What I noticed is that his poor reading comprehensions is what always gets him in trouble. Always. He picks arguments with many people for no reason due to not even understanding the context of what they post. I've realized that from him ever since I joined this site. Either that or he's trolling.
Indeed. It's not even that he reads what is explicitly stated but rather conjures or imagines what he THINKS is implied in the writing even though such is not the case! In other words, reading between the lines things that aren't really there!
A perfect example of this is when he misconstrues Swenet's factual statements about certain unique genetic traits of Nile Valley Africans as somehow meaning they have no genetic relation to other Africans or that they are a 'Hamitic-Caucasoid' race and so therefore Swenet is "racist". And because I agree and reaffirm the same facts then I am an "undercover racist" too.
I recall how when I pointed out how Middle Eastern people display African genetic traits showing that they have northeast African ancestry that post-dates OOA, he then accuses me of doing the exact opposite--- white-washing northeast Africans!
I'm telling you the guy is suffering from paranoid schizo delusions!
quote:Originally posted by Amanutjob The Ultimate:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: In fact I clearly stated that the Noba i.e. ancestors of modern Nubians originated west, so what are you arguing about?!!
Ok, my mistake, I misread you on that one.
Actually your mistake is that you misread me and others ALL THE TIME! I suggest you get off this forum and seek professional help, you mental case.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Everything is not online Ever use a university library to conduct research?
Try it.
That's stupid and you know it, you know perfectly well I often read and buy books which I even post exclusive extracts here.
My point still stand that your sources were dated and bad and the book excerpt posted by lioness by László Török (The Kingdom of Kush: Handbook of the Napatan-Meriotic Civilization ) is a much better source of information and practically a seminal work. It also support what was said before in this thread from various others sources like Rilly, another respected expert on Meroitic and Nilo-Saharan languages.
Djehuti this is another empty post by you. You're even a bigger cry baby than Swenet. If I kicked your ass with argumentation in some other threads and you want to take me up on it. Just bump it up and reply to those thread instead of coming crying about it in this thread.
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Who said Torok isn't a good source? Are we limited to only one source? Nothing in Torok contradicts what I wrote.
I don't know anything about you (except you will be contrary forever after the first time someone disagrees with you) nor do I want to know anything about you
I am here to know about * Egyptology * African Studies * supportive disciplines
and really? You have no point. You present nothing to disconfirms only your opinion and it's not about your opinion.
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^^ I told you your source of information were bad and I told you why. They are dated and not supported by other source. Then you went on to ignore my argumentation on why I think your source of information were bad to talk about some other stuff. For example I told you google search have no results related to QEVS and Keneset and you went on to talk about my suppose lack of book reading which is totally stupid as I often post exclusive book extracts here (and do read a lot). Then I told you about this work:
Which is practically a seminal work on Kush and is referenced and cited by many books. You went on to ignore all my argumentation and posting stupid stuff about reading books.
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You don't have an argument just an opinion.
You fail to show
* Nubia does not derive from the Noba (sp) * Qevs is not the root of Kush
To prove these negatives you need only but produce other standard academic etymological derivations for the terms.
You cannot do that. Just saying you have is not the same as one by one * presenting the word * your presumed counter etymology for it * complete citation of your references
I do know you like to argue for argument's sake but I don't time to ring around the mulberry bush with you. Put up or shut up or go on nattering.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
'Nubia' comes from the 4th century Noba founders of Nobatae successor to Meroe.
The Hebrew word Kush derives from the AEL word Kesh which which in turn comes from the word QEVS.
Hansberry (1977) say, after Sayce and Griffith of Oxford based on an inscription, the people under question themselves used Qevs as the original indigenous designation of their own country.
Unfortunately William Leo Hansberry died before he could publish that information in Africa & Africans himself and the published book's editor, Joseph Harris, occluded footnotes. However I did find this in the biblio:
Griffith, F. L. Meroitic Studies III and IV Journal of Egyptian Archeaology v4 London, 1917 pp. 21-24, 159-173
The precise info can be retrieved via interlibrary loan at a university.
The northern part of QEVS they called Keneset while the southern area to clear past the 6th cataract they called Alu.
One of the northern divisions was known as Athiye whence Aethiopia, and one of the southern divisions was Yesbe.
Hansberry knew more than 100 native QEVS words for their towns and cities and neighboring inhabitations including designations that covered wide stretches of land and diverse groups of people but he didn't get to publish them. He does tell us that Meroe is from the QEVS word for the city Merheu.
Get off the internet. Go to a university library. At least consult a professor.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: * Nubia does not derive from the Noba (sp) * Qevs is not the root of Kush
I don't have to disprove something you haven't proven yourself. The only thing or proof you posted about it are dated sources of information. The roots of Nubia has no importance as this is not a word Ancient Egyptians or Kushite ever used themselves in any of their literature to designate any people or territory. As for QEVS and Keneset, you also provide no proof beside your dated source and when you do a google search it doesn't gives you any results. So it can't be something supported by many sources.
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Anything you say bub. Pop goes the weasel. Knew you couldn't do the academic exercise of confirm/disconfirm backed by standard academic mainstream references such as provided by the Tufts University or the University of Chicago.
Do you really suppose Torok's ultimate inscription source references are not theose of of Griffith? Do you imagine for example that Akinaz' Stela somehow changed from Griffith day to Torok's. And isn't the stela itself old and outdated?
Keneset? I know you can't read hieroglyphic but try this search kenset nubia egypt
ROTFLMAO. You're a riot, somebody pick me up off the floor, please.
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quote:Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: ^^Tukuler what you posted above is bullshit. One source is 1854 the other 1917 and when you do a google search on QEVS and Keneset it doesn't provide any results.
The google book excerpt thelioness posted by László Török (The Kingdom of Kush: Handbook of the Napatan-Meriotic Civilization ) is a much better source of information and practically a seminal work (often cited in many books).
It is sad that you call the citations of Tukuler bs, because if you read the post from Torok you would note that he also cites Giffith.
Torok notes that the Meroites called their country Kush. He notes that the term was used in the incriptions of Tanyidamani. I deciphered the entire inscriptions years ago and published it in Nubica.
. Check out this decipherment of the Tanyidamani Stela the longest Meroitic inscription discovered so far.
Tukuler
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
It is sad that you call the citations of Tukuler bs, because if you read the post from Torok you would note that he also cites Giffith.
. Yes, it is a symptom of the current ES malady: going against anything and everything a poster says, due to personality issues, instead of being guided by the materials a poster cites.
At some point a fool must be left to his folly and readers can chose to side with personalities or learn from cited source material references.
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Yes, I said Tukuler's post was bullshit but I also challenged him to produce other sources, maybe from this era, mentioning "QEVS they called Keneset". When I do a google search on "QEVS" and "Keneset" together I don't see any source (in fact ZERO). Yes, I call that bullshit and I stand by my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Anything you say bub. Pop goes the weasel. Knew you couldn't do the academic exercise of confirm/disconfirm backed by standard academic mainstream references such as provided by the Tufts University or the University of Chicago.
Do you really suppose Torok's ultimate inscription source references are not theose of of Griffith? Do you imagine for example that Akinaz' Stela somehow changed from Griffith day to Torok's. And isn't the stela itself old and outdated?
Keneset? I know you can't read hieroglyphic but try this search kenset nubia egypt
ROTFLMAO. You're a riot, somebody pick me up off the floor, please.
And now it's time I took my own advice
Exactly the reason why I no longer respond to Ahmanutcase the Ultimate. There is no arguing with fools.
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"Rise Of The Black Pharaohs" on most local PBS stations. They are at it again, with more lies & distortions. This is the very first time I've seen such programming on PBS !! I believe they are preparing for the up roar for the film" Gods & Kings" by Ridely Scott, a remake of the Exodus story I.E." The Ten Commandments" called" Gods & Kings" with an all white cast ! The only Black people are slaves . PLEASE PROTEST IF APPEARS ON YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION ! email PBS your disapprove letting them know they can't pull the wool over your (our) collective eyes !
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Thanks everyone for the contributions, there are a lot of valuables materials in this thread. I also saw that some other topics related to Kush were created or re-actualise, that's great!
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