quote:Originally posted by messenger: We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
maybe you want to protect their virginity more like...we cannot have a cheating...lying...no good western man touching you.....you must have a cheating...lying....i am always right....no good egyptian man instead....touching you....
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
maybe you want to protect their virginity more like...we cannot have a cheating...lying...no good western man touching you.....you must have a cheating...lying....i am always right....no good egyptian man instead....touching you....
Are you going out with a western woman messenger...i hope not Posts: 312 | From: my world | Registered: Sep 2007
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quote:Originally posted by niva: because egyptian men think that they are the kings and egyptian woman are the slaves, they can talk to western girls and can do all the wrong things with them and no body will blame them and when we just talk to western men they say that we should be prostetudes just for talking with them ... just to prevent us from talkin to them, because they dont want us to talk to foreigners and see the big difference between western men and egyptian ones, because if we feel this difference we will not be their slaves anymore. we will see that the western men treat us very well and in respectfull way and give us our complete rights, then we will object the way the egyptian men treats us after seeing the difference and then we will stop being slaves for egyptian mem anymore. so they like to prevent us from the begining to deal with those western men, and to be able to prevent us they got this excuse which is "egyptian woman talkin with western men means she is prostitude and she goes with him for money", and this way the egyptian woman will be afraid about her reputation ..... so i am asking all girls to be aware of whats happening around her and not to be a slave.
You see, Egyptian men go out with western women because we know they put out. And when we see Egyptian girls with western men, we know that they are after the same thing we are, and that's why we get upset. Because we know they want you for you body only. Not like us, we want western women for their body only, but Egyptian women are for love, marriage and family. Do you understand?
And welcome to the board
you think its right thing for a man to go out with a woman for her body only?? is it 7alal?
you go out with western woman for her body only that doesnt mean all men are like you.
Hi Niva,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not realize you are looking for a virgin western man. I personally do not know of any virgin western men or women and have great doubts about their existence.
I agree not all men are like me, I'm quite unique at the matter of fact. But if you believe that having sex is haram, that applies to both Egyptian and western men just the same.
I had the impression that you are open minded because you were looking for a western man. Didn't think you were going to bring up religion
open minded is not something bad or 7aram, open minded means to be flexible about learning and understanding new things, even learning and understanding the religion itself and most arabic men translate the religion for their own seeks not for what it really means. god created the religion for everybody not for arabs only, any nationality can enter the islam and be muslims, being a good muslim has no realtion with nationality.
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quote:Originally posted by niva: because egyptian men think that they are the kings and egyptian woman are the slaves, they can talk to western girls and can do all the wrong things with them and no body will blame them and when we just talk to western men they say that we should be prostetudes just for talking with them ... just to prevent us from talkin to them, because they dont want us to talk to foreigners and see the big difference between western men and egyptian ones, because if we feel this difference we will not be their slaves anymore. we will see that the western men treat us very well and in respectfull way and give us our complete rights, then we will object the way the egyptian men treats us after seeing the difference and then we will stop being slaves for egyptian mem anymore. so they like to prevent us from the begining to deal with those western men, and to be able to prevent us they got this excuse which is "egyptian woman talkin with western men means she is prostitude and she goes with him for money", and this way the egyptian woman will be afraid about her reputation ..... so i am asking all girls to be aware of whats happening around her and not to be a slave.
You see, Egyptian men go out with western women because we know they put out. And when we see Egyptian girls with western men, we know that they are after the same thing we are, and that's why we get upset. Because we know they want you for you body only. Not like us, we want western women for their body only, but Egyptian women are for love, marriage and family. Do you understand?
And welcome to the board
you think its right thing for a man to go out with a woman for her body only?? is it 7alal?
you go out with western woman for her body only that doesnt mean all men are like you.
Hi Niva,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not realize you are looking for a virgin western man. I personally do not know of any virgin western men or women and have great doubts about their existence.
I agree not all men are like me, I'm quite unique at the matter of fact. But if you believe that having sex is haram, that applies to both Egyptian and western men just the same.
I had the impression that you are open minded because you were looking for a western man. Didn't think you were going to bring up religion
open minded is not something bad or 7aram, open minded means to be flexible about learning and understanding new things, even learning and understanding the religion itself and most arabic men translate the religion for their own seeks not for what it really means. god created the religion for everybody not for arabs only, any nationality can enter the islam and be muslims, being a good muslim has no realtion with nationality.
That's fine but the question is, if you don't mind western men having sex why do you object to egytptian men doing the same? That's my point, that there are no virgin western men. Do you get my point? If you are interested in western men you have to be clear that they have had sex. And if you're OK with that, then why did you object to me?
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quote:Originally posted by messenger: We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
when you hate someone very much you like to kill him with your own hand not any body else hand...
and you protect us from western hand to abuse us yourself with your own hand.
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quote:Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
maybe you want to protect their virginity more like...we cannot have a cheating...lying...no good western man touching you.....you must have a cheating...lying....i am always right....no good egyptian man instead....touching you....
Are you going out with a western woman messenger...i hope not
We only cheat and lie to western women because they don't matter but with Egyptian women they we are completely different. Western women are sluts, and we like that but not for marriage.
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i thought mine was different...i thought he loved my mind not my body [/QB][/QUOTE]
He doesn't love you for your mind because no one loves women for their mind. Either for the body or for making a family.
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quote:Originally posted by *Souri*: Not like us, we want western women for their body only, but Egyptian women are for love, marriage and family. Do you understand?
Some Egyptians member here after wonder why so many “westerns women” as they call us, keep writing negative comments about Egypt. I have traveled in some other Arab country and have never been treated as a whore, as much as I have been in Egypt. Claiming that Egyptians want westerns women for their body it isn’t an insult? Or maybe just a constructive criticize about western women……..
It shouldn't be an insult. Western women are equal to western men and believe in their right and freedom to do whatever they want including having sex with men. Ask any western woman and she will tell you that she would never marry a man before getting a "test drive". Well we're test driving the whole lot Posts: 406 | Registered: Mar 2008
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quote:Originally posted by niva: because egyptian men think that they are the kings and egyptian woman are the slaves, they can talk to western girls and can do all the wrong things with them and no body will blame them and when we just talk to western men they say that we should be prostetudes just for talking with them ... just to prevent us from talkin to them, because they dont want us to talk to foreigners and see the big difference between western men and egyptian ones, because if we feel this difference we will not be their slaves anymore. we will see that the western men treat us very well and in respectfull way and give us our complete rights, then we will object the way the egyptian men treats us after seeing the difference and then we will stop being slaves for egyptian mem anymore. so they like to prevent us from the begining to deal with those western men, and to be able to prevent us they got this excuse which is "egyptian woman talkin with western men means she is prostitude and she goes with him for money", and this way the egyptian woman will be afraid about her reputation ..... so i am asking all girls to be aware of whats happening around her and not to be a slave.
You see, Egyptian men go out with western women because we know they put out. And when we see Egyptian girls with western men, we know that they are after the same thing we are, and that's why we get upset. Because we know they want you for you body only. Not like us, we want western women for their body only, but Egyptian women are for love, marriage and family. Do you understand?
And welcome to the board
you think its right thing for a man to go out with a woman for her body only?? is it 7alal?
you go out with western woman for her body only that doesnt mean all men are like you.
Hi Niva,
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not realize you are looking for a virgin western man. I personally do not know of any virgin western men or women and have great doubts about their existence.
I agree not all men are like me, I'm quite unique at the matter of fact. But if you believe that having sex is haram, that applies to both Egyptian and western men just the same.
I had the impression that you are open minded because you were looking for a western man. Didn't think you were going to bring up religion
open minded is not something bad or 7aram, open minded means to be flexible about learning and understanding new things, even learning and understanding the religion itself and most arabic men translate the religion for their own seeks not for what it really means. god created the religion for everybody not for arabs only, any nationality can enter the islam and be muslims, being a good muslim has no realtion with nationality.
That's fine but the question is, if you don't mind western men having sex why do you object to egytptian men doing the same? That's my point, that there are no virgin western men. Do you get my point? If you are interested in western men you have to be clear that they have had sex. And if you're OK with that, then why did you object to me?
i object you because western men is doing sex and he doesnt know its something 7aram and he doesnt blame the woman about doing the same thing that he is doing because he thinks they are equal.
but the egyptian men is doing sex and he knows its 7aram and he blame the woman if she did the same 7aram thing that he is doing,
but if u read our religion in open minded way and understanding way you will know that we are equal, the 7aram for me is 7aram for you and the 7alal for me is 7alal for you.
if i meet a foreigner man and make him to convert to muslim he will treat me as equal to him which is better for me then being with an egyptian muslim, because th egyptian understand the religion in wrong way and understand it only for his seeks and needs, because he is being selfish. so for me the convert to islam this way is better than the already muslim one.
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quote:Originally posted by messenger: We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
when you hate someone very much you like to kill him with your own hand not any body else hand...
and you protect us from western hand to abuse us yourself with your own hand.
No, I don't know where you get these ideas from. I'm really surprised. Egyptian women are very special and that's why we treat them with such care and attention. We like to protect you and care of you in a different way than western women whom we don't care about.
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quote:Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
maybe you want to protect their virginity more like...we cannot have a cheating...lying...no good western man touching you.....you must have a cheating...lying....i am always right....no good egyptian man instead....touching you....
Are you going out with a western woman messenger...i hope not
We only cheat and lie to western women because they don't matter but with Egyptian women they we are completely different. Western women are sluts, and we like that but not for marriage.
not all of us are sluts asshole..would u call yr mama a slut????i think not so keep yr shat straight. u should treat any woman like u would treat yr mama no matter where she is from....if my man called me a slut cas i am american well i guess he would no longer be my man.
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quote:Originally posted by mylife:
i thought mine was different...i thought he loved my mind not my body
He doesn't love you for your mind because no one loves women for their mind. Either for the body or for making a family.
see that is where yr wrong too my egyptian loves me for my mind hopefully not my fat ass body.. but if u like women for their bodies or what ever then that would make u shallow as hell and no woman wants a dumb ass shallow unthoughtful man.
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quote:Originally posted by *Souri*: Not like us, we want western women for their body only, but Egyptian women are for love, marriage and family. Do you understand?
Some Egyptians member here after wonder why so many “westerns women” as they call us, keep writing negative comments about Egypt. I have traveled in some other Arab country and have never been treated as a whore, as much as I have been in Egypt. Claiming that Egyptians want westerns women for their body it isn’t an insult? Or maybe just a constructive criticize about western women……..
It shouldn't be an insult. Western women are equal to western men and believe in their right and freedom to do whatever they want including having sex with men. Ask any western woman and she will tell you that she would never marry a man before getting a "test drive". Well we're test driving the whole lot
now u are right there i like to test drive anything before i commet to buying.. or marrying.but that doesnt make us sluts it makes us open minded.we can do and say what we like without the fear of jail,lashes.and outcasting from the community.makes me glad i am a westener.
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quote:Originally posted by niva: i object you because western men is doing sex and he doesnt know its something 7aram and he doesnt blame the woman about doing the same thing that he is doing because he thinks they are equal.
but the egyptian men is doing sex and he knows its 7aram and he blame the woman if she did the same 7aram thing that he is doing,
but if u read our religion in open minded way and understanding way you will know that we are equal, the 7aram for me is 7aram for you and the 7alal for me is 7alal for you.
Niva, we know that it is 7aram and that's why we don't like it when Egytpian-Muslim women do it. It would not make any sesnse to know that something is 7aram and then want it for our women! We do it becasue we have strong urges that we need to satisfy and we know it is worng. We never say it is 7alal for use and 7aram for women. It is 7aram for both and that's why we want to protect you form doing 7aram things by going out with western men or staying out late.
quote:Originally posted by niva:
if i meet a foreigner man and make him to convert to muslim he will treat me as equal to him which is better for me then being with an egyptian muslim, because th egyptian understand the religion in wrong way and understand it only for his seeks and needs, because he is being selfish. so for me the convert to islam this way is better than the already muslim one.
Do you really think it is easier to convert a man to Islam than correcting the behavior of a Muslim man who knows the religion like you do and believe in the same things? Isn't easier to talk to Egyptian men and tell them that you are not interested in 7aram things and only want to have 7alal friendship with them? Isn't that easier that converting a man! If you try to convert western man, he still want to have sex with many women and will cheat on his wife....western men are not trustworthy.
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quote:Originally posted by tina kamal: now u are right there i like to test drive anything before i commet to buying.. or marrying.but that doesnt make us sluts it makes us open minded.we can do and say what we like without the fear of jail,lashes.and outcasting from the community.makes me glad i am a westener.
To you that's open minded but that's because you are western. To Egyptian men and women that's slutty and 7aram. That's what I've been trying to explain to niva and pinkmoon. The mentality of western men and women are so different from Egyptian one.
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i thought mine was different...i thought he loved my mind not my body
He doesn't love you for your mind because no one loves women for their mind. Either for the body or for making a family. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Have you heard of taking the piss thats what i was doing....i am grown woman...i know the double standards some egyptian men have...you seem one of them....
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ofcourse its different we are from 2 totally different world but that doesnt make yrs better than mine just cas yr oppressed.and it doesnt make mine any better cas we are free thinkers.its just different so when someone says their way of life is better of course its better for them cas thats how they live.but whats good for one person is not good for another. i would never tell someone my way of life is better for them cas i do not know their mentality so mine is good for me.and yrs if good for u. norther is better..
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quote:Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by mylife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] We just want to protect you from them. You may think they're kinder or whatever. But the reality is western men are not family oriented and always cheat on their wives. Are you going out with a western man, I hope not
maybe you want to protect their virginity more like...we cannot have a cheating...lying...no good western man touching you.....you must have a cheating...lying....i am always right....no good egyptian man instead....touching you....
Are you going out with a western woman messenger...i hope not
We only cheat and lie to western women because they don't matter but with Egyptian women they we are completely different. Western women are sluts, and we like that but not for marriage.
Have you ever thought us western sluts...lie and sleep with egyptian man....because we can....you are all so easy targets....flash a bit of shoulder and you are all hooked ...so it is ok for you to dip your dick in who ever lets you.....then you go to the egyptian woman who you care about so much.....and dip it in her....not thinking that she is also sleeping with all the westerns sluts you have but hey as long as she is clean and pure you dont mind....hope you use condoms.....can really understand how you love and respect...your fellow women....cover her up...get her pregnant....keep her at home with kids and family.....while you go out and look at western sluts.....damn....now i know why i am single....i have a opinion and no man will ever stop me having one......
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thank god i'm not an egyptian woman having an idiot like that trying to "look after me".
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me too lumpy if my man thought like that i would get rid him fast
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Ah but then messenger isn't a Man
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quote:Originally posted by mylife: Have you ever thought us western sluts...lie and sleep with egyptian man....because we can....you are all so easy targets....flash a bit of shoulder and you are all hooked ...so it is ok for you to dip your dick in who ever lets you.....then you go to the egyptian woman who you care about so much.....and dip it in her....not thinking that she is also sleeping with all the westerns sluts you have but hey as long as she is clean and pure you dont mind....hope you use condoms.....can really understand how you love and respect...your fellow women....cover her up...get her pregnant....keep her at home with kids and family.....while you go out and look at western sluts.....damn....now i know why i am single....i have a opinion and no man will ever stop me having one......
So well said mylife - these some Egyptian men think western women are sluts. Well, what I have been seeing during my living in Egypt, so many Egyptian men are SO easy (you don't even have to look at them, quite the opposite and still they offer themselves for you, yuck). I wouldn't think them as husband material EVER NEVER (like I wouldn't any western man who does that). They can run after you in the street like they have never seen a woman So sad, pathetic and they are not acting like a Real Man should. I feel sad for their current (!!!!!) or future Egyptian wives. Every Egyptian woman deserves a decent husband also.
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"Messenger" watches too much television and doesn't have a clue about how to differentiate fact from fiction.
Why? Because "Messenger" is clearly a jealous fool, so jealous that he's willing to paint a entire hemisphere with the same broad brush just to keep one Egyptian woman "pure" and "innocent."
Further, Muslim women don't have to convert anybody to marry them. Muslim women don't have to marry Muslim men. That's a Muslim male invention.
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Lol isn't this one of our favourite topics here on ES???
Hmmm and I believe messenger = current = Auto. There you go...... no surprise.
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with my all respect to you ,if it were really a male invenetion why the female professors on Al-Azhar also support that muslim women must not marry non-muslim ?
One of them was the former dean of faculty of Osool Eldeen(namely prof.soad )and the other is professor of Islamic philosophy in al-azahr.
I would appreciate if you do not know Islam well,then do not throw pointless allegations,thank you
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with my all respect to you ,if it were really a male invenetion why the female professors on Al-Azhar also support that muslim women must not marry non-muslim ?
One of them was the former dean of faculty of Osool Eldeen(namely prof.soad )and the other is professor of Islamic philosophy in al-azahr.
I would appreciate if you do not know Islam well,then do not throw pointless allegations,thank you
And since (according to you) you are so knowledgeable in your faith please provide the Surah or Hadith and the source of the Hadith which you believe indicates that Muslim women must marry a muslim man.
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quote:Originally posted by $sonomod$: And since (according to you) you are so knowledgeable in your faith please provide the Surah or Hadith and the source of the Hadith which you believe indicates that Muslim women must marry a muslim man.
He can't because it's not there.
He also probably doesn't know that Muslim women marry men who aren't Muslim in the west, outside of the Middle Eastern, controlled by men world, all of the time.
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with my all respect to you ,if it were really a male invenetion why the female professors on Al-Azhar also support that muslim women must not marry non-muslim ?
One of them was the former dean of faculty of Osool Eldeen(namely prof.soad )and the other is professor of Islamic philosophy in al-azahr.
I would appreciate if you do not know Islam well,then do not throw pointless allegations,thank you
And since (according to you) you are so knowledgeable in your faith please provide the Surah or Hadith and the source of the Hadith which you believe indicates that Muslim women must marry a muslim man.
of course I can give you more that 3 billion reasons to ban this kind of marriage 1-marriage depends on afffection and compassion ,so how this will be fullified with someone who denys her religion? The jews as quran tells us hate us so much (this is apparent from what happens today in palestine) and the others christians ,...do not beleive in our religion so the kids will grow up in a non Islamic climate which is refused in Islam
2- verse 2:220
"And do not marry Al-Mushrikdt (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to AI-Mushrikiinltl till they believe (in Allah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you"
so this is explicit order not to marry anyone who is atheist ,agnostic or even christian because they think jesus is god so this is called Sherk.the word Muskrek means those who worship others but also worship Allah
now the only possiblity is jews but since they hate us so much as Quran tells us then how could a muslim be married to somebody who disrespect her faith?
3-verse 5:5
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Haltil (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. ( Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith [Le. in the Oneness of Allah and in all the other Articles of Faith i.e. His (Allah's) Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and AI-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. "
in the verse Allah permitted muslim men to marry christians and jews but did not mention the other part about muslim woman is not mentioned so if it were permitted Allah would have mentioned it because ,the verse was revealed to the prophet when the companions asked him
3-now let me give you some hadith about it
abo-talha went to engage om Salim she was msulim he was not ,she told him"you are atheist and i am muslim and I AM NOT PERMITTED TO MAARRY YOU,so if you want to marry me then you must convert to Islam " and indeed he converted and became on of the companions
4-the prophets daughter were married to non-muslims and when allah revealed him quran,he made their husband divorce them
5- when it comes to marriage,You are muslim or not muslim ,in islam nothing in between ,so the verses and hadith above are sufficient to prohibit this kind of marriage
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quote:Originally posted by $sonomod$: And since (according to you) you are so knowledgeable in your faith please provide the Surah or Hadith and the source of the Hadith which you believe indicates that Muslim women must marry a muslim man.
He can't because it's not there.
He also probably doesn't know that Muslim women marry men who aren't Muslim in the west, outside of the Middle Eastern, controlled by men world, all of the time.
would you please stop peridicting what i know and what i do not know !!!!!
I know that muslims in the west do marry non-muslim men
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with my all respect to you ,if it were really a male invenetion why the female professors on Al-Azhar also support that muslim women must not marry non-muslim ?
One of them was the former dean of faculty of Osool Eldeen(namely prof.soad )and the other is professor of Islamic philosophy in al-azahr.
I would appreciate if you do not know Islam well,then do not throw pointless allegations,thank you
And since (according to you) you are so knowledgeable in your faith please provide the Surah or Hadith and the source of the Hadith which you believe indicates that Muslim women must marry a muslim man.
of course I can give you more that 3 billion reasons to ban this kind of marriage 1-marriage depends on afffection and compassion ,so how this will be fullified with someone who denys her religion? The jews as quran tells us hate us so much (this is apparent from what happens today in palestine) and the others christians ,...do not beleive in our religion so the kids will grow up in a non Islamic climate which is refused in Islam
2- verse 2:220
"And do not marry Al-Mushrikdt (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to AI-Mushrikiinltl till they believe (in Allah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you"
so this is explicit order not to marry anyone who is atheist ,agnostic or even christian because they think jesus is god so this is called Sherk.the word Muskrek means those who worship others but also worship Allah
now the only possiblity is jews but since they hate us so much as Quran tells us then how could a muslim be married to somebody who disrespect her faith?
3-verse 5:5
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Haltil (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. ( Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith [Le. in the Oneness of Allah and in all the other Articles of Faith i.e. His (Allah's) Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and AI-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. "
in the verse Allah permitted muslim men to marry christians and jews but did not mention the other part about muslim woman is not mentioned so if it were permitted Allah would have mentioned it because ,the verse was revealed to the prophet when the companions asked him
3-now let me give you some hadith about it
abo-talha went to engage om Salim she was msulim he was not ,she told him"you are atheist and i am muslim and I AM NOT PERMITTED TO MAARRY YOU,so if you want to marry me then you must convert to Islam " and indeed he converted and became on of the companions
4-the prophets daughter were married to non-muslims and when allah revealed him quran,he made their husband divorce them
5- when it comes to marriage,You are muslim or not muslim ,in islam nothing in between ,so the verses and hadith above are sufficient to prohibit this kind of marriage
so for you its a matter of interpretation of the Surahs, not word for word "Don't marry a Jew/Christian"?
I know plenty of Jews that don't hate Islam or Muslims.
Yet since you live in a nation with less than 80 Jews, you probably don't even know a Jew to be able to say for sure that all Jews hate Islam.
Wow talk about intolerant.
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The Qu'ran is MUTE about who women can marry; there are no rules. However, it's clear who men can marry. You can't say that because God made the rules for men they also apply to women.
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quote:Originally posted by ** Ahmad**: of course I can give you more that 3 billion reasons to ban this kind of marriage 1-marriage depends on afffection and compassion ,so how this will be fullified with someone who denys her religion? The jews as quran tells us hate us so much (this is apparent from what happens today in palestine) and the others christians ,...do not beleive in our religion so the kids will grow up in a non Islamic climate which is refused in Islam
2- verse 2:220
"And do not marry Al-Mushrikdt (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to AI-Mushrikiinltl till they believe (in Allah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you"
so this is explicit order not to marry anyone who is atheist ,agnostic or even christian because they think jesus is god so this is called Sherk.the word Muskrek means those who worship others but also worship Allah
here you are saying that verse gives an explicit order not to marry christians. It is actually 2:221 not 2:220 and it is telling MEN not to marry unbelieving women and for women not to marry unbelievers. Christians and Jews ARE believers according to Quran, but YOU are saying its an order NOT to marry christians, ok??
002.221 YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.
quote:now the only possiblity is jews but since they hate us so much as Quran tells us then how could a muslim be married to somebody who disrespect her faith?
3-verse 5:5
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Haltil (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. ( Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith [Le. in the Oneness of Allah and in all the other Articles of Faith i.e. His (Allah's) Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and AI-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers. "
in the verse Allah permitted muslim men to marry christians and jews but did not mention the other part about muslim woman is not mentioned so if it were permitted Allah would have mentioned it because ,the verse was revealed to the prophet when the companions asked him
Now THAT is where you contradict yourself Akmad! above you claimed that verse meant christians and the verse was clearly directed at men, and now you say that men CAN marry christians even after saying they are idolators! You dont know what you are talking about! Allah also said the food of a jew or christian is halal for a muslim, is He going to say that if they are NOT believers??
quote:3-now let me give you some hadith about it
abo-talha went to engage om Salim she was msulim he was not ,she told him"you are atheist and i am muslim and I AM NOT PERMITTED TO MAARRY YOU,so if you want to marry me then you must convert to Islam " and indeed he converted and became on of the companions
4-the prophets daughter were married to non-muslims and when allah revealed him quran,he made their husband divorce them
5- when it comes to marriage,You are muslim or not muslim ,in islam nothing in between ,so the verses and hadith above are sufficient to prohibit this kind of marriage
no references to your nice little set of hadith perfectly designed to add to your contradictions, they contradict the verses in Quran you quoted and perfect for the muslim male agenda! Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by mylife: Have you ever thought us western sluts...lie and sleep with egyptian man....because we can....you are all so easy targets....flash a bit of shoulder and you are all hooked ...
That's what I've been saying all along, we know your slutty ways and we know you are not trustworthy. That's why we take what we want from you then dump you.
quote:Originally posted by mylife: so it is ok for you to dip your dick in who ever lets you.....then you go to the egyptian woman who you care about so much.....and dip it in her....not thinking that she is also sleeping with all the westerns sluts you have but hey as long as she is clean and pure you dont mind....hope you use condoms.....can really understand how you love and respect...your fellow women....cover her up...get her pregnant....keep her at home with kids and family.....while you go out and look at western sluts.....damn....now i know why i am single....i have a opinion and no man will ever stop me having one......
No no no......that is cheating. I did not say sleep with western sluts while married. That is what western men do not Egyptian men. We have sex with western women to satisfy our urge but when we meet the Egyptian woman we're going to marry, that's it, no more western sluts. period.
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quote:Originally posted by messenger: That's what I've been saying all along, we know your slutty ways and we know you are not trustworthy. That's why we take what we want from you then dump you.
I must not have anything worth taking because he hasn't dumped me yet.
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quote:Originally posted by messenger: That's what I've been saying all along, we know your slutty ways and we know you are not trustworthy. That's why we take what we want from you then dump you.
I must not have anything worth taking because he hasn't dumped me yet.
I hope the meaning behind the wording is different than the way it reads.
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quote:Originally posted by messenger: " That's what I've been saying all along, we know your slutty ways and we know you are not trustworthy. That's why we take what we want from you then dump you. "
" That is what western men do not Egyptian men. We have sex with western women to satisfy our urge but when we meet the Egyptian woman we're going to marry, that's it, no more western sluts. period. "
And yet how many Egyptian guys hooking up with western women in tourist areas are married or engaged? Too many.
western men satisfy their wives sexually because the understand that women have sexual needs and are capable of giving as much pleasure as we're given. this understanding is woefully lacking in egyptian men which is why they cheat more often than western men.
Egyptian men will boast about their sexual conquests on the side, while western men understand its a huge character flaw to boast let alone the act of cheating.
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quote:Originally posted by stayingput: Men can't make it haram if God didn't.
The Qu'ran is MUTE about who women can marry; there are no rules. However, it's clear who men can marry. You can't say that because God made the rules for men they also apply to women.
يا جماعة انتوا محيرين نفسكوا ليه ما تفتحوا كتاب القرآن و تقروا فيه سورة البقرة الاية 221 و لا تنكحوا المشركات حتى يؤمن و لأمة مؤمنة خير من مشركة و لو أعجبتكم و لا تنحكوا المشركين و لعبد مؤمن خير من مشرك و لو أعجبكم"
الآية معناها واضح ان فيه مساواه احنا عندنا عينين نقرا بيها و مخ نفكر بيه مش محتاجين افتاءات الرجالة الملوك اللى كل حاجة محللة ليهم و محرمة لينا,
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الايمان واخد حقة مين بيدي الحق لأي بني ادم بياكل ويشري ويعمل كمان زي الناس انة يكفر حد او يقول عنة مشرك الدين علاقة ما بين العبد وربة مش محتاجة بشر تحكم علي بشر
الانسان الي مستني فتوة انسان امكانيات عقلة محدودة القران والسنة ومخك بس المفروض
اخر حاجة معظم الناس بتحاول تربط عادات وتقليد ملهاش معني با الدين لمحاولت وجود مبرر ليها
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quote:Originally posted by stayingput: Men can't make it haram if God didn't.
The Qu'ran is MUTE about who women can marry; there are no rules. However, it's clear who men can marry. You can't say that because God made the rules for men they also apply to women.
I always get this ,God did not say that then we should not do that!!
this is the same as we should invent our prayers because it is not in Quran !! this is strange method of thinking! This is bizare method of thinking,the prophet ordered that his daoghter to be divirced from the non-muslims and the companions of the prophet and the prophet himself understood the word Moshrekeen is all non-muslims ,the word Mushrek incluses jews /christians ,...this is in the heart of Islam ,it is all about how the prophet and his close companions see and interpret the verses!not you and me,and the woman who told the man to convert because SHE IS NOT ALLOWED TO MARRY HIM is another evidence that they as muslims women did not allow non-msulism to approch them
you and others in this forum can not refute any thing I gave lots of points but you did not refute anything as usual just general talk and talk about the rigt she can make
the verse you say it muted about who women ,all the muslims men and females ask the prophet then Allah reveals him what men shoild marry but do not give the counterpart to the the female part because it is beyond questioning!!
Some people her says that PLENTY of jews love muslims which I do not where did she got that from ,they are wolves dressed like goats
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quote:Originally posted by Amr-: الايمان واخد حقة مين بيدي الحق لأي بني ادم بياكل ويشري ويعمل كمان زي الناس انة يكفر حد او يقول عنة مشرك الدين علاقة ما بين العبد وربة مش محتاجة بشر تحكم علي بشر
الانسان الي مستني فتوة انسان امكانيات عقلة محدودة القران والسنة ومخك بس المفروض
اخر حاجة معظم الناس بتحاول تربط عادات وتقليد ملهاش معني با الدين لمحاولت وجود مبرر ليها
أنا مكفرتش حد يا عم عمرو الست عيشة بتنكر السنة وا أكيد ان انت عارف ان كل المذاهب و كل العلماء كفروا أي حد بينكر السنه
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Ahmed, you shouldn't try to make people convince about that. It is confirmed and agreed by all Islam scholars that Muslim women cannot marry a non-Muslim (Budhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish or whatever).. We can't re-write the religion.
There are reasons for that. One of them is.. you know.. circumsion matter Posts: 2591 | From: **Ex Oriente Lux** | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat: Ahmed, you shouldn't try to make people convince about that. It is confirmed and agreed by all Islam scholars that Muslim women cannot marry a non-Muslim (Budhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish or whatever).. We can't re-write the religion.
There are reasons for that. One of them is.. you know.. circumsion matter
shah i just want to guide to the right way people here ask then they do not discuss or refute just talk and talk with no evidence about what they say!! I ask my self what kind of education ,mind and manners did they get and what manners do they have to make generalizations about muslims and egyptians in this country or in the muslim world
what happens in this forum is serious attack on all muslim beleifs and some people want to invent a version of islam as they like after all
verse 27:80
"Verily, you cannot make the dead to hear nor can you make the deaf to hear the call (i.e. benefit them and similarly the disbelievers), when they flee, turning their backs."
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quote:Originally posted by stayingput: Men can't make it haram if God didn't.
The Qu'ran is MUTE about who women can marry; there are no rules. However, it's clear who men can marry. You can't say that because God made the rules for men they also apply to women.
يا جماعة انتوا محيرين نفسكوا ليه ما تفتحوا كتاب القرآن و تقروا فيه سورة البقرة الاية 221 و لا تنكحوا المشركات حتى يؤمن و لأمة مؤمنة خير من مشركة و لو أعجبتكم و لا تنحكوا المشركين و لعبد مؤمن خير من مشرك و لو أعجبكم"
الآية معناها واضح ان فيه مساواه احنا عندنا عينين نقرا بيها و مخ نفكر بيه مش محتاجين افتاءات الرجالة الملوك اللى كل حاجة محللة ليهم و محرمة لينا,
قصدك ايه ب الرجالة الملوك ؟
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat: Ahmed, you shouldn't try to make people convince about that. It is confirmed and agreed by all Islam scholars that Muslim women cannot marry a non-Muslim (Budhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish or whatever).. We can't re-write the religion.
There are reasons for that. One of them is.. you know.. circumsion matter
in otherwords its a fatwa ruling not an actual surah or hadith.
opinions are not facts, why do "believers" allow humans to reinterpret God's law?
when I use the term "believers" I am refering to people of the book.
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat: Ahmed, you shouldn't try to make people convince about that. It is confirmed and agreed by all Islam scholars that Muslim women cannot marry a non-Muslim (Budhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish or whatever).. We can't re-write the religion.
There are reasons for that. One of them is.. you know.. circumsion matter
in otherwords its a fatwa ruling not an actual surah or hadith.
opinions are not facts, why do "believers" allow humans to reinterpret God's law?
when I use the term "believers" I am refering to people of the book.
Sono, there are surahs about that matter and Ahmed posted them. And all Islam scholars have same comment about those surahs; a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man. We cannot live the religion according to our own comments. Imagine what will happen if we do like that. Being an Islam scholar is a proffession like being a doctor. People spend their whole life for understanding the religion like a doctor who devotes his life to his profession. Can we make a surgery? Of course no... So we cannot make comments about the surahs as we like. But somebody needs to do that as some verses are not %100 clear and this is Islam scholars duty.
The biggest mistake we are doing is looking for 100% logic in religions. This is wrong. So what is the logic of believing in Allah and believing that a virgin can give a birth? Did anybody see Allah or has anybody given birth without having sex with a man?? So far no ...
You know there are 2 kinds of people. Obedients of Allah and people who say they have logic.
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat: People spend their whole life for understanding the religion like a doctor who devotes his life to his profession. Can we make a surgery? Of course no... So we cannot make comments about the surahs as we like. But somebody needs to do that as some verses are not %100 clear and this is Islam scholars duty
Dalia will pop up right now and will tell you this is fallcious
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat: People spend their whole life for understanding the religion like a doctor who devotes his life to his profession. Can we make a surgery? Of course no... So we cannot make comments about the surahs as we like. But somebody needs to do that as some verses are not %100 clear and this is Islam scholars duty
Dalia will pop up right now and will tell you this is fallcious
And then the one asking 'are you Muslim Dalia?' Posts: 2591 | From: **Ex Oriente Lux** | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote:Originally posted by $sonomod$: in otherwords its a fatwa ruling not an actual surah or hadith.
quote:after all the huge post you still say it is not based on Quran or Sunah!!!!!!!!!!
All Fatwa are based on Quran and Sunnah
are you serious? all fatwas are based on the Surahs and the hadiths? based or we talking Quranically Scientically correct according to the Surahs and STRONG hadiths?
quote: opinions are not facts
the afronmentioned is is not opinion it is Al-Aqida
quote: believers
the word beleivers are only used for Muslims no one else
Funny Osama bin Laden state the same thing, funny coincidence.
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