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I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
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Africa is a continent, Egypt is in Africa. This makes Egypt an African country. Didn't you intend to say something else.
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quote:Originally posted by StTigray: I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
If someone were to show you something which they see as "proof" of what you ask, would you be able to counter them? Or are you just creating threads to have the forum members repeat the same things over and over?
p.s. and invite trolls...
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If the Ancient Egyptians were black then why did they describe blacks as Troglodytes?
Here are some factual examples:
Nubian slaves.
First you Afroheads says these are wrestlers and then second you say they're captives. Can you stupid blacks make up your mind!?
A sandstone stela found in the sanctuary of Wadi Halfa contains an account of the Nubian expedition of Pharaoh Sesostris I, which carried this king's wars to their southernmost limits. At the top of this stela there is a relief showing Sesostris I standing facing the Lord of Thebes, who says:
"I have brought for thee all countries which are in Nubia, beneath thy feet." The god then gives to the king a line of bound captives, symbolizing Nubian towns. The inscription of Prince Amenim, which is carved into the stone in the doorway of his cliff-tomb in Benihasin, describes the Black lands as "vile." It reads as follows ("Kush" was one of the Black lands) :
"I passed Kush sailing southward, ... then his majesty returned in safety having overthrown his enemies in Kush the vile."
The inscription on the stela of Sihathor, an "Assistant Treasurer" is now to be found in the British Museum., reads as follows:
"I reached Nubia of the Blacks, ... I forced the Nubian chiefs to wash gold."
The Tombos Stela of Thutmose I reads:
"He hath overthrown the chief of the Nubians; the Black is helpless, defenseless, in his grasp. He hath united the boundaries of his two sides, there is not a remnant among the curly-haired, who came to attack; there is not a single survivor among them...They fall by the sword...the fragments cut from them are too much for the birds."
In the annals of the great warrior king, Thutmose III, at the sixth Karnak pylon, there is a list that contains no less than 115 of the names of the towns and districts of the conquered Nubian regions.
Another pylon at Karnak contains possibly four hundred towns, districts, and countries conquered in Nubia. Inscribed on a black granite tablet Karnak is the famous "Hymn of Victory" which reads as follows:
"I have bound together the Nubian Troglodytes by the tens of thousands. The northerners by hundreds of thousands as prisoners."
Another remarkable inscription is to be found on the Semmeh Stela of Amenhotep III, now to be found in the British Museum in London. It reads as follows: "List of the captivity which his majesty took in the land of Ibbet the wretched." List of Prisoners and Killed Living Blacks 150 heads Archers 110 heads Female Blacks 250 heads Servants of the Blacks 55 heads Their children 175 heads Total 740 heads Hands thereof 312 United with the living heads 1,052 "
Blacks didn't built Ancient Egypt. Case Closed. Next!
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Now get your azz outta here... be smart I know it's hard but why not save your computer memory for your inter-net-porn??.. Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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quote:Originally posted by PrideandJust: If the Ancient Egyptians were black then why did they describe blacks as Troglodytes?
LOL, this Dumbass is the poster that goes by the Moniker "BlackWomanLover" on Topix.
Hey Dummy this pretty much debunks your argument.
Among the foreigners, the Nubians were closest ethnically to the Egyptians. In the late predynastic period (c. 3700–3150 B.C.E.), the Nubians shared the same culture as the Egyptians and even evolved the same pharaonic political structure. The Libyans were also closely related to the Egyptians, living in the oases west of Egypt; ethnically the Libyans were Berbers. In the historic periods, both Nubians and Libyans readily moved into Egypt and were integrated into the Egyptian populace.
Your Argument is offically destroyed:
When members of the royal family were descended from such foreign populations or from border areas, pharaonic sculpture and reliefs clearly display their ethnic features. For example, the XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region.4 As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Neh\sy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract.5 Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies.
Pick yourself up boy!!
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quote:Originally posted by PrideandJust: If the Ancient Egyptians were black then why did they describe blacks as Troglodytes?
Using your logic, why did the Ancient Greeks describe the Ancient Germans and Celts as "Barbarians"? If they were all supposedly White?
Why did the Ancient Romans describe the Vikings as "savages"? Since they were all Europeans.
Why did the Athenians enslave thousands of people from the CAUCUS mountains areas of Ancient Thrace if they all had the same skin color?
Don't try to inject your 19th century racist ideology into how Ancient tribes interacted with each other, as it was NOT based on skin color, you idiot.
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Sweet comeback! Like the whites on the west (visigoths, goths) did not have a civilization. They were considered animals by roman testimony: they wore little clothing, slept outside, and were smelly. The Romans also fought the Barbaric Germanic tribes to the North.
I guess using PrideandJust logic, the Romans weren't white nor the Greeks. LMFAO!
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quote:"He hath overthrown the chief of the Nubians; the Black is helpless, defenseless, in his grasp. He hath united the boundaries of his two sides, there is not a remnant among the curly-haired, who came to attack; there is not a single survivor among them...They fall by the sword...the fragments cut from them are too much for the birds."
Also, this translation is BS... the Ta Seti peoples, nor other Africans were EVER described as the blacks... this term was reserved for the Egyptians themselves. Also, of note, that Black was the colour of divinity, would never be used in derogatory manner in Kemetic texts...
Sheesh, the psychological desperation of these cultures thieves is disgusting...
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An interesting psychological observation. StTigray asked for proof that Egypt was not African yet the idiot troll delved right in trying to prove Egypt was not black.
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quote:An interesting psychological observation. StTigray asked for proof that Egypt was not African yet the idiot troll delved right in trying to prove Egypt was not black.
Because he is a troll damn it!!Posts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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Ancient Egypt was founded by North African Caucasoids.
So in other words he agrees Egypt was African..LMAO. Stupid is as Stupid does Pride and Just.
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quote: Originally posted by StTigray: I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
Your unsatisfiable appitite for proof of a white ancient Egypt will leave your progress stagnant and static. No evidence will satisfy you, because the evidence that suggests a ''white'' Egypt is out there, just like the evidence that suggests a ''black'' egypt is out there. The evidence that suggests a white Egypt is only credible to those who do not know of, or choose to ignore African variability and already living east Africans. What you're basically asking is, show me evidence, be it skeletal or artistic, of where ancient Egyptians look like elongated Africans and not like broad trend featuring Africans. Or, show me evidence that suggest something that I can impose on the underlying implication, or a variation of it, that the ancients weren't allowed to have foreigners in situ that could've resulted in occasional admixture, in the same way African Americans can without losing their ''Africanness''. The only evidence eurocentrics have to offer will answer to these two issues first, before they'll answer to the mounting research. Until you get this, no amount of pictures or evidence will satisfy your hunger for the evidence you hope they don't have. I know this, because a couple years ago I was where you are, think about this for a few seconds. The evidence you need is already scattered throughout the net, including here on Egyptsearch. What makes you think a bunch of more evidence could do to change that, considering you've already seen most of it and it still wasn't enough to make you stop creating these rehashed topics?
quote:Originally posted by PrideandJust: If the Ancient Egyptians were black then why did they describe blacks as Troglodytes?
Here are some factual examples:
Nubian slaves.
First you Afroheads says these are wrestlers and then second you say they're captives. Can you stupid blacks make up your mind!?
A sandstone stela found in the sanctuary of Wadi Halfa contains an account of the Nubian expedition of Pharaoh Sesostris I, which carried this king's wars to their southernmost limits. At the top of this stela there is a relief showing Sesostris I standing facing the Lord of Thebes, who says:
"I have brought for thee all countries which are in Nubia, beneath thy feet." The god then gives to the king a line of bound captives, symbolizing Nubian towns. The inscription of Prince Amenim, which is carved into the stone in the doorway of his cliff-tomb in Benihasin, describes the Black lands as "vile." It reads as follows ("Kush" was one of the Black lands) :
"I passed Kush sailing southward, ... then his majesty returned in safety having overthrown his enemies in Kush the vile."
The inscription on the stela of Sihathor, an "Assistant Treasurer" is now to be found in the British Museum., reads as follows:
"I reached Nubia of the Blacks, ... I forced the Nubian chiefs to wash gold."
The Tombos Stela of Thutmose I reads:
"He hath overthrown the chief of the Nubians; the Black is helpless, defenseless, in his grasp. He hath united the boundaries of his two sides, there is not a remnant among the curly-haired, who came to attack; there is not a single survivor among them...They fall by the sword...the fragments cut from them are too much for the birds."
In the annals of the great warrior king, Thutmose III, at the sixth Karnak pylon, there is a list that contains no less than 115 of the names of the towns and districts of the conquered Nubian regions.
Another pylon at Karnak contains possibly four hundred towns, districts, and countries conquered in Nubia. Inscribed on a black granite tablet Karnak is the famous "Hymn of Victory" which reads as follows:
"I have bound together the Nubian Troglodytes by the tens of thousands. The northerners by hundreds of thousands as prisoners."
Another remarkable inscription is to be found on the Semmeh Stela of Amenhotep III, now to be found in the British Museum in London. It reads as follows: "List of the captivity which his majesty took in the land of Ibbet the wretched." List of Prisoners and Killed Living Blacks 150 heads Archers 110 heads Female Blacks 250 heads Servants of the Blacks 55 heads Their children 175 heads Total 740 heads Hands thereof 312 United with the living heads 1,052 "
Blacks didn't built Ancient Egypt. Case Closed. Next!
I love this type of Sophmoric response it is not even worth countering. For all the Eurocentrics, WHere is the evidence, you guys have to do better than this.
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quote: Originally posted by StTigray: I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
Your unsatisfiable appitite for proof of a white ancient Egypt will leave your progress stagnant and static. No evidence will satisfy you, because the evidence that suggests a ''white'' Egypt is out there, just like the evidence that suggests a ''black'' egypt is out there. The evidence that suggests a white Egypt is only credible to those who do not know of, or choose to ignore African variability and already living east Africans. What you're basically asking is, show me evidence, be it skeletal or artistic, of where ancient Egyptians look like elongated Africans and not like broad trend featuring Africans. Or, show me evidence that suggest something that I can impose on the underlying implication, or a variation of it, that the ancients weren't allowed to have foreigners in situ that could've resulted in occasional admixture, in the same way African Americans can without losing their ''Africanness''. The only evidence eurocentrics have to offer will answer to these two issues first, before they'll answer to the mounting research. Until you get this, no amount of pictures or evidence will satisfy your hunger for the evidence you hope they don't have. I know this, because a couple years ago I was where you are, think about this for a few seconds. The evidence you need is already scattered throughout the net, including here on Egyptsearch. What makes you think a bunch of more evidence could do to change that, considering you've already seen most of it and it still wasn't enough to make you stop creating these rehashed topics?
Kalonji
Point taken
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quote: Or, show me evidence that suggest something that I can impose on the underlying implication, or a variation of it, that the ancients weren't allowed to have foreigners in situ that could've resulted in occasional admixture, in the same way African Americans can without losing their ''Africanness''.
Define 'admixture'.
What ethnic groups have the highest 'admixture'.
Don't run from the questions asked of you. That would be very unscholarly and would declare you as someone who is on the lower end of the intellectual spectrum who cannot think, therefore has to run when queried.
quote:Originally posted by PrideandJust: Ancient Egypt was founded by North African Caucasoids.
North African Caucasoids is a term that also included Ethiopians. Since that is true I cannot argue with the term but it is misleading.
This is a North American Black Caucasoid:
WRong again Osirion - this is a black man with some probable "European" ancestry. One can only tell this from his coloring though, besides the fact that he's lost his hair so soon. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by StTigray: I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
Hi Tigray - I think this is actually a good question. So as you can see there is really no proof that ancient Egypt was an African Civilization. I'm still waiting for some myself. Since we're supposed to be the nuts.
PS - don't mind the people on this site. Their just not used to people taking what they say seriously so some are a bit defensive probably thinking in posing your question you were trying to be cynical. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by StTigray: I would love to see actual proof that Ancient Egypt was not an African Civilization.
Hi Tigray - I think this is actually a good question. So as you can see there is really no proof that ancient Egypt was an African Civilization. I'm still waiting for some myself. Since we're supposed to be the nuts.
PS - don't mind the people on this site. Their just not used to people taking what they say seriously so some are a bit defensive probably thinking in posing your question you were trying to be cynical. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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