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^ If that's the case, that wouldn't surprise me considering that the Levant and Arabia both have significant North African genetic influence. Also as part of the political agenda North Africa is often grouped with Southwest Asia anyway to into a 'MENA' region. Funny how they are quick to lump North Africa with Southwest Asia than they are to lump North Africa with Sub-Sahara even though NA and SSA are all part of the same continent.
Also, note the hypocrisy since Europe, and especially southern Europe also has significant genetic influence from North Africa yet NEVER do you see or hear about Southern Euros being lumped with North Africans.
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Please, feel free to post more DNA-tests. Its getting very interesting. Especially on the North African marker. Or what is deemed as the North African marker.
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I thought I'll repost this due to its relevancy to the topic:
quote:Originally posted by Tyrannohotep: ..There probably is plenty of indigenous North African ancestry, but with everything we understand now, I don't any of us could seriously argue that this is going to be confused with any variant of sub-Saharan ancestry in most analyses. On a PCA chart here..
it'll probably plot in the vicinity of Taforalt or IAM. And we all know how those other two populations got interpreted by the media and Eurocentric bloggers.
^ Note the position of modern North Africans in the chart.
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Synop: 1. Tunisian Says great grandfather came from middleast. Understands that the Romans, Spanish and Arabs set up shop in North Africa Doesnt know any authentic Berbers in her hood. 23andMe West Asian/Middle east 36% Europe 33% 24% North African 6% Senegalese. 1% other African
2. Coptic 23andme 76% North African 23andmes north African includes Palestine, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. 20% Middle Eastern Includes Lebanon, Georgia, and Turkey
3. Egypt 71% North African 20% Middle East 5% SSA
Egyptian My Heritage DNA Middle East 46% North African 21% 12% Ethiopian Jew 10% Greek 3% Italian 2% Nigerian 1.5% Kenyan
The same 15% SSA as you see in DNA Tribes.
4. Ancestry DNA A very pale Egyptian Admits she doesnt look it. 77% Middle Eastern (Does not include African countries in their Middle East) 9% North African 5% South European 4% Nigerian (Are Yoruba SNPs hogging all non horner SSA?) 1% Euro Jew aka just European
5. Creamy pale Moroccan lady 32% North African 7% Senegal 35% ME 9% European
Dont say where they are from Dnaland and 23andMe 23andMe groups ME Bro and Sis East African 45% North African 6 Senegal 2 Arab/Egyptian 36% South Asian 4.7 Dravidian 2.5 Gujarati 2.1 NE Asian 1.3
6. Arab/Egyptian 31% South Asian 14% Dravidian 7% Gujarati 6.9% Central Asian 8.3% Indo-Iranian 5.8% Kalash 1.8 East African 41% North African 2.1% Senegal 1.1%
7. Pale Moroccan Says ignore the light skin Im African B. Ancestry DNA 50% NA 5% Senegal 1.5% Congo 20% Middle East 16% Iberian #Basal Euro markers
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The Tiny Therapist (pale Moroccan, as you put it) did a sequel with a different company. Its now even more absurd. She explains how her grand mother is straight from Germany.
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This The Tiny Therapist chick is VERY open minded compared to most NA bloggers I gotta admit.
Anyways good thread Ish.
Edit: Finishing up the video and she really is spilling the beans. She even admits to Northwest Africans having mostly curly hair which MANY North Africans on ABF deny. lol. Also addresses racism in the NA community and even considers herself African.
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: This The Tiny Therapist chick is VERY open minded compared to most NA bloggers I gotta admit.
Anyways good thread Ish.
Edit: Finishing up the video and she really is spilling the beans. She even admits to Northwest Africans having mostly curly hair which MANY North Africans on ABF deny. lol. Also addresses racism in the NA community and even considers herself African.
Perhaps shes been reading from EG?!
Who are these bloggers?
What is ABF?
Lastly, its a know fact most North Africans have curly hair. I have been saying and showing this for so long, here. Most females straighten their hair. Many products Black American females use are being used in North Africa as well.
I saw a documentary years ago about a Yemeni-wedding, and the bride her hair was being straightened with products I have seen Black women in the West are using.
I have to say that there is a African conscious movement going on in NA as well. I remember years ago, a encounter I had with a guy from Morocco. He looked like a Pakistani dude. I told him I that, and he got really upset with me over it.
Long story short, many do consider themselves African. But not just African, rather North African.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: Perhaps shes been reading from EG?!
Whats EG?
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Who are these bloggers?
What is ABF?
ABF=Forumbiodiversity and also other forums, blogs and social media platforms where Northwest Africans state the same thing.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Lastly, its a know fact most North Africans have curly hair. I have been saying and showing this for so long, here. Most females straighten their hair. Many products Black American females use are being used in North Africa as well.
Never knew this. Reminds me of Ricans/Dominicans.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
I saw a documentary years ago about a Yemeni-wedding, and the bride her hair was being straightened with products I have seen Black women in the West are using.
Interesting.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
I have to say that there is a African conscious movement going on in NA as well. I remember years ago, a encounter I had with a guy from Morocco. He looked like a Pakistani dude. I told him I that, and he got really upset with me over it.
I don't know about this. I notice they try to have it both ways. Sure they'll say that they are "African" but they'll also say that they have zero to do with "Sub Saharan Africans" and are basically native Caucasoids in Africa. Again what I notice from the more hyper racist ones. My ex on the other hand considered herself Black but only because she was raised in the hood lol.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
Long story short, many do consider themselves African. But not just African, rather North African.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I remember years ago, a encounter I had with a guy from Morocco. He looked like a Pakistani dude. I told him I that, and he got really upset with me over it.
why did you tell him that?
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: The Tiny Therapist (pale Moroccan, as you put it) did a sequel with a different company. Its now even more absurd. She explains how her grand mother is straight from Germany.
We have discussed these things here. And now we see things falling in place.
Shout to Serene Hadaya for doing this.
Appearetnly she did a second test, without a video.
NEW ancestry estimate is: 54% middle east, 38% turkey and caucasus, 5% iran and persia, 2% italy, 1% greek and balkans my NEW 23andme estimate is: 75.8% syria, 13.1% north african and arabian, 4.5% broadly western asian & north african, 0.8% ashkenazi jewish, 0.7% balkan, 3.1% broadly Southern European, 0.4% broadly european, 0.2% broadly northern asian and native american, 0.2% broadly east asian & native american, 0.1% sub-saharan african, & 1.1% unassigned.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: The Tiny Therapist (pale Moroccan, as you put it) did a sequel with a different company. Its now even more absurd. She explains how her grand mother is straight from Germany.
Do you think it's possible she has Vandal ancestry??
Could be, considering we have more knowledge about the topic than most people.
About 6 years ago I had a conversation with a Moraccan and a Cape Verdean girl. Actually it was their conversation, but I was with them.
The Moroccan girl said she knew a Cape Verdean girl who looks just a like a Moroccan (And I suspect who she was talking about), she continued with how she also had a Moraccan female friend who looked complete European, she said: "blond hair blue eye" etc..
I didn't say a thing because I don't want get people upset or even depressed.
quote: The general analysis (based on historical sources, epigraphy and archaeological evidence) focuses on transitions in town and country and economy from Roman to Vandal and to Byzantine rule and observing patterns and facets of continuity and change.
Background: The most recent Alu insertions reveal different series of characteristics such as stability that make them particularly suitable genetic markers for human biological studies.
Subjects and methods: Forty-seven Berbers from Sejnane and 33 from Takrouna were sampled. Alu insertion polymorphism was analysed using PCR with loci specific primers.
Results: A similar level of gene diversity was detected in Sejnane and Takrouna populations. PC results revealed genetic affinities between these two populations and some Eurasian populations ( Germany, Genova and Syria). In contrast, there is a differentiation between these two Berber communities and North African and Iberian populations.
Conclusion: The results of this study confirm the heterogeneity of Berbers in North Africa, which suggests their diverse origins. In the case of Sejnane and Takrouna populations, these results are in line with an ancient Euro Mediterranean background that has already been studied by archaeologists, particularly for the population of Sejnane.
~S. Frigi, H. Ennafaa, M. Ben Amor, L. Cherni and A. Ben Ammar-Elgaaied
Assessing human genetic diversity in Tunisian Berber populations by Alu insertion polymorphisms
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: I remember years ago, a encounter I had with a guy from Morocco. He looked like a Pakistani dude. I told him I that, and he got really upset with me over it.
why did you tell him that?
It was in the mid-90's. I don't remember what the conversation was about. I do remember his reaction.
quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: Whats EG?
I mean ES Egypt Search.
quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: I don't know about this. I notice they try to have it both ways. Sure they'll say that they are "African" but they'll also say that they have zero to do with "Sub Saharan Africans" and are basically native Caucasoids in Africa. Again what I notice from the more hyper racist ones.
This has to do with the fact that some Black Americans are trying to exclude them from the "African collective" as being African (even some sub Saharan Africans look at them crooked like a stepchild).
And secondly, because they have been influenced by foreign entities as well (to put it like that).
quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: My ex on the other hand considered herself Black but only because she was raised in the hood lol.
A lot do. They have African swag.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ If that's the case, that wouldn't surprise me considering that the Levant and Arabia both have significant North African genetic influence. Also as part of the political agenda North Africa is often grouped with Southwest Asia anyway to into a 'MENA' region. Funny how they are quick to lump North Africa with Southwest Asia than they are to lump North Africa with Sub-Sahara even though NA and SSA are all part of the same continent.
Also, note the hypocrisy since Europe, and especially southern Europe also has significant genetic influence from North Africa yet NEVER do you see or hear about Southern Euros being lumped with North Africans.
That's totally normal because NA share more things in common with the middle east and south europe than with sub-saharan africa. It's like saying armenians and chinese should be grouped together simply because they live on the same continent...that just doesn't make sense. Moreover the North african influence on southern europe is tiny and the islamic culture divided the mediterranean area in two (unfortunately).
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: This The Tiny Therapist chick is VERY open minded compared to most NA bloggers I gotta admit.
Anyways good thread Ish.
Edit: Finishing up the video and she really is spilling the beans. She even admits to Northwest Africans having mostly curly hair which MANY North Africans on ABF deny. lol. Also addresses racism in the NA community and even considers herself African.
That's simply false you have already seen me and my parents none of us have curly hair and no one in my family and among my friends have curly hair.
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quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: My result I'm from north morocco :
Can you show a breakdown. So we can see what is what? Like E or J1, J2 etc. or any European admixture.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ If that's the case, that wouldn't surprise me considering that the Levant and Arabia both have significant North African genetic influence. Also as part of the political agenda North Africa is often grouped with Southwest Asia anyway to into a 'MENA' region. Funny how they are quick to lump North Africa with Southwest Asia than they are to lump North Africa with Sub-Sahara even though NA and SSA are all part of the same continent.
Also, note the hypocrisy since Europe, and especially southern Europe also has significant genetic influence from North Africa yet NEVER do you see or hear about Southern Euros being lumped with North Africans.
That's totally normal because NA share more things in common with the middle east and south europe than with sub-saharan africa. It's like saying armenians and chinese should be grouped together simply because they live on the same continent...that just doesn't make sense. Moreover the North african influence on southern europe is tiny and the islamic culture divided the mediterranean area in two (unfortunately).
Thats a funny comment, considering that in your plot (you show) there is no Middle East.
quote: Y-chromosome haplogroup tree
The Y-chromosome haplogroup tree has been constructed manually following YCC 2008 nomenclature20 with some modifications.35 The tree (Supplementary Figure S1) contains the E haplogroups of Eritrean populations from this study and those reported in the literature.22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 Genotyping results for E-V13, E-V12, E-V22 and E-V32 reported for Eritrean samples and elsewhere23, 27 were retracted to E-M78 haplogroup level. All the analyses in this study were done at the same resolution using the following 17 bi-allelic markers: E-M96, E-M33, E-P2, E-M2, E-M58, E-M191, E-M154, E-M329, E-M215, E-M35, E-M78, E-M81, E-M123, E-M34, E-V6, E-V16/E-M281 and E-M75.
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Median-joining (MJ) network. Network manipulated to fit the geography of the extant populations. MJ network was constructed using E haplogroup frequencies. Group represented by ITAL contains all the Italian samples pooled. Populations descriptions are given in Supplementary Table S1.
NJ tree based on FST values generated from Arlequin 3.11. Population names are as given in Supplementary Table S1. Population life style: circle agriculturalists; square pastoralists; triangle nomads; inverted triangle nomadic pastoralists; diamond agro-pastoralists. The populations are colored according to their language family: red Afro-asiatic; blue Nilo-Saharan; green Niger-Kordofanian; yellow Khoisan; black Italic and Basque.
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Interestingly, this ancestral cluster includes populations like Fulani who has previously shown to display Eastern African ancestry, common history with the Hausa who are the furthest Afro-Asiatic speakers to the west in the Sahel, with a large effective size and complex genetic background.23 The Fulani who currently speak a language classified as Niger-Kordofanian may have lost their original tongue to as sociated sedentary group similar to other cattle herders in Africa a common tendency among pastoralists. Clearly cultural trends exemplified by populations, like Hausa or Massalit, the latter who have neither strong tradition in agriculture nor animal husbandry, were established subsequent to the initial differentiation of haplogroup E. For example, the early clusters within the network also include Nilo-Saharan speakers like Kunama of Eritrea and Nilotic of Sudan who are ardent nomadic pastoralists but speak a language of non-Afro-Asiatic background the predominant linguistic family within the macrohaplogroup.
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The Sahel, which extends between the Atlantic coast of Africa and the Red Sea plateau, represents one of the least sampled areas and populations in the domain of human genetics. The position of Eritrea adjacent to the Red Sea coast provides opportunities for insights regarding human migrations within and beyond the African landscape.
Results
One query, however, is whether the major macrohaplogroup E present almost in all continents and with particularly high frequency in East and North Africa in plethora of ancestral lineages, because of gene flow or an original early event of in situ evolution.
--Eyoab I Gebremeskel1,2 and Muntaser E Ibrahim1
European Journal of Human Genetics (2014) 22, 13871392; doi:10.1038/ejhg.2014.41; published online 26 March 2014
Y-chromosome E haplogroups: their distribution and implication to the origin of Afro-Asiatic languages and pastoralism
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quote:Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: This The Tiny Therapist chick is VERY open minded compared to most NA bloggers I gotta admit.
Anyways good thread Ish.
Edit: Finishing up the video and she really is spilling the beans. She even admits to Northwest Africans having mostly curly hair which MANY North Africans on ABF deny. lol. Also addresses racism in the NA community and even considers herself African.
That's simply false you have already seen me and my parents none of us have curly hair and no one in my family and among my friends have curly hair.
Willing to be corrected. Also be wary of posting large images.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor: You need to link or shrink the image because its ridiculously and unnecessary large. And you are messing up the thread.
And what is the source, how was the data gathered? And what is "North Marocco"? Name the place, please. Is it coastal etc...?
So say you are J1, but J1 isn't natively North African. So if that 77.1% is J1 there is something off.
Lastly, not everyone in Morocco is Berber, or native.
Wait a minute why are you so offensive like that ? be respectful please.
North morocco in my case is : Tafersit ( rif mountain on my mother's side) and Oujda/berkane on my father's side and yes it is the mediterranean coast of Morocco.
so it's probably very old...I also know some southern europeans with J1 it doesn't make them arabs. And as I said my tests show that I'm even less ME shifted than the great majority of maghrebis.
Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
99% of his posts on this site are afrocentrists lies so he's probably a very dark skinned tuareg or he's simply lying about his identity.
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
99% of his posts on this site are afrocentrists lies so he's probably a very dark skinned tuareg or he's simply lying about his identity.
STICK to the topic at hand. We don't need character assassinations. Ish's skin complexion has no relevancy on the discussion.
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
99% of his posts on this site are afrocentrists lies so he's probably a very dark skinned tuareg or he's simply lying about his identity.
99% of the Tuareg have dark skin. And have afro-textured hair type.
quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: Wait a minute why are you so offensive like that ? be respectful please.
By off I don't mean to offend. I mean, it's not native.
But you lack M81, correct?
quote:E-M81 has been found at high frequencies (71%) in Northwestern Africa and its frequency decreases towards the East;...
In spite of a reduction in STR heterozygosity towards the West, which would point to an origin in the Near East, ancient DNA evidence together with our TMRCA estimates point to a local origin of E-M183 in NW Africa.
~Comas D, Fadhlaoui-Zid K et al. Whole Y-chromosome sequences reveal an extremely recent origin of the most common North African paternal lineage E-M183 (M81)
And again, what did they sequence?
Of course, J1 could (can) be found amongst the Guanches.
Specualed is that the settled in the region from 1000 BC to at least 400 years ago.
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Not that I have a problem with it, but these results are unassigned.
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
99% of his posts on this site are afrocentrists lies so he's probably a very dark skinned tuareg or he's simply lying about his identity.
99% of the Tuareg have dark skin. And have afro-textured hair type.
quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: Wait a minute why are you so offensive like that ? be respectful please.
By off I don't mean to offend. I mean, it's not native.
But you lack M81, correct?
quote:E-M81 has been found at high frequencies (71%) in Northwestern Africa and its frequency decreases towards the East;...
In spite of a reduction in STR heterozygosity towards the West, which would point to an origin in the Near East, ancient DNA evidence together with our TMRCA estimates point to a local origin of E-M183 in NW Africa.
~Comas D, Fadhlaoui-Zid K et al. Whole Y-chromosome sequences reveal an extremely recent origin of the most common North African paternal lineage E-M183 (M81)
And again, what did they sequence?
Of course, J1 could (can) be found amongst the Guanches.
Specualed is that the settled in the region from 1000 BC to at least 400 years ago.
with two minorities one looking like west africans and another one looking like the original tuaregs (equidians) who appeared in the sahara during the Neolithic era and enslaved the local native black populations.
Moreover studies show that moroccans are mainly berbers with no difference between berber speakers and arabic speakers. And that's false no berber colonized those islands 400 years ago wtf 400 years ago those islands were already controlled by iberians. Also one member of my lineage being arab doesn't make me arab autosomal results are way more important.
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quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: Not true at all the great majority of tuaregs look mixed like this one : https://imgur.com/KQa6FsO
with two minorities one looking like west africans and another one looking like the original tuaregs (equidians) who appeared in the Sahara during the Neolithic era and enslaved the local native black populations.
Moreover studies show that Moroccans are mainly berbers with no difference between berber speakers and arabic speakers. And that's false no berber colonized those islands 400 years ago wtf 400 years ago those islands were already controlled by iberians. Also one member of my lineage being arab doesn't make me arab autosomal results are way more important.
Protips, 1. drop some sources here... "studies shown" won't cut it when general sweeping claims. 2. This is isn't a race forum, you can bring your political qualms to Deshret. If you're here to datamine I suggest you lurk and ask questions before picking a fight. You won't be able to pick up steam here with short sided analysis just because you're antagonizing black people.
Otherwise welcome and happy posting.
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quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: Not true at all the great majority of tuaregs look mixed like this one : https://imgur.com/KQa6FsO
with two minorities one looking like west africans and another one looking like the original tuaregs (equidians) who appeared in the Sahara during the Neolithic era and enslaved the local native black populations.
Moreover studies show that Moroccans are mainly berbers with no difference between berber speakers and arabic speakers. And that's false no berber colonized those islands 400 years ago wtf 400 years ago those islands were already controlled by iberians. Also one member of my lineage being arab doesn't make me arab autosomal results are way more important.
Protips, 1. drop some sources here... "studies shown" won't cut it when general sweeping claims. 2. This is isn't a race forum, you can bring your political qualms to Deshret. If you're here to datamine I suggest you lurk and ask questions before picking a fight. You won't be able to pick up steam here with short sided analysis just because you're antagonizing black people.
Otherwise welcome and happy posting.
hahaha hello elmaestro thank you for your tips ( Sorry I'm just new here )
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Lastly yes almost everyone in morocco is berber and native it's not an afram who will teach me something about my own country so he can claim our history.
The person you are speaking to is a Tuareg Berber.... Not an Afram.
99% of his posts on this site are afrocentrists lies so he's probably a very dark skinned tuareg or he's simply lying about his identity.
99% of the Tuareg have dark skin. And have afro-textured hair type.
quote:Originally posted by Nassbean: Wait a minute why are you so offensive like that ? be respectful please.
By off I don't mean to offend. I mean, it's not native.
But you lack M81, correct?
quote:E-M81 has been found at high frequencies (71%) in Northwestern Africa and its frequency decreases towards the East;...
In spite of a reduction in STR heterozygosity towards the West, which would point to an origin in the Near East, ancient DNA evidence together with our TMRCA estimates point to a local origin of E-M183 in NW Africa.
~Comas D, Fadhlaoui-Zid K et al. Whole Y-chromosome sequences reveal an extremely recent origin of the most common North African paternal lineage E-M183 (M81)
And again, what did they sequence?
Of course, J1 could (can) be found amongst the Guanches.
Specualed is that the settled in the region from 1000 BC to at least 400 years ago.
with two minorities one looking like west africans and another one looking like the original tuaregs (equidians) who appeared in the sahara during the Neolithic era and enslaved the local native black populations.
Moreover studies show that moroccans are mainly berbers with no difference between berber speakers and arabic speakers. And that's false no berber colonized those islands 400 years ago wtf 400 years ago those islands were already controlled by iberians. Also one member of my lineage being arab doesn't make me arab autosomal results are way more important.
Where do most Kel reside? lol
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