Once again I am going to remind poeple that alot of the reconstruction is based off artistic merit. When reconstructing the facial thickness they rely upon modern ethnic groups and use certan models set in place by anatomist.
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Here is a website developed by a person who works in the field of reconstructions. This is what people should take into consideration when using the reconstructions:
The purpose of forensic facial reconstruction is to produce an image from a skull which offers a sufficient likeness of the living individual that it will facilitate identification of skeletal remains when there are no other means available. Although facial reconstruction had begun in the nineteenth century, the method gained notoriety with the work of Gerasimov (1968), depicted on film in Gorky Park. These traditional 'plastic' methods (Isçan and Helmer 1993, Snow et al. 1970) use modelling clay or plasticine to build up the depth of tissue on the skull (or a cast of the skull) to that of a living individual. Tissue depths are known for 'landmark' sites on the skull; the depths elsewhere are interpolated between these points (Figure 1) and then into the interstices (Figure 2). The shape of the eyes, nose and mouth cannot be confidently predicted and are largely guesswork (Figure 3). Even for skilled practitioners, plastic reconstructions take one or two days. The results obtained will differ between reconstructions and between practitioners.
The tissue depth measurements used tend to be those collected from cadavers in the early part of the twentieth century, or before. These measurements are biased because they come from small samples, because a dead person's tissues are not the same as in life, and because they take only limited account of the average differences known to occur between people of different age, build and sex, and between the major human diversity aggregates. For over a century, forensic artists and scientists have been attempting to improve the quality of facial reconstructions from the skull, efforts which have met with very limited success. Most recently, computerised methods for 3D facial reconstruction have been developed (Ubelaker and O'Donnell 1992, Vanezis et al. 1989, Shahrom et al. 1996, Miyasaka et al. 1995). These methods employ computer programs to transform laser-scanned 3D skull images into faces
Facial reconstruction is destined to remain an art, albeit an increasingly informed one. The shape of the face bears only a restricted resemblance to the underlying bone structure. Facial reconstructions are inherently inaccurate, therefore, and cannot be used as a positive proof of identification ? certainly not in a court of law. Like many things in archaeology, a facial reconstruction is a scientifically-informed artistic recreation ? an interpretation. Nevertheless, a forensic facial reconstruction has value in potentially allowing the exclusion of a particular individual as the unidentified subject and, most importantly, in acting as a stimulus for recollection of an absent neighbour, friend or relative. In this sense, the accuracy of the image may not be as important as allowing the investigating agencies to benefit from timely media attention and the public eye.
Mazigh is a Riffian Berber I believe. He is Moroccan.
Caucasoid is too narrow a bracket to describe all of Northern Africa.
Thought Writes:
If by "Caucasoid" he is referring to populations with narrow faces and noses and less prognathism then we must keep in mind that this has little to do with lineage or genetic relationship. As Keita has pointed out East, West, North, South and Central Africans are ALL closely related in any global genetic analysis based upon the Y Chromosome PN2 clad. Modern Africans are variable. The further we move back in time, the less variable the African population and the less variable the global human population. The baseline human genetic and phenotypic variability is rooted in Black Africa as is the social, religious and political systems of the world. Northern Eurasians overran the ancient Black high cultures of Africa and Asia, destroyed the existing social systems and grafted the extant knowledge of Black people, claiming it as their own.
quote:Northern Eurasians overran the ancient Black high cultures of Africa and Asia, destroyed the existing social systems and grafted the extant knowledge of Black people, claiming it as their own.
Black high cultures of Asia? Are you reffering to the Aryan invasion in India? Dravidians?
Would you consider the Hykos Northern Eur-asians? From my knowleadge they were probably Caanite populations with a Hurrian element. Some debate about wheather it was through gradual infiltraition or invasion.
Can you give me some examples of how they grafted the knowleadge?
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Black high cultures of Asia....Are you reffering to the Aryan invasion in India? Dravidians?
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Sure, but examples closer to home would be the Elamites and/or the Sabeans.
quote:Originally posted by ausar:
Would you consider the Hykos Northern Eur-asians? From my knowleadge they were probably Caanite populations with a Hurrian element. Some debate about wheather it was through gradual infiltraition or invasion.
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Most agree that there was a Indo-European speaking element. At ay rate stating that they were Canaanite in no way negates the fact that there was a Eurasian back-migration from Europe into SW Asia following the introduction of neolithic technology into Europe. The influx seems to have BEGAN gradually, then we see invasions following.
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Can you give me some examples of how they grafted the knowleadge?
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Perhaps with the publication of this book it can finally be regarded as fact that Egypt's influence on modern theology is most strongly perceived through Christian beliefs and practices.
I will primarily be focusing here on the direct ceremonial parallels between the modern Roman Catholic Church and ancient Egyptian ceremony. In both systems, there is a great pride in tradition and the detailed specificity with which rituals are carried out. While all forms of Christianity display strong parallels to the rituals of ancient Egypt, perhaps the strongest examples can be seen in Roman Catholicism.
It might be said that it is impossible to compare ancient Egyptian practice with a religion which occurred much later and which on the surface appears to be entirely different. However, the case may be made that, like a staircase, each evolutionary step builds upon the one before it. Literary and historical evidence of the route can be directly traced to ancient Egypt.
Generally around 2250 B.C.E. invaders came through the English Channel "from Libya, by way of Spain, Southern and Northern France, or by way of Spain, Portugal and Brittany..."
At different periods in the second millennium B.C.E., a confederacy of mercantile tribes, called in Egypt 'the people of the sea,' were displaced from the Aegean area by invaders from the northeast and southeast; that some of these wandered north, along already established trade routes, and eventually reached Britain and Ireland; and that others wandered west, also along established trade routes, some elements reaching Ireland by way of West Africa and Spain. Still others invaded Syria and Canaan, among them the Philistines, who captured the shrine of Hebron in southern Judea from the Edomite clan of Caleb, but the Calebites, ...allies of the Israelite tribe of Judah, recovered it about two hundred years later and took over a great part of the Philistine religion at the same time."
Ancient travelers were widely dispersed from North Africa, where all evolutionary theorists agree that human life began, carrying with them their traditions and customs. Therefore, religious hermeneutics can only be properly achieved through acknowledgment of the source material. The incantations from The Book of the Dead, for example, began circa three thousand B.C.E., much earlier than any Biblical works; yet The Bible is seen as the seat of all morality.
However, the importance of the Egyptian sway can no longer be denied. It has prompted great thinkers like Siegfried Morenz, Director of the University of Liepzig Institute of Egyptology, to remark that "the influence of the Egyptian religion on posterity is mainly felt through Christianity and its antecedents. Egypt's contribution to the Old Testament is actually a product of that country's relationship with Syria; its contribution to the New Testament, indeed, even to early Christian theology, must be seen as a special instance of that general influence exerted by Egypt upon the Hellenistic world." It is that influence which will be explored herein in terms of modern day practices of particularly the Roman Catholic Church in order that the true nature of religion as a whole may be elucidated.
Sure, but examples closer to home would be the Elamites and/or the Sabeans.
The Aryan Invasion theory is disputed by most people in India as a tool of British imperilism. Some are saying know that the Indus Valley civlization did not crumble from an Aryan invasion but from weather conditions.
There is much dispute about who populated the Indus Valley. Perhaps the ancestors of modern Dravidians but we will not know untill decipherment of Indus Valley script. Has there been any studies on remains from the Indus Valley?
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Most agree that there was a Indo-European speaking element. At ay rate stating that they were Canaanite in no way negates the fact that there was a Eurasian back-migration from Europe into SW Asia following the introduction of neolithic technology into Europe. The influx seems to have BEGAN gradually, then we see invasions following.
Do you have any citations for this? I can definately see European back migration from Europe from the Philistines. Philistines are believed to have been people from Crete.
What archaeological evidence do we have of such back-migrations?
I have not read the book about the Egyptian origin of Christianity. From my reserch I can definately see how the concept of Ausar was melted into Christian theology. Definately passages from the Old Testament desend from ancient Egyptian wisdom literature. Definately also such icons as Maria Lactans comes from Auset sucking Heru[Horas]. Catholicism to some is not considered as real Christianity. However,the first Christians are thought to have originated around Antioch.
Can you give other specific examples?
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There is much dispute about who populated the Indus Valley. Perhaps the ancestors of modern Dravidians but we will not know untill decipherment of Indus Valley script. Has there been any studies on remains from the Indus Valley?
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Of more relevence is who populated southern Mesopatamia originally. The genetic evidence of the M clade of mtDNA and ancient history indicate that at one point in time Black populations extended from Africa to India. Remember the Two Ethiopia's Homer spoke of....
Do you have any citations for this? I can definately see European back migration from Europe from the Philistines. Philistines are believed to have been people from Crete.
What archaeological evidence do we have of such back-migrations?
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Tracing European founder lineages in the Near Eastern mtDNA pool.
Am J Hum Genet. 2000 Nov;67(5):1251-76
Institute of Molecular Medicine, University of Oxford, Oxford; and Department of Biology, University College London, United Kingdom. M.B.Richards@hud.ac.uk
Founder analysis is a method for analysis of nonrecombining DNA sequence data, with the aim of identification and dating of migrations into new territory. The method picks out founder sequence types in potential source populations and dates lineage clusters deriving from them in the settlement zone of interest. Here, using mtDNA, we apply the approach to the colonization of Europe, to estimate the proportion of modern lineages whose ancestors arrived during each major phase of settlement. To estimate the Palaeolithic and Neolithic contributions to European mtDNA diversity more accurately than was previously achievable, we have now extended the Near Eastern, European, and northern-Caucasus databases to 1,234, 2, 804, and 208 samples, respectively. Both back-migration into the source population and recurrent mutation in the source and derived populations represent major obstacles to this approach. We have developed phylogenetic criteria to take account of both these factors, and we suggest a way to account for multiple dispersals of common sequence types. We conclude that (i) there has been substantial back-migration into the Near East, (ii) the majority of extant mtDNA lineages entered Europe in several waves during the Upper Palaeolithic, (iii) there was a founder effect or bottleneck associated with the Last Glacial Maximum, 20,000 years ago, from which derives the largest fraction of surviving lineages, and (iv) the immigrant Neolithic component is likely to comprise less than one-quarter of the mtDNA pool of modern Europeans.
quote:Originally posted by Giza-Rider: One Negro face and the two Caucasoid North Africans.
Have you ever been to North Africa?
don't focus on the colour and the skin, but on the head back. the skin is based on the modern egyptian skin, and he even looks like a egyptian woman, i find. but the quetion is: can you find any head back like as that of tut at any white man ? try it !
i'm north african = berber (Amazigh).
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quote:Originally posted by walklikeanegyptian: well they apparently didn't base the racial identity only on the skull or Tut would clearly be labeled "negroid".
Of course they did. And they determined that . . .
quote:Originally posted by ausar: The skull was a North African.
'Nuff said.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: In terms of phenotype, the classification of Tut is based on a single feature - period.
You're an illiterate moron - period.
"Vignal deduced that Tutankhamun had a narrow nose, buck teeth, a receding chin, and Caucasian features. Such features are typical of European, North African, Middle Eastern, and Indian peoples."
quote:This is not a Caucasian profile:
Actually, it is: projecting convex nose, no prognathism, prominent chin, thin lips. The only things in Sadat's appearance that suggest Negroid admixture are his hair type and skin tone. His facial morphology is entirely Caucasoid.
quote:Originally posted by Mazigh: don't focus on the colour and the skin, but on the head back.
He's wearing a hat, so we don't know what his head is shaped like. He also has prognathism, everted lips, and a flat low-rooted nose -- traits not present in the Caucasoid King Tut.
quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: He's wearing a hat, so we don't know what his head is shaped like. He also has prognathism, everted lips, and a flat low-rooted nose -- traits not present in the Caucasoid King Tut.
i don't know much about his remains, but i believe the reconsruction would be based on the remains of his skull (thus, neither hat nor coffin, i believe). in addition, it is clearly that the two (at least) reconstuctions -the frensh and the american as long as the the egyptian reconstuction above don't show his head back- didn't despute his long head back.
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quote:Originally posted by neo*geo: Another N. African caucasoid
caucasoid is an ideological term, it seems to be. it should be avoid when we speak about north africa. because "white" doesn't mean "caucasoid", i understood.
"Vignal deduced that Tutankhamun had a narrow nose, buck teeth, a receding chin, and Caucasian features. Such features are typical of European, North African, Middle Eastern, and Indian peoples."
Dr. Susan Anton told me personally via email that the crania of Tut-ankh-amun had avelouar porgnathism. She only said that what was unusual was the nose opening and that everything else was 'African'. I would also email the French team who examined the crania but it was Dr. Susuan Anton thatis often touted as working with Tut-ankh-amun's remains without knowing his idenity. The French and Egyptian team knew.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Dr. Susan Anton told me personally via email that the crania of Tut-ankh-amun had avelouar porgnathism. She only said that what was unusual was the nose opening and that everything else was 'African'. I would also email the French team who examined the crania but it was Dr. Susuan Anton thatis often touted as working with Tut-ankh-amun's remains without knowing his idenity. The French and Egyptian team knew.
Thought Writes:
Dr. Anton's analysis simply indicates the need for more multi-disciplinary anlaysis. Had she traveled to East Africa she would have noticed that millions of Black East Africans have long heads, prognathism, Black skin, narrow faces and narrow noses just like Tut! Had she studied the genetic research of Underhill and Hammer she would know that these modern Black East Africans carry these features because of in situ environmental and cultural developments.
Dr. Anton's analysis simply indicates the need for more multi-disciplinary anlaysis. Had she traveled to East Africa she would have noticed that millions of Black East Africans have long heads, prognathism, Black skin, narrow faces and narrow noses just like Tut! Had she studied the genetic research of Underhill and Hammer she would know that these modern Black East Africans carry these features because of in situ environmental and cultural developments
You should email her with this information. I personally don't understand or know alot about genetic studies or the current research in this area.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Evil Euro: Actually, it is: projecting convex nose, no prognathism, prominent chin, thin lips. The only things in Sadat's appearance that suggest Negroid admixture are his hair type and skin tone. His facial morphology is entirely Caucasoid. [QUOTE]
You are flatly dishonest. You know quite well that Caucasians have a high nose bridge.
Anwar Sadat does not.
You know quite well that Anwar Sadat has prognathism: having jaws that protrude past his upper face. Are you a blind moron or WHAT?!
Having a convex nose is immaterial. Plenty of Negroids have this feature.
And what prominent CHIN are you talking about? What the hell are you seeing in this picture that no one else see's but you.
quote: Ausar said: Dr. Susan Anton told me personally via email that the crania of Tut-ankh-amun had avelouar porgnathism. She only said that what was unusual was the nose opening and that everything else was 'African'. I would also email the French team who examined the crania but it was Dr. Susuan Anton thatis often touted as working with Tut-ankh-amun's remains without knowing his idenity. The French and Egyptian team knew.
This ends the discussion as far as I am concerned. The media labeled King Tut as Caucasian not the anthropologist that did the reconstruction. Clearly the reconstruction is of a person of African descent with African features except for the Nose, which happens to also be African it is just more commonly found amongst people of a more northern latitude.
Predominantly Negroid.
1. Prognathism 2. Skull shape. 3. Low nose bridge 4. Recessive chin 5. Thick lips (as evidenced from the people that actually saw him alive). 6. Dark skin (as evidenced from the people that actually saw his skin color). 7. Curly hair (again, those that actually saw his hair).
One single trait different: Narror nose.
Enybody thats educated knows we shouldn't believe everything we read in the newspapers or magazines and here's proof.
Beware, the Nazi occult is live a doing quite well.
This ends the discussion as far as I am concerned. The media labeled King Tut as Caucasian not the anthropologist that did the reconstruction. Clearly the reconstruction is of a person of African descent with African features except for the Nose, which happens to also be African it is just more commonly found amongst people of a more northern latitude.
Can you define "northern latitude", for we know about other African regions that share the same latitudes with East Africa, including the African Horn. Would these regions, particularly in West Africa, be considered "northern latitudes"?
quote: Predominantly Negroid.
1. Prognathism 2. Skull shape. 3. Low nose bridge 4. Recessive chin 5. Thick lips (as evidenced from the people that actually saw him alive). 6. Dark skin (as evidenced from the people that actually saw his skin color). 7. Curly hair (again, those that actually saw his hair).
One single trait different: Narror nose.
Exactly one of the reasons why the pseudo-scientific term of "Negroid" is pointless. That "narrow nose" cannot be singled out from the individual bearing it. For instance, the brown eyes or dark hair of a European cannot be singled out from the individual bearing it, just because another European might have blue eyes and a blonde hair. And what about my earlier question about other Africans, not to mention global communities, who frequently bear the so-called narrow nose? Should such features be singled-out in each of these populations, and deemed not indicative of their features, whatever that means?
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There's a reason why louis gosset jr., a black man, played anwar sadat on film.
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Dr. Susan Anton told me personally via email that the crania of Tut-ankh-amun had avelouar porgnathism.
The French team interpreted that as brachygnathism (buck teeth) and classified him as Caucasoid based on his overall morphology.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: You know quite well that Caucasians have a high nose bridge. Anwar Sadat does not.
Of course he does, moron. He also has a high nasal root, which is characteristic of Caucasoids. Open your f*cking eyes. There's nothing remotely Negroid about that long hook nose.
quote:You know quite well that Anwar Sadat has prognathism: having jaws that protrude past his upper face.
His head is tilted back in that photo, stupid.
quote:The media labeled King Tut as Caucasian not the anthropologist that did the reconstruction.
Still don't know who to read, huh?
"Vignal[the forensic expert from the French team]deduced that Tutankhamun had a narrow nose, buck teeth, a receding chin, and Caucasian features. Such features are typical of European, North African, Middle Eastern, and Indian peoples."
quote:Originally posted by Mazigh: i don't know much about his remains, but i believe the reconsruction would be based on the remains of his skull (thus, neither hat nor coffin, i believe).
I was talking about the Congolese man with the "long head" that you posted. He's wearing a hat, so the shape of his head can't be determined. And his other features are totally unlike those of King Tut.
quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: I was talking about the Congolese man with the "long head" that you posted. He's wearing a hat, so the shape of his head can't be determined. And his other features are totally unlike those of King Tut.
the whole structure of the face looks like King Tut. why don't you open your fucking eyes?
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That's my point how could Egyptians be white when Blacks are the ones who were cornrows, braids, locs, etc... White people have a hard time trying to get these hairstyles because their hait is too straight.
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Caucasian Blacks my ass that's fucking retarded. "They might have the same color skin as blacks around the world but their white" If that's the case invite a Somali or Ethiopian to stay in your house. Invite them out to racist areas. Hell, take them to a KKK rally and say that are inductees. LOL>.... I'm sure they would be well accepted.
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quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: I was talking about the Congolese man with the "long head" that you posted. He's wearing a hat, so the shape of his head can't be determined. And his other features are totally unlike those of King Tut.
He really is blind. He really can't see the braids on that picture? He thinks thats a HAT?
EvilE you're a Blind moron!
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quote: EvilE said: "Vignal [the forensic expert from the French team] deduced that Tutankhamun had a narrow nose, buck teeth, a receding chin, and Caucasian features. Such features are typical of European, North African, Middle Eastern, and Indian peoples."
Did Vignal use the team: North African Caucasoid? If not, then shut the hell up!
Clearly the American forensic team is more reliable, especially since they were not made bias with a preconceived idea of the racial classification of the specimen.
quote: Mrs Anton: so for me the skull overall, including aspects of the face, spoke fairly strongly of his African origins - the nose was a bit unusual.
EvilE: RIP you suck ass distorter!!!!
Let me translate that for plebian spastic case EvilE:
Overall the reconstruction of Tut appeared Negroid except for the unusual nose. If it wasn't for the nose then the classification would have been simply African, but because of the Nose the classification was "probably North African".
Anyone with eyes can see why the reconstruction by the American team was designated African - as in Negroid - except for the nose. Only a mentally tortured occultist with a weak ego would argue with that.
We also know that the American reconstruction was not bias because it was a blind reconstruction.
How many nails do we need to put into this coffin!
quote: EvilE said: His head is tilted back in that photo, stupid.
Okay, now I am starting to have pity for you. Perhaps you are either mentally challenged or legally blind. I will try to be more tolerant of you short comings.
In order to try to help you see the picture a bit bett I have done some editing. I rotated the picture 30% and croped it a bit.
The chin becomes less prominent and we still have prognathism. Quite low Nasal bridge. Besides that rather narrow nose, those features are very commonly Negro.
Compare it to this Sub-Saharan African with no prognathism and a prominent chin:
Sorry but you and your kind are a bunch of looney spastic cases.
Nazi inspired racial classification systems are full of crap.
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I guess Annan must be Caucasoid too. Doesn't appear to have prognathism and he appears to have a prominent chin. Just doesn't have that narrow nose of Anwar Sadat.
NOT!
Stupid racial classification system. Hell, Annan is probably Chinese according to the stupid system EvilE and Hor goes by.
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quote:Originally posted by THR TRUTH: He is not wearing a hat. Those are cornrows in his head. Stupid.
I suppose the visor at the top of his forehead is a "cornrow" too.
quote:Originally posted by walklikeanegyptian: the whole structure of the face looks like King Tut.
Incorrect. The Congolese has facial prognathism. King Tut does not. The Congolese has a flat, low-rooted nose. King Tut does not. The Congolese has thick, everted lips. King Tut does not. They look nothing alike.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: Mrs Anton: so for me the skull overall, including aspects of the face, spoke fairly strongly of his African origins
"African" is meaningless, you dumb faggot. That's like saying someone is racially "Asian". We need to know what part of the given continent the individual is tied to. And in the case of Tut, Anton's team determined it was the northern part. That isn't Negroid. It's Caucasoid, as the French and Egyptian teams correctly stated.
quote:The chin becomes less prominent and we still have prognathism. Quite low Nasal bridge. Besides that rather narrow nose, those features are very commonly Negro.
Blind bitch, this is what prognathism and a low-bridged, low-rooted Negroid nose look like:
This is what no prognathism and a high-bridged, high-rooted Caucasoid nose look like:
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You really are blind. What visor dumb ass? Just past his forehead begins his cornrows, which are a form of braids. See we blacks can braid hair flat against the head as well even to the side. Dumb Ass. You are a racist 50 to 60 yead old man who is just a senile bitch. **** you. blind bitch.
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You really are blind. What visor dumb ass? Just past his forehead begins his cornrows, which are a form of braids. See we blacks can braid hair flat against the head as well even to the side. Dumb Ass. You are a racist 50 to 60 yead old man who is just a senile bitch. **** you. blind bitch.
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quote:Originally posted by THR TRUTH: You really are blind. What visor dumb ass? Just past his forehead begins his cornrows, which are a form of braids. See we blacks can braid hair flat against the head as well even to the side. Dumb Ass. You are a racist 50 to 60 yead old man who is just a senile bitch. **** you. blind bitch.
since i am not a dumbass i can't speak for him but i think he thinks that large foreheads are "visors". i want to post a pic of me here but of course he'll make racist comments about it and i will cuss him out and get banned.
"African" is meaningless, you dumb faggot. That's like saying someone is racially "Asian". We need to know what part of the given continent the individual is tied to. And in the case of Tut, Anton's team determined it was the northern part. That isn't Negroid. It's Caucasoid, as the French and Egyptian teams correctly stated.
If I go up to someone on the street and told them: "This person has features that strongly speaks of their African origin except for a European nose", the average non-bias, IQ greater than 70, and not affiliated with some strange Aryan type occult, will say that the person has features that are predominantly Black but with a Caucasoid nose. But no not ARSE holes like EvilE.
If someone says you have a European nose, everybody understands that because it is a generalized description. It also follows that the African features were generalized as well. In general, saying someone has an African appearance means - Negroid. Just a dumbass like EvilE tries to make it an ambigous statement.
If you have features that speak strongly of African origins, features that distinguish you from Europeans, Middle Eastern people and East Indian people, these features must be Non-Caucasoid features. The only choice we have is to call these features Negroid since that is the term used for unique African features. The features that were considered non-African are features that are common to people in Europe, the Middle East and India (narrow nose and high nose bridge).
Only morons and intentional distorters can't understand that.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: If I go up to someone on the street and told them: "This person has features that strongly speaks of their African origin except for a European nose", the average non-bias, IQ greater than 70, and not affiliated with some strange Aryan type occult, will say that the person has features that are predominantly Black but with a Caucasoid nose. But no not ARSE holes like EvilE.
If someone says you have a European nose, everybody understands that because it is a generalized description. It also follows that the African features were generalized as well. In general, saying someone has an African appearance means - Negroid. Just a dumbass like EvilE tries to make it an ambigous statement.
If you have features that speak strongly of African origins, features that distinguish you from Europeans, Middle Eastern people and East Indian people, these features must be Non-Caucasoid features. The only choice we have is to call these features Negroid since that is the term used for [b]unique African features. The features that were considered non-African are features that are common to people in Europe, the Middle East and India (narrow nose and high nose bridge).
Only morons and intentional distorters can't understand that.[/B]
i agree. if he had caucasian features, Susan Anton would have said something like "Tut has features which speak strongly of his EUROPEAN or CAUCASIAN origins". but saying his features speak of his African origins is saying that his features are easily recognizable as African, which they are.
quote:Originally posted by osirion: If I go up to someone on the street and told them...
Yes, let's base our conclusions on how "someone on the street" would interpret the results, and ignore how experts in the field interpret them.
Post a reference to one of the three recent Tut reconstructions that describes him as "Negroid" or "Black". Until one of you apes can do that, there's nothing more to debate . . .
"Vignal deduced that Tutankhamun had a narrow nose, buck teeth, a receding chin, and Caucasian features. Such features are typical of European, North African, Middle Eastern, and Indian peoples."
But we already knew he was Caucasoid, because all Ancient Egyptians were Caucasoid:
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