quote:Does any body have any info. on the Egyptian invasion of Europe?
I've heard of hypotheses suggesting Egyptians settling on Greece, explaining the prescence of pyramids in the Greek countryside. Other than that, I've don't know of Egyptians invading the European subcontinent.
"Recent excavations at Avaris (modern Tell ed-Daba'a), have even revealed remains of a palace decorated in the style of those on Crete! This has suggested to the excavator, Dr. Manfred Bietak of the University of Vienna, the strong presence there of Minoan (Cretan) royalty.This palace appears to date to the period soon after the Egyptian king Ahmose drove the Hyksos into Palestine about 1550 BC. It is thought possibly to have belonged to a Minoan princess sent to marry the Egyptian king. Obviously she and her servants from Crete would have been very light-skinned. On the other hand, there were also certainly black-skinned people in the Delta at the same time. Nubian pottery has been found in one area of Tell ed-Daba'a, which strongly suggests that Nubian troops were also living there in large numbers. Black people were probably also living on Crete and mainland Greece at the same time, for at Pylos in Greece black-skinned warriors wearing contemporary Cretan and Mycenaean Greek armor are depicted in the palace frescoes, suggesting that African troops were being used not only by the Egyptian king but also by his European counterparts across the sea. "
quote:Originally posted by Supercar: From elsewhere...
"Recent excavations at Avaris (modern Tell ed-Daba'a), have even revealed remains of a palace decorated in the style of those on Crete! This has suggested to the excavator, Dr. Manfred Bietak of the University of Vienna, the strong presence there of Minoan (Cretan) royalty.This palace appears to date to the period soon after the Egyptian king Ahmose drove the Hyksos into Palestine about 1550 BC. It is thought possibly to have belonged to a Minoan princess sent to marry the Egyptian king. Obviously she and her servants from Crete would have been very light-skinned. On the other hand, there were also certainly black-skinned people in the Delta at the same time. Nubian pottery has been found in one area of Tell ed-Daba'a, which strongly suggests that Nubian troops were also living there in large numbers. Black people were probably also living on Crete and mainland Greece at the same time, for at Pylos in Greece black-skinned warriors wearing contemporary Cretan and Mycenaean Greek armor are depicted in the palace frescoes, suggesting that African troops were being used not only by the Egyptian king but also by his European counterparts across the sea. "
Yeap, being mindful of such misinformation tactics can't be overemphasized; sometimes, you just have to sift the relevant substance at hand...out of the choas.
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Also notice that the article distinguishes the Minoans as being "light-skinned" in contrast to the Egyptians.
I take it then that the author considers the Egyptians to be somewhere in the middle of the "light-skinned Minoans" and the "black-skinned Nubians", perhaps a "brown-skinned" people. LOL But wait, weren't Minoans and Greeks classified as being a "brown Mediterranean race" as well as Egyptians and Ethiopians??
Anyway, despite the Eurocentric mess the Greeks themselves during that time did not distinguish the Egyptians from the Nubians since both peoples were called 'Aethiopians'. In fact early Greek legends like the Iliad say that an Ethiopian King Memnon took part in the Trojan War. And in the Greek myth of Heracles (Hercules) Heracles slew the Ethiopian king named Busiris. Of course all of these Kings were Egyptian also and NOT Nubian unless someone wants to make the argument that Egypt's neighbors south had more an active role in relations with Greece and the Mediterranean than Egypt itself which was right there on the Mediterranean.
I would not be surprised at all if these "black-skinned" soldiers in Mycenaean Greece were from Egypt and not 'Nubia'.
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I would not be surprised at all if these "black-skinned" soldiers in Mycenaean Greece were from Egypt and not 'Nubia'.
To deny the African origin of Grecian civilization the Eurocentrists attack Martin Bernal's book: Black Athena. This book has nothing to do with Afrocentrism. In the two volumes published thus far, Bernal maintains that Semites from Phoenicia and the Semitic Hyksos speaking rulers of Egypt, took civilization to Greece, not Black Africans.
J.A. Rogers in Sex and Race, Parker, Diop and DuBois on the other hand, are Afrocentric scholars. These scholars have reviewed the writings of the classical authors, the anthropological, linguistic and historical evidence to reach the conclusion that the ancient Greeks were blacks and that the European Greeks learned the liberal arts and sciences from their "black ancestors" who first settled Greece and the Egyptians.
According to the Olympian Creation Myth the earliest groups to appear on earth were the Libyco-Thracians .The Libyans were Proto-Saharans, as were the original Thracians. Some Thracians were descendants of the Kushite and Egyptian troops established at Trace, by Sesostris (Thutmose III or Ramses II), when he conquered Asia and Europe.
Sorry Clyde, but I know of no myths which speak of African Thracians (the people who live to the northwest of Greece). And the earliest Greek myths relate to paleo-European and neolithic Anatolian ones.
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Greek mythology makes many references to the founding of certain Greek places and family lines by Africans. This is no secret. In particular the Danaids are the best known example and Aeschylus pens their epic in his The Suppliant Maidens where the Argive king himself is taken aback by the fact of pre-Hellene African colonizers
For whatever it's worth here's more on a different Libyan group than the Danaids who were related to the Greeks. We should keep in mind that the HAW NBW confederacy with the Rebu (Libu) was in the making long before their 14th century BCE invasion attempts against T3.mry.
quote: THE OLYMPIAN CREATION MYTH
At the beginning of all things Mother Earth emerged from Chaos and bore her son Uranus as she slept. . . .
b. Her first children of semi-human form were the hundred-handed giants Briareus, Gyges, and Cottus. . . .
c. The Libyans, however, claim that Garamas was born before the Hundred-handed Ones and that, when he rose from the plain, he offered Mother Earth a sacrifice of the sweet acorn.
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1. This patriarchal myth of Uranus gained official acceptance under the Olympian religious system. ... Briareus ('strong') was also called Aegaeon, and his people may therefore be the Libyo-Thracians, whose Goat-goddess Aegis gave her name to the Aegean Sea.
Cottus was the eponymous ancestor of the Cottians who worshipped the orgiastic Cotytto, and spread her worship from Thrace through out North-western Europe. These tribes are described as 'hundred handed', perhaps because their priestesses were organized in colleges of fifty, like the Danaids and Nereids; ... . . .
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3. Garamas is the eponymous ancestor of the Libyan Garamantians who occupied the Oasis of Djado, south of the Fezzan, and were conquered by the Roman general Balbus in 19 B.C. They are said to have been of Cushite-Berber stock, and in the second century A.D. were subdued by the matrilineal Lemta Berbers. Later they fused with the Negro aboriginals on the south bank of the Upper Niger, and adopted their language.
They survive today in a single village under the name of Koromantse. Garamante is derived from the words gara, man, and te meaning 'Gara' state people'.
Gara seems to be the goddess Ker, or Q're, or Car, who gave her name to the Carians, amog other people, and was associated with apiculture. Esculent acorns, a stape food of the ancient world before the introduction of [grains], grew in Libya; and the Garamantian settlement of Ammon was joined with the Northern Greek settlement of Dodona in a religious league which, according to Sir Flinders Petrie, may have originated as early as the third millenium B.C.
Both places had an ancient oak-oracle. Herodotus describes the Garamantians as a peaceable but very powerful people, who cultivate the date-palm, grow [grain], and herd cattle.
Robert Graves The Greek Myths New York: George Braziller, Inc., 1959 (edition) vol. 1 pp. 31-33
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