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http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/2001/07/16/p6s3.htm


Polygamy goes on trial in Egypt

Philip Smucker Special to The Christian Science Monitor

CAIRO, EGYPT - The trial of an Egyptian businessman began yesterday, after he was accused of breaking the law by marrying 69 women.

The case against Ragab el-Swerkie is drawing attention to the centuries-old custom of polygamy, which is legal here as in many Middle Eastern countries. Egyptian law, based on the Koran, allows a man to have four wives. While Mr. Swerkie's case is extreme, it comes against a backdrop of growing criticism by women's groups that Egyptian marriage law favors men.


Egyptian laws passed in 1985 allow a man to have four wives, but he must inform his other wives if he plans to take a bride. If they object and ask for a divorce, they have the burden of proving to the judge that his taking of another wife will do them harm.


This requirement of proof superceded a more liberal 1979 law, relieving the woman of the burden to show harm. The earlier law allowed a woman to obtain an almost automatic divorce if she objected to an additional wife. Islamic groups successfully challenged that law and had it overturned on the grounds that it restricted a man's right under sharia (Islamic law) to keep up to four wives.


Many Egyptian women's groups contend that the current burden of proof is both too high and too vague, since the word "harm" is a subjective term wide open to individual interpretation.


"Proving that your husband's marriage to a second wife can harm you is very difficult, and it is not a reasonable burden to put on the shoulders of a wronged woman," says Amel Abdel Hedy, the director of the New Woman's Research Center.


Dr. Hedy's group is pushing for the abolishment of polygamy, which is practiced by 2 to 4 percent of Egyptian men. Nearly half of the 22 leading women's advocacy groups in Cairo have taken the same stand. The "abolishonists," as they are known, are basing their drive on a 1956 Tunisian law, which outlaws polygamy and is, its supporters claim, grounded in Islamic law.


Current sharia law in Egypt and many neighboring Islamic countries cites a passage in the Koran permitting men to "marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, or four of them. But if you fear that you cannot maintain equality among them, marry one only...."

But Hedy and the women's groups favor the Tunisian interpretation, which bases its banishment of all forms of polygamy on a later passage in the Koran: "Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially."

"What the Koran is saying is that a man's soul and his passion will be unequally divided with more than one wife, and that he will never be able to remain equitable," as the previous passage stipulates, says Hedy.


Other women's groups are taking a more pragmatic approach, says Amira Behay Eldin, one of Cairo's leading women's rights attorneys. "They favor a return to the 1979 law as a means of preserving a man's theoretical right to have more than one wife," she says.


The Egyptian government approved a so-called "new marriage contract" last year, which was designed to appease the concerns of women, particularly the ability to request that a husband not take a second wife. The new "contract" permits a man and woman to enter into a marriage with a signed agreement that the husband may not take a second wife.


But Ms. Eldin is highly skeptical of this contract as a basis for change. She says it does not have the force of law, and besides, Egyptian men and their families do not accept the idea of preconditions being put on a betrothal. Egyptian men prefer to "keep their options open," she says, in order to marry a second wife in the case that the first wife is barren.


Nor does the contract address the problems created by unofficial and secretive "Urfi" marriages - the kind Swerkie had. Urfi marriages are based on mutual acceptance, and they require two male (or one male and two female) witnesses, along with the payment of a dowry. These marriages, while technically legal in Egypt, usually are not registered with a government clerk. They also allow men to forgo most of their legal obligations to spouses and to divorce on extremely short notice.

Under Egyptian law, an Urfi marriage still does not exempt a man from having to inform his other wives about any subsequent betrothal.

Swerkie, who allegedly married 11 women this year alone, was apparently able to exploit Egyptian law by marrying the women and divorcing them as quickly as several days later - thus staying within the legal limit of four wives.


Eldin, who is following the case closely, says Swerkie likely crossed the legal line twice. "He did not wait the required three months after divorcing his fourth wife before marrying the next," she says. "That would have given him five wives, technically.


"In addition," Eldin says, "he apparently did not report his Urfi marriages to the registrar when making an official marriage. By failing to report the other wives, he essentially perjured himself. Beyond that, he clearly did not understand that under Islam you enter into the idea of a permanent marriage contract, not something that you can dispose of in a day or a week."

Nasr Farid Wasel, Egypt's grand mufti - the highest religious official in the land - has commented in the state-run media that Swerkie's greatest mistake may have been his cavalier approach to the institution of marriage. Such oversight by a husband, while not necessarily a crime, is considered a "sin" in the eyes of Allah.

(c) Copyright 2001. The Christian Science Monitor


Okay this should make someone think once while on vacation.


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Although this was an extreme case, it was said to be more political than anything else as he was a religious man who was becoming successful in business; he was the owner of Al-Tawheed wa Al-Noor a successful chain store that sells cheaper household goods than the government store Omar Effendi, and undercuts them. Apparently, the complaint was only raised by one of his wives, not all of them or even many of them, the rest apparently had no complaints!
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quote:
Originally posted by newcomer:
Although this was an extreme case, it was said to be more political than anything else as he was a religious man who was becoming successful in business; he was the owner of Al-Tawheed wa Al-Noor a successful chain store that sells cheaper household goods than the government store Omar Effendi, and undercuts them. Apparently, the complaint was only raised by one of his wives, not all of them or even many of them, the rest apparently had no complaints!


Thanks for the back ground information.

I think we all know why the other wives didn't complain. But oh well.


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quote:
Originally posted by newcomer:
Although this was an extreme case, it was said to be more political than anything else as he was a religious man who was becoming successful in business; he was the owner of Al-Tawheed wa Al-Noor a successful chain store that sells cheaper household goods than the government store Omar Effendi, and undercuts them. Apparently, the complaint was only raised by one of his wives, not all of them or even many of them, the rest apparently had no complaints!

Yes beacourse woman are for sale i think muhammed (PHU) know that when he make that law...and that's why much woman convert

woman are slave!! is that one of a sign of the day of jugment !!!!!!!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by sonomod:


I think we all know why the other wives didn't complain.


..... because of a nice fully-equipped kitchen????????


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quote:
Originally posted by Tigerlily:
..... because of a nice fully-equipped kitchen????????

No Tigerlilly, its because this Egyptian man was behaving like a Gulf Arab on a year round vacation. And to take this idea a little further who could be hooking Gulf Arab men up with innocent young women, or be directly connected to who is a 'Madamee'.

I am not upset with your comment, but the situation. This would never happen in Germany.

What really pisses me off about this phenomenom is the fact that these girls probably are virgins when they first get married and if a rich man is going to take an Orfi wife and pay well for it he's going to take a virgin. That means the parents are complicant with the scheme, while the young girl is not.


Makes you want to see a list of parents who do this to their daughters and go around slapping mother's with the soles of your shoes and kicking some greedy fathers in the nuts. How dare they, they are not just bartering off their daughters but the whole of Egypt.!!!!


Possibly the trial was meant to scare certain parties who make their living off of this to take a lower profile so the government doesn't have to clamp down on it.

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I mentioned this discussion and article to my husband, who happens to know the idiot on trial. He said any woman who marries him is more foolish than the perpetrator. Shame on the families that barter their daughters into such a union, and the law. I have yet to see equality in relationships with more than one wife.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadya:
I mentioned this discussion and article to my husband, who happens to know the idiot on trial. He said any woman who marries him is more foolish than the perpetrator. Shame on the families that barter their daughters into such a union, and the law. I have yet to see equality in relationships with more than one wife.

I have yet to see equality in relationships with more than one wife.

Thats the first and probably the only thing I will agree with that you could type.

And with the grudge and misunderstanding you have of Egyptian women I wouldn't doubt your husband knows this same parasite.


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quote:
Originally posted by Shadya:
I mentioned this discussion and article to my husband, who happens to know the idiot on trial. He said any woman who marries him is more foolish than the perpetrator. Shame on the families that barter their daughters into such a union, and the law. I have yet to see equality in relationships with more than one wife.

Anyone notice, this article is 4 years old!


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quote:
Originally posted by newcomer:
Anyone notice, this article is 4 years old!



I noticed when I posted it. Still happens as we speak. Of course in any corner of the world.


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quote:
Originally posted by sonomod:
I have yet to see equality in relationships with more than one wife.

Thats the first and probably the only thing I will agree with that you could type.

And with the grudge and misunderstanding you have of Egyptian women I wouldn't doubt your husband knows this same parasite.


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you can say what you like because this is a forum for everyone, but what you say still means nothing to me. Have a nice life.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shadya:
[B] Sonomod
you can say what you like because this is a forum for everyone, but what you say still means nothing to me. Have a nice life.


Salam Shadya,

Sono is a typical unhappily married creature who loves to muck all and everything thing that is moslem specially those who are happily married.
If she did not find that, she would result in digging up **** from every hole she finds.

May Allah cleanse her heart, for her daughter's sake.


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quote:
Originally posted by salama:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shadya:
[B] Sonomod
you can say what you like because this is a forum for everyone, but what you say still means nothing to me. Have a nice life.


Salam Shadya,

Sono is a typical unhappily married creature who loves to muck all and everything thing that is moslem specially those who are happily married.
If she did not find that, she would result in digging up **** from every hole she finds.

May Allah cleanse her heart, for her daughter's sake.


And Allah personally gave you the mission of trashing Christianity?

Man look at all those threads hating Christians.

Why couldn't you use the beauty of Islam in order to convince people to convert rather than trash Christianity?

And salama is your ancestory Greek or Turk that migrated over to Egypt? Just a question. Besides I have a pretty good idea already.


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