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Neferefre great articles and pictures of oldest drawings of an Egyptian Pharaoh procession on a boat in the Nile river.All the symbols and regalias of the Pharaoh are present in the drawings.
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The most extensive rock art picture, nearly 10 feet wide, shows five boats, one of which carries an anonymous king holding a long sceptre and wearing the White Crown, a conical shaped headpiece that symbolized rulership of southern Egypt.
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Ironically, the earliest certain images of the white crown come not from Egypt but from Qustul in Lower Nubia, about 300 km up-river from Hierakonpolis. These images occur on two incense burners of uniquely Nubian type, which depict kings seated in archaic high-prowed boats wearing abnormally tall crowns with knobs, accompanied by bulls and Horus falcons (Williams 1980; 1986, pls. 33, 34). They date to about 3300 BC. The same crown then appears not long afterwards in Egypt: on an unprovenienced ivory knife handle in the Metropolitian Museum and, later still, on the Scorpion mace head and Narmer palette (Wilkinson 1999, 194–5).
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quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: The most extensive rock art picture, nearly 10 feet wide, shows five boats, one of which carries an anonymous king holding a long sceptre and wearing the White Crown, a conical shaped headpiece that symbolized rulership of southern Egypt.
My notes:
Ironically, the earliest certain images of the white crown come not from Egypt but from Qustul in Lower Nubia, about 300 km up-river from Hierakonpolis. These images occur on two incense burners of uniquely Nubian type, which depict kings seated in archaic high-prowed boats wearing abnormally tall crowns with knobs, accompanied by bulls and Horus falcons (Williams 1980; 1986, pls. 33, 34). They date to about 3300 BC. The same crown then appears not long afterwards in Egypt: on an unprovenienced ivory knife handle in the Metropolitian Museum and, later still, on the Scorpion mace head and Narmer palette (Wilkinson 1999, 194–5).
I agree, but you know THEY always trying to separate Nubia and Egypt. Like Nubia is based on an imported Egyptian culture. When both have similar beginnings.
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^ Actually it's more like the other way around-- Egypt got its pharaonic culture from Nubia! The oldest known depiction of a pharaoh and pharaonic iconography before the discovery cited in this thread was in Qustul (Nubia). Now interestingly this oldest depiction of a pharaoh as depicted in a rock carving is found of all places near Aswan which was the ancient Nubian border. Surprised?? I'm certainly not.
This carving happens to show a pharaoh on his royal barque, yet the oldest depiction of this type barque dates back even earlier to mesolithic times in Sudan.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
This carving happens to show a pharaoh on his royal barque, yet the oldest depiction of this type barque dates back even earlier to mesolithic times in Sudan.
Usai and Salvatori maintain the central Sudanic boat drawing has an early 7th millenium BCE date and its design continued throughout time until the 19th dynasty.
With that information we understand Weny didn't only exploit Nehesu laborers but was employing their ship engineering and building technology as well as exporting the ships' raw material.
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^ Indeed, and we know boat building wasn't the only thing the Egyptians copied from their southern neighbors as indicated not only by the royal iconography being found earliest in the south but also the design of certain Egyptian tombs. Ironically it is 'Nubia' that gets dismissed as being a copycat of Egypt. Posts: 26267 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Not only is the oldest known depiction of a white crown found in the Nag el-Hamdulab rock painting, but it's the oldest known depiction of a pharaonic crown or pharaoh anywhere thus far. As discussed elsewhere, Nag el-Hamdulab is a site located in the west bank of the Nile just north of Aswan.
The rock art features a royal procession with two standard bearers in front (though the standards are not clear at least from the photos I can see) and the figure of a man holding a cane-like staff in one hand and perhaps a flail in the other and is presumably wearing a hedjet (white crown) who is then followed by a fan-bearer.
As Explorer states in his blog, Egyptologists and other scholars are hailing this find as the earliest depiction of a figure in pharaonic regalia and one that predates even the Qustul incense burner so as to suggest that Egyptian kingship is posterior to that of Qustul. However, as Explorer remarks, this finding is rather far from the earliest centers of pharaonic activity-- namely from north to south Abutu (Abydos), Nubt (Naqada), and Nekhen (Hierakonpolis)-- and much closer to cultural centers of Lower Nubia. What's more is that Explorer keenly points out the fact that always when an Egyptian pharaoh is depicted his Heru (Horus) or hawk totem is also depicted, yet nowhere is that animal shown in the rock art! Instead some other animal is shown directly in front of the kingly figure. This animal appears quadrupedal with a stocky body, long snout, point ears, and a tail curled over its back. Such an animal is not found in any of the later predynastic to proto-dynastic depictions of kings in Egypt. Yet it IS found somewhere else!...
Qustul Incense Burner
The strange irony or rather contradiction is that even before the discovery of this rock painting in Nag el-Hamdulab, Egyptologists have long noted that since predynastic times the southern periphery of Upper Egypt around the Aswan-Elephantine area was inhabited by people of Nubian affinity. In fact, so much so that this area which was declared the 1st sepat was named *Ta-Seti*!!
Yet with the discovery of this rock painting in the very area, they now say the king depicted was 'Egyptian' and not 'Nubian'. The Yale source I cited above even goes so far as to say the painting itself depicts an Egyptian king in a triumphant procession over Nubians or collecting tribute from them! To say there is a bias is an understatement. But I find it interesting that another name the Egyptians used for their southernmost sepat other than Ta-Seti is Ta-Khent meaning 'Land of Founding' and was known as the site of the Prophecy of Neferti.
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This is interesting because it shows as you claim that there was monuemental activity going on in that part of Egypt and Sudan.
Ta Seti/Ta Khent is the home of Egyptian knowledge and a link to there origin.
The Yale source is another desperate attempt by euros to divide, the inseparable. You would think that with all the knowledge out there this type of nonsense would stop but people still trying to write there way into things they don't belong sadly.
The links are just undeniable, Qustul and this Rock share a unity bond that can't be broken and shows how some of the Egyptians, came from the southern parts of the continent and travelled up to the End of the nile.
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^ Well I never suggested they were from the "southern part" of the continent since they were pretty much there in northeast Africa from the get-go.
My only point was that A-Group/Qustul/Ta-Seti culture may have had the institution of pharaoh prior to that of Ta-Shemau/Upper Egyptian culture, and/or that the former had significantly influenced the latter.
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