The "Golden City" Nubti, Predynastic Kemet renamed Naqada culture
Burial practices show bodies positioned facing West (left) for the setting Sun, indicating ANCIENT PRACTICE of Solar Worship within the Nile Valley Civilizations.
Ancient Nile Valley Civilization.
NUBTI:
used to be an important caravan town - it was here that the 40 days caravans from Sudan or Nubia met the caravans carrying gold from the mines in the eastern desert . In Ptolemaic times (from the 3rd century BCE until early 1st century CE) Kom Ombo (Nubti) was the training ground for army elephants. Today only a small town remains, noted for its sugar production and the many Nubians who settled here after their villages were inundated by the Aswan High Dam in the 1960's.
The temple of Kom Ombo (Nubti) is unique in one respect: it is dedicated to two gods, and the entire temple holds two perfectly symmetrical sections. The sanctuary to the left is dedicated to the falcon-headed sky god Harwer (also written Haroeris), or Horus the elder and his family. The one to the left is dedicated to Sobek, the crocodile god, also worshipped in Fayyum. history.
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Hmm. "Nubia" may be from the mdw ntr NWB.t and is applied to at least 1/3rd of Sudan. The site where predynastic cultures are named after in the limestone parts of the Lower Nile Valley bears the modern Arabian name Naqada. Thus we have
of the northern most sandstone part of the Lower Nile Valley. This is in the Egypt/Nubia dichotomy though no major differences existed in the southern limestone and northern sandstone region until late Naqada II and classic A where politico-cultural boundaries begin to be drawn at Gebel es Silsila (roughly half way between Edfu and Elephantine).
This "boundary" is an important point because the first unified dynasty did not claim territory south of it as belonging to T3wy, it belonged to TaSeti.x3st which is why when T3wy control extended further and further south, the sepat (nome) encompassing that territory was dubbed TaSeti.nwt.
But I digress, back now to Naqada the namesake of the cultures apposed to "Nubia". What was Naqada called before the Arabs? Well the Greeks named it Ombos. The people of the land itself knew it as NWB.t (Nubia). This rightful indigenous name is denied, lied, and subliminalized by Egyptologist and historians because how could they appose Nubia to Nubia?
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The "Golden City" Nubti, Predynastic Kemet renamed Naqada culture
Ancient Nile Valley Civilization.
NUBTI:
used to be an important caravan town - it was here that the 40 days caravans from Sudan or Nubia met the caravans carrying gold from the mines in the eastern desert . In Ptolemaic times (from the 3rd century BCE until early 1st century CE) Kom Ombo (Nubti) was the training ground for army elephants. Today only a small town remains, noted for its sugar production and the many Nubians who settled here after their villages were inundated by the Aswan High Dam in the 1960's.
Hotep
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quote:But I digress, back now to Naqada the namesake of the cultures apposed to "Nubia". What was Naqada called before the Arabs? Well the Greeks named it Ombos. The people of the land itself knew it as NWB.t (Nubia). This rightful indigenous name is denied, lied, and subliminalized by Egyptologist and historians because how could they appose Nubia to Nubia?
Thanks Hotep2u
Bwahahahahaha! Where are your ws.t Gods of Egyptology now?
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Note that Kom Ombo on this map is Naqada (NWB.t) the much raved about site that the three predecessor cultures of dynastic Egypt are named after. It was the capital of the nome (sepat) TaSeti. TaSeti is what they call Lower Nubia, though by that they mean only south of the 1st cataract. To the AE's, Taseti included the nome TaSeti.nwt and the south riverain uplands TaSeti.x3st. But it's all Noobt! No?
The "Golden City" Nubti, Predynastic Kemet renamed Naqada culture
Burial practices show bodies positioned facing West (left) for the setting Sun, indicating ANCIENT PRACTICE of Solar Worship within the Nile Valley Civilizations.
Ancient Nile Valley Civilization.
NUBTI:
used to be an important caravan town - it was here that the 40 days caravans from Sudan or Nubia met the caravans carrying gold from the mines in the eastern desert . In Ptolemaic times (from the 3rd century BCE until early 1st century CE) Kom Ombo (Nubti) was the training ground for army elephants. Today only a small town remains, noted for its sugar production and the many Nubians who settled here after their villages were inundated by the Aswan High Dam in the 1960's.
The temple of Kom Ombo (Nubti) is unique in one respect: it is dedicated to two gods, and the entire temple holds two perfectly symmetrical sections. The sanctuary to the left is dedicated to the falcon-headed sky god Harwer (also written Haroeris), or Horus the elder and his family. The one to the left is dedicated to Sobek, the crocodile god, also worshipped in Fayyum. history.
Hotep
So I guess we should rename the Naquadan period to the Nubt period or Nubian period?
Nubt was also the home of Set worship, with the crocodile diety you mention possibly being an early form(?). Either way, Nubt is also the primary home of Set worship from predynastic times. If it was also the home of Horus worship, then it is certainly would be cosmology coming full circle.
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My bad and my apology for confusing Ombos/Naqada/Nubt of nome 5 with Ombos/Kom Ombo/Nubt of nome 1. For some reason they both bear the same classical, i.e., Greco-Roman era, name Ombos and the same R3n Mdw name NWB.t.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Note that Kom Ombo on this map is Naqada (NWB.t) the much raved about site that the three predecessor cultures of dynastic Egypt are named after. It was the capital of the nome (sepat) TaSeti. TaSeti is what they call Lower Nubia, though by that they mean only south of the 1st cataract. To the AE's, Taseti included the nome TaSeti.nwt and the south riverain uplands TaSeti.x3st. But it's all Noobt! No?
quote:Did "Nubians" really speak a Nilo-Saharan language?
I feel curious to why ancient Egyptian does not belong to the Nilo-Saharan group, but instead the Ethiopian-derived Afrasan group. Egypts lies in the Nilo-Saharan region.
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The Nilo-Saharan and Afrasan regions overlap.
Nilo saharans live as far East as Ethiopia, Afrasans as far West as the West coast of Africa [Chadic as well as Berber].
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To answer that, practically all African language macrophyla are "Ethiopian-derived." The point of origin locus varies from near where the Central African Republic, Chad, and Sudan border each other to where Sudan and Ethiopia border each other between the Blue Nile and Sobat-Baro rivers.
From the first page of this thread (26 March, 2006 03:44 PM):
quote: Remember Dalby's affinities and fragmentation approach to African languages which relate Afrisan and Nilo-Saharan as joint members in a Northern Area of Wider Affinity. And if we adopt Greenberg's genetic treeing of African languages we still have to take Baldick/Williamson/Behren's opinions of an undifferentiated "protoAfrican language" originating in the Gharb Darfur region as ancestral to proto-Afrisan, proto-NiloSaharan, and proto-MandeCongo into account.
From the Ehret: African Language Family Histories thread:
quote: ... the most probable origin place of each of the African language families lay in one composite African region, comprising the southern Middle Nile Basin, the adjacent western and southern parts of the Ethiopian highlands, and certain nearby areas of East Africa (Ehret 1984; Blench 1993).
Rules of language, not geography, are what places Ancient Egyptian into Afrisan (the former Afro-Asiatic Greenberg group). Chadic, spoken in the Sahara, also falls under Afrisan. Songhai, spoken along the Niger river, is classed by the Greenberg school as Nilo-Saharan not Niger-Congo.
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Too bad I just discovered this thread today because I recently interviewed French linguist Claude Rilly who according to mainstream scholarship has identified the relatives of Meroitic which are NorthEastern Sudanic Nilo-Saharan languages. I asked him a few questions about it though, and he told me that previous attempts to link Mero with Nilo-Saharan were done with material collected from unreliable linguists and that his own work mostly relies on the comparative method.
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Too bad I just discovered this thread today because I recently interviewed French linguist Claude Rilly who according to mainstream scholarship has identified the relatives of Meroitic which are NorthEastern Sudanic Nilo-Saharan languages. I asked him a few questions about it though, and he told me that previous attempts to link Mero with Nilo-Saharan were done with material collected from unreliable linguists and that his own work mostly relies on the comparative method.
You missed it; you could have shared your personal correspondence with Rilly here, whose work was discussed here:
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