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Originally posted by mody:
Whew!u gave me mind's ease ,it would of been a problem if it was true,and i was going to bitch at everyone in the embassy for making suck rule ,but lucky them,they r safe now....
thanks guys

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If she is English take the above advice, if she is another nationality seek advice with the correct national.

For Americans as soon as the Egyptian foreign service office has sent the correct paperwork back to the American INS office then things are good. But sometimes a foreign service office with European countries really fight the paperwork. The foreign service office with America in Cairo does a decient job.

I depends. Its policy, and its the attitude in the office of the particular foreign service sector.

b) if your ID says u r single, don't mention the marriage u have (I did the same and I am still on the loose )

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Originally posted by Paint Me As I Am:
u may be married by ur laws..but not by ours.. she would have to register the marriage in the USA to make it legal..so if she didn't she still free woman in our country.. and even if she did register the marriage in USA that doesn't guarentee u getting a Visa to USA. call the american embassy in cairo or go and visit them with ur questions.. I did while i was there..Good luck....Jannah

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You are completely wrong
http://cairo.usembassy.gov/consular/marriage.htm

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The marriage certificate is recognized as a legal document in the United States and many other countries.

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Originally posted by newcomer:
Hi akshar!

Is there some confusion here? The link you gave is referring to the Ministry of Justice marriage, with a no-objection statement from the Embassy. I read the initial posting from mody as saying that he had got a local court registered civil marriage like yours, as he thought that he couldn’t get one done in Cairo due to the time and residence conditions he was told about. If that is the case then the type of certificate he has won’t be recognized outside Egypt. But he should still contact the embassy to make sure of this.

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Originally posted by newcomer:
Hi akshar!

Is there some confusion here? The link you gave is referring to the Ministry of Justice marriage, with a no-objection statement from the Embassy. I read the initial posting from mody as saying that he had got a local court registered civil marriage like yours, as he thought that he couldn’t get one done in Cairo due to the time and residence conditions he was told about. If that is the case then the type of certificate he has won’t be recognized outside Egypt. But he should still contact the embassy to make sure of this.

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I read it slightly differently but I totally agree it is the Embassy he should contact. people often talk abotu an Embassy marriage when actually there is no such thing so does make for confusion. The embassy simply provide a no object statement. This is required for foreigners getting married by the ministry of foreigner affairs. The marriage is then legal in the home country. However becasue nobody back home would understand an Arabic marriage certificate you have to get it translated and registered with the embassy. This does not change the legal status of the marriage it merely makes it easy to prove in a non Arabic country.

This is the problem with a centralized government system. However, if you try to go round the rules my guess is that it may not be quite as easy as you seem to think it will be, as getting a visa into the UK isn’t that easy these days for anyone from an Arab country. Alex is only a few hours from Cairo, it doesn’t seem worth making problems over that distance, when it might cause months, if not longer, of delays with the visa.

[ http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1067967335955 ]

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Originally posted by mody:
well,i'm still doing the papers for the egyptian civil marriage,and the lawyer told me he wants another 200 LE to go on,don't know why!just gave him another 200,so if not doing the civil marriage will help then it's okay i will stop it

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
More papers for what if I may?!?!?!? Is your lawyer gathering the autographs of all pharaohs on it????? We paid LE 200 for the lawyer to legalize our marriage certificate in the Egyptian court, that's all (the green BIG paper). Please tell your lawyer to go to hell. Any type of Egyptian marriage paper will mean NOTHING abroad in the light of international law UNLESS it is performed in the Ministry of Justice (I am getting seizures while typing this...LOL). Your fiancée does not have to camp in Egypt for 3 months to get legally married, she just needs a stamp in her passport, like extended visa. Charming people in the M of J will tell you where to go to get it. Read the requirements on the American Embassy/Consulate webpage and stop freaking out. We all did it, you can do it too! Mabrouk.

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Originally posted by akshar:

Karah, as always you are a breath of fresh air and very funny

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Non Egyptian (here on know as NE) needs to ensure that they have CERTIFIED copies of any previous divorces/death certificates of former spouse before proceeding.

You will also need photocopies of all used pages in NE's passport, the Egyptian National's (know now as NE) ID card photocopied and at least 8 passport sized photos of each of you.

First port of call is the Embassy of the NE to get the 'No Objection' letter. This normally takes 24 hours. This is the most expensive part of the process to make sure you have lots of cash on you.

Whilst you are waiting for this to be processed, visit the joys of the labyrinth that is the government building near the Museum (cant remember its name but it is HUGE!) You need the 2nd floor, window 17. The NE will be required to complete an extended visa application, supply passport, photocopies and photo whilst the EN goes off in search of stamps to the value of about 17le).

Wait 2 hours (just time to have a quick look around the Museum opposite)

Pick up passport from 2nd floor window 38 then find a Post Office and puchase a 50le stamp. (You will require this later)

Next day, go and fetch the No Objection letter and pray that it has a translation with it. NE will be interigated by the consul of her country and informed that the prospective spouse is a money grabbing person who only wants a visa.

Smile pleasantly at Consul, sign forms and then leave.

You are now almost ready to get married.

EN needs to take the papers to Tahr Square (yes, it looks like a bike shed) where he will hand over a small amount of money to get a stamp.

Now you require 2 male Egyptians to act as witnesses, one of whom MUST speak the language of the NE.

Make you way to the 4th floor of the Misery of justice building (annexe) and make your reason for attending known to the man who is sitting at a desk.

You will spend the next 2 to 3 hours going in and out of offices, nodding, asking if you are married yet, waiting, drinking the foul tea or expensive Fanta from the waiter and smoking yourself into an early grave.

Various small amounts of money will be requested, things will get signed, your thumb will be stained purple and yes....you are ALMOST married.

You have to come back in 7 days time to collect 2 of the 5 pages of the marriage papers and then run all over Cairo getting a few more stamps and then yes

YOU ARE NOW LEGALLY MARRIED.

In the UK, there is no legal requirement to register the papers with the UK Embassy in Cairo but it is suggested that you do so (at a cost of £20) incase you require copies once back in the UK..

Hope this helps someone, anyone.....

I also had the extreme pleasure of going through additional running around as my husband is Palestinian and his embassy also needed to handle some "paperwork" haha

One thing you forgot to mention is that those guys who serve the foul tasing tea and over priced fanta may NOT act as witnesses. Just so anyone contemplating this idea, is not left "standing at the alter" 5 minutes prior to office closing times, while hubby is out frantically trying to round up witnesses from off the street.

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Originally posted by mody:
i'll tell u what has happened,we wanted to marry,but she didn't have all the papers to go to the embassy and do it,so we wanted to marry a civil egyptian marriage,so i went to a lawyer,he said he will do an orfi marriage and register it at the law court,and when he wanted to do that next day he said me or her have to file a law suit against each other or something like that and it will take like 2 monthes,i said well,okay.
and now he is saying she has to be here or send him an authorization(to speak by her name)or something like that,and when i saw that and your replies to me i said to him cancel it,i'll go to the embassy!!!
sounds fucked up,isn't it?

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Didn't you tell him to please go to hell yet????

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Originally posted by arun79:
Hi everyone,
I mus be commin out of the blues here, was jus reading all the posts here and it is really informative, i mus thank you all for the information provided. Iam an Indian man in london n met my girl of dreams here she is egyptian and we love each other a lot. She is in egypt now n i want to marry her iam ready to convert to muslim. I jus wanna know if its possible for an Indian to marry an egyptian girl? and what documents as proof of my religion would i have to submit as i wud be converting now. Most of the posts i found here were NE women marrying egyptian men, i would be really greatful if anyone can tell me if its the same if a NE man has to marry an Egyptian woman. I really love her n miss her a lot, n so does she. Inshaallah i hope to marry her soon and spend the rest of my life with her. Salam

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Oh never mind. I thought I had a good answer to your question, but I don't. I would think you could talk to someone at her family mosque and profess your belief in one God and the prophet Muhammad, (even if you have already converted in England)and they could tell or give you what you need.

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Originally posted by RaniaMe:
Arun, you can't change officially your first name, if it's what you mean. You can choose a muslim name if you want, and ask to be called with it, but on all your official papers, your original name will be written.
As for your other question, I know when I'm going to get married, I will have to go to a Mosque to get a paper from there saying I'm a muslim. That's it. I wish you the best in your life, and congratulations!!

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If you are a British citizen it is possible to change your full name by deed poll, i.e. by going to court. However, as a Muslim it is not required for you to change your name unless it has a bad meaning according to your new faith. But if you do change it you are only allowed to change your first name, as you must retain your last name to show your family connection. This applies to both Muslim man and women; and women should not change their name even after marriage. Many new Muslims do change their name as they want to feel more affiliation with Islam, but it is not required.

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Originally posted by arun79:
thanks for the wishes snoozin and the quick reply, i have another question regarding the change of name...would i have to change it in my passport also or will the document that i have recieved from the mosque here would be enough to prove that i have changed my religion. I don't have a problem changin my name in the passport but iam sure it ain't gonna be an easy process and would take time, so if it is necessary to do that then i would start doin it right away...n if u don't mind you can gimme the advice u had in mind for me but which u didn't tell...thanks once again..

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