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Originally posted by newcomer:
Boasting about one’s achievements or qualities without acknowledging Allah’s assistance is not allowed in Islam. But boasting about one’s family and friends, meaning that one says positive things about them and makes them appear good in other people’s eyes is very much part of Egyptian culture and is also encouraged by Islam, which says that you should not disclose people’s faults, say things that they would find hurtful, nor should you be suspicious of them.

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Dear Newcomer

Thank you for always being there to answer the question that is in my mind before I have even asked it.

Having said that, I would tend to agree with Luxor Lover's and others opinion that it is not wise to share all those personal details on a public forum.

I can help you tweak that site of yours to get it to get better rankings on search engines if you like.

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
[B]Sphinxo old chum - Can you tweek better results out of this one fo her too?

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BEYOND SALVATION !!!

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
I reply because I just find it so darn frustrating to see someone who lives in Luxor be so naive and not have clue what they are talking about. Imagine it if a foreigner lived in your country for almost 2 years and saw everything in completly the wrong way. Its bloody frustrating and that is why I reply. I'm sorry if I sound negative but it is the truth and the truth is not always positive. Luxor is a city just like any other. It has its good and bad in equal measures. It is not any better or any worse. Different places are more suited to different individuals than others. If you do not understand or choose to have the same values that you would have in your native country whilst living in a completly different culture you will never know if it is suited to you. However, certain morals and standards are applicable in any given city/country. ie. not talking about your father-in-law and basically saying he is off his tree on the internet, admitting that you get blind drunk on a regular basis on the internet, asking any visitor to bring you hard spirits and then polishing off the whole bottle in one evening and putting it on the internet. If you live in Upper Egypt or profess to know the culture apply all these scenarios to that culture! That is why it frustrates me! Jane is naive she is NOT evil but she hasn't a clue what she is talking about. She has no regard whatsoever for her family. People like Jane without even knowing it make it bloody hard for any decent (by upper egyptian standards) european woman living there. Sadly they tar all of us with the same brush because the majority of the woman living in Luxor feel that they can live the same life there as they do in Europe. She is not respecting her self or her family and if Mahmood really knows every word she says then he has no respect for Jane, his family or himself either and is just as bad as her.

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If this is your opinion of Jane and you think she's naive, then how do you reason she is going start listening to you, a random person on the internet?

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
At least I can be honest and admit that I use this form soley for the purpose of entertainment. Others may use it to promote their buisness, or have questions regarding Egypt. I'm sorry but there is no way that someone would use this forum soley for helping others. If that is the case then they really need to get a life.

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So you think anyone who comes here only to try to help others really needs to get a life?

This is what they said about western women and alchohol.
"Most westerners drink.Why if they marry a man of muslim faith should the man expect them to change.He would not stop praying 5 times a day to please his western wife. It is the normal for western women to drink alchohol if you do not like this do not marry a western woman marry a muslim.His father also said "Egyptians are far more tolerant than the west is lead to believe.We live side by side with christians who regularily drink and so do many muslims.Of course we expect westerns to bring their culture here the same as we expect to find a mosque to pray in, in England.The fact that we do not drink or smoke is our choice and we would not inflict it on others"
When I asked them about photos etc on the internet, they said.
"if this was done because she is so proud of her family and their achievements it is acceptable"

I have to admit when I am in Egypt I always ask my friend about certain ways of behaving.
ie is a certain item of clothing suitable if it is a bit see through on the shoulders.
But I do not drink,do not smoke,do not show my arms,no cleavage,no signs of affection in the street (only holding hands),do not sit with my legs crossed,do not show the soles of my feet etc,etc.I am a little angel.

Which, if Carol is reading and then repeating on an open forum for the world to read, is a pretty malicious way to gossip.

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Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
So you think anyone who comes here only to try to help others really needs to get a life?

I hope you didn't mean that the way you wrote it. Yeah, poor losers who actually try to help people...

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
actually they are from ET and her diary (before she had the ggod grace to change the address) so I am not aware I am bracking any code.

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the link to my diary was posted in the Harem Lounge of ET and you are breaking the terms and conditions of the Harem Lounge talking about it. As PRchick so correctly pointed out this was a closed, women only forum with its terms and conditions clearly stated.

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Jane Akshar UK Co-owner of www.flatsinluxor.co.uk Appartments and Tours in Luxor

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
I'm sorry Akshar but I also recall you putting a link to it on your web page at one time! I have edited all my posts not because I have said anything wrong but because I feel Im going down the line of commenting where I really can't be bothered to comment anymore. We are going round and round in circles.

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Nope never put a link to it anywhere on my website. It was a private thing shared between fellow women only and who I thought were my online friends.

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
How monumentally naive is it to think that anyone on the internet is how it seems. You say it was only posted on the Harem Lounge of a Women only Forum - grow up. Did you do a sex check on everyone logged in? If you post on the internet it is for everyone to see. AND YOU ALL KNOW IT. Anyone can get into it.

SPHINXO IS RIGHT - MOTHER THERESA DIED A LONG TIME AGO. JAne on the other hand is still alive and kicking and pushing her flats. She is not an anonymous person on the internet like everyone else. She chose not to be and made her family and its problems as public as she is.

Carol you did the right thing. This is a waste of time. Jane is Jane and will continue to hurt her family while pretending that she is not doing so.

I thought she was naive but now I think it is far worse. She knows what people here think about what she is doing but she will find excuses to continue. She will not stop shaming them. All she has to do is make the same posts under another name - but she will never do that and we all know it. Before long she will invite another Blunt type attack and we all know that too. Jane will do anything for publicity.

I COULD BREAK CONFIDENCES ABOUT THE INTENDED USE OF THAT DIARY BUT I AM TOO PROFESSIONAL TO DO SO. NOTHING IS EVER AS INNOCENT AS IT SEEMS.

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Originally posted by Ge Ge:
This is all getting very boring!!!!

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Its not only boring, it is very STUPID! The awful thing is that only women are included here.

Akshar, I wouldn't even get into any discussions with someone who hears something from somewhere (and then OF COURSE it must be true).

Carol, seems to me you are logging on here to trash a special and valuable person.

Nothing else to talk about, something about Egypt??????????????????????????????????????

Everyone has his own opinion and of course is entitled too but stop accusations and insults to others.

I am VERY VERY glad that ES exists for various reasons and I am pretty sure many others here feel the same way.

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
How monumentally naive is it to think that anyone on the internet is how it seems.

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You're absolutely right about that. For instance, I don't know what Carol's identity is on the Treehouse, but after the big hoopla made over there about admins possibly seeing the posts...isn't it refreshing to see that a member of the Treehouse took it upon herself to get an new ID and start posting the contents of that private forum on this one.

You think that's "right"? Well, trusting a bunch of screen names is risky and personally I never would... why?

Because there's always a "Carol" in the bunch.

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Originally posted by Tigerlily:
Its not only boring, it is very STUPID! The awful thing is that only women are included here.

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Plus it doesn't mean we have to like what you say. We can comment on it all we like, so don't feel surprised if some people disagree with you.

Whether or not she asked permission first, is her business, and you are just assuming she didn't.

As about the other stuff...again, it's a private forum. Why are you posting the topics discussed in there on here and making them public? You take a few joking snide remarks out of context and make them out to be something it's not.

Really, it's none of your business. You said your peace to Jane in private I'm sure and now you've said your peace loudly on the internet for anyone to read.

you publish intimate details of your life on a public forum too... would it be ok for me to find who you are in real life based on the info you have provided here and then go to other forums and talk about you and
criticize your choices in life?

i don't think so. i thought by the way you freaked out thinking someone "stalked" you in real life, that you don't think so either.

yet by the reasoning you apply here, it seems that this is perfectly acceptable...after all you have published enought of the details of your life on the internet so it's open season.

LL, as hurt as you get when you're trashed on these forums (and I recall standing up for you a few times), I'm appalled at your willingness to do it to someone else, no matter how you try to justify it. If you have a "beef" with Jane, that's still no reason whatsoever to provide fodder for the people here that enjoy nothing more than taking their passive-agressive tendencies out on the internet. I don't know Jane from a man on the moon, but I think what you've done is a damn shame.

I am sure that any muslim man would not accept photo's of his EGYPTIAN wife (without hijab) posted on the internet for the whole world to see.

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Originally posted by Carol_2004:
EXPAT. As I have said before it is all on ET! I have not copied or pasted any information regarding Jane.

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I read ET. It is NOT all over ET and if it is, it is in the women's only forum. Again - if you're so quick to spread information and then claim you are only repeating what's been written by the person, why don't you provide some proof? Paste a link.

I'm sure what you referenced is all over the treehouse, which is a women's only forum that you need an account, then approval of membership and passwords to access (And yes I'm sure you could be anybody pretending to be a woman and get membership, but that's not the point). That forum takes their privacy so seriously that they banned a member who pasted another's member rather innocent comment on her private site - they considered it a breach of privacy of that site.

So I find it really interesting to learn that after making such a hoopla about their privacy issues, info posted on that forum is being repeated on this one by you and LL. Hopefully this will explain why this is pissing me off.

As I have said before, if it's posted on ES, provide a link. If it's posted on another forum, why are you gossiping?!

Ummm, you left the NEW out dear, but I assume you were referring to me. Sorry Sherlock, you're wrong this time. Back to square one. I actually 'assumed' Katrina and Carol were the same person, Katrina thought I was Debbie, I thought Kimo was Blunt and Welsafty, Welsafty thought I was Egyptian,Everyone thought Monica was ahh,,Then they thought Brian was Brian on ES on ET, but really El Magnoon was Brian on ET, I think PRChick is Jane's guardian Angel, and I thought you were married for 27 years, but you had a boyfriend for 15 years who is 20 years younger..that would have been 15 years..I have a migrain...but this is the matrix...back to real life..have fun.

This is a forum where people are supposed to exchange their views, even if it differs from others, so where is the crime in what Luxor Lover has written on this thread? Forum in Latin means "Out-of-Doors" so think about that for a minute, with all this nonsense about it was said in private, HONESTLY YOU GUYS !!!

Placing your whole life's story on the internet is asking for judgment big time and to single out Luxor Lover as the only person here who does not think that trashing your husband and your host country is an unfair attack.

Yes Luxor Lover writes stuff about her private life on the forums, but it's a darn sight more interesting read than most of the articles on this forum. She also never mentions names of those in her articles. That is the BIG difference.

Now... I kindly ask you to be partial on this line and accept other views expressed (which might not agree to those of the person that started this thread) and stop taking sides like school kids.

Who is doing the stalking now !!!!

The whole thing is a wind up.. anything to get that link viewed and at all costs, that's the bottom line here.

You guys need someone like Moko to be on your case... not someone as intellectual and kind as the person you are all attacking.

Egyptians that are attacking Luxor Lover: If you love Egypt half as much as she does, I would be very surprised indeed. I bet you don't even live in Egypt like she does.

Viva Luxor Lover

But then again, who am I to think that the world would be a much nicer place if everyone treated everyone else with respect.

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Originally posted by Luxorlover:
Thank you - whoever you are.

I never trashed Jane. Jane trashed her family and then named them. I have met some of them and so have others. I don't care what Jane writes about herself but I do care what she publishes about the Egyptians that share her life.

Nobody has to break into a forum and identify Mahmoud as there are photos of him and details of his sex life already on the net. Jane did that and then shamed the co-wife by showing her without her hijab. Are you condoning that? Do you really think that is OK? It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Egyptian women in the south and a complete lack of care for the woman that shares her husband.

If you don't mind Egyptians being shamed in this way then that is your problem. I have far more respect for my host country than to agree to that. To me it is unacceptable behaviour.

Yes I once thought that I was being stalked and I freaked. The language used was threatening and abusive. So much so that it was deleted. My 'stakler' and I are now friends. life goes that way - swings and roundabouts.

I have not abused Jane in any way. I have not threatened her and I have not sworn at her. I have simply not agreed with her actions. Mea Culpa - and in this instance I am proud of it. You cannot use people like that.

I have no skeletons in my cupcoard. You know all about Luxorlover - except who I am. That is the difference. Put Luxorlover into a serach engine and it will come up with little or nothing and I like it that way.

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LL, the point you're missing is, what business is it of yours?!?!? Who in the world made you arbiter of acceptable or unacceptable behavior, particularly within someone else's family?! Does what Jane says about her family affect your life in any form or fashion???

If you don't like what she writes, don't read it! Don't be friends with her! Don't talk to her!!! But you would instead rather get on the internet and knife her??? With friends like you...

Wasn't there some thread where you talked about what gossiping busy-bodies Egyptian women in the south are??

And please, give me a break with "Katkoot Rewesh" thing.

Jane posted this line about Judgement. She got some judgement.

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Originally posted by akshar:

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when would 'you' consider the relationship between a Western woman and Egyptian man successful

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Ahem, had to dig this one up from under a lot of %^&*@#

For me a relationship between a Western woman and an Egyptian man can be considered successful when "Western" and "Egyptian" no longer matter. When it's just a relationship between a man and a woman.

Same for any other "mixed" relationship. If you complete each other, nothing else matters.

Thank you for asking Jane

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Originally posted by Lori:
Ahem, had to dig this one up from under a lot of %^&*@#

Are you asking "me"? Well, since you ask, for me a relationship between a Western woman and an Egyptian man can be considered successful when "Western" and "Egyptian" no longer matter. When it's just a relationship between a man and a woman.

Same for any other "mixed" relationship. If you complete each other, nothing else matters.

Thank you for asking

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Nice reply, i like that. At least you didn't insist on death as the final arbitrator