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Oh lord. How convenient for certain folk's emotional well-being that the OP of the original thread with the Egyptian aDNA results have disappeared. I suppose it's just a coincidence; that the OP has simply been deleted in an attempt to indiscriminately delete posts to preserve server space, right anonymous ES admin? If so, then you should have a problem with me reposting this, and continuing to do so if this thread or OP goes "missing" as well:
quote:Originally posted by by Son of Ra: Credit actually goes to beyoku for presenting this to everyone.
quote:OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
^Just to give some context to this post for those who are new to this. These aDNA haplogroup profiles were originally posted on Forumbiodiversity, but, as you can see, the thread over there has "disappeared" as well. These results were obtained via personal communications, and in the original thread it was explained that they have yet to come out in a future publication.
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at top cachibatches (mentioned before on ES by Son of Ra, he postes on Historium)
following him a long thread by The Unbreakable where he quotes this DNA list > at bottom of his post in fine print:
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Swenet, you can't argue if it was deleted, somebody may have complained it was an unpublished copyright violation, even the author
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Also, if it was done on purpose, I doubt any person would only delete only part of a thread, they would probably delete the whole thread they didn't like.
They would also delete this thread, talking about what was deleted.
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Rule #1, always make a image backup before doing data migration.
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Wow...This is not the first that it happened to me. They messed my Was Maghreb Eurasian for 30k Years? thread, but it was fixed afterwards for some reason.
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at top cachibatches (mentioned before on ES by Son of Ra, he postes on Historium)
following him a long thread by The Unbreakable where he quotes this DNA list > at bottom of his post in fine print:
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Curiously, when the debate appeared to be going "Unbreakable's" way the data conveniently "disappears.".. Very interesting..
But in any event, the "disappearance" will not make the hard facts vanish. They are there in "the base" and "Unbreakable" quotes liberally from "the base" and the facts are well represented in Google.. Who need Wikipedia anymore?
Furthermore the data is spread on multiple sites. Shutdown of one site will not make it vanish at all. Data from "the base" is mirrored even on international sites as far away as Thailand, and Ghana, along with the UK. Would be censors, and Wiki "stealth" editors and "page guardians" hoping to lock out legitimate scholarship have already failed..
OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
Just to give some context to this post for those who are new to this. These aDNA haplogroup profiles were originally posted on Forumbiodiversity, but, as you can see, the thread over there has "disappeared" as well. These results were obtained via personal communications, and in the original thread it was explained that they have yet to come out in a future publication.
Interesting that in both places the info "vanished".. Also interesting that so recent a thread is "locked" while threads on city-data started months earlier are still open..
quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Wow...This is not the first that it happened to me. They messed my Was Maghreb Eurasian for 30k Years? thread, but it was fixed afterwards for some reason.
^^Start duplicating and mirroring data on as many sites as possible including a personal blog so when one site removes the hard data or goes down, "the base" remains in operation..
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According to poster "Unbreakable" the Tribes info has been verified by another private DNA outfit- DNA Consultants. Who are these other folks?
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] According to poster "Unbreakable" the Tribes info has been verified by another private DNA outfit- DNA Consultants. Who are these other folks?
they are a similar private testing firm
here is the page referring to their JAMA based analysis, scroll down slightly
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I have to agree with the "sista" . The data is NOT verified. Why are we making a big deal about it. Someone could just feeding us a lot of ......
Caution on getting all hot and heavy, panting about a dataset that no one but Beyoku has seen. Not implying anything. He may have been played also.
This may be the Afrocentric version of King Tut is R1b that floated around for a year.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] According to poster "Unbreakable" the Tribes info has been verified by another private DNA outfit- DNA Consultants. Who are these other folks?
they are a similar private testing firm
here is the page referring to their JAMA based analysis, scroll down slightly
As I said in another thread, the DNA consultant result is true and valid (well, as far as I know) but they likely only used one STR allele instead of using them all.
Their egyptian gene or allele, note the use of the singular form, is probably one ancient one (before the main OOA migration) which drifted to different frequencies among humans in different regions. You can see this gene among such disparate populations and regions such as Siberia, Northern Europe, Australia and Africa. Populations which have no direct historical linkage between one another.
DNA Tribes didn't use only one gene/allele. They use the 8 STR values from the Jama study which translate into maybe something like 160 alleles (8*20). More than enough to place the Ancient Egyptian mummies to the correct continent and sub-populations.
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While we're on the subject of autosomal STRs, has anyone tried entering the JAMA data into the PopAffiliator program?
I just put in King Tut's values, using 5 as a dummy value for STRs not analyzed in the JAMA report, and unfortunately I have gotten conflicting results depending on sorting techniques. When I sort the data into only 3 groups, I get a ~99% Sub-Saharan African probability. However, when I sort into 5 groups, I get 38% North African, 34% SSA, and 27.7% West Eurasian (the values for the Near East and East Asia are negligible). What gives?
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: While we're on the subject of autosomal STRs, has anyone tried entering the JAMA data into the PopAffiliator program?
I just put in King Tut's values, using 5 as a dummy value for STRs not analyzed in the JAMA report, and unfortunately I have gotten conflicting results depending on sorting techniques. When I sort the data into only 3 groups, I get a ~99% Sub-Saharan African probability. However, when I sort into 5 groups, I get 38% North African, 34% SSA, and 27.7% West Eurasian (the values for the Near East and East Asia are negligible). What gives?
I did the same as you but instead I used 5 as dummy value at all positions. I got North Africa 53%, Sub-Saharan Africa 39%, Near East 7.4%, and Asia, Eurasia are negligible...
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Amun Ra, off topic, in DNATribes digest I have no problem downloading older digest PDFs However with the first 5 digest articles at the top of the page, when I open the PDFs only show a couple of pages at the beginning and end. Yet page count at the bottom shows numbers like of 13, 17 etc.None of the STRs are there just historical background Do you have this problem also after opening these recent PDFs?
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: While we're on the subject of autosomal STRs, has anyone tried entering the JAMA data into the PopAffiliator program?
I just put in King Tut's values, using 5 as a dummy value for STRs not analyzed in the JAMA report, and unfortunately I have gotten conflicting results depending on sorting techniques. When I sort the data into only 3 groups, I get a ~99% Sub-Saharan African probability. However, when I sort into 5 groups, I get 38% North African, 34% SSA, and 27.7% West Eurasian (the values for the Near East and East Asia are negligible). What gives?
I did the same as you but instead I used 5 as dummy value at all positions. I got North Africa 53%, Sub-Saharan Africa 39%, Near East 7.4%, and Asia, Eurasia are negligible...
I just did that same thing and report the same results. Must be something up with their software.
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Tut only? Or all the Armanas? I am thinking stepchild.....
Wonder what Ankhenton has to say about this. But Nef was Mitanni. Or was she Nubian ?
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Went back to look at what Trex was talking about, 5 vs 3. This is an updated version ? But what got my attention was it was co-authored by none other than Louisa Perriera!!! She did a lot of genetic work on Iberians and Africans.
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Proof again, North Africans are Negros and not Eurasians. At what str was the dummy value put? Also did you try dummies sets widely spaced eg 3, 5, 11, 24?
Also' which is the 3rd , west Asia, near east or Eurasia?
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this is on claim form the Hamitic Union thread:
egypt1011
I've been re-analyzing the JAMA paper as well as DNATribes.
Could it be possible JAMA is correct but DNATribes wrong? In the JAMA paper, there are only two published values:
DYS393=13 Y-GATA-H4=11
When plugged into WAHP we get an outcome of R1b 88%. This would agree with the Discovery Channel documentary and what genetic forums on the interent relay.
As far as DNATribes, they seem to zone in on only two of 8 alleles: D18S51=19 and D21S11=34 and ignore the other six. They further state that these alleles:
"today are more frequent in populations of Africa than in other parts of the world."
This leads me to conclude that it wasn't so in the past. Further, with a little investigative research, I have found that the D21S11=34 allele can be found across ALL populations and the highest frequency is represented in the Asian Balinese population.
D18S51=19 is found in the Asian Balti group, and is just as high in the Xhosa (African) group, both at 13.8%. It's found in 1.1% of Egyptians and 3.6% of both Berbers and European Americans.
So DNATribes appears to be misleading in this aspect, neither alleles are African specific, much less "black" specific.
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Thanks for the info on ALFRED . Kidd wrote that paper on FBI str analysis that I cited a few times on ESR and here.
Btw - this is much to do about nothing. Oh. It is obvious why they chose to focus on those two str.
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Btw. OP. do you think Sammy or Neal give a ...Ausar comes across as a compulsive liar. You know good cop bad cop
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quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol aka Ish Gebor: [QB] ^^^
So why do you think they zoned in on D18S51 and D21S11 and not the other six locus?
I don't know,
the poster claimed
" As far as DNATribes, they seem to zone in on only two of 8 alleles: D18S51=19 and D21S11=34 and ignore the other six. "
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Oh lord. How convenient for certain folk's emotional well-being that the OP of the original thread with the Egyptian aDNA results have disappeared. I suppose it's just a coincidence; that the OP has simply been deleted in an attempt to indiscriminately delete posts to preserve server space, right anonymous ES admin? If so, then you should have a problem with me reposting this, and continuing to do so if this thread or OP goes "missing" as well:
quote:Originally posted by by Son of Ra: Credit actually goes to beyoku for presenting this to everyone.
quote:OK A-M13 L3f Ok A-M13 L0a1 OK B-M150 L3d OK E-M2 L3e5 OK E-M2 L2a1 OK E-M123 L5a1 OK E-M35 R0a OK E-M41 L2a1 OK E-M41 L1b1a OK E-M75 M1 OK E-M78 L4b OK J-M267 L3i OK R-M173 L2 OK T-M184 L0a
^Just to give some context to this post for those who are new to this. These aDNA haplogroup profiles were originally posted on Forumbiodiversity, but, as you can see, the thread over there has "disappeared" as well. These results were obtained via personal communications, and in the original thread it was explained that they have yet to come out in a future publication.
I agree with lioness. Perhaps you shouldn't be jumping to the conclusion of a "conspiracy" of sorts by the moderator. There could be other explanations like glitches or maybe copyright violation.
Frankly, I don't see what good it would do to "censor" such information to begin with, especially since the data will published anyway! Censoring on 'Biodiversity' is no surprise as that site is overrun by racialists so having a racialist mod delete it is no surprise, but Egyptsearch on the other hand is a different story. I fail to see how all of a sudden Sammy would just turn to "hiding info" when all the time he's been moderating we've posted and displayed mountains of info on ancient Egyptian Africaness before. Posts: 26246 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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@ Brada, Z-man, Bass. I tried uploading the above image from ESR and the image is gone. In fact a lot of images uploaded "directly" to the board is now gone . External links are fine. Makes me think it is a storage capacity issue. Remember we talked about this when ESR was kicked off. I pulled this from my "stash". You guys may want to look into what is going on. I believe the words used was " unlimited " capacity.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: I fail to see how all of a sudden Sammy would just turn to "hiding info" when all the time he's been moderating we've posted and displayed mountains of info on ancient Egyptian Africaness before.
I agree. It doesn't make sense. And the thread about the haplogroups of Ancient Egyptians mummies is not even deleted completely so it's easy to find the information in what is left of the thread as people have reposted the results a couple of times in the same thread. This very thread would also be a good candidate for deletion.
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