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Are there also "Somalid" Bantus, since Somalians are everywhere?
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Technically, since they seem to use the term as a synonym for anywhere East Africans have migrated... the first major settlement in West Africa was around 40kya but modern West Africans are mostly E3a because of events happening 30-10 kya including the Neolithic Sahara so basically yes.
If "Somalid" counts for East Africans as far back as 60kya then all humanity is "Somalid".
quote:Originally posted by azkanasi ju: Are there also "Somalid" Bantus, since Somalians are everywhere?
Well ofcourse, there are plenty of Somalid Bantus mainly in East africa in particular Kenya and Tanzania. But somalids are more represented among the Nilotes than the Bantu. Rendille, Massai, Iraqwa, Luo and Sambura are all somalid nilotics. Obama is a half Somalid nilotic.
Obama connecting to his Somalid roots.
But Somalids in SE-Africa are very recent compared to somalids in the northern hemisphere (above equator). This since Somalids for some reason have a tendency historically to move northwards than south or west.
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quote:Originally posted by azkanasi ju: Are there also "Somalid" Bantus, since Somalians are everywhere?
There needs to be a definition of exactly what 'Somalid' is..
Somalid is a unique profile of blood, everyone who carries this blood is a "Somalid", E1b1b is the scientific name of this blood. They all come from a single Northeast-African root, some more bastardized than others. Southern Greeks/Albanians/Anatolians and coastal levantines are watered down Somalids, northern Egyptians are also relatively watered down Somalids compared to cenral and southern Egyptians, same with kabyle and Riffian Berbers. 500 years from now if my male descendants continue living in northern Europe, they will all be watered down Somalids, but will still retain their Somalid signiture. Posts: 1554 | Registered: Jul 2006
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Somalids are masters when it comes to disguise, it just takes a single generation for them to completly infiltrate phenotipically the new host society.
Jews copied this survival trait from Somalids, since they are partly Somalids themselves. Their ancestors (along with phoenicians) were the first none-African people to interact with Somalids through the Sinai corridor. It's not a coincidence that these (same with Greece) are the closest location of their respective continents to NorthEast-Africa.
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If "Somalid" counts for East Africans as far back as 60kya then all humanity is "Somalid".
No, not that far, since many clades carried by most modern people didn't even exist during that time, 60k is way to far back. E3a and E3b splited some 30 thousand years ago. E3b mutated (somewhere in NE Africa) into sub-clades during the last 5-10 thousand years, which is quite recent.
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Obama connecting to his Somalid roots.
Obamas' father was from Kenya; NOT Somalia.
Why are you referencing Obama as getting in touch with his "Somalid" roots?
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Somalid is a unique profile of blood, everyone who carries this blood is a "Somalid", E1b1b is the scientific name of this blood.
According to whom kid; you?
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Somalids are masters when it comes to disguise,
Could this be why an individual might try to portray a Somali; when truly he is not?
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: No, not that far, since many clades carried by most modern people didn't even exist during that time, 60k is way to far back. E3a and E3b splited some 30 thousand years ago. E3b mutated (somewhere in NE Africa) into sub-clades during the last 5-10 thousand years, which is quite recent.
According to whom did E3a and E3b split 30kya; and, amongst what populations did these mutations occur and how did they look phenotypically?
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Obama connecting to his Somalid roots.
Obamas' father was from Kenya; NOT Somalia.
Why are you referencing Obama as getting in touch with his "Somalid" roots?
LOl, i don't claim Obama, i just state the facts.
Kenya is a modern nation with hundred of ethnicieties, if you didn' know, the whole northern kenya belongs to Somali nomads, it's not a heterogenous nation like Sweden. Kenya is a melting pot of many people, Nilo-saharans, Afrasians and Niger-congo speaking populations. Obama's father belongs to the Luo group, who are Nilo-Saharans and have been interacting with the Afrasians way before the Bantu expansion reached kenya. I bet if Obama got tested today he would belong to the E1b1b family, which automatically makes him a Somalid, simple as that Posts: 1554 | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Obama connecting to his Somalid roots.
Obamas' father was from Kenya; NOT Somalia.
Why are you referencing Obama as getting in touch with his "Somalid" roots?
LOl, i don't claim Obama, i just state the facts
Which facts would these be; and according to whom?
Btw, who said you were claiming Obama?
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Kenya is a modern nation with hundred of ethnicieties, if you didn' know, the whole northern kenya belongs to Somali nomads, it's not a heterogenous nation like Sweden.
So according to you; there is no such thing as a Kenyan, I.e, they are really Somalis(your imaginary Somalids)?
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: No, not that far, since many clades carried by most modern people didn't even exist during that time, 60k is way to far back. E3a and E3b splited some 30 thousand years ago. E3b mutated (somewhere in NE Africa) into sub-clades during the last 5-10 thousand years, which is quite recent.
According to whom did E3a and E3b split 30kya; and, amongst what populations did these mutations occur and how did they look phenotypically?
According to Cruciani et. al (2004). I'm not going to act as your librarian go fetch it yourself.
Also, no one knows how they looked phenotypically, it's really irrelevant since phenotype is is an adaptive trait, only Nazis care about phenotype (Be they "black" or "white".)
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: No, not that far, since many clades carried by most modern people didn't even exist during that time, 60k is way to far back. E3a and E3b splited some 30 thousand years ago. E3b mutated (somewhere in NE Africa) into sub-clades during the last 5-10 thousand years, which is quite recent.
According to whom did E3a and E3b split 30kya; and, amongst what populations did these mutations occur and how did they look phenotypically?
According to Cruciani et. al (2004). I'm not going to act as your librarian go fetch it yourself.
Go fetch?
Your immediate defensive attack from being asked simple questions, is quite telling.
Well,
According to published data Africans descendant of AB and E [40kya~] lineages with the PN2 clade denoting the common ancestor of all E3A and E3b Africans with E3b splitting about 25kya~.
This underscores the common root of PN2 clade Y chromosome as shown....
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: Also, no one knows how they looked phenotypically, it's really irrelevant since phenotype is is an adaptive trait, only Nazis care about phenotype (Be they "black" or "white".)
It's completely relevant, as you're the one stating E3b derived mutations after a split from E3a 30kya; hence the question of where did these mutations you describe arise, and amongst whom?
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: So according to you; there is no such thing as a Kenyan, I.e, they are really Somalis(your imaginary Somalids)?
No! That's an un-intelligent way of interpreting my post. I said modern Kenya has hundreds of ethnicities it's no like Sweden where the overwhelming majority of it's people share same recent origin. Kenya is a melting pot of many different ethnicities where the Somali ethnicity is one among hundreds of Kenyan ethnicities.
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: So according to you; there is no such thing as a Kenyan, I.e, they are really Somalis(your imaginary Somalids)?
No! That's an un-intelligent way of interpreting my post. I said modern Kenya has hundreds of ethnicities it's no like Sweden where the overwhelming majority of it's people share same recent origin. Kenya is a melting pot of many different ethnicities where the Somali ethnicity is one among hundreds of Kenyan ethnicities.
So Kenyans and Somalians do not know amongst themselves who is who? Somalians in Keyna regard themselves as Kenyan?
e.g., Obama stating that he is the son of a black Kenyan man is really false because according to you; he is a "Somalid"?
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: So according to you; there is no such thing as a Kenyan, I.e, they are really Somalis(your imaginary Somalids)?
No! That's an un-intelligent way of interpreting my post.
What's unintelligent is you promoting derivatives of E3b, and a man from Kenya as "Somalid".
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: According to published data Africans descendant of AB and E [40kya~] lineages with the PN2 clade denoting the common ancestor of all E3A and E3b Africans with E3b splitting about 25kya~.
Then why the hell are you arguing? I said about 30kya (okay you say 25kya, whatever the difference ) still doesn't change the facts that E3a splited from E3b atleast 15kya before E3b mutated into it's current sub-clades.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yonis2: [qb] I bet if Obama got tested today he would belong to the E1b1b family, which automatically makes him a Somalid, simple as that
Do elaborate with a genetic explanation.....
Why is this gene "Somalid; what makes it "Somalid"?
These derivative haplotypes of E3b brought into Europe; were expanded by "Somalids"
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: According to published data Africans descendant of AB and E [40kya~] lineages with the PN2 clade denoting the common ancestor of all E3A and E3b Africans with E3b splitting about 25kya~.
Then why the hell are you arguing? I said about 30kya (okay you say 25kya, whatever the difference ) still doesn't change the facts that E3a splited from E3b atleast 15kya before E3b mutated into it's current sub-clades.
What did this mutation involve? Did these genetic mutations have effect on phenotypic changes etc..?
Btw, no one is arguing, I am simply checking your reference.
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: So according to you; there is no such thing as a Kenyan, I.e, they are really Somalis(your imaginary Somalids)?
No! That's an un-intelligent way of interpreting my post. I said modern Kenya has hundreds of ethnicities it's no like Sweden where the overwhelming majority of it's people share same recent origin. Kenya is a melting pot of many different ethnicities where the Somali ethnicity is one among hundreds of Kenyan ethnicities.
So Kenyans and Somalians do not know amongst themselves who is who? Somalians in Keyna regard themselves as Kenyan?
e.g., Obama stating that he is the son of a black Kenyan man is really false because according to you; he is a "Somalid"?
Obama is most likely a Somalid since his father is Luo Btw, Somalids doesn't equall modern somalis, although modern Somalis are Somalids.
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: According to published data Africans descendant of AB and E [40kya~] lineages with the PN2 clade denoting the common ancestor of all E3A and E3b Africans with E3b splitting about 25kya~.
Then why the hell are you arguing? I said about 30kya (okay you say 25kya, whatever the difference ) still doesn't change the facts that E3a splited from E3b atleast 15kya before E3b mutated into it's current sub-clades.
What did this mutation involve? Did these genetic mutations ave effect on phenotypic changes etc..?
Btw, no one is arguing, I am simply checking your reference.
Phenotype is a function of environment, so wherever these sub-clades mutated they adapted to their in-situ environment.
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quote:MaximallyAbstract_Faith wrote: In essence you're saying E1b1b admixture anywhere found comes from Somali expansions?
No, not from Somalis expansion but from the ancestors of Somalis, expansion. They didn't necessarily expand from modern Somalia, most likely somewhere in Ethiopia, Sudan or southern Egypt.
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: According to published data Africans descendant of AB and E [40kya~] lineages with the PN2 clade denoting the common ancestor of all E3A and E3b Africans with E3b splitting about 25kya~.
Then why the hell are you arguing? I said about 30kya (okay you say 25kya, whatever the difference ) still doesn't change the facts that E3a splited from E3b atleast 15kya before E3b mutated into it's current sub-clades.
What did this mutation involve? Did these genetic mutations have effect on phenotypic changes etc..?
Btw, no one is arguing, I am simply checking your reference.
Phenotype is a function of environment, so wherever these sub-clades mutated they adapted to their in-situ environment.
So why are you calling one derivative "Somalid"?
....and I am asking you where and when did these sub-clades mutate amongst whom; do you know?
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2:
quote:MaximallyAbstract_Faith wrote: In essence you're saying E1b1b admixture anywhere found comes from Somali expansions?
No, not from Somalis expansion but from the ancestors of Somalis, expansion.
Again, according to whom?
What is exactly your definition of a "Somalid"?
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Btw, I am not "Alive-what box" , a.k.a "MaximallyAbstract_Faith".
All Northeast africans have the same recent root, that's just the way it is. And NE Africans have expanded historically into the levant coast and southeast Europe among many other places. The trademark of NE Africans is eternally printed in the blood of all places they settled untill this date, nothing me and you can change about it. Posts: 1554 | Registered: Jul 2006
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Btw, I am not "Alive-what box" , a.k.a "MaximallyAbstract_Faith".
All Northeast africans have the same recent root, that's just the way it is.
All modern humans have an East African origin, and that's just the way it is; so what's your point
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: And NE Africans have expanded historically into the levant coast and southeast Europe among many other places.
Yes, they also populated the whole Africa(from 200kya), and the entire world(from around 60-80kya).
quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: The trademark of NE Africans is eternally printed in the blood of all places they settled untill this date, nothing me and you can change about it.
Indeed, which is why OOA(Out of Africa) is confirmed, and it's proven that all non Africans descend from a subset of East Africans...
..but this doesn't explain why you call these genes Somalid.
What these genes do represent, are indigenous tropical Africans.
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quote:MindoverMatter718 wrote: What is exactly your definition of a "Somalid"?
You can call our ancestors X, Y or Z, all kind of terminologies can be applied to describe them. The "Assyrian" character in SF chose to call them "Somalids" and i personally like this choice of name, so i also call everyone descendant from them "Somalids", it's actually that simple University proffesers don't need to be the only ones who can coin words.
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: The "Assyrian" character in SF chose to call them "Somalids" and i personally like this choice of name,
Translation; it's a made up term, coined by a non scholar, and hence not to be ever taken seriously.
I understand.
That puts an end to this erroneous thread.
Well scholars are also humans, most of what they coin is based on their ethnic biase, they are not divine as being above none-objectiveness. Why would a term coined by a scholar be more genuine than an informed layman?
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quote:Originally posted by Yonis2: The "Assyrian" character in SF chose to call them "Somalids" and i personally like this choice of name,
Translation; it's a made up term, coined by a non scholar, and hence not to be ever taken seriously.
I understand.
That puts an end to this erroneous thread.
Well scholars are also humans, most of what they coin is based on their ethnic biase, they are not divine as being above none-objectiveness. Why would a term coined by a scholar be more genuine than an informed layman?
A scholar would back up what he proposes with significant evidence; so far you haven't.
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We the Somalids can never be compared to any other people or group, our ancestors have laid seeds that flourished in three continents, Africa, Europe and Asia, we are a proud people, inprinted in our minds since we got borned, we inherently know that without us the human species would be nothing. And our ethnical base is NorthEast Africa.
All haters can go aside.
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^ The DNA lineages as quite clearly mentioned above are indigenous tropical Africans. So far you have based your dubious theory on a guy from Stormfront, and have yet to produce a credible definition of 'Somalid."
The more you post this crap, the more the "Stormfront" drones make you a laughing stock. Quote from yet another 'front' page:
Haplogroup E1b1 isnt ''Somalid'' or negroid like you want to think.Don't forget that E1b1 is also in Turkey at a big amount.Negroes were slaves,not conquerors.
They then go on to spam the "Mideast" theory which they are spamming throughout Wikipedia in an attempt to deny, hide or obscure the existence of Elongated Africans. Its the same old crap, only now they cloak it in DNA verbiage. The more you put out your shaky claim, the more ammunition you are giving to the enemies of real African history.
Their latest little trick is to pose as "concerned" Ethiopians or "Egyptians" who want to keep their history "pure" of "blacks" as in the bullshite on this link below with yet more tools (some bogus agent provocateurs) pushing the 'Somalid' line. Get a grip kid. You are being played. http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T670JCS5NTJ0SJCJ5/p65Posts: 73 | From: Bolville | Registered: Nov 2008
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quote: But somalids are more represented among the Nilotes than the Bantu. Rendille, Massai, Iraqwa, Luo and Sambura are all somalid nilotics. Obama is a half Somalid nilotic.
Obama connecting to his Somalid roots.
The Luo are close relatives of the shilluck in southern Sudan, in fact collectively they call themselves Luo. The Luo are in essence a Sudanese tribe.
The Luo are cousins of the Dinka and Nuer. All of these tribes have made fantastical and elaborate myths demonstrating their family relation.
The Dinka, Nuer, Luo/Shilluck have the same words for water, fire, food and other linguistically encompassing words.
The shilluck have been celeberating Obama's rise to the presidency.
All these tribes are of course Nilotic Nilo-Saharans. They're usually tall and slender, and demonstrate high reverence to cattle.
The Nilotics consider themseleves superior to the *Bantus* in southern Sudan, and virtually control the government, although John Garang's leadership fostered inimity between the Nuer and the Dinka.
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quote:Originally posted by carambolas: ^ The DNA lineages as quite clearly mentioned above are indigenous tropical Africans. So far you have based your dubious theory on a guy from Stormfront, and have yet to produce a credible definition of 'Somalid."
It doesn't matter what we call these ancien NE Africans, we could name them "Carambolas" if we like, it still doesn't change the fact that "carambolas" were and are a tangible group of people mainly based in NE Africa.
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If it "doesn't matter" what we call them, why then do you insist on a term like 'Somalid' which you can't even define? You are playing into the hands of the Stormfront spammers when you can't even produce a credible definition or defense.
And it does matter what we call them. For too long African peoples have been labeled everything else but Africans. The 'Front' drones whether showing their racist colors outright, or cloaking themselves behind bogus personas as "concerned" Ethiopians or bogus "concerned Egyptians" are desperately trying to deny the foundations that arose in sub-Saharan Africa or the variety of Africa and are pulling out all the propaganda stops to do so. You have to be able to defend what you are saying forcefully with these people, backed with solid scholarship. Like Hank Aaron's bio is titled: "I Had A Hammer." Get the hammer of knowledge. Take a tip from Mind Matter above and get educated kid. Try the paper below referenced in one of the very es threads you linked to, to get started.
The "Assyrian" character in SF chose to call them "Somalids" and i personally like this choice of name
But if they erroneously referred to that same lineage as "Bantu" or "Bantid" Lol, I suspect you'd have issue with the term then, no?
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Haplogroup E1b1 isnt ''Somalid'' or negroid like you want to think.Don't forget that E1b1 is also in Turkey at a big amount.Negroes were slaves,not conquerors.
SO? Why do you care what an individual "white" racialist writes? Everyone has subjective opinions,
Here is what another "white" racialist wrote:
quote:Originally posted by Whitiepants:
What Assyriann is saying...is that where ever those Genes came from..(i don't care, sure as hell not a white people gene)
The E1b1b1a(M78)
30% OF GREEKS SHARE IT WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE FROM NORTH AFRICA ESP THOSE LIVING IN SOMALIA NOW..
It's so simple!..
I'm no Greek so i don't care that 30% of them share genes with African people.. The Point is that Pre Ancient Greeks where Somali lovers.. and that they will just underhandedly contaminate the white race even more!
Their phenotypes may seem homogeneous now... but they are all have that dark blood inside of them.. even in ancient times..
quote: Obama is most likely a Somalid since his father is Luo Btw, Somalids doesn't equall modern somalis, although modern Somalis are Somalids.
How would that be possible? Considering that the man is a Nilotic.
The Luo/shilluck, Dinka and Nuer have NO close relations with 'Somalids', rather they are more closely related to each other.
The Anuak, Shilluck/Luo and many others are virtually the same people and congnated from Bahr el Ghazal, the Dinka heartland.
Yonis, are Dinkas 'Somalids'? Or is that label solely reserved for their cousins-the Luo?
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Not really, as long as the term "bantu" or "bantid" was not occupied by another group.
Please elaborate on "bantu or "bantid" was not occupied by another group".
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quote: Obama is most likely a Somalid since his father is Luo Btw, Somalids doesn't equall modern somalis, although modern Somalis are Somalids.
How would that be possible? Considering that the man is a Nilotic.
The Luo/shilluck, Dinka and Nuer have NO close relations with 'Somalids', rather they are more closely related to each other.
The Anuak, Shilluck/Luo and many others are virtually the same people and congnated from Bahr el Ghazal, the Dinka heartland.
Yonis, are Dinkas 'Somalids'? Or is that label solely reserved for their cousins-the Luo?
Some Dinkas might be, Luos have lived in East africa longer than Bantus, many Kenyan nilotes have interacted with southern afrasians groups such as Boran and other Oromo for centuries, but Shiluk, Dinka and Anuak are deep inside southern Sudan, thus less likely they have been in contact with indigenous NE Africans, while Luo have been just next door.I sense Obama is a Somalid. East African nilo-saharans and afrasians have a long hiistory together compared to other groups.
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Not really, as long as the term "bantu" or "bantid" was not occupied by another group.
Please elaborate on "bantu or "bantid" was not occupied by another group".
The term is occupied by a group who recently arrived to East Africa (less than 3kya) They are a different entity.
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