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You're allowing yourself to be blinded by your hatred of Semitic people and exempling the statement "**** for brains."
In my first post I'd already pointed out the Hebrew has nothing to do with Pepi's question however you (with your more than obvious hatred of Semites) and others (with their mistaken Christian spin offs) lame brainedly continued to lambast the Hebrew word amen.
For those whose interest lies in etymology showing how the ntjr Amen bears no relation to the Hebrew word '-M-N, I've provided them what they need. Too bad for you that it debunks your bankrupt hateful idealogy.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: You're allowing yourself to be blinded by your hatred of Semitic people and exempling the statement "**** for brains."
In my first post I'd already pointed out the Hebrew has nothing to do with Pepi's question however you (with your more than obvious hatred of Semites) and others (with their mistaken Christian spin offs) lame brainedly continued to lambast the Hebrew word amen.
For those whose interest lies in etymology showing how the ntjr Amen bears no relation to the Hebrew word '-M-N, I've provided them what they need. Too bad for you that it debunks your bankrupt hateful idealogy.
Any intelligent person reading my remarks on this subject will know that they are not even remotely related to my opinions regarding "Semites" but rather in the order of responding to the topic. My remarks are not in any way related to an emotional response to the topic, only to its actual reality. There is nothing that I have said that can be refuted, save for the conflicting evidence, if it is at all available. You actually have no counter argument...
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quote:Originally posted by Mustafino: ...Substitute Truth, instead. It works just fine.
I love to talk to 'religious' folk, and whenever they come up with the rote statement about "Amen," I always spring the quote from Revelations on them, and then I watch them squirm mentally for a rationale to make their idea of "Amen" meaning truly or verily fit their ideology. (If you really want to see a "christian" squirm; point out the passage in Matthew, where Jesus says he came to earth not to bring peace but war/a revolution!)
quote: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things say the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God
"Christians" pretend that they cannot read a sentence correctly, if it doesn't conform to their rote learning:
"The Amen"; this statement referring to "Amen" is preceded by the article "the" which is specific in that "Amen" is the subject; it then proceeds to tell us that;
1) the subject "Amen", is a faithful and true witness and 2) "Amen" is the beginning of the creation of God it is obvious that we're talking about an entity!
Now, if we were to be or pretend to be stupid, we can say that "Truth" is this 'entity.' Christian/Biblical BS
But the beautiful thing about all of this is that the topic regarding the Kememou "Amen" and what/who it was, wasn't even related to the Bible or Christianity; it was related to Kemet. And PEPI_KHEM seems satisfied with the answer to his question. Christians, go pray...
Yess indeed Wally i'm satisfied with the learnable answer you gave me
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Al-Takruri is right on the money as usual when it comes to Hebrew words and etymology. I suggest you stop letting your love (obsession) of Egyptian culture blind you the relevant fact that not every major contribution from Hebrews was necessarily of Kemetic origin.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Yeah, you betcha, you show no hate disgust nor emotion when you write:
quote:Originally posted by Wally: This is NOT a discussion about the M........... Hebrews!!!
Amen in Hebrew can mean S... for what it's worth.
Perhaps I should have put or after each statement! But if you read the topics thread and that of others in the past, a simple question "Was 'Amen' a Holy Spirit or a God?" suddenly becomes a biblical (Hebrew) one; all of a sudden we're no longer addressing the Mdu Ntr's reference but Hebrew(?) etymology; and my chagrin at this makes me an anti-Semite!! (anti-Hebrew) Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Al-Takruri is right on the money as usual when it comes to Hebrew words and etymology. I suggest you stop letting your love (obsession) of Egyptian culture blind you the relevant fact that not every major contribution from Hebrews was necessarily of Kemetic origin.
...and you see what I mean folks. Was "Amen" a Holy Spirit or a God? is now a discussion of "Hebrew words and etymology." I wasn't discussing "every major contribution from Hebrews" being of Kemetic origins, just some words from the Mdu Ntr;- Mizra, Hmom, Shem, Kem, Kush, Amen...
And again PEPI_KHEM has repeated his satisfaction with the answer to his original question regarding the Egyptian "Amen."
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quote:Originally posted by Wally:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Yeah, you betcha, you show no hate disgust nor emotion when you write:
quote:Originally posted by Wally: This is NOT a discussion about the M........... Hebrews!!!
Amen in Hebrew can mean S... for what it's worth.
Perhaps I should have put or after each statement! But if you read the topics thread and that of others in the past, a simple question "Was 'Amen' a Holy Spirit or a God?" suddenly becomes a biblical (Hebrew) one; all of a sudden we're no longer addressing the Mdu Ntr's reference but Hebrew(?) etymology; and my chagrin at this makes me an anti-Semite!! (anti-Hebrew)
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Your post of 29 March, 2007 03:49 PM is what launched in depth non-AE related meanings for Amen.
On the otherhand I've broached a thread about Amun worship and its consequences; archaeological, political, demic. And it still awaits scholarly contribution from enlightened forum members such as yourself.
In this here thread I begged off discussing Hebrew '-m-n, pleading we stick to ntjr Amen. But to no avail. And you were among those who continued railing. Particularly against the Greeks "the Amen," substituting Greek biblical usage as if it were valid Hebrew usage.
We know full well the Jews in Hellene Egypt heavily infused Egypto-Hellene theology into their theology and the first Christians did so even more.
Anyway, the way you spoke of the Hebrews, you would never use that gutter language for any other African language speaking people (except the "Berber").
And we're not fooling ourselves as to why Hebrews cause your spleen venting, even if you yourself may not realize it on a conscious level. No doubt, many here certainly applaud you for boldly saying what you did. But they quite consciously hate Hebrews without subterfuge or apology.
If you stand with them, just man up to it.
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Everything you have said has absolutely nothing to do with the question posed by the topic! There is nothing here that talks or questions about the Hebrews! It is a question about the use and meaning of the term "Amen/Amon/Amun" in the culture of the Kememou! What is so difficult about understanding this?? for what it's worth. Amen in the Mdu Ntr means "hidden, concealed, unknowable"; that was the question... Amen is the Kememou name for God, the unknowable, the hidden one, the concealed... Do we need to dance some more with this one?
quote:Originally posted by Wally: Amen = "concealed, hidden, unknowable..." Amen (Amon/Amun) represented the only God in Ancient Egyptian philosophy, which was Monotheistic. Amen was transcendent: that which is beyond our senses and experience; Existing apart from matter; Exalted above the universe; Above and beyond the ordinary, the concrete, and the tangible. The form of God was not even known to the ancestors or saints (ntru/"gods") and reflected the philosophy of the Kememou; Amen, the hidden, unknowable Noute or God itself...
I believe this is a good answer and is correct but it's only correct in a left handed sort of way.
I believe all the Egyptian "gods" were actually "natural phenomena". "Amun" was transcendent because he was the "Natural Phenomenon of Natural Phenomena Itself". We should think of "amun" as "reality". "Reality" is always hidden from us by our senses and lack of knowledge. At best we can catch fleeting glimpses of amun through study, science, or observation.
And, yes, the word likely was the origin of our word "amen".
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No.
Amen, as Xianity borrowed from Hebrew connotes faithful and truth but Egyptic Amun means hidden.
Two completely different roots from two different languages.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Quoting the Greek Scriptures is a poor method for elucidating a Hebrew word, nor do Pharaonic Egyptic and Canaanitic Hebrew enjoy a parent child relationship.
Pharaonic Egyptian and Canaanitic Hebrew are two different languages though of the same superphylum, Afrisan.
Egyptic and Semitic are Afrisan subphyla. The former being one of its oldest separations while the latter is one of its youngest.
While those two are Afrisan siblings, Canaanitic Hebrew is only a Semitic family member, thus it's impossible for it to be a child of Pharaonic Egyptic.
But, yes, biblical Hebrew has borrowed many words from Pharaonic Egyptic. However, amen is not such an infusion.
The Egyptian ntjr Amen has nothing to do with the Hebrew word '-M-N, derived from the Hebrew words '-M-TH and '-M-W-N-H.
Since Pepi wants to learn about the ntjr Amen, I see no need to once again post the meaning of the Hebrew word amen equally misused by Christian and Afrocentric.
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Amen, as Xianity borrowed from Hebrew connotes faithful and truth but Egyptic Amun means hidden.
Two completely different roots from two different languages.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Quoting the Greek Scriptures is a poor method for elucidating a Hebrew word, nor do Pharaonic Egyptic and Canaanitic Hebrew enjoy a parent child relationship.
Pharaonic Egyptian and Canaanitic Hebrew are two different languages though of the same superphylum, Afrisan.
Egyptic and Semitic are Afrisan subphyla. The former being one of its oldest separations while the latter is one of its youngest.
While those two are Afrisan siblings, Canaanitic Hebrew is only a Semitic family member, thus it's impossible for it to be a child of Pharaonic Egyptic.
But, yes, biblical Hebrew has borrowed many words from Pharaonic Egyptic. However, amen is not such an infusion.
The Egyptian ntjr Amen has nothing to do with the Hebrew word '-M-N, derived from the Hebrew words '-M-TH and '-M-W-N-H.
Since Pepi wants to learn about the ntjr Amen, I see no need to once again post the meaning of the Hebrew word amen equally misused by Christian and Afrocentric.
You may well be right and I certainly don't know. Linguistics is a pretty tricky area and I'm going mostly by the similar sound and meaning of the words.
"Amen" is often taken for "so be it" which is a left handed meaning of "reality". Of course Egyptians didn't even use vowels in writing.
I can certainly defer to your knowledge in this area.
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Ethnocentric picture spam won't cut it Black lies are no less dangerous than whiteman's lies, perhaps for us even more deadly as in willful ignorance.
Show me one example of an AE or any peoples' prayer ending in a disjointed use of the God's name.
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