quote:Originally posted by Siptah: The Fulani do not look Caucasoid. Neither do they have significant European admixture. Shut up with that Eurocentric crap.
Silly Negrocentrist!
The Fulani are admixed, just deal with it. Pure Sahelian Negroids cluster like the Senegal Mandingos!
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^You posted that stupid graph before and still persist in presenting it despite its anthropological illiteracy. WTF is a paleo-African and how are the Fulani "mixed" if they plot closest to a relatively un-admixed [with Eurasian] Nilo-Saharan group? Simply slapping graphics on there that reads "mixed" and "Paleo-African" mean absolutely nothing and do not constitute proof. It constitutes fraud and propoganda through pre-labeling (circular reasoning). Africans are inherently diverse and it has nothing to do with Europeans, who have always been irrelevant.
BTW, his obsession with East African admixture may point to some insecurity/inferiority complex. He hates being European and he is racist so he hates what he feels are "pure Negroids", but at the same time he wants to be as interesting and fascinating as he finds Africans, so the closest that he can come to this is pretend that East Africans are really European, sign up to an African-centered web forum, and take on the persona (Perahu) of an ancient East African king from Punt. It is rather pathetic to watch actually and the guy's horrendous logic speaks to his desperation to establish this connection.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^You posted that stupid graph before and still persist in presenting it despite its anthropological illiteracy. WTF is a paleo-African and how are the Fulani "mixed" if they plot closest to a relatively un-admixed [with Eurasian] Nilo-Saharan group? Simply slapping graphics on there that reads "mixed" and "Paleo-African" mean absolutely nothing and do not constitute proof. It constitutes fraud and propoganda through pre-labeling (circular reasoning). Africans are inherently diverse and it has nothing to do with Europeans, who have always been irrelevant.
The Maasai are not pure, dumbo. They have significant levels of Cushite ancestry. They are Nilo-Hamites. Their position is also explained by the fact that the OOA migration took place in East Africa.
The Fulani are not East African, they are West African. Their position should be compared to pure West Africans like the Mandingo, who they sadly cluster far away from due to Caucasoid ancestry.
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^Cushitic is not Eurasian you idiot. Massai have absolutely no Eurasian ancestry yet Fulani plot right next to them. According to Razid's structure the Fulani have their own color bar that is nearly full so you once again are exposed as a pathetic liar.
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Even the Mozabite are able to create their own cluster, this does not mean they are pure, dumbo.
Before the Fula cluster appears they possess high frequencies of Caucasoid clusters.
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^Even with their own Mozabite cluster they appear mixed with other AACs! Fulani don't. You are so stupid, they are completely divergent from Europeans on any plot and again, Razid's cluser from K = 2 all the way to K = 14 show them as decidedly African. No "High" frequency of anything other than African AACs. Even at K = 11 Tishkoff claimed Eurasian affinity was "low" but even that's questionable considering the Dogon and Dioula results from Fig. 4.
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: According to Razib's structure the Fulani have their own color bar that is nearly full so you once again are exposed as a pathetic liar.
Just looked it up
Look at the lower K, dumbo.
The Fulani have high levels of Caucasoid genetic input (Red).
The Mozabite have substantial levels of Sub-Saharan. This gets masked when their cluster appears due to their inbred nature.
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^What idiot looks at the lower K? The higher K exposes most or nearly all of that red to be African. You are not understanding that these are merely clusters that are shared between Africans and Europeans. You are Eurocentric so you give Europeans primacy even through this is structure that likely goes back to the OOA exodus (which means these people are 60,000 years removed from you and you simply retain some of THEIR archaic structure).
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quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: ^What idiot looks at the lower K? K = 14 exposes most or nearly all of that red to be African. You are not understanding that these are merely clusters that are shared between Africans and Europeans. You are Eurocentric so you give Europeans primacy even through this is structure that likely goes back to the OOA exodus (which means these people are 60,000 years removed from you and you simply retain archaic structure).
The Fulani have little East African ancestry. This does not explain their position. They are West African. You should compare them to the Mandingo.
Their affinity with Europeans is primarily due to admixture from Caucasoid North Africans.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: King all of Perahu's talk of pure this and Eurasian blah blah blah is about him not wanting them the ancient Kemites to look not like a Rendille,or Somali,Fulani,or anything of the sort he wants them to look like His ultimate^ fantasy he would give a ratz azz about a Beja or any real Africans who are close relatives of the ancient Kemites as post above Eurasian genes or not they are just props to achieve that.
Brada, I congratulate you! You clearly see through the smokescreen of this Pariah guy, whose primary purpose is to propagate the idiotic and virtually debunked notion of a White Ancient Egypt.
He has thrown in his racist bait - 25 times on May 14 alone - none of which has a thing to do with the connection between the Beja and the Ancient Egyptians...
However, his distraction has successfully derailed the topic originally put forth, mainly do to the educated vets here who decided to try and 'school a fool'...
If this nonsense persists, I'm going to ask the moderators to lock this topic; and let them then post their own topic...Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Brada, I congratulate you! You clearly see through the smokescreen of this Pariah guy, whose primary purpose is to propagate the idiotic and virtually debunked notion of a White Ancient Egypt.
Stop putting words in my mouth, I never claimed Ancient Egyptians to be white.
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quote:Originally posted by Siptah: [qb]The Fulani do not look Caucasoid. Neither do they have significant European admixture. Shut up with that Eurocentric crap.
Silly Negrocentrist!
The Fulani are admixed, just deal with it. Pure Sahelian Negroids cluster like the Senegal Mandingos!
Noting and searching for indigenous purity in any population is a lost cause due to the fact that no group of people on this earth are restrictively pure to begin with, therefore we can only group them in accordance to the majority of their ancestry. The Fula are ancestrally, linguistically and culturally African sharing very little AAC with Europeans making Europeans again irrelevant in regards to their ancestry. I can't help but notice the politics and anthropological illiteracy from the diagram you presented.
Who is the author of that diagram? Those people politically classified as pure Caucasoids are generally in fact more ancestrally diverse than the Fula population.
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Can anyone on here kindly inform to me on how i can ask the moderator to remove my post above? I feel my post has further contributed to the problem rather than help the problem. Thank you.
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^^^^ Ausar can edit it but you can too if you click the Pencil and Paper Icon on top of your post.
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Love learning about the Beja and their links to Egypt.
Apologize for posting about the Fulbe ancestry in your thread and making perahu seem like he will learn anything.
Hope you continue to show the forum the great links that Other Africans have to Egypt.
To add to your thread, The Beja also known as the Fuzzie Wuzzies, and the Medjay in Ancient Egypt, look like the Egyptians and Puntites. The hair braids you shown look EXACTLY like the Ancient Egypt reliefs. We can only hope that more people see the connection and respect the Africans who were the originators of Egypt.
Peace
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^Wally can simply ask ausar himself to delete all of our posts (or everything after the point where the topic was derailed).
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^ Indeed. It is a complete utter waste of time engaging with someone repeating the same nonsense that was already debunked! I mean my God! This guy has claimed rural Bantus and Nilo-Saharans as having "Eurasian" ancestry. It's obvious this guy is a pathetic loser who feels the need to white-wash Africans for self-esteem purposes.
quote:Originally posted by KING: He comes on this forum screaming that All Europeans are linked together and most Africans share no links. What crock is that.
Worse than that, he claims ALL Western Eurasians are closely related to each other not just Europeans. He even calls hg J "European" even though it originated in Southwest Asia, likely Arabia. Yet the idiot in double-speak dismisses the pan-African PN2 (E) clade as no proof of inter-African relation! Bias is obviously an understatement with this fool.
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Considering that West Africa was perhaps the most advanced part of Africa after the Nile Valley, I don't see any reason why black Americans would be ashamed of their West African heritage. Come to think of it, you don't really need ancestors who built a bunch of big stone structures to take pride in your heritage. Native Americans here in the US seem perfectly content with their cultures without needing to claim some stone ruins as part of their heritages.
That's because Pair'ohock knows nothing about African Americans and thinks that just because some African Americans acknowledge Egypt's African identity, they must look to it as their ancestry. Obviously Pairohock is one of those low-self esteem losers who could only feel good about themselves by connecting themselves to fake ancestors hence his "caca-soid" propaganda to claim not only Egyptians but many African groups! LOL
quote:Originally posted by Wally: Brada, I congratulate you! You clearly see through the smokescreen of this Pariah guy, whose primary purpose is to propagate the idiotic and virtually debunked notion of a White Ancient Egypt.
He has thrown in his racist bait - 25 times on May 14 alone - none of which has a thing to do with the connection between the Beja and the Ancient Egyptians...
However, his distraction has successfully derailed the topic originally put forth, mainly do to the educated vets here who decided to try and 'school a fool'...
LOL the pariah KNOWS that Beja are closely related to ancient Egyptians. That is exactly why he chooses to white-wash or 'Eurasianize' them! He is a pathetic, dumb loser!
quote:Originally posted by Siptah: Who is the author of that diagram? Those people politically classified as pure Caucasoids are generally in fact more ancestrally diverse than the Fula population.
The idiot Pariah has admitted that the graph he parades around was not even created by any expert but by non other than his lame layman leader Dienekes Pontikos!! He even called the guy Dienkes et. al when Dienekes has never published a study let alone with other experts for the reason that he is NOT an expert! LMAOPosts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Back in March I asked are the Beja lineally descended Medjay or not?
Is this based solely on the location of the non-assimilated Medjay being coterminous with the present northern range of Beja speakers?
What of the Blemmeyes of Grec-Roman notice presumably of the same region?
Lacking any documentation of demic displacement of the people living between the Nile and the Eastern & Nubian Deserts, is it assumed folk there are continous inhabitants from Pharaonic times till now?
What are some other points in favor of the Beja = Medjay identity equation?
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^ That is a good question that I myself have asked every now and then. The claim that the Beja are the direct lineal descendants of the Medjay is something that is repeated so often in academia one might think it is the be all end all truth. I believe additional evidence aside from them living in the same area is that some Medjay names and terms were found that show close affinity to modern Beja.
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^There is no doubt that the Beja descend from the Blemmeyes. - See here
The Medjay theory does seem to rely on the geography and demographics where all groups are said to have inhabited the eastern desert areas. Beja and Medjay or Medjaw/Bedawi do seem to recall cognate-like similarities as well (Ehret, 2002 believes these groups to be continuous but doesn't explore why). I've also read about similarities in lifestyle and pottery between the groups but the connections were all tenuous.
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^ Wow. I had no idea that the Blemyes were attested that early during the New Kingdom or that their territory was originally in the Western desert! This changes everything then. So if the Blemyes/Beja originated from the west then what are we to make of the Medjay?? By the way, the Wilkinson and others identify the ancestors of the Naqada to be nomads who also come from the Eastern Desert so there may be a relation between the Naqada and the Medjay.
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