who is eligible to take the Restorative Technique examination?
All persons who have been issued a degree of doctor of dental medicine or doctor of
dental surgery by a foreign dental school not approved by the Board or accredited by a
body that has a reciprocal accreditation agreement with a commission or accreditation
organization, and passed the National Board of Dental Examinations Part I and Part II by
December 31, 2003

http://www.dbc.ca.gov/pdf/rt_faq_revised.pdf

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[QUOTE]She's a dentist, unless you are refering to CPR (which anyone can learn and use) she has no specials skills to save me.

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Anyhow, I have a degree with no stipulations or extensive obligations attached that no one can take away from me.

Yeah I'll be graduating this October/December. But thats closer to an unecumbered career than you'll ever have.

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Eat your heart out Sono, because in your whole life and the life that follows you will not reach half what I've reached..

And my only obligations nowadays are to love and nourish my child.

Even this one obligation of yours you couldn't keep..

So shove your future degree where the sun won't shine.

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Originally posted by Sonomod_me:
What I am trying to illustrate here is you need to earn an advanced degree in the USA or attend a university that has been accredited by an accrediting agency of the USA.

Now many "el-doctoras" with medical degrees that aren't from an unversity in the USA or a university that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by a state board of medicine is often....

Clearly flat-out demoted. "el-doctoras" in her home country but a nobody in the west.

If you earned an advanced medical degree from universities in certain western European nations and this country paid for your education you are required to work within thier bureaucracy or their education institutions for a set period of time.

If you don't meet your obligation to repay your free education, you are no longer an 'el-doctora'...

You are now a nobody.

Hence the mental breakdown we see here on ES.

And I, as a person who waited 7 years in order to start her college education and this education cannot be taken away, I find this mental breakdown gratifying.

This December when I am handed my University Bachelorette Degree Diploma, I will taste victory over my past injustices.

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Guys, if you won't drink your milk, you will grow up to be like her.

Eat your heart out Sono.

I am "el-Doctora" whether you like it or not.. And I just won myself the teacher-of-the-year prize..

You're not the superior white sow you think you are Sowno!

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Originally posted by Sonomod_me:
What I am trying to illustrate here is you need to earn an advanced degree in the USA or attend a university that has been accredited by an accrediting agency of the USA.

Now many "el-doctoras" with medical degrees that aren't from an unversity in the USA or a university that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by a state board of medicine is often....

Clearly flat-out demoted. "el-doctoras" in her home country but a nobody in the west.

If you earned an advanced medical degree from universities in certain western European nations and this country paid for your education you are required to work within thier bureaucracy or their education institutions for a set period of time.

If you don't meet your obligation to repay your free education, you are no longer an 'el-doctora'...

You are now a nobody.

Hence the mental breakdown we see here on ES.

And I, as a person who waited 7 years in order to start her college education and this education cannot be taken away, I find this mental breakdown gratifying.

This December when I am handed my University Bachelorette Degree Diploma, I will taste victory over my past injustices.

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Guys, if you won't drink your milk, you will grow up to be like her.

Eat your heart out Sono.

I am "el-Doctora" whether you like it or not.. And I just won myself the teacher-of-the-year prize..

You're not the superior white sow you think you are Sowno!

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I like it like that - come on sono punch back - lets see what your jelly body is like

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And my only obligations nowadays are to love and nourish my child.

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I didn't know that posts here are counted by someone else then admin

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Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
And my only obligations nowadays are to love and nourish my child.

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LOL.... and you do this in the 12 minutes of the day your not posting your acidic filth here... 500 posts in 4 days....

is that your baby crying....

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