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^ Why are you using the title of "chief" when these men clearly were of status higher than tribal chief.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Why are you using the title of "chief" when these men clearly were of status higher than tribal chief.
I never said anything about a tribe as I'm just using it in the sense of Paramount Chief or Chief of a polity. For example Kamehameha and the head of the Cherokee Confederacy may be considered Great or Paramount chiefs.
BTW - I hope you know most rulers of Egypt weren't called Pharaohs.
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The "Libyan" Shoshenk I Libyan rulers styled themselves "Great Chief of the Meshwesh" 22nd dynasty
Sheshonq II 22nd Libyan dynasty son of Sheshonk and "Chief of th Meshwesh"
Input II Libyan "Berber" King 23rd dynasty
Piankhi called the 23rd dynasty Libyans Input II and Shoshenk's descendants "all the feather-wearing chiefs of Lower Egypt" p. 394 The Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt
Shabaqah 25th dynasty "Nubian" one of the line of rulers of Napatan origin
Founding Chief Manu Narmar and Uniter of the Two lands of the Khemetiu
Ramses "the Great" 19th dynasty looking much like Barack Obama. Grandson of Ramses I
Tahutmuse father of "Amenophis II" an Amarna period ruler looking much like his co-regent and stepmother Hatshepsowet. Of course the Amarna rulers proved to be related to southern Africans genetically and Africans of the Great Lakes region
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Strange appearing and disrespectful descendants of the dreaded Eurasiatics gaze open mouthed over the skeleton of an African boy - once king of the two lands of the Khemitiu- who died tragically of Sickle Cell disease common to his Nilotic people. Tut-Ankh-Amun, an Amarna period ruler of Nile valley peoples, 18th dynasty.
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Montuhoteb II great African chief and conqueror of the 11th Khemetiu dynasty wears the Red Crown of Lower Egypt.
The powerful Nilotic King Djoser of the 2nd dynasty and great master mason introduced a magnificent form of architecture called the step pyramid of Saqqara.
Many pyramids had names. The 5th dynasty great African King Sahu-ra or SahuRe (above) built a pyramid which he would come to name "The Ba of Sahure gleams" or "the Soul of Sahure shines".
Like the African Himyarites further East, the African chiefs of the Nile were quite literally "Such Men of Whom Myths were Made".
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All these are darkskinned Caucasiods from Eurasia, the Caucasus mountians. It's clear.
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You all are unfair and dishounest, these are clearly whites and dark skinned from Eurasia, from the caucasus mountain region where they lived with dogs in caves. Then magically became supreme founders of civilization.
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^ LOL No need to mock the trolls. This thread causes them enough anguish.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: I never said anything about a tribe as I'm just using it in the sense of Paramount Chief or Chief of a polity. For example Kamehameha and the head of the Cherokee Confederacy may be considered Great or Paramount chiefs.
BTW - I hope you know most rulers of Egypt weren't called Pharaohs.
In any case, no insult intended.
I get what you're saying. I guess it turns the whole Eurocentric label of African chief on it's head.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ LOL No need to mock the trolls. This thread causes them enough anguish.
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: I never said anything about a tribe as I'm just using it in the sense of Paramount Chief or Chief of a polity. For example Kamehameha and the head of the Cherokee Confederacy may be considered Great or Paramount chiefs.
BTW - I hope you know most rulers of Egypt weren't called Pharaohs.
In any case, no insult intended.
I get what you're saying. I guess it turns the whole Eurocentric label of African chief on it's head.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: King Senwosret II, 12th Dynasty, Glyptotek Museum
King Tutankhamum and his wife, 18th Dynasty
Now I hope people see why I had thought there was something southern African or "Bantuish" about these people. Funny how never see this kind of picture posted of TutAnkhAmun around the internet.
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^^^^ dana, you have got to be kidding these sculptures are severely damaged, nose and mouth missing etc.
Tutankhamun, Luxor Museum
seating statue of Pharaoh Senusret (Sesostris I) also (Senwosret I))One of the ten which were found in almost perfect condition at El-Lisht, this limestone statue is of Sesostris I. Photographed at the Cairo Museum in October of 1965. Located in: Egyptian Museum, Cairo.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^ dana, you have got to be kidding these sculptures are severely damaged, nose and mouth missing etc.
Tutankhamun, Luxor Museum
seating statue of Pharaoh Senusret (Sesostris I) also (Senwosret I))One of the ten which were found in almost perfect condition at El-Lisht, this limestone statue is of Sesostris I. Photographed at the Cairo Museum in October of 1965. Located in: Egyptian Museum, Cairo.
White woman - don't worry we all know these are your Neandernut ancestors. Rest at ease.
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Funny how all the dynasties looked alike from the first to the last native Egyptian and even the Libyan and Nubian ones in between.
And now I think you should all know it has been discovered by Euronut NUMBER 1 of the hamitic league where these Non-Negroids get their Nordic features.
Direct from the pseudoEuronutic forum comes this superb analysis:
“The only race with all these traits is the Nordic. The bulk of the population was of the brown Mediterranean race, which differs from the Nordic in being orthocephalic (of moderate skull height) instead of high-headed, medium-headed instead of long-headed, and pentagonoid (shaped a bit like a pentagon when seen from above) instead of ellipsoidal. Dart traces four major Nordic invasions of Egypt, the first being the Badarian of pre-dynastic times. Gradually, the Nordics arrived less frequently, until a new invasion replenished them. Dart tells us that the Nordic race is “the Egyptian Pharaonic type.” He describes the head of Rameses II, which he calls “pelagic ellipsoidal or Nordic” and says, “It is found in earlier times in Pepi I and other kings of Egypt.” He doesn’t mention it, but the mummy of Rameses II has yellow hair too.[57] Under a microscope his hair form is Nordic too.”
From the Nordic Badarians. Why didn't we Afronuts think of it. Are actually that deluded that we couldn't see from the blond and auburn and OBVIOUSLY straight Nordic hair on the mummies that Badarians were more like Scandinavians than like southern Africans.
Shame on us or I should say you deluded Afronuts for not noticing the Nordic character of these people!
ABOVE: Badarian NORDIC of Caucasoid Hamitic union origin.
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol: You all are unfair and dishounest, these are clearly whites and dark skinned from Eurasia, from the caucasus mountain region where they lived with dogs in caves. Then magically became supreme founders of civilization.
Clearly we are.
Tomb of the Libyan Osorkon "chief of the Meshwesh" 22nd dynasty
You words truly resonate with me Patrol. And it is clear the great Libyan chiefs of the Meshwesh must have also come down after the Egyptians - great Nordic Aryans warriors from the Carpathian mountains and turned near black from the great heat of the sun.
Either that or they just loved to depict themselves looking like skinny Fulani and Ethiopians.
Looks like that sun also thinned their bones out as well, except for those that traveled to the mountains of the Maghreb and turned blond, blue eyed and big-boned. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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We can also look at the great Caucasian Kushites and see that they must have bore some relationship to the Nordic.
Ancient Armies of the Middle East, 1981. Terence Wise Angus McBride
"Further south, above the Third cataract, were the vile Kush or Kesh who were not Negroes but Caucasians, ancestors of the Ethiopians. Both Herodotus and Egyptian monuments segregate the Kush into two main types a straight haired race and a woolly haired race dwelling to the east and west of the Nile respectively." p. 21
So as we can see, Euronuts can be scholars too. They actually do know what they are talking about for as we can remember the vast majority of Kushites have straight hair east of the Nile.
Straight-haired Oromo women (yes it looks a little frizzly here but a bit of cattle grease usually sleaks it down nice and Nordic-like to show off that 60% Caucasoid)
A Karrayu KUSHITE
Despite the apparent woolliness of 80 - 90 % of the hair of the modern Kushitic populations, as one can see from the auburn blond hairs in this man's head, his relatively narrow nose, comfortably thin lips and famously long triangular faces common to ancient Libyan and Nubian pottery, most preserve the ancient Nordic Badarian type hair structure coiled from the sun. Again a little grease/butter can dramatically bring out the Nordic beauty in these "darkened by the sun" hamitic Caucasians.
They would probably not qualify for the hamitic union board though.
All joking aside though it should be noted that many European academics still promote hamitic Caucasoid theory that has been become for the most part obsolete in America.
"it is strange to note that the modern Hamite Ethiopian series (Tigre) and even Somali-Galla remain virtually exempt of any black contribution. The Ethiopian plateaus must therefore have remained far from the currents of black immigration which took the natural route of the Nile, whether during the dynastic period or later and more intensively, from the beginning of our era on..."
Population changes in Egypt and Nubia; G. Billy
Faculté des Sciences, 123 Rue Albert Thomas, 87060 - Limoges Cedex, France 19 September 2006.
Yes this is what they are still teaching in some places. BELIEVE IT!
So if you want to know why Euronuts are harassing the board and calling you the crazy ones, - all you have to do is look at what academics are still teaching in some institutions of higher learning (I guess) in Europe.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Funny how all the dynasties looked alike from the first to the last native Egyptian and even the Libyan and Nubian ones in between..
Study Traces Egyptians’ Stone-Age Roots Dec. 17, 2005 Special to World Science Some 64 centuries ago, a prehistoric people of obscure origins farmed an area along Egypt’s Nile River. Barely out of the Stone Age, they produced simple but well-made pottery, jewelry and stone tools, and carefully buried their dead with ritual objects in apparent preparation for an afterlife. These items often included doll-like female figurines with exaggerated sexual features, thought to possibly symbolize rebirth. Despite the simplicity of their possessions, a new study suggests these people, the Badarians, may have ultimately given rise to one of the world’s first major civilizations some 14 centuries later: the glittering culture of Egypt. Indeed, the Egyptians seem to have been basically the same people from the end of the Stone Age through late Roman times, the research found.
"These [Badarian Egyptian ancestors]... were long-headed--dolicocephalic is the learned term--and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time." Sir Alan Gardiner, Egypt of the Pharaohs (1966)
Apparently not all academic studies, even the old ones, are inaccurate.
quote:Shame on us or I should say you deluded Afronuts for not noticing the Nordic character of these people!
ABOVE: Badarian NORDIC of Caucasoid Hamitic union origin.
I can almost see the Atlanto-Mediterranean in this woman. Can't you?
LOL The comedy never ends.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: The "Libyan" Shoshenk I "Great Chief of the Meshwesh" 22nd dynasty NON-NEGROID NUMBER 1 of the Euronut
Here's a better photo of "Shoshenk I" Head of a king "Shoshenk I"(probably) Dyn 21 or 22, Cleveland Museum
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: Funny how all the dynasties looked alike from the first to the last native Egyptian and even the Libyan and Nubian ones in between..
Study Traces Egyptians’ Stone-Age Roots Dec. 17, 2005 Special to World Science Some 64 centuries ago, a prehistoric people of obscure origins farmed an area along Egypt’s Nile River. Barely out of the Stone Age, they produced simple but well-made pottery, jewelry and stone tools, and carefully buried their dead with ritual objects in apparent preparation for an afterlife. These items often included doll-like female figurines with exaggerated sexual features, thought to possibly symbolize rebirth. Despite the simplicity of their possessions, a new study suggests these people, the Badarians, may have ultimately given rise to one of the world’s first major civilizations some 14 centuries later: the glittering culture of Egypt. Indeed, the Egyptians seem to have been basically the same people from the end of the Stone Age through late Roman times, the research found.
"These [Badarian Egyptian ancestors]... were long-headed--dolicocephalic is the learned term--and below even medium stature, but Negroid features are often to be observed. Whatever may be said of the northerners, it is safe to describe the dwellers in Upper Egypt as of essentially African stock, a character always retained despite alien influences brought to bear on them from time to time." Sir Alan Gardiner, Egypt of the Pharaohs (1966)
Apparently not all academic studies, even the old ones, are inaccurate.
ABOVE: Badarian NORDIC of Caucasoid Hamitic union origin.
I can almost see the Atlanto-Mediterranean in this woman. Can't you?
LOL The comedy never ends. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yes like father Alan Gardiner like grandson Martin Bernal. Now we know why Bernal can't go along with the more scholarly Euronuts.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^ Neanderthals in Europe, between about 40,000 and 30,000 years ago
Which is total BULLSHS*T and nonsense. They rather represent Neolithics.
So out of all the posts you had to respond to this, to defend your Khazarian history. LOOOOOL
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: ^^^^ dana, you have got to be kidding these sculptures are severely damaged, nose and mouth missing etc.
Tutankhamun, Luxor Museum
seating statue of Pharaoh Senusret (Sesostris I) also (Senwosret I))One of the ten which were found in almost perfect condition at El-Lisht, this limestone statue is of Sesostris I. Photographed at the Cairo Museum in October of 1965. Located in: Egyptian Museum, Cairo.
You try so goddawm hard to take ancient Egyptians out of the African context it's ridiculous and and this point HILARIOUS!!!!! And besides all that, morphologically the still look "AFRICAN".
Luxor Museum, Egypt.
This statue represents Tutankhamun as Amun and it was discovered in the Karnak temple Cachette in 1904. The statue is 155cm high and is carved from Limestone.
In this statue he is wearing the twin plumes of Amun. His hands hold the Isis knot and he is standing with his left foot advanced.
Tutankhamun, in the popular theory, restored the cult of Amun after the death of Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV), and he changed his name from Tutankhaten (living image of Aten) to (living image of Amun). This was very probably politically expedient, and even necessary for his continued reign. Theories about his parentage, life and death are abound.
Been there, done that!
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Considering the recent fuss about African hair going on in otherthreads, I think I should point this out..
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: We can also look at the great Caucasian Kushites and see that they must have bore some relationship to the Nordic.
Ancient Armies of the Middle East, 1981. Terence Wise Angus McBride
"Further south, above the Third cataract, were the vile Kush or Kesh who were not Negroes but Caucasians, ancestors of the Ethiopians. Both Herodotus and Egyptian monuments segregate the Kush into two main types, a straight haired race and a woolly haired race, dwelling to the east and west of the Nile respectively." p. 21
So as we can see, Euronuts can be scholars too. They actually do know what they are talking about for as we can remember the vast majority of Kushites have straight hair east of the Nile...
Dana, is this not proof enough that such straight hair is as much native to Africa as wooly hair?? Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: King Senwosret II, 12th Dynasty, Glyptotek Museum
King Tutankhamum and his wife, 18th Dynasty
Now I hope people see why I had thought there was something southern African or "Bantuish" about these people. Funny how never see this kind of picture posted of TutAnkhAmun around the internet.
According to the DNA Tribes study of their autosomal STR they are genetically Bantu (who are close themselves to Tropical West Africans and to other Africans such as Sahelian Africans and Horn Africans to a lower degree):
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^ Yes, by STRs the Egyptians do cluster with Bantus though I'd be careful about calling such genetic affinities themselves 'Bantu' since they predate any Bantu languages and perhaps Niger-Congo.
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I had alwasy thought the physical build of the ancient Egyptians looked curiously like many modern Bantu speakers of southern Africa but I definitely didn't expect that the Amarna period people would have come out so southern African. In fact they look the least Bantuish of all the dynastic groups in my opinion.
On the other hand considering who Tut's mother was and the appearance of both Tiye and Akenaton i guess I shouldn't have been so surprised. I would have thought they would have had more connection to the Beja or even Tigrai but in any case, we will have to look at future studies since some people are saying there haven't been enough STR's being analysed.
In the end, I think the fact that the least African-appearing of all the Intermediate dynasties (in my opinion) comes out so southern African means future studies will surely shock the h--l out of racists in the coming decades.
I am wondering if they can't get more specific taking samples from such people as the Haratin, Teda or Tibu groups.
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^ Let's not make the mistake of confusing bio-genesis for ethno-genesis as Keita likes to warn. Bantu is a linguistic-cultural group. STRs are one type of genetic information. Genes for facial form are another set of genetic information. Neither pieces of evidence have an exact correlation with either. The genes are obviously far older than the language or culture.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Yes, by STRs the Egyptians do cluster with Bantus though I'd be careful about calling such genetic affinities themselves 'Bantu' since they predate any Bantu languages and perhaps Niger-Congo.
There's no need to be careful, twist, deny, temper, modify the DNA tribe results or the analysis of it. We're not talking about languages here but people (the genetic analysis of people). Whatever languages (or form of) they were speaking at the time, Bantu **people** are the closest modern day descendants of the Ancient Egyptians (according to the results).
According to the DNA Tribes results, the Ancient Egyptian mummies are genetically most similar to modern day Bantu (and Africans in general).
That's why (among other things) we do ethnic analysis of Ancient Egyptian mummies DNA. To know their closest genetic modern relatives. Modern day Italians may be the descendants of Ancient Romans, but we give different names to their language since they are not mutually intelligible. Ancient Romans weren't speaking Italian (per se). I think no people on earth have their current language mutually intelligible with the language spoken by their ancestors 5000 years ago.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Considering the recent fuss about African hair going on in otherthreads, I think I should point this out..
quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: We can also look at the great Caucasian Kushites and see that they must have bore some relationship to the Nordic.
Ancient Armies of the Middle East, 1981. Terence Wise Angus McBride
"Further south, above the Third cataract, were the vile Kush or Kesh who were not Negroes but Caucasians, ancestors of the Ethiopians. Both Herodotus and Egyptian monuments segregate the Kush into two main types, a straight haired race and a woolly haired race, dwelling to the east and west of the Nile respectively." p. 21
So as we can see, Euronuts can be scholars too. They actually do know what they are talking about for as we can remember the vast majority of Kushites have straight hair east of the Nile...
Dana, is this not proof enough that such straight hair is as much native to Africa as wooly hair??
Djehuti - I hope you were joking about this. Of course the straight haired pastoral race accustomed to wearing horse heads or skins that Herodotus and Arrian spoke of was according to him south of "the Indi" along the Indus in Bauluchistan/Makran to Saurashtra probably in the exact region of the early black people then known as Jats or Zotti. They, like the pastoral "Ethiopians" of Herodotus were of incredible stature, and many still are and identical in customs to the Ethiopians of similar appearance and height. The same description was applied to the Solymi with their horse heads who the Greeks said spoke a dialect of the Phoenician type. The Ethiopian Solymi (Sulaymi?) who were likely of Arabian/Hebraic descent - like other very tall very black Arabians of the Azd/Mazin group- probably formed a link between Ethiopians of the West and East.
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