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Great, you posted this Laura, I was going to post a suggestion for the forum, since we have so much love here! There was a section in another forum I use to visit, it is called Fight club, anybody got issue with anyone they take it there, it was lightly moderated, and only posters with 100 post or so can enter, so people can vent there. It was good idea, because people can take their personal issues out of a good thread, that get deleted entirely, because some decided to fight in it.
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I am still waiting for new smileys as also for the option that each member can upload own avatars. ~ TL
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It would be nice for you to personalise your own page i have had a look and it is possible i have had a look at other forums that rent of this and they have much more varity .But maybe they are saving on their bandwidth
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quote:Originally posted by refreshed: ubb.classic 6.7.3
Its the last version and flavor of UBB.
All of what has been requested above is not technically possible with this software.
When sammy (or his real name) upgrades to 6.7.3 the database was not upgraded, so in fact this forum has two databases.
Sooner or later it will not be possible for web hosters to service this version of software. Google might not be able to place ads on this site.
I've seen the source code on ubb classic, I know because you must purchase the software and license there are diehard UBB supporters.
This is the best it gets lasses.
This is right and of course means some money for upgrading. What about collecting some money for our forum, instead of hitman? Posts: 2591 | From: **Ex Oriente Lux** | Registered: Jan 2007
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat': This is right and of course means some money for upgrading. What about collecting some money for our forum, instead of hitman?
It isn't a matter of money, its a matter of technical feasibility.
UBB pre version 6 uses a unix database, UBB 6 and later uses a MySQL database and not all MySQL databases can be migrated.
I migrated databases for 6 months. Not all data can be retrieved and migrated.
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quote:Originally posted by refreshed: ubb.classic 6.7.3
Its the last version and flavor of UBB.
All of what has been requested above is not technically possible with this software.
When sammy (or his real name) upgrades to 6.7.3 the database was not upgraded, so in fact this forum has two databases.
Sooner or later it will not be possible for web hosters to service this version of software. Google might not be able to place ads on this site.
I've seen the source code on ubb classic, I know because you must purchase the software and license there are diehard UBB supporters.
This is the best it gets lasses.
You might wanna refresh your technical information as its 100 % wrong first this not the last version of ubb its last perl/cgi version it use one database other one is archiving which under the main one last but not least its upgradable to php its matter of time and decision made by sam to change the subscription to a new type of forums
i already wrote migration plan P.s google migrating ubb classic you will see a lot of guides
the rest of the requests will come with the new version of forum what ever it was ubb 7 or other
cheers amr
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thank you Amr for removing the Gucci shoes!
They really didnt suit you
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its the pubic hair in the veggies and cheese at Carrefour that would REALLY put me off and one would need to be SO careful with the chopping machine at the meat counter
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Makbeta: [QB] I've been on ES exactly for a year today. I wonder what it'll be like a year on from now...
you know i don't know whether to congratulate you or commiserate with you anyway well done makbeta oh btw AMR you would'nt look good with a beard
shanta! nude shopping at tesco that curiously appeals in some way Posts: 3945 | From: ' Res Contr ' Amor non es guirens, lai on sos poders s'atura | Registered: Dec 2007
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Sooner or later it will not be possible for web hosters to service this version of software. Google might not be able to place ads on this site.
BULLSHIT. Google Adwords will work as long as the HTML can be interpreted by your browser.
And the website can always be taken off the hosting company's server and hosted privately. Alternatively they can just get a co-lo server (i.e. own server + shared data centre infrastructure scheme) with the hosting company that will host this version of UBB even though the hosting company may not normally offer that service anymore to its customers.
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quote:Originally posted by 'Shahrazat': This is right and of course means some money for upgrading. What about collecting some money for our forum, instead of hitman?
It isn't a matter of money, its a matter of technical feasibility.
UBB pre version 6 uses a unix database, UBB 6 and later uses a MySQL database and not all MySQL databases can be migrated.
I migrated databases for 6 months. Not all data can be retrieved and migrated.
This guy is a cowboy!
Only cowboys say dumb things like "Not all data can be retrieved and migrated". If the data is there on the 'puter, an (appropriately) educated software engineer can get at it and if push comes to shove and you can't do a direct database migration then there is some ETL tool out there to help you transform the data into whatever you want it to look like (and if there isn't, darn it! write it! and put it on sourceforge AND freshmeat for all to download for free. ).
GTFOH cowboy! Posts: 1819 | From: odesco baba | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by refreshed: ubb.classic 6.7.3
Its the last version and flavor of UBB.
All of what has been requested above is not technically possible with this software.
When sammy (or his real name) upgrades to 6.7.3 the database was not upgraded, so in fact this forum has two databases.
Sooner or later it will not be possible for web hosters to service this version of software. Google might not be able to place ads on this site.
I've seen the source code on ubb classic, I know because you must purchase the software and license there are diehard UBB supporters.
This is the best it gets lasses.
You might wanna refresh your technical information as its 100 % wrong first this not the last version of ubb its last perl/cgi version it use one database other one is archiving which under the main one last but not least its upgradable to php its matter of time and decision made by sam to change the subscription to a new type of forums
i already wrote migration plan P.s google migrating ubb classic you will see a lot of guides
the rest of the requests will come with the new version of forum what ever it was ubb 7 or other
cheers amr
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Amr is right. I didn't see it as internet jargon. The link at the very bottom of every forum page "Powered by UBB blah" takes you directly to the ubb home page. Latest and greatest version is 7.4 which is php/mysql based.
This forum is running the latest of the "classic" version (perl/cgi based), which can be migrated easy enough to 7.4
I fail to see why it's something to argue over. I think it's great they are looking at upgrading as the current software is rather dated.
Heck it can even be migrated to other forum software (free open sourced stuff), all it takes is a plan, some scripts and time... pretty easy stuff for your average admin Posts: 409 | From: Betelgeuse | Registered: Oct 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Ford Prefect (not perfect): Amr is right. I didn't see it as internet jargon. The link at the very bottom of every forum page "Powered by UBB blah" takes you directly to the ubb home page. Latest and greatest version is 7.4 which is php/mysql based.
This forum is running the latest of the "classic" version (perl/cgi based), which can be migrated easy enough to 7.4
I fail to see why it's something to argue over. I think it's great they are looking at upgrading as the current software is rather dated.
Heck it can even be migrated to other forum software (free open sourced stuff), all it takes is a plan, some scripts and time... pretty easy stuff for your average admin
As I stated before I had looked into this and its obvious no one has:
UBB.classic (formerly Ultimate Bulletin Board or UBB ) was an Internet forum software package originally written by Ted O'Neil of Groupee, Inc. in 1996 . It is written in Perl and used a flat file database . The last version of the software was 6.7.3, and was maintained by Charles Capps until he left Groupee in early 2006.
[ edit ] End of life
At one time the hallmark of all message board software, UBB.classic has seen its market share steadily decline, largely due to the growing number of database -driven forum software written in PHP , such as vBulletin and Invision Power Board . In 2001, Groupee (then known as Infopop) acquired WWWThreads, which was renamed UBB.threads . UBB.threads, which is written in PHP and uses a MySQL database, was offered as a higher-end complement to UBB.classic for about five years, but in the end, the two products became internal competition. Groupee announced that the 6.7 series would be the last version of UBB.classic. In the summer of 2005, Groupee announced plans for a new product that was supposed to replace UBB.classic as well as UBB.threads , and would use PHP / MySQL like UBB.threads.
On March 30, 2006, Groupee, Inc. announced that the previously announced replacement product would be called UBB.threads v7 and not a completely new product. [ 1 ] However, much of the code of UBB.threads v7 is completely new since version 6 and incompatible with previous versions, and any "upgrade" from a UBB.classic or UBB.threads v6.x board would require an import as if it were a completely new product. UBB.Classic became an " end of life " and was no longer sold or supported on June 15, 2006.
This is the important part:
However, much of the code of UBB.threads v7 is completely new since version 6 and incompatible with previous versions, and any "upgrade" from a UBB.classic or UBB.threads v6.x board would require an import as if it were a completely new product.
Again for the hard of reading comprehension:
However, much of the code of UBB.threads v7 is completely new since version 6 and incompatible with previous versions, and any "upgrade" from a UBB.classic or UBB.threads v6.x board would require an import as if it were a completely new product.
Now Ford Prefect (Jeremy) have you known anyone or known any online community that has migrated from UBB classic 6.x to UBB threads 7.x?
I have. A nice bitchy, narly, always flamming Israel/Palestinian forum which was not webhosted for obvious reasons and had to steal bandwidth to be available because the server was self-hosted in the occupied terriotories.
If the admins/owners were willing to break telecommunication laws they would've put the effort into fixing the import.
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#4414 - Fri 31 Mar 2006 05:00 AM End of life for UBB.classic
MJB Elite Audiotooler Registered: Fri 24 Nov 2000 Posts: 3452
Loc: Audiotoolers What is Happening to UBB.classic?
UBB.classic will no longer be developed, and an end-of-life date has been set for June 15, 2006. From that date forward we will no longer develop or offer support for UBB.classic.
UBB.threads Version 7.0 will be released as an alpha on May 10, 2006. The public beta version is expected to be released on June 15, 2006. The upgrade to UBB.threads 7.0 will require a data import. It is not a simple software update from UBB.threads Version 6.
UBB.classic is being terminated, effective June 15th. UBB.classic license holders may continue to use the product, but development and support will cease on that date.
So basically this board will no longer be developed, updated or upgraded. UBB.threads is very similar to the other board that we trialed a short time ago so please bear in mind that at some point we will consider going back to that board as it merges with the existing site whereas UBB.threads is an independant product. -------------------------------------------------------------------
Lord Sauron UBB is propriety, sourceforge.net and freshmeat are open source projects.
Groupee is no longer supporting or developing UBB classic and the software is commercial, let alone patented meaning to alter, develop UBB classic or UBB threads is breaking copyrights. Talk to WIPO.org about this.
Then there is the fact that Perl threads are a pain to convert to PHP, I'd like someone to show me proof that is has been done. Perl is client side and PHP is server side. But until I see how Perl can be converted to PHP good luck.
Then there's the fact that UBB classic is a flat database and UBB threads is a PHP databse.
Cgi is as old as Perl, cgi is obviously used with PHP but the databases are different.
Keep in mind this forum has been around since 1996, try to find a thread on this forum from before 2004 (that is not on internet archive). Its obvious that there are a few members from 2000 but after the upgrade ESers who hadn't posted since 2003 had to create new profiles. Hence why I stated there are two databases of this forum.
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Again, why argue about it? "Migrating" is easy, just time consuming. Perl behind a CGI is not client side. PHP is not a database.
Flat file db's are very easy to manipulate by writing a script to create an SQL file based on that flat data, import it into the new mysql db and voila you have a db with all the old data that works with the new software. It's basic sysadmin 101 stuff.
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Screen scraping to build an archive of threads, just dump it into text form.
Yes some flavor of PHP, vBulletin looks most promising.
Since there are so many copy and pasters here why not build a portal over a bunch of chat rooms (non-permenant much like the java based chat now). But use either:
And instead of a control panel why not a PHP based dashboard?
Let the content and features take precedent over the boorish characters. This forum still behaves like ezboard.
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There have been 2 new forums created using this version, correct?
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: There have been 2 new forums created using this version, correct?
There is UBB 5.45c (which is broken on ES profiles won't migrate) and UBB 6.7.3 which the latest threads are supported by.
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lOl sono do you think sam banned you because your technical argue with me haha now once you go for php it would be better SEO based which technically would bring more ads and money
once you go php you can easily integrate portal for it like for example ubb web site
about the chat its whole operated concept you can easily built php / mysql flash or even better for nice refresh rate flash /php client side mysql database side
php based dashboard is a control panel just been made with php
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I do not understand any of this "techie talk".
In easy english, is there a possibility that some new changes can/will be made in the near future?
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: I do not understand any of this "techie talk".
In easy english, is there a possibility that some new changes can/will be made in the near future?
yes there will be already deiced wating for new software for forum to be bough then starting migration plan. expected time frame unknown due the fact i am not the one who gona buy it but i already stated i will do the migration for free cheers amr
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quote:Originally posted by Laura: I do not understand any of this "techie talk".
In easy english, is there a possibility that some new changes can/will be made in the near future?
yes there will be already deiced wating for new software for forum to be bough then starting migration plan. expected time frame unknown due the fact i am not the one who gona buy it but i already stated i will do the migration for free cheers amr
And what will the new flavor of BB actually be?
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Do you know what software they are looking at Amr, and user features for it?
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quote:Originally posted by Amr-: lOl sono do you think sam banned you because your technical argue with me haha now once you go for php it would be better SEO based which technically would bring more ads and money
once you go php you can easily integrate portal for it like for example ubb web site
about the chat its whole operated concept you can easily built php / mysql flash or even better for nice refresh rate flash /php client side mysql database side
php based dashboard is a control panel just been made with php
Its used often for business intelligence and LMS learning management systems.
Still you don't have an answer for how you are going to migrate data from a patented commercial software like UBB to PHP.
I've looked into this before and provided proof above as to how this isn't possible without wrangling with groupee.
You don't own the source code to legally devise a migration tool.
I work in IT and I don't often get involved in "techie cage fights", but I have seen a perl driven portal "migrated" to a php portal. And that was with commercial support from the developer. Desire2Learn took 2.5 years past the deadline to get up and running and instead of migrating the old system the old system was scrapped.
Much like you cannot find a ES thread older than 2004 on this board, it wouldn't migrate.
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i dont wanna be rude sono but i can only point you to were you read this not a tech forum http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=7574 your migration plan is the following 1- migrate from ubb classic to phpbb 2 2- then upgrade from phpbb 2 to phpbb3 3- convert phpbb3 to vb forums or what ever
quote:Originally posted by Amr-: i dont wanna be rude sono but i can only point you to were you read this not a tech forum http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=7574 your migration plan is the following 1- migrate from ubb classic to phpbb 2 2- then upgrade from phpbb 2 to phpbb3 3- convert phpbb3 to vb forums or what ever
cheers
I understand this isn't a tech forum.
But there was a lot of erronous comments above.
When the mods migrated in 2006 to ver. 6.7.3 it did have all the threads going back to 2001. But the older threads didn't function well, it was obviously 2 databases.
I saved/downloaded the forum in 2005 and 2006 I can see the difference.
And I did look at the hyperlink you posted. Read pg 1, 2, and 44. Up to ver 6.3 and 6.0 and 6.2 were massive errors. It doesn't look like the converters worked ans there are links to more than a few converters.
Again UBB is a commercial product. You cannot use the source code unless you are a developer and it appears that is why the converters on that 44 page thread dated 2002 isn't working.
I do know in 2004, 2005, 2006 the main hacker of ES used a honey pot with the same version of UBB to get into the database.
I suggest you look into "honeypot" proofing whatever version you are migrating to.
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If the forum owners and or admin, know that the forum has been hacked, do they have a responsibilty to advise the members of this?
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migrating is already done by alot of people now error fixing is another story its based on your experience nothing more nothing less and i think the correct word you looking for not honeypot its clone and of course will be done before things go production Posts: 206 | From: Afghanistan | Registered: Aug 2008
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And all of this on the love & marriage-section... our God has made strange members... Posts: 7202 | From: EU | Registered: Nov 2006
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