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Female genital mutilation "is part of the Sunna of the Prophet"
Following are excerpts from a television program about female circumcision in Egypt, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
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Interviewer: In the Islamic religion, and in the villages and neighborhoods, it is always said that girls should be circumcised just like boys. Does it come from the Sunna, or is it a custom or yours?
Female villager: Circumcision is part of the Sunna of the Prophet. We used to bring a daya, and she would circumcise the children, but when the role of the daya was abolished, we stopped. Now we take our children to the doctor, and he circumcises them.
Interviewer: So it is the doctor who circumcises the girl?
Female villager: Yes. If a girl is not circumcised, she can't stand it. When she is circumcised, she is calm and has self-restraint. The circumcision protects the girl and makes her clam.
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Interviewer: So you think all women should be circumcised to protect their honor.
Female villager: The Prophet said that the men go and wage Jihad for a year. He said that girls should be circumcised so they can bear it for a whole year until the men return. [...]
And "Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Sa'id Al-Munji Justifies Female Circumcision: It Replaces the Chastity Belts of Ancient Times":
Following are excerpts from an interview with Al-Azhar Cleric Farahat Said Al-Munji, which aired on Al-Mihwar TV on May 10, 2007:
Farahat Sa'id Al-Munji: The Prophet said that circumcision is obligatory for men, and is noble for women. This means that for the sake of her honor, a woman can be circumcised. This noble act can be either carried out or not. Moreover, this noble act is subject to restrictions nowadays. I once had a discussion with a gynecologist, who said: "A man brought his daughter to me, and I told him she must be circumcised immediately." Why? Because he discovered that her clitoris was so big that it was bound to cause her pain or bother her when she reached puberty, and therefore, she had to be circumcised. He told me that other girls came to him, and he said they should not be circumcised. Why? Because their clitoris was normal in size, and did not bother them. It would be crazy to deal with such a clitoris, which does not protrude to an extent that might bother the woman, when it rubs against her clothing and so on...
Guys, all these things appear in Islamic law. Don't think we are making these things up. It all exists [in religious law] and is determined... We say that if the clitoris is so on and so forth... What am I saying? When the Prophet Muhammad met Umm Salama in Al-Madina – what did he say to her? "Are you still doing what you sued to do in Mecca?" In other words, are you still circumcising girls, like you used to do in Mecca? She said: Yes. He said: "Trim it, but don't cut it off." According to another version, he said: "Shorten it, but don't cut it off." "Trim it" means leaving room for sexual desire. That little bit on top, which looks like the rooster's crest, is shortened, but just the upper part. She needs to cut off the prepuce, the little bit at the top.
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The prevailing mentality of many villagers whether Egyptians, Romanians or Bangladeshis have one thing in common and that is ignorance .
The Sunna of Prophet Muhammad (saw) consists of traditions and actions attributed to him. Such traditions if authentic result in a consensus(by the Ummah). There isn’t a consensus with regards to female circumcision. It is in fact an aberration clearly demonstrated by the Ummah’s detestation of such a hideous act. Female circumcision mainly prevails in the most ignorant areas of Africa. Muslims and non-Muslims alike practice this abnormality.
Prominent Egyptian scholars concede that such an act is not Sunnah. Al-Azhar needs to clean up its act and really it is a shame that such an institution has become inconsequential.
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quote:Originally posted by Sobriquet: The prevailing mentality of many villagers whether Egyptians, Romanians or Bangladeshis have one thing in common and that is ignorance .
In Romanians villagers have never practiced circumcise...in case that you heard something else.
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Yeah right, that's why you included the Romanian village people in your post about FGM..... Posts: 30135 | From: The owner of this website killed ES....... | Registered: Feb 2004
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"The prevailing mentality of many villagers whether Egyptians, Romanians or Bangladeshis have one thing in common and that is ignorance ."
Where does that say they perform FGM? It says they're ignorant and that it's a common factor amongst villagers. FGM is generally performed out of ignorance. Do I have to draw y'all a map?
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Yes, it is about FGM but what Sobriquet was saying was that FGM is done out of ignorance. His post has relevance. You may want to learn to read and comprehend the English language a little better before you jump on ppl.
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I don't think it's ignorance what people motivates to perform this on their females. Rather it's a combination of following an old tradition/lack of education.
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Lack of education falls into the ignorance category. They're ignorant in the fact that they believe this is beneficial for females. If they weren't ignorant they wouldn't believe this.
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Oh you are too kind, MM, but please keep your lectures for other people - or for yourself.
It was easy to misunderstood when Sobriquet's reply to FGM included the word Romanians - that's all.
So stop jumping at people. Now let's talk about the main issue here.
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Ok but if you would read beyond *Romanians* you would see his post has relevance. His posts always have more relevance than yours when it comes to Egypt. He's Egyptian and has been in the country of late. Unlike yourself.
Tell us..what do you know about FGM? Has it been performed on anyone you know personally? Have you personally spoken with an Egyptian to know how *they* feel about it and why they do it? Or is this just typical hearsay BS that you get from copy and paste articles?
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quote:Originally posted by Mother War: Lack of education falls into the ignorance category. They're ignorant in the fact that they believe this is beneficial for females. If they weren't ignorant they wouldn't believe this.
What is this? A word picking contest?!
Look these people are not ignorant. They believe in it and they follow it. They believe it is the right thing to do just like they believe in their religion.
And its a tough long way to educate them to choose the opposite. Egypt already made remarkable progress in this field. More and more families in villages stop FGM.
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Their beliefs are ignorant. If they believe that cutting off part of a woman's outer vaginal area is beneficial than I'd say it's pretty damned ignorant. Do you not know the meaning of ignorant?
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quote:Originally posted by Mother War: Yes, it is about FGM but what Sobriquet was saying was that FGM is done out of ignorance. His post has relevance. You may want to learn to read and comprehend the English language a little better before you jump on ppl.
Thank you Mother War Posts: 2079 | From: 'by any means necessary' - Malcom X | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Mother War: Ok but if you would read beyond *Romanians* you would see his post has relevance. His posts always have more relevance than yours when it comes to Egypt. He's Egyptian and has been in the country of late. Unlike yourself.
Tell us..what do you know about FGM? Has it been performed on anyone you know personally? Have you personally spoken with an Egyptian to know how *they* feel about it and why they do it? Or is this just typical hearsay BS that you get from copy and paste articles?
Oh god, welcome b*tchiness! Getting very personal right now, don't you?
Hey, remember when I told you I would never move to where your fiance/husband lived? Some Kafr close to Alex? I told you it was trashy. And you got upset.
Well you went and saw it with your own eyes - and you are back in the states now. So who knows more in your opinion?
I agree I left quite some time ago in Egypt, but I lived there for three years and you questioned my lifestyle in Egypt in another topic. I lived the expat life most of the time with less money you could imagine but I did hang out mostly with Egyptians. I ate fool, aish balady and wara' aynab just like you. Does it take a veil and a koran to live the traditional lifestyle in Egypt? Is this your opinion on the subject?
Live and let live.
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WTF are you talking about? Ancient history?
Elitist TL as usual talking about trashy places in Egypt that she would never live in.
Lady you need to check yourself. You're completely loco. I see you've picked up some tips from your buddy.
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I knew once a villager who had split his daughter cause he did not know where exactly the part to cut for a Circumcision, sad but true Posts: 1167 | From: Homelandless | Registered: May 2006
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